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Post Post #1200  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:07 pm

Invis who is scum other than mari?

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Post Post #1201  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:14 pm

While reviewing claims and skimming invis's ISO, something occurred to me - he never ended up on the eod skitter or baezu wagons. He claimed vt BUT the problem there is that if they were all neighbors to BEGIN with, shouldn't they all be claiming town neighbor ________?? Looking at the mod's post of "deceased players," we see that volx was town neighbor 2-shot redirector.

invis simply claimed vt. That is incredibly fishy & doesn't add up. I hypothesize he's possibly a mafia neighbor, and that he didn't think through the fake claim and just claimed vt instead.

Still have 10 days left but intent to vote invis (upon votecount, since we're in unison to not end the day yet).

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Post Post #1202  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:16 pm

Hold on. Maria is clear. If Baezu had performed the kill, roster would have died because of the redirect. So, Baezu's partner had to do it. And, Maria was jailkept that night.

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Post Post #1203  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:27 pm

tris were you 3 neighbors from the very start?
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skitter30, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 1
ofrhz, Vanilla Townie, killed Night 1
Baezu, 1-shot Mafia Role Cop, lynched Day 2

volxen, Neighbor & 2-shot Redirector, killed n2. redirected bae to roster on n1, redirected roster to ym on n2
tris said on d3 she's neighbors with invis & volx
insom jk on mari n1, then on roster n2
mari doc protection on ofrhz n1, then on tris n2

vt - ym, enig, invis (fake claim), ved, elb

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Post Post #1204  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:34 pm

i don't see mari nearly as cleared as roster.

there is a world I can see where bae would rolecop on n1 since she was only 1 shot, so volx redirecting bae to roster meant the 2 remaining scum team members found out roster's role on n1. then if a scum mari existed, she would kill ofrhz AND if she's scum strongman, nothing in the claims so far would prevent that because a strongman cannot be stopped. so it's rather convenient for mari to claim doc in this case...it's also a popular fake claim role for scum, along with bodyguard/etcetera.

mari was not highly suspected on d1, so I could imagine in this world of bae+mari remaining, that bae would rolecop while mari performed the kill because she wasn't highly suspected (was insom the only person who suspected her that much??) so she thought she could get away with all this as scum strongman.

it's interesting that invis voted mari, mari claimed and later went to vote elb, elb voted invis...but if mari were actual town doc I would've expected her to say invis is scummy/suspicious based on the events that occurred. Hm....

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Post Post #1205  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:44 pm

Yeah, we were all neighbors at the start.

I guess Maria could be scum if she's a strongman. That's something to think about if Maria isn't killed.

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Post Post #1206  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:50 pm

This is where I'm at in terms of the setup speculation. I'm not as great as Jingle at this but this is what I've got so far below:


Setup A
mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, neighbor
vs
town doc, jk, 2 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

Setup B
mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman
vs
town doc, jk, 3 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

If this world exists, then there will be some chaotic wifom happening if we mislynch.

Setup C
mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman neighbor
vs
town doc, jk, 2 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

This is a possible world, considering the mod created a hybrid role of the neighbor having redirect ability (more than 1 ability). So a hybrid scum is possible too.

Setup D
mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman
vs
jk, 3 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

This is a world where mari fake claimed doc so there is no doc, and invis messed up his claim of vt but is actually town neighbor .
pedit: tris confirmed volx+invis+tris were neighbors from the start

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Post Post #1207  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:03 pm

More thoughts:

In post 1206, Yes Mafia wrote:Setup C
mafia goon, 1-shot rolecop, strongman neighbor
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town doc, jk, 2 town neighbors with 1 of them also being redirector

This is a possible world, considering the mod created a hybrid role of the neighbor having redirect ability (more than 1 ability). So a hybrid scum is possible too.

Considering if mari & insom are town along with tris's statement - then we could be looking at a mafia strongman neighbor . I've never heard of such a wacky thing....then again, this is a theme game and I myself have hosted a game where there was ascetic tracker, and this role isn't even as bizarre as other more bizarre roles I've seen before..

I DO like that mari voted elb for doubting that there was a doc & jk in the setup , even though I wish she would've addressed the ved & invis votes on her. This also makes sense with the talk of invis being in the hood and so he murdered volx on n2.

I'm waiting for the mod vc now.

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Post Post #1208  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:04 pm

The possibility of strongman really does complicate things.

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Post Post #1209  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:06 pm

In post 1208, tris wrote:The possibility of strongman really does complicate things.

Yes.

I've arrived at the conclusion that it's got to be invis. mari is my next best guess if it's wrong but that's more for another day.

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Post Post #1210  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:10 pm

Tris I'd like to know who you think is town and who is scum, and why.

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Post Post #1211  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:16 pm

Vote Count 3.3

Invisibility (3) - rosterfoster, Elbirn, insomnia
MariaR (2) - Invisibility, Vedith
Elbirn (1) - MariaR

Not Voting (3) - tris, Enigma, Yes Mafia

As there are 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

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Post Post #1212  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:00 pm

Elbirn has felt pretty town to me for a while. At this point, this is my stongest non-mechanically based town-read.
GuiltyLion seemed like town to me. I liked how he was interacting with the game. And Vedith has done nothing to lose that. His voting for Baezu does not look like a bus to me.
insomnia's claim is backed up by Maria's failure to protect on night 1. Although, I guess he could be scum roleblocker. Still, the way he reacted to things on day 1 seemed like town to me.
Maria I want to see if Mafia doesn't kill her before I consider.
For reasons I mentioned before, I think Invisibility is the scum. I think I agree with whoever said that mafia probably doesn't bus Baezu there.

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Post Post #1213  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:25 pm

Do strongmen ignore Jailkeepers? I thought they just ignored BP and protective roles

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Post Post #1214  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:27 pm

According to the wiki

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Post Post #1215  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:28 pm

A Mafia or Serial Killer aligned Strongman is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Strongman cannot be stopped from performing a kill, unless their target has commuted. A Bodyguard would essentially be stopped from protecting against a kill and would not die.

Seems like ignores everything, including redirect.

Still it would be extraordinarily lucky for me to use strongman on the night I was redirected, or for Maria to use it N1.

So I’d say me and Maria should be treated as pretty clear.

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Post Post #1216  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:29 pm

I think everyone else is claimed VT so I’d just lynch Vizzy.

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Post Post #1217  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:07 pm

In post 1215, rosterfoster wrote:Still it would be extraordinarily lucky for me to use strongman on the night I was redirected, or for Maria to use it N1.

So I’d say me and Maria should be treated as pretty clear.


Disagree. If your scumteam has a strongman why not have them do the kill every night? Theres no luck about that.

Given a JK, a doctor, and a 2-shot redirector, I think there has to be some sort of way for the scum team to counter play that and strongman counters all 3.

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Post Post #1218  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:08 pm

To be clear: I think Maria is lying and she can eat rope after vizzy

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Post Post #1219  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:12 pm

In post 1218, Elbirn wrote:To be clear: I think Maria is lying and she can eat rope after vizzy


Agreed.
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Post Post #1220  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:14 pm

im town
also
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Post Post #1221  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:14 pm

i dont have a night action thats probably where i got confused
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Post Post #1222  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:17 pm

I was under the impression that strongmen tended to be limited shot though?

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Post Post #1223  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:17 pm

If you think it's full strongman then fair enough.

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Post Post #1224  (ISO)  » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:19 pm

actually though is it really that farfetched that i confused being a neighbor with no night action and a vt?
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