911: What's Your Emergency? (Postgame)

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actually sorry, on second thought

VOTE: Baezu

tris your vote is still bad though

VOTE: Baezu[l/vote]

The Lion is onto something.

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VOTE: Baezu

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several people had already posted, you didn't engage with any of them or any of the page 1 content, instead voting somebody who hadn't gotten to the thread yet with an explanation that pinged me as awkward

Ya. I thought the same when I read it so I was happy when you had the same reasons

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It was the same reason, so why not acknowledge that?

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Well I thought it was fairly obvious I had the same reason.

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Insomnia am I saying that Baezu is remotely +ve scum? No of course not.

It's literally a gut read which happens to be for the same reason as GL's.

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So you think town just chooses somebody randomly? I like to have a real reason for my RVS vote, however slight.

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RVS = random voting stage ???

Ummm yeah? This is why I don’t scum hunt in RVS. This is why I vote people who stack up in rvs, especially without stating a reason for it

So what would happen in your world where everyone rolls a dice to start with?

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That doesn't answer my question?

IMO the only way content can be made is through making wagons and counterwagons and pressure, to generate discussion.

Like it's done here.

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VOTE: Insomnia

Oh look I'm sheeping!

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Did that look mad?

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UNVOTE:

This is a bad wagon because Insomnia’s not going to be here.

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It was L-2 I think. Normally I would be ok with it but the pressure isn't going to do anything.

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I have a family emergency and I won’t be able to post as much as I have for the next few days. I’ll just say please don’t wagon me to death carelessly, or cap my wagon at L-2 at least. I’ll try to give as much input as possible..although I doubt i’ll be able to

There's literally no point in wagoning Insomnia, and tbh I also don't want to cause him more stress at this moment.

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I don’t like walls.

Really sticking your neck out there aren’t you YM?

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VOTE: Yes

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Really sticking your neck out there aren’t you YM?

What did you mean by this?

VOTE: Yes

And what prompted this vote, aside from what you were replying to?

Says llikely one scum from random group of 4 players where > 1/4 of players are scum (taking him as town means exactly 1/3 are scum fhpov).

That is fluffy fluff.

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I meant to say about, and I meant to say 1/4.

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Ok yeah tris is prob scum. Yes mafia feels like the easy wagon for scum to push for a ml

Like what's actually wrong with jumping on a wagon?

I felt that was townie.

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Skitter I know it's how you post but just sorry in advance that I will not process your walls. I would find it much easier to read the same content in 10 consecutive posts, like I do. But don't change for me <3.

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It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.

Eh. I kind of wished that early wagon on you had stayed, but whatever. Imma just pretend the whole family emergency business didn't happen.

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VOTE: Insomnia

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I’m a chicken.

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It’s town’s job to get rid of scum. Telling apart scummy town from scum is the most important job.

I want to revive your original wagon which should never have disappeared.

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Logic : Get rid of one of the most active players, easily readable, can point out to scum buddies (Fuck yeah)

Get rid of one of the, if not THE one who has the lowest activity, has a lynch pool of 6 people, has 5 posts, votes for a no lynch then hops on suspicious people without giving content (Fuck no fam what are you, crazy?)

Hey I can read this as scum!

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Do you think scum-somnia would be so transparent about wanting to force role claims?

But he's kind of trying to do it on the sly? Also recently fake-hammers have sounded townie, but he's doing a fake intent, which to me feels scum

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@ roster i think that these two lines from insomnia probably dont' come from scum tbh
they're too 'i'm going to push what i think is right and i don't give a flyign fuck about the consequences'-y to be scummy imo

I always had this idea that scum are quite likely to say 'This should be lynched whethers it's town or scum, becuase they are bad.' That's where it comes from.

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b) insomnia's like .... really really townie and his push on ym is entirely consistent with how he views mafia and mislynches and lynchbait in a general sense

What made him really townie? Because I'm only seeing shade on people attacking him.

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Having said all that, it is slightly concerning how easy it was for the insomnia wagon to form.

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I really don’t like this post from roster- he’s been tunneling insomnia the whole game if you look at his iso, it’s scummy

Sorry but that family emergency business screwed up the wagon on Insomnia which would have got good reads. I am not comfortable voting someone who has RL issues D1.

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Btw Skitter I do not ever recall having seen this type of convo with Insomnia before (Insomnia/Alts if you can point me to a time town you said the same I'll think), so I think it's beyond a disagreement over theory.

Btw one of the people who was really pushing the theory discussion (so Insomnia/Enigma/Elbirn) is scum. Scum wants that sort of thing to clutter the thread.

So I want to lynch in those three today. I've been kind of town-reading Elbirn so Insomnia or Engima.

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Also Skitter thanks for breaking up your posts. It brings warmth to my heart <3

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Btw one of the people who was really pushing the theory discussion (so Insomnia/Enigma/Elbirn) is scum. Scum wants that sort of thing to clutter the thread.

this is bad
no more tr for you

also yeah

Shucks.

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So, you think insomnia is faking this stance? I've gotten the sense that it's genuine. But, do you have meta contradicting that? If there is a scum attempting to clog the thread with theory discussion, I would think it would be Enigma.

I have this feeling that this stance is always genuine, but scum are more likely to

say

it than town.

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Do you think scum-somnia would be so transparent about wanting to force role claims?

But he's kind of trying to do it on the sly? Also recently fake-hammers have sounded townie, but he's doing a fake intent, which to me feels scum

???? how is he doing it on the sly? he literally demanded that someone claim within the next 24 horus because he wanted to hammer them; that's like brazen/blunt/upfront/idk the right word but like the exact opposite of sly

like where do you see 'on the sly' from; that's so completely different from how i read his tone that i'm just ??? confused where you got this read from

I mean trying to do innocently by intenting rather than just looking for a claim. IDK probably wrong word.

b) insomnia's like .... really really townie and his push on ym is entirely consistent with how he views mafia and mislynches and lynchbait in a general sense

What made him really townie? Because I'm only seeing shade on people attacking him.

his posts just ... have a ridiculously townie tone - push and transparent and 'i don't give a fuck about how i'm viewed for pushing this' - and everything he's doing tracks with the mafia philosphy he's espousing; his actions follow his thoughts; what he's doing makes sense as a holistic, real thought process.

show me an example of 'throwing shade on people attacking him?'

461 was the most recent example.

Btw Skitter I do not ever recall having seen this type of convo with Insomnia before (Insomnia/Alts if you can point me to a time town you said the same I'll think), so I think it's beyond a disagreement over theory.

Btw one of the people who was really pushing the theory discussion (so Insomnia/Enigma/Elbirn) is scum. Scum wants that sort of thing to clutter the thread.

So I want to lynch in those three today. I've been kind of town-reading Elbirn so Insomnia or Engima.

a) have you played in many games with insomnia before
b) bolded: no
c) why are yo townreading elbirn?
d) enigma and insomina have been on opposing sides of an argument so ending with 'i want to lynch one of those two' is meh; it feels kidna like you're leaving yourself room to vote enigma if that picks up steam

Also Skitter thanks for breaking up your posts. It brings warmth to my heart <3

a - kind of, ongoing stuff and also his alts make it confusing.
c - the anger was real
d - yeah I mean I am. If there was a reason for that picking up steam, it might convince me.

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Skitter has been saying a lot of stuff I agree with. She might be town.

I think I say this stuff as scum. Need to see if Tris says this as town.

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I'm also getting bad feels from how vigorously Skitter is defending Insomnia. Possible pocketing of Insomnia actually.

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Yeah let's do this.

VOTE: Skitter

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Oh tris I was shading you there not skitter .

VOTE: Tris

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That was me saying the YM wagon is good because townies are on it. How do you take it as throwing shade on the people attacking me???

Oh I didn’t read that properly.

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VOTE: Skiier

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K, reading more I can see a Baezu - MariaR scum team

which makes me feel more comfortable about my town read on tris

and the one on GL

and the one on Enigma

Why are you pushing a scumteam when we don't even know one flip? Makes me feel this for scum again. Ughh.

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But skitter is also scum, so I'll just keep my vote where it is.

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I already gave cases on both SKitter and Tris.

I just don't like it when people look for associations before the flip. But I've seen town do it so whatever.

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Skitter has been saying a lot of stuff I agree with. She might be town.

I think I say this stuff as scum. Need to see if Tris says this as town.

I'm also getting bad feels from how vigorously Skitter is defending Insomnia. Possible pocketing of Insomnia actually.

I don’t do big posts.

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Skitter has been saying a lot of stuff I agree with. She might be town.

I think I say this stuff as scum.

You're probably right.

Pedit: Oh, interesting

Oh yeah there was also this. I think scum wants to see what Tris saw.

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Notice how I was voting Skitter first.

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i think gl is town

This is a mark against GL IMO. I think Skitter usually provides reasons.

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Spoiler:

he's thinking a lot of the things i'm thinking as i was reading through the thread (specifically posts like 40, 44, the bit about tris in 142

i like that he's reaching out to other people and how he was trying to push the game out of rvs (as evidenced by his push on beazu for a lack of early-game contributions)

a lot of the things he's saying has the underlying current of trying to progress the game and to get people to articulate reads and to start forming towncores and it just feels to me like he's trying to get the game into a ~cohesive / game-solving-conducive~ gamestate

the way he's thinking about things is also like very nuanced/comprehensive/idk the right word but like his whole thought process seems very organic and like the things he's saying seem like real thoughts, and not ones he's making up. for the most part i understand why he's thinking things and where his trajectory is coming from and it doesn't feel fake to me

like his whole tone is kinda like 'no-nonsesne-y i'm here to solve this game' and it feels townie to me, especially since he's being kinda aggressive at pressuring people he's suspicious of. like it's not just the tone; his actions match the tone too

i don't agree with all of his pushes (like, say, the bit where he was pushing mariar for not townreading tris even though her townreads were townreading her; that's a silly reason to expect someone to townread someone at this stage) but i think he's def approachign this with a townie/solve-y mindset

i also think that his townread on roster is a little strong for what roster actually did; i kinda think that he felt validated that someone agreed with his stance on beazu, and so he then kinda gave roster a townread for like mindmelding with him there or whatever. i actually think that the way roster agreed with gl was kinda pocket-y / buddying-y (specifically 46)

And I also feel like Skitter wouldn't give this much reasons to someone who wasn't a partner, when they weren't forthcoming immediately.

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It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.

I’ll wait 24 hrs for a claim from Ym and then I’m voting.

VOTE: Insomnia

@ roster i think that these two lines from insomnia probably dont' come from scum tbh
they're too 'i'm going to push what i think is right and i don't give a flyign fuck about the consequences'-y to be scummy imo

I'm not sure Skitter tries so hard to diffuse an early wagon on her buddy which is probably going to dissipate naturally.

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Skitter has been saying a lot of stuff I agree with. She might be town.

Skitter has been saying a lot of stuff I agree with. She might be town.

I think I say this stuff as scum.

You're probably right.

Pedit: Oh, interesting

You know what. VOTE: skitter

I completely read that wrong. I somehow read that as "I think skitter says this stuff as scum." As in skitter is capable of saying that as scum. Which I think is true.

no offense, but this progression on me is atrocious

I don't think this can be bussing.

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i don't think this is gaining traction like at all today but i still think this is scum so
VOTE: tris

This is giving me paranoia as a last distancing push, but I see the anti-associatives more from Tris' side so maybe it's a genuine push attempt from Skitter seeing as I had voted Tris before so that wagon might have gotten some traction.

Other things I noticed:

-Skitter barely interacted with GL directly. There were two posts and these were all solely about GL and felt completely different in tone to the others (537 and 342)
-Skitter never interacted with Volxen as far as I can see beyond 17 which was very much a hedging position. So I want to investigate from this perspective also.

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Someone will need to tell me why they scumread Baezu.

I could say GL being on Skitter wagon and Volxen off it actually.

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Why do you have your vote on Tris rather than Baezu? Tris is a widely townread player and you are clearly in the minority with your scumread of her. It's very unlikely that you could push a successful wagon on her, and you must realize this is the case based on the current state of the game. Baezu, on the other hand, is not a widely townread player and is coming under scrutiny due to some questionable things that she has done. You are currently the leading wagon at L-1 (6) votes, and Baezu is the closest thing to a competing counter-wagon at L-4 (3 votes). So wouldn't it make more sense for you to be voting for Baezu rather than Tris, given that you scumread both slots? Because your vote for Tris is really a vanity wagon at this point.

"Oh Skitter please help me force through this myslynch so you don't get lynched'

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from skitter's angle, skitter interacts with baezu as if trying to scumhunt and asks questions - but never really follows up on it, nor scumreads baezu when there was plenty of questionable behaviour from baezu d1

Skitter did that with everyone no? (except GL and Volxen who she never properly interacted with). It's one of the things which contributed to her lynch.

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sorry yeah I see what you're saying, "scum incentive" is probably more clear than "scum!incentive", not sure why I did the latter tbh

anyway I feel I've been kinda dominating the past few pages so I'm out to play some Rocket League, catch you all later and hope to see some Elbirn votes on my return

I'm not sure the second paragraph comes from town GL. Too self conscious. I think I've only played with him when he was scum but I do vaguely remember something about being self-conscious.

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volxen I wanna think is town but his townreading me was almost a little too on the nose and I wanna see some scumreads. could maybe swap with skitter but skitter has been at least unwinding some other threads in addition to hardcore townreading/defending me as well

Also I feel like this may be an associative between GL and Volxen.

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I think it's GL/Volxen.

Volxen I am more sure about.

VOTE: Volxen

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Jungle Republic - I was scum
Access Point - that setup did not gel with me and didn’t facilitate scumhunting anyway.
Large normal - we lynched town every day. I did try a few times to explain my reads but I am way better with associatives than just reading off posts. This is why most of my D1 reads are utter crap but it does improve with flips.

That’s not to say I can’t have reads without casing or stating reasons but usually it’s because I don’t have much confidence in them.

See Unstable Mafia or Winter’s Sacrifice Mini normal for me actually making cases. I do do it.

Pedit: Volxen was trying to get Skitter to move onto Baezu to help him escape the rope. What was his point in this post?

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Also the Baezu wagon went way too fast and the scummiest way joining that was Volxen IMO.

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Baezu never got to more than 2 votes? Tris got to 2 votes too (me and Maria). I also don’t think he was universally scumread at all.

However I do see how that might be an associative between Skitter and Baezu if Volxen is town so you have convinced me that there is one scum in Baezu/Volxen. I think it’s Volxen but this should be resolved today.

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*she, I apologise.

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I already explained what I believe to be the motive (trying to direct Skitter to vote for a mislynch to save her).

I do ask this again - what do you believe was Volxen’s reason/point for making that post?

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Wrong. Skitter was a leading wagon and the closest wagon to her was Baezu. She scum read Baezu and has stated it, but she never ended up pushing for her scum read? She was her competing wagon, she scum read her, but she ended up starting a vanity wagon?

Why is that? What I got from it was that Baezu could be her scum bud because Skitter didn’t try to vote for her, especially with Baezu being an almost universal scum read, instead, she pushed for Tris who was widely town read and it was obvious she wasn’t going to get lynched by the end of the day.

What’s the motive behind it from your point of view?

This is kind of the answer Inv. I rebuffed it a little, and I think it may well mean Baezu is scum if Volxen is town.

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Sorry why wasn't the speed an issue? A quickhammer would not have been a good idea.

Also your're saying that there's 3 scum left?

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Oh nvm I derped ignore the last line.

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Volxen did not really until D2. And why is he a townread for you?

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But Volxen did not express a scumread on Baezu until after your post, no? I think you're pocketed.

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Oh nvm there was a mistake in a vote count.

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But he still only expressed Baezu scum D2.

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Look I really think you've somehow been pocketed by volxen (although IDK how he managed it because Charisma isn't his strongest suit). If you really want to go after me, do remember that when I flip.

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You know sometimes you should open your mind a bit?

You never really adressed my point about Tris being just as viable as Baezu from Skitter's perspective. Add to that the fact that (I think) his buddy was voting Baezu so could switch over to help him out.

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*her

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Because I'm talking to you at the moment. They should too.

Now please address my point. I think you're struggling to find an answer tbh, which is why you should open your mind a bit.

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In the world where team is Skitter/Volxen/GL:

No yesterday when Skitter was deciding who to counterwagon Tris makes more sense that Baezu because Volxen (and GL) could find a reason to hop on to try and save skitter.

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You're not.

Vizzy do you see my point about Tris being a better CW?

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Skitter and Baezu were both on 2 votes. Volxen was voting Baezu.

I think the easiest way for skitter to save herself was to vote for Tris and for her teammates to try and steet the game towards a Tris wagon. She was not universally townread as I recall (certainly I and Maria didn't). In a world where Volxen/GL are the buddies this makes sense, no? Trouble is they have been been a bit light on activity so I don't think they dared to try and push it too much.

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I’m not scumreading Insomnia. He’s been pocketed by Volxen.

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Neither of them were particularly strenuous about Tris town though I don’t think. I could see this being a move a desperate Skitter makes.

If Volxen is town then Baezu is scum though, of course.

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But I don’t think it necessarily holds both ways.

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Why not Volxen? I’m happy to go with GL but I want to know why/if you townread Volxen? And why the change in heart over Baezu?

Cos I feel a Volxen flip gives us info about Baezu.

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@MOD: Elbirn is voting GL

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Sneaked that in there so I feel stupid now

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-Only has 12 posts
-Skitter jumped to tris wagon to try to save herself, then Volxen almost seemed to be trying to direct Skitter to Baezu as he thought that would work.

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I'm sure there was something to do with mentioning/not mentioning but I can't remember.

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I haven't sorted YM. He's town be POE but I do make mistakes with my reads sometimes (shocking I know).

Volxen's posts have not been high quality though? Can you point me to where he has been game solving?

You keep saying Tris was universally toweread. She was not.

Perhaps scum don't have day talk?

Baezu's wagon was not scum-driven but it was jumped on by scum (Volxen). His flip won't change that.

A volxen town flip gives Baezu as scum for me, while a Baezu town flip does not give scum Volxen.

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You are so pocketed it's unreal and I don't even know how Volxen managed it.

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That’s a side argument. Main one has been done to death already and I’m not in the mood to keep going round in circles, since you are so tunnels-visioned.

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Vizzi don't you see remember how easily Insomnia was pocketed by Skitter earlier on? Same thing is happening now IMO.

Pedit: Oh my god I started the Skitter push.

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You are bending the facts to suit your narrative. You are so obviously town, but you are also so obviously wrong.

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I don't think I bus as scum very often.

See Fire and Ice and Jungle Republic.

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Sorry but I derped once, once a VC had a mistake, and the others are because you keep trying to straw man my argument and keep ignoring it when I show you that your points are wrong.

Like what even is this?

I did not back out of it.

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I saw a bad post from Tris and started pushing that. But there is no way that Skitter Lynch would have happened without me starting it.

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Should I have encyclopaedic knowledge of exactly what happened? Absolutely not. I am using my memory of what happened and sometimes that this slightly wrong. Does not change the main part.

And it does NOT take one accusation which is slightly wrong to make a case WRONG, it just makes it easier to be discredited incorrectly.

Anyway I'm going to step away from this because you're being so frustrating right now.

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Hey Vedith!

Insomnia perhaps an outsider might see our argument as TvT?

VOTE: Vedith

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A large part of your scumread on me was because I went off the Skitter wagon.

I started the Skitter wagon and hopped back on it pretty fast.

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My first vote Skitter was not voted.

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*was when.

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Insomnia that wasn't a mistake? Tris misunderstood it and I felt like it might be scum wishful thinking. Doesn't mean I didn't scumread Skitter.

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Because I can simultaneously scumread 2 players but not think they're both scum?

Skitter's later actions made her a better lynch, but I do believe that wagon would not have happened without me making it appear to be a legit option.

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As I remember nobody was throwing heat on Skitter till I did. If she was my scumbuddy I would have left it like that.

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He's locking me as scum because I'm defending you.

CAn you defend yourself pls ty.

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It’s not really inconsistent with the fact that I thought (and still do) that Volxen is a better lynch.

But if I’m getting wagoned then it’s probably better if I’m on a counterwagon rather than a vanity vote.

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Because it gives more information.

We have been round this a million times and we’re not going to agree, so I’d rather not get into it again.

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Oh I was answering the first line.

I would rather not get lynched because I’m town. I do believe GL/Vedith is scum so I’m willing to vote that since Volxen isn’t gaining traction.

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It wouldn’t mean anything to me.

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It’s just what I feel is the best course of action. People play illogically quite often.

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+buddy equity. But the WIFOM is strong.

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As I’ve said before, it’s possible that it’s not Volxen but Baezu. But Volxen town gives Baezu scum while I don’t think the converse is true.

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There is a third option...

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Everyone’s telling me I’m deluding myself, so they’re probably right.

Inb4 this flips town though.

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I know I’m the obvious lynch here, so I’m not going to object too much if that’s what you decide to do.

Insomnia is basically conf town at this point, I will look for Baezu associatives later.

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Baezu flipping town basically cleared Volxen tbh.

Tris you have any other useful result?

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I guess scum Vizzy doesn’t shoot YM so that doesn’t clear him. Volxen dying does raise the question of Bizzy scum actually since Insomnia is a slightly more obvious kill (but maybe they were worried about detectives).

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*protectives

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Me too.

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I should learn to not argue with you when I’m wrong.

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Oh yeah Vedith could be scum.

Although I’m wrong every time I read him so he’s probably town.

Pedit: Happy Birthday!

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VOTE: MariaR

Insomnia you are the hero this town needs, but not the one it deserves.

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VOTE: Vizzy

You know I think scum are much likelier to say ‘hmm’

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Tbf we do have 3 mislynches.

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Vedith can I have your serious opinion on last scum k thx

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Maria or Vizzy first then, then the other. Then Enigma/Vedith/Elbirn. Then Insomnia. Then me.

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Btw scum only know my role if they have daychat or Baezu crumbed it.

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Nah I don’t think that’s scum tbh.

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I mean it could be Vedith/Enigma/Elbirn.

So I’d rather a massclaim first to get all the info.

Pedit: As much as you’re way better at mafia, I do have my principles.

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I just don’t really see a 3man town hood as much as anything.

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I’d rather a massclaim first to get all the info.

Don’t worry I’ll vote with you eventually.

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Oh I forgot YM was a thing.

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Seems legit actually. Maria/Vizzy then Elbirn claim then.

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No he did not lol.

Odds are Vizzy is scum because 3-man town hood seems unlikely.

But if there was less town power than you would otherwise expect...

Hence massclaim.

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Yeah Insomnia you should have waited with that claim. Oh well.

See I would think Maria would make the kill N1 given most people suspected Baezu immediately in D2.

So that puts me towards Vizzy scum.

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Also we have reasonable town power now I think.

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Oh yeah I forgot about that.

I do want them both to claim though.

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Oh wow

Pedit: the cat is out the bag with the massclaim, we kind of need to do it now.

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Vizzy I don’t townread you more than Maria so I would say go for it.

Insomnia has earned the right to lead this town though, so I wouldn’t contradict her (aka no claim yet).

Performer I like that you’re posting

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I would have paranoia that he was no limited shot if scum tbh, so I can see scum shooting 2-shot.

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Elbirn.

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Or Vedith or Enigma

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Highly likely.

I also feel Vizzy is just the last scum.

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A Mafia or Serial Killer aligned Strongman is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Strongman cannot be stopped from performing a kill, unless their target has commuted. A Bodyguard would essentially be stopped from protecting against a kill and would not die.

Seems like ignores everything, including redirect.

Still it would be extraordinarily lucky for me to use strongman on the night I was redirected, or for Maria to use it N1.

So I’d say me and Maria should be treated as pretty clear.

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I think everyone else is claimed VT so I’d just lynch Vizzy.

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I was under the impression that strongmen tended to be limited shot though?

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If you think it's full strongman then fair enough.

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That's not why you're scum.

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-You weren't on Baezu Lynch (or Skitter. I think you're the only person alive who wasn't on either).
-Struggle to believe neighbourhood was all town
-Your 're-reads' have been a bit lackluster.

Like if you're scum you've not played badly at all, just we've done reasonably well this game.

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I mean it's pretty hopeless even if we're wrong about scum so I would try to do something unexpected tbh.

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I mean it's pretty hopeless even if we're wrong about scum so I would try to do something unexpected tbh.

That's not unexpected that's just provoking a vote from me.

...which is why it's unexpected?

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But it's clear you're pretty chilled? I know we have TvT'd a few times but my impression of you would not be an OMGUS type thing tbh.

Pedit: Yeah but mafia need to survive 3 mislynches.

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If Maria is scum then why would there be a strongman? I think Maria's a stronger mech clear than me tbh. So I don't see why anyone thinks she's scum.

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Who’s scum?

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I’m disappointed in myself with this. Oh well. Maybe I’ll actually catch Vedith scum tonight.

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Gg. Thanks for missing LG.

Tfw’s when you get 2 scum D1 and completely change your mind later

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So if the statement town!Volxen => scum!Baezu is true then that means the statement town!Baezu => scum!Volxen is ALSO true because they are contrapositives of one another, and are therefore, both saying the exact same thing.

This is not true btw. If I’m 100% sure that the associations are true then sure, but I’m not, so there’s conditional probabilities which are not necesarilly the same.