Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: 8ball

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: mbaki

x d

[OkaPoka]

why arent we rvsing lmao

[OkaPoka]

oh fuck you right

its ok tho

we literally have a creature, fish, and a cloud and they arent technically people so i can ask them right

[OkaPoka]

why arent we rvsing lmao

VOTE: OkaPoka

more like

oh my god okapoka you can't just ask someone why they're not rvsing

VOTE: okapoka

oh fuck you right

its ok tho

we literally have a

creature,

fish, and a cloud and they

arent technically people

so i can ask them right

VOTE: OkaPoka

amirite

[OkaPoka]

woah im late to the party
whats the whole 8-ball rush about
i think i get the theory
but stuff like that always gets me on high alert

8ball loses value as time goes on

but basically most of the time town gets a free lynch without a scum nk because its very unlikely to lynch 8ball d1

and the faster we 8ball, less content, so scum cant make an informed 8ball pick

[OkaPoka]

dont u think if mbaki wanted to share his reads he would have

[OkaPoka]

eww

[OkaPoka]

dont u think if mbaki wanted to share his reads he would have

Why was he your choice of vote then?

because i feel like voting him will maximize content

[OkaPoka]

cuz hes a megatryhard and so pulling him directly into the frontlines of the games will make him a megamegatryhard

[OkaPoka]

i cant answer that question dann

[OkaPoka]

dont worry dann

next time ill pick u to be my megatryhard baby

[OkaPoka]

alright rc

ill put you next in line

[OkaPoka]

we are 8 pgs in do you honestly expect people to have accurate reads 8 pgs in

[OkaPoka]

ok so if u are wrong on any of ur reads that means ur scum right mbaki

[OkaPoka]

Did shoshin and cloud ever confirm?

[OkaPoka]

Did shoshin and cloud ever confirm?

@mod

[OkaPoka]

Conf bias what is your experience with mafia? Both heads

[OkaPoka]

whats the point of 8ball spec

[OkaPoka]

nancefloor is a pretty clever name

VOTE: overkill

#technicallynotanakedvote!

[OkaPoka]

If you think this game is too slow/lacks substance then do something other than complain plz

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: shadowless cloud

[OkaPoka]

eww lynch list

eww im on that list

[OkaPoka]

mbaki man up and vote someone on your list

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: creature

i think this one here is right

[OkaPoka]

This pathetic activity and content pace is making it very hard for me to stick to this playstyle I'm attempting.

RC, I'm placing the burden on you friend. Make this less shitty. Push Oka for his bad Shadow vote, give a Creature read, do something please. Create content.

We have 5 days left and 14 pages of garbage.

I think it might be due to the fact that there was not really an RVS section thst got everyone loosened up. We went all in with the 8ball vote and it feels like it made the game motionless.

I'll throw my vote on Oka and maybe some more will follow so we can at least get something more tangible to work with.

VOTE: Oka

how does wagoning me by virtue of wagoning me get something tangible to work with?

dont u have to at least

do something with the wagon

since this game is open setup with 90% vt

you know

[OkaPoka]

is boonskies the other head

[OkaPoka]

creature where is ur signature spam post catchup

[OkaPoka]

is it me or is it strange that both heads of TD share a strong scumread on nancefloor

i mean

that has to be strange

[OkaPoka]

either
a) they scum
b) they see something i dont
c) coincidence

@time devil time to enlighten the class

[OkaPoka]

who is kittybells?

[OkaPoka]

chennis how sure r u that nancefloor is scum because u seem very sure

[OkaPoka]

okay rephrase

are you being confident to get people to sheep you

or you are you very sure that this flips scum to the point where you are willing to sabotage the future to get this lynched asap

[OkaPoka]

im not

[OkaPoka]

they have lots of talk but i dont see much substance but they speak of it in such a way that implies they have lots of substance behind it so i want to see what im missing

or maybe

they lie

[OkaPoka]

okay rephrase

are you being confident to get people to sheep you

or you are you very sure that this flips scum to the point where you are willing to sabotage the future to get this lynched asap

im v sure this flips scum.

why do you think nancefloor would 180 on my slot when its easier not to?

[OkaPoka]

how do i level up

[OkaPoka]

does lynching a town confbias raise town wr?

[OkaPoka]

yes

how so

theres no other content and nancefloor has been screaming scum?

can you enlighten me where its screaming scum cuz i cant see it

[OkaPoka]

this 1v1 is gross

bro

not every interaction is a 1v1

[OkaPoka]

so what you think chennis is trying to bait the lynch as the 8ball and spew dannflor town going down?

how did you arrive here

[OkaPoka]

wait

this game rc is talking about was scum flavor and town rc?

[OkaPoka]

mbaki what are you trying to do this game

[OkaPoka]

mbaki are you trying to get wagoned

[OkaPoka]

okay

i did not realize there was only 4 days left

brb

[OkaPoka]

pretty sure i voted creature

VOTE: shadowless cloud

if anything, we should lynch this over overkill

overkill has a low post meta so its kinda excusable i guess?
But this slot has no postings really, +there is the implication here

Is this game usually this slow?

that this person comes from a higher content site

Now I'm going to go out with a stretch, but I think that shadowless sees a bunch of low content players and thinks he can get away with going lowkey

[OkaPoka]

why am i eww?

[OkaPoka]

ugh

why is an oka lynch cool

[OkaPoka]

that's not a valid reason to vote me 4.5 days before deadline

[OkaPoka]

reason 1 is im ew?

i mean

you are literally trying to get people to vote me to what, l2?

which forces my lynch to be more inevitable ?

[OkaPoka]

reason 1 is im ew?

i mean

you are literally trying to get people to vote me to what, l2?

which forces my lynch to be more inevitable ?

no, what do you think R1 is?

you said its because im ew?

and for vanity wagons

as far as im aware, shadowless lynch fills the criteria of an overkill lynch for ank + reasons i listed to raise % of hitting scum

[OkaPoka]

and look

you vote shadowless

we have confbias who is voting me, who just indicated they tr one of my posts
we have creature who hasnt moved their vote since rvs and has fully admitted they arent reading
we have bef who is voting me to "get things done"

the foundation of my wagon is built on a pillar of lies and no conviction

[OkaPoka]

shadowlesscloud should pick up ank's vote because i fill what she wanted for a lynch + overkill has reasonable doubt due to meta

thats two

time devil is ok with this so thats three

suddenly if you vote with me

we will have more than me

[OkaPoka]

chemist

where did you go

[OkaPoka]

low activity from someone that higher activity is expected from a quick glance at profile +

Is this game usually this slow?

few posts that are made are not related to sorting or doing anything. more just general questions about game state

as for why thats scum

because we have a lot of slots that arent doing much, it would provide him reasonable cover with "what about him" if he is ever pushed for lack of posting because well, there are slots with equal - less content than him

[OkaPoka]

cant one party rep out?

[OkaPoka]

time to vote shadowless with me dann?

[OkaPoka]

Overkill hasn't broken out of their standard of content whilst shadowless appears to have. I think there is higher scum equity with shadow than overkill

[OkaPoka]

So chemist are you just going to not play until shadow plays?

[OkaPoka]

Normally, I'd be more open to not lynch a low content slot.

However, a lot of these powers generate content and there are quite a few low content slots

so lets all agree to pew pew the low content slots

i think the greatest scum equity is in shadowless of these low content slots

[OkaPoka]

wutface

[OkaPoka]

isnt lynching tmck/shoshin slot just lynching at variance

[OkaPoka]

does she have a meta have repping out as scum?

or do you not have any scumreads?

or is it a bit of column a and a bit of column b

[OkaPoka]

tmck say something when you finish catching up k thx

[OkaPoka]

if you vote shadowless ill love you tmck

[OkaPoka]

<3

chen its time to be a man of your word

[OkaPoka]

chennis if you are a true man of your word you would be voting shadow rn

[OkaPoka]

because he is lurking when he shouldnt be a lurk player

his few posts do not advance game at all, setup spec != playing game

and i suspect its because he feels like he can get away with it by vibing with the lack of content from other slots

[OkaPoka]

i feel like obvscum and obvtown are overused buzzwords

[OkaPoka]

i mean

im not confident

but its the best we have

and since half the playerlist is being a poo poo and refusing to vote until "later" i dont want to be "lol sucks to suck" lynched

[OkaPoka]

everyone

[OkaPoka]

chennis arent u the one who says better mislynch than no lynch

and tried to justify voting me bc deadline was in 4.5 days and u were worried we'd get no lynch

[OkaPoka]

even aside from that though there's nothing that he's done that justifies anyone being confident in a read there and i'd rather hit someone who i have a better read on

^this

where does this come from

since you were very quick to compromise to a worse lynch that you admitted

[OkaPoka]

and look

you vote shadowless

we have confbias who is voting me, who just indicated they tr one of my posts
we have creature who hasnt moved their vote since rvs and has fully admitted they arent reading
we have bef who is voting me to "get things done"

the foundation of my wagon is built on a pillar of lies and no conviction

tr post neq tr slot

if you present a better alternative i will compromise. you aren't my ideal lynch at all.

i argued that my wagon had no substance and you argued that one slot had substance

you are also the person who was willing to go compromise for a worse lynch because deadline

do you actually care for how substantive a wagon is?

[OkaPoka]

i mean

go and throw down your vote i guess

then we continue dancing

[OkaPoka]

i think you have no read on me

[OkaPoka]

where the vote at

[OkaPoka]

he has

one

zero vote.

[OkaPoka]

a town mislynch is strictly better than a no-lynch!

id feel better about this if u werent on a vanity wagon

if you get off a vanity wagon we can work together.

[OkaPoka]

he's kinda scummy

he has the most votes

and we have less than 4.5 days until deadline

[OkaPoka]

nah

chennis ur right

im just being an ass because i think its funny

VOTE: bef

this probs flips scum more than shadowless based on iso

he's way too self conscious like he is parsing his actions carefully, but noticeably isnt actually pushing anyone

[OkaPoka]

hi guys i like lynching bef more lets move to bef

k thx

<3

[OkaPoka]

why is bef town nance

[OkaPoka]

if bef really cared about creating content he'd be on the frontlines trying to talk to people and being proactive to create content right?

[OkaPoka]

ive played one game with bef town so take that fwiw

but that game he at least had reads

[OkaPoka]

i guess we can go back to shadowless

but i kinda want to vote bef more now

[OkaPoka]

i mean
"posting feels kind of natural"
is not necessarily the best justification for townreading someone

[OkaPoka]

forcepushing an 8 ball lynch is a very risky play as scum if thats what you are implying

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: shadowless

ok lets come back here dennis

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: tmck

actually lets just lynch this solely for his attempt at rqs at this stage

[OkaPoka]

we are 50 pages in and you wanted to talk about that?

[OkaPoka]

if u want to talk

why havent you thrown down a vote yet tmck?

[OkaPoka]

Sr nancefloor bef mbaki.
Its 0030 I dead goodnight

Also who is shadow I havent seen them all game

so does this still hold true?

[OkaPoka]

tmck if you vote shadowless with me ill unvote you

[OkaPoka]

why are you scumreading me :/

[OkaPoka]

tmck if you vote shadowless with me ill unvote you

this is scum because ___

[OkaPoka]

tf is a standard tell

[OkaPoka]

sometimes i ask myself if scumreads really exist or is this game all variance

[OkaPoka]

no but seriously whats a standard tell

ive never heard of it

[OkaPoka]

you mean the standard tell?

yes

[OkaPoka]

desync

[OkaPoka]

re-syncing
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connection failed

please define "standard tell"

[OkaPoka]

is it talindur's standard tells?

i don't see how i fit under any of those

[OkaPoka]

so am i going to be in the dark forever

[OkaPoka]

what the fuck is sync

[OkaPoka]

Oka, why do you want shadow so much?

i dont want me

you might be willing to talk to me which is nice

[OkaPoka]

what's wrong with the low hanging fruit?

[OkaPoka]

what's wrong with the low hanging fruit?

because you know the case is terrible?

what about my case is worse than the case that exists on tmck?

[OkaPoka]

i was talking about shadowless, not tmck.

why is the shadowless case worse than the tmck case?

[OkaPoka]

The obfuscation argument was not mine.

Oka, read on tmck right now?

- Floor

lynching tmck is lynching at variance in my opinion

[OkaPoka]

I did case shadowless? of course its a weak case but I don't see a stronger case on anyone? Maybe BEF has an argument to be made but nobody else is biting.

pedit: it means its a null read like most of my reads

[OkaPoka]

on one hand shoshin rep-out + attempt at rqs is kinda stupid

on the other hand he lacks the survivalism that scum at minimum should possess because it would be a disaster if scum got lynched today. unless he got 8-balled + scum but thats a very niche scenario considering shoshin was the old slot

[OkaPoka]

and then we have chemist who isn't playing the game because they want to wait for shadowless to play who isn't playing either

they literally iso'd overkill and thats it

[OkaPoka]

scum require a survivalistic mentality

but survivalism is not only for scum

I think I have been making an attempt at sorting. But it's your opinion.

[OkaPoka]

why the fuck do my posts keep disappearing when i submit

[OkaPoka]

on the other hand he lacks the survivalism that scum at minimum should possess because it would be a disaster if scum got lynched today

Where are you seeing he lacks survivalism?

His 3 scum reads coming in were at least somewhat popular.

- Floor

he isn't making an attempt at actively pushing a counterwagon to himself which should be his main priority as scum

he should also be trying to do that as town, but he's more likely to not think of this as town

[OkaPoka]

he isn't making an attempt at actively pushing a counterwagon to himself which should be his main priority as scum

How is BEF not a counter wagon?

- Floor

because it isn't picking up steam?

[OkaPoka]

I don't even know why I'm defending tmck

He's still null to me lol

[OkaPoka]

I did case shadowless? of course its a weak case but I don't see a stronger case on anyone? Maybe BEF has an argument to be made but nobody else is biting.

pedit: it means its a null read like most of my reads

I already said in one of my posts earlier today that

Shadow's

inactivity is NAI because I haven't seen their activity onsite at all. I don't know what you see as scum-indicative here, especially when you have plenty of null reads you aren't sorting through.

i mean maybe

but he's not in any other games either so he could have just strategically disappeared

who knows

there are reasonable explanations to why this doesnt matter but it is what it is

[OkaPoka]

here's the thing though

nobody who is actually posting is pinging me as scum

so im just going to pursue the people who aren't posting as much

if that makes sense

[OkaPoka]

start what with you

[OkaPoka]

here's the thing though

nobody who is actually posting is pinging me as scum

so im just going to pursue the people who aren't posting as much

if that makes sense

start with me

im lost

[OkaPoka]

i have literally no frame of reference to evaluate any of your posts other than one piece of information

and i have no intention in making up a frame of reference

once we have more stuff ill check you out

[OkaPoka]

lmao i was thinking that once we flip two scum we use 1 of 4 twice

[OkaPoka]

Each Power can be used only once

I have a slight amendment to that strategy, but otherwise, yes.

We have a pr that let's us use 1 power twice

Where was this claimed?

look at setup

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: bef

this is cool

[OkaPoka]

i like sardines

VOTE: fuscosco

why did u drop the milk

[OkaPoka]

We only need one scum lunch actually


1of4 guarantees scum
1of4 guarantees scum
Coalition means either scum in it or we win

[OkaPoka]

We have to coalition early so let's use quiz into reveal into coalition

[OkaPoka]

Well it's not on his list

[OkaPoka]

Why did you stop voting the milk carton kid

[OkaPoka]

Ur going to be cutting it close to the deadline if you try and counterwagon

[OkaPoka]

Not even RC wants to lynch tmck

[OkaPoka]

Propose a viable counter. And propose it quickly

[OkaPoka]

TBH if it were my dictatorship I'd kill shadowless or chemist

[OkaPoka]

Ehh

I might be 8balled because in scum pt of previous game

[OkaPoka]

But I do agree bef is more likely to be 8balled

[OkaPoka]

Fuscosco have I played with your main or something

[OkaPoka]

I'll go back to milk if rc does

[OkaPoka]

i just want to say

if mbaki is scum here he's an absolute chad

[OkaPoka]

also im not sure if fus is a person or not

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: milk

[OkaPoka]

priority should be avoid 8ball because i think coalition and 2x1of4 is p good

and we still have quiz -> reveal -> coalition

we just need 3 townies

[OkaPoka]

well

we should use quiz and always vote town

because it either gives us one townie or one scum (in which case we coalition and 1of4 x2 to poe this game)

if it gives us townie, reveal (gives us scum or townie) into coalition if its town, or we can go back to poe'ing

[OkaPoka]

somebody with a phd in statistics plug that shit in and give us an expected wr

if we can get >60% lets party down

[OkaPoka]

honestly we shouldn't have even 8balled in the first place

quiz opening i think would have been better
quiz->reveal->coalition

[OkaPoka]

coalition is really 1of5 with a chance to win game right

[OkaPoka]

hmm

quiz->reveal->coalitionx2?

[OkaPoka]

i think it might be evident that i dont care about scumhunting

i just wanted to avoid 8ball and voting overkill gives the scum the kills

i think this game is winnable with mechanics, or at least it should give us enough info for good players to carry


this game is unique in the sense that all content is basically generated publicly and it should be very PoE focused through mechanics.

with poe mechanics, we can focus our scumhunting efforts on a select few slots i think?

[OkaPoka]

basically use scumhunting brains once we have poe to work with

no point in burning bridges rn and 1v1'ing because then we might have people willing to play suboptimally to settle a dispute/i wanna show that im right

[OkaPoka]

yeah thats why you dont lynch me

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: bef

actually just raise your hand if you are ok with lynching tmck or something

that way we dont risk getting a no lynch

*raises hand*

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: tmck

[OkaPoka]

More like

VOTE: chennis

[OkaPoka]

I'm worried bef is 8ball

[OkaPoka]

Ok but I'm not sure enough that bef is scum to do that

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: Fuscuso

not on your list

not on your scumteam

?

[OkaPoka]

@bef claim.

[OkaPoka]

we need a wagon and we need it asap

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: overkill

asdfasdf

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: chennis

i dont think we have time for that actually

[OkaPoka]

bef runs the risk of 8balling it which would ruin my plan

[OkaPoka]

ur not even voting fusco rc

[OkaPoka]

why are we lynching fusco

[OkaPoka]

i dont see why fusco is scum

enlighten me

[OkaPoka]

Vote Count 1.2.14

BrightEyedFish (6): chennisden, themilkcartonkid, JohnnyEnglish, Clemency, 0verki11, Time Devil

(L-3)

chennisden (4): Titus, Fuscosco, OkaPoka, NanceFloor
themilkcartonkid (2): BrightEyedFish, Chemist1422
Fuscosco (1): mbaki
OkaPoka (1): Ankamius


Not Voting (3): Creature, RadiantCowbells, Taly

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate a player.

The deadline for elimination is 27 April 12:00pm UTC-4, or in

(expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

Mod Notes:

(expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

(expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

(expired on 2019-04-27 12:00:00)

[OkaPoka]

is chennis really that known to be lynchbait?

[OkaPoka]

if we really have time

i kinda wanna lynch creature lol

[OkaPoka]

mbaki could u clarify why you are voting fuc

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: overkill

literally give any non 8 ball wagon

bouncy bounce bounce

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: overkill

literally give any non 8 ball wagon

bouncy bounce bounce

I thought we established that trying to avoid the 8 ball is dumb.

not when you have coalition + 2x1of4 and now you have a revealed repicker

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: fucosco

[OkaPoka]

what's wrong :/

[OkaPoka]

BEF is ideal here imo

If Chenn flips red, lynch this next.

is there any universe where 0verki11 isn't the best d2 lynch?

I'm well back into scumreading him again, his posting since I went to bed reminded me all over again why I was scumreading him in the first place.

the one where we dont lynch d2

[OkaPoka]

i dont think 8ball was the right pick lul

[OkaPoka]

if we don't lynch scum today we don't get to 1 of 4 twice consecutively in a useful way and fusco has the single highest equity of flipping scum in this lobby

if repicker is outed we might not have the ability to 1 of 4 twice

[OkaPoka]

@mod, are treestumped players flipped?
@mod can treestumped players still use their ability?

[OkaPoka]

we could strongman and dance to deny kills on tmck

[OkaPoka]

dance denies scum the nk if we need to 1of4

[OkaPoka]

we have to space 1of4 after we lynch the scum in the 1of4

so to do that and prevent tmck from dying

we have to use the antink abilities

those are coalition, veto, dance, vengekill, protect

protect doesnt work on non vanillas

vengekill runs the risk of lynching scum -> rip tmck

coalition should be used before 1of4 i think, doesnt actually eliminate anyone from the 1of4

veto and dance are the only ways we can remove players in the 1of4 whilst protecting tmck

[OkaPoka]

1of4 -> veto all 4

mafia leaves two left

we dance, kill one person (hope to god it's mafia) otherwise we just lynch normally, tmck repicks 1of4 as he dies

somebody needs to run the math on this to see if its even worth

[OkaPoka]

what are the odds for winning if we only need 3 people for coalition?

[OkaPoka]

no its pickable if its 2 or more scum alive

we can either have

4 v 12

4 v 10

3 v 13

3 v 11

but with quiz (assuming town) + reveal (on town)

4 v 10

4 v 8

3 v 11

3 v 9

so what are the odds we can dodge scum in all these scenario in a coalition of three

[OkaPoka]

nvm these odds are not > 60%

[OkaPoka]

If there is twilight we are fucked aren't we

[OkaPoka]

Well if fur is the 8ball

We can't do same plan. We actually have to scumhunt

[OkaPoka]

why?

[OkaPoka]

also we need to talk

we cant do a double 1 of 4 anymore

[OkaPoka]

well cant maf just nk our repicker

so we have to hit the 1of4 which is like 25% chance

[OkaPoka]

actually maybe coalition still is the most valuable double up

[OkaPoka]

coalition also lowkeys gives us a slightly worse and slightly better version of 1 o 4

[OkaPoka]

i think tmck is auto put into any coalition

which gives us 4 slots left for both coalitions

and both coalitions should come from different pools i think

[OkaPoka]

ok here is the plan

we coalition twice with tmck + 4 different players each time

if we win we win

if we lose we assume that there is one scum per coalition, we lynch the scum in each pool

then we end game with 1 of 4

[OkaPoka]

Anybody disagree with the plan?

[OkaPoka]

In fact if tmck remains un-cc'd

coalition is straight up better than 1 of 4

[OkaPoka]

In fact if tmck remains un-cc'd

coalition is straight up better than 1 of 4

Not sure. Examples please.

Okay so if tmck is 100% town

Then WE pick the coalition of 4 people.

If we succeed in picking 4 town, we win.

If we fail, then we know there is at least one scum in the pool but also deny the scum the nk.

If we coalition twice, we have two separate 1 of 4 pools to work with that guarantee us 1 scum each. 1 of 4 will also guarantee us one scum after we finish out the coalition pools.

Three scum left. Win.

also are u scum

[OkaPoka]

anyways the only hitch to this plan rn is if someone can develop an even better plan with a higher wr or a cc to tmck

[OkaPoka]

Wait for a cc before we do anything.

[OkaPoka]

why would scum ever cc here

just want to make 100% sure that we can mark tmck as 100% town because i don't want any hitches in the plan

[OkaPoka]

also I want to repeat that the two coalitions MUST BE DIFFERENT

other than our guaranteed town

So no, RC cannot be in both coalitions.