Mini Normal 2071 (Game Over!)

[tris]

VC 1.11

Sashaddin (5):

Ausuka 162, bob3141 180, Exilon 360, skitter30 742, Garmr 748

RuiRui (3):

ChannelDelibird 174, Egix96 233, u r a person 2 638

u r a person 2 (2):

Inferno390 79, RuiRui 484

skitter30 (1):

High Risk Gamble 704

Not Voting:

Lil Uzi Vert 538, Sashaddin 661

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-05-03 20:00:00)

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Sashaddin

L-1

[ChannelDelibird]

Not at all happy about the way this is now swinging towards Sash. I don't think anyone can give me a good reason why RuiRui should make it to Day 2.

At this point, Sash voters have to move back to RuiRui in order to have any chance of a non-Sash lynch, but I'm not hammering yet. Very strongly skeeved out now. Will hammer later if I must, but I think the reluctance to vote RuiRui is not a good look.

[Ausuka]

Why should Sashaddin make it to d2 then?

[High Risk Gamble]

VOTE: RuiRui

Don't just lynch Sash because of the time. There's plenty of time to vote RuiRui up, get a claim and decide from there.
RuiRui has a lot more potential than Sash to flip scum here.

[ChannelDelibird]

Sash voters, please ask yourselves this.

If you are a town player who's barely posted on Day 1 - hey, it sucks, but that can happen - but you've read enough to know that there's at least one vocal scumread on you (see quote below), you surely have read enough to know that you are one of the only wagons remaining as the Day approaches deadline.

Does a response anywhere below "everyone, I'm really sorry I haven't been here much, I don't have strong reads but I think I can be useful in later Days" come into play as a possible town reaction? Like, come on, even apathetic town realises they might get mislynched here and says something.

Instead, this is what we get:

RuiRui - I've made my feelings here clear. RuiRui seems to be posting just barely enough to not get prodded too much, and what she does say seems to betray a frightful lack of interest in the game at large. It's all the lightest of brushes against the surface level, to the extent that she isn't even reacting to any suspicion on her at all. Pressure must be applied here to force some kind of commitment to anything at all.

Why does that make you want to lynch me? Just a policy thing?

This, as the sum total of RuiRui's reaction, isn't town. There is no concern here. It's below the bare minimum engagement, but it is still meant to look like engagement.

RuiRui isn't just not here. RuiRui is trying to be ignored. And it's fucking working.

[ChannelDelibird]

Why should Sashaddin make it to d2 then?

Sash is visibly trying to adapt his style and be useful, engaging and open when scum in his position would have given up. I am solidifying into a townread, between the energy required for Sash to do that and the way in which people insist on compromising towards him over RuiRui.

[Garmr]

Sash voters, please ask yourselves this.

If you are a town player who's barely posted on Day 1 - hey, it sucks, but that can happen - but you've read enough to know that there's at least one vocal scumread on you (see quote below), you surely have read enough to know that you are one of the only wagons remaining as the Day approaches deadline.

Does a response anywhere below "everyone, I'm really sorry I haven't been here much, I don't have strong reads but I think I can be useful in later Days" come into play as a possible town reaction? Like, come on, even apathetic town realises they might get mislynched here and says something.

Instead, this is what we get:

RuiRui - I've made my feelings here clear. RuiRui seems to be posting just barely enough to not get prodded too much, and what she does say seems to betray a frightful lack of interest in the game at large. It's all the lightest of brushes against the surface level, to the extent that she isn't even reacting to any suspicion on her at all. Pressure must be applied here to force some kind of commitment to anything at all.

Why does that make you want to lynch me? Just a policy thing?

This, as the sum total of RuiRui's reaction, isn't town. There is no concern here. It's below the bare minimum engagement, but it is still meant to look like engagement.

RuiRui isn't just not here. RuiRui is trying to be ignored. And it's fucking working.

Why does no concern = scum? There's multiple other reasons why someone would be concerned. Not caring about the game that much,having a power role and trying to keep low profile, having that sort of playstyle meta, actually not caring if you get lynched.

Scum have just as much reason to care about appearances as town in fact.

[ChannelDelibird]

Power roles also care if they get mislynched because then they can't use their fucking power role.

If RuiRui just generally didn't care about the game that much, she would have failed to post one of her last empty-ass posts and been replaced.

That's a bunch of really shitty excuses, Garmr.

[ChannelDelibird]

Town cares. Town tries. That's the baseline deal we all make with each other when we sign up for these games.

If RuiRui feels differently, the very least we ought to do is run her up and make her fight to justify her place.

Wow, 757 stinks really badly.

[Garmr]

Power roles also care if they get mislynched because then they can't use their fucking power role.

If RuiRui just generally didn't care about the game that much, she would have failed to post one of her last empty-ass posts and been replaced.

That's a bunch of really shitty excuses, Garmr.

No offence but not caring about getting lynched is a pretty shitty reasoning to say someone is scum. As scum I used to care a lot about getting lynched more than I do town now it's around 50/50. You can't just go applying how you feel about the role not everyone is you CBD.

Also there's been games I wanted out of but didn't because I didn't want the person to be in my slot and have to go through it. There's plenty of different reasons.

[Garmr]

Town cares. Town tries. That's the baseline deal we all make with each other when we sign up for these games.

If RuiRui feels differently, the very least we ought to do is run her up and make her fight to justify her place.

Wow, 757 stinks really badly.

I wish this was the case but I have to my experience on this site that tells me otherwise.

[ChannelDelibird]

Are you seriously trying this on with me? 'Play to your win con' is a core rule of this game. Getting lynched because you didn't try not to be is breaking that rule.

Obviously I have encountered lots of people who were blasé about the idea of being lynched over the years. You know what they did? They showed up and said "I don't really care if you lynch me, sheep me when I'm dead" or variations thereof. Because that's all they had.

RUIRUI IS TRYING TO BE IGNORED

[ChannelDelibird]

The absolute best-case scenario for your argument here is 'well, maybe RuiRui's not scum I guess'. In which case quite frankly you should be voting for her anyway.

[Exilon]

I'm mostly with cdb here and i will add that, in any scenario, garm, the reasoning follows that ruirui is not playing to a town win condition whereas it can be argued (and his iso shows it) that sash tried.

But i personally would be more keen on jumping if the last few sash contributions hadn't been unvote and metagame discussion as opposed to actual scumhunting.

That's how i feel about the slot right now.

[Exilon]

Obviously I have encountered lots of people who were blasé about the idea of being lynched over the years. You know what they did? They showed up and said "I don't really care if you lynch me, sheep me when I'm dead" or variations thereof. Because that's all they had.

RUIRUI IS TRYING TO BE IGNORED

That sounds like a very familiar sentence, is this a jab at someone here lol

[Garmr]

The absolute best-case scenario for your argument here is 'well, maybe RuiRui's not scum I guess'. In which case quite frankly you should be voting for her anyway.

Ruis not scum unless sash is so why would I vote rui over sash?

I still disagree with you. You want to know why because it wouldn't have to be a rule if people didn't do it. It's like saying murder doesn't happen because it's morally wrong and everyone must care about the rules.

[ChannelDelibird]

No, not at all directed at anyone here. Just plenty of bad attitudes over the years.

[ChannelDelibird]

Ruis not scum unless sash is so why would I vote rui over sash?

This awful assumption is yours, not mine, and I will judge you for it accordingly when Rui flips scum and Sash flips town.

[Egix96]

which ones?

592, 632 and 635
You tell me if they are town to you...

Dont like the first post, the second two are nai imo

VOTE: sash

^^^^ entirely a compromise eod vote. I dont scumread him and i dont think he's flipping scum

If you're voting just to compromise, Rui is a better choice here

[Garmr]

Also not caring about being lynched like that would go against scums win condition as well. Why does it make them scum and not just a policy lynch?

Seems awful naive of you.

[Exilon]

Wait when did you come to the conclusion that ruirui scum implies sash scum, garmr??
And also by that logic you should be voting rui and sort both slots.

You know what, I'm gonna stand with high risk here
VOTE: ruirui

[Exilon]

For reference, i was talking about 766 there

[ChannelDelibird]

Also not caring about being lynched like that would go against scums win condition as well. Why does it make them scum and not just a policy lynch?

a) The baseline for 'scum who don't care about being lynched' is still, just as with town, to show up and say 'I don't care about being lynched', except less convincingly because they're scum so it tinges their viewpoint regardless. That's why RuiRui is explicitly scummy here, because she hasn't done even that. She's just tried to skate by without drawing any additional attention to herself and hoped to get away with it. I'm pretty sure you are arguing in favour of a hypothetical RuiRui who doesn't actually exist in this thread; she hasn't given us any reason to believe she is the person you are suggesting she might be

b) It still wouldn't be a policy lynch, I think RuiRui's posting has been reluctant to go below the surface, which looks like an unwillingness to actually scumhunt, which is a scum trait

[Garmr]

Wait when did you come to the conclusion that ruirui scum implies sash scum, garmr??
And also by that logic you should be voting rui and sort both slots.

You know what, I'm gonna stand with high risk here
VOTE: ruirui

Didn't we just literally talk about this? You talked to me about it in 710. Like there's a super low chance rui is scum with out being scum with sash and even if sash flips scum rui not likely to be scum either. You haven't changed my thoughts on the scenario.