Micro 865: Let’s Talk About an Ongoing Game [Game Over]

[Ausuka]

VOTE: podoboq

[Ausuka]

I’m sheeping Dannflor and RC

VOTE: TheBrie

Not taking responsibility for vote, scum.

If by land this post exists, we're still in the random stage.

VOTE: YyottaCat

Too confusing to be scum. Scum like not to stand out.

there's some new faces here

The only players I have any experience with in here are TemporalLich, Umlaut, and TheBrie.

Scummy, talks for the sake of talking to look active. This doesn't advance the town wincon.

there's some new faces here

The only players I have any experience with in here are TemporalLich, Umlaut, and TheBrie.

I'm actually Nibbui/Yuurei/Fumuki so I think you've experience with me as well

I don't think I've ever seen some of the players here playing anywhere though

Towny because scum don't interact so closely on page 1. Scum like to minimize interactions, because the more they interact, the more evidence can be used against them later.

VOTE: TL even when you're town, you're scum

Aggressive, doesn't try to appear towny. Town.

howdy cowboys and cowgirls

Doesn't even place a vote, totally unconcerned with appearances.

Podoboq is scum. The partner is Umlaut, Yyotta or Brie. I can't believe I just solved the game on page 1, I'm so good at mafia.

[Ausuka]

Alright that makes sense I guess.

Shotgun Readlist (don't trust this as we're still in the random stage)

Townlean

: Buki (town leader-esque in 16)

NAIlean

: Clemency (13 isn't even a RVS vote), podoboq (was mainly SRed for 6 which is unfair)

Scumlean

: Ausuka (15 is forced AF), TheBrie (13 isn't that scummy which makes 17 look scummy)

The rest are neutral of course.

1) why is trying to lead the town towny?
2) what is a NAIlean?
3) why is that post being forced scummy?

[Ausuka]

Because that loks like an excuse(#25)……………VOTE: Clemency

This looks so transparently scummy that I think it's probably town.

[Ausuka]

Clemency could be construed as being defensive.

I don't get what this means really. "could be construed" as being defensive? Do you believe it or not?

Also I get what Clemency is saying and I don't think his pov is scummy at all.

[Ausuka]

From where I'm standing Ausuka made a super forced, jokey post trying to play Sherlock Holmes. I don't think she was being serious.

Yeah this is correct. I did think the conversation about who had experience with who was extremely boring and had next to no chance of catching scum and as podo started that I thought he was slightly scummy but only a little bit >rand. None of my trs at that point were genuine though.

[Ausuka]

Also podo is probably town.

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Brie

[Ausuka]

Also VOTE: Ausuka this is not RVS.

If it's not RVS you should explain it.

[Ausuka]

what does "shading arguments" mean?

[Ausuka]

how on earth, in any universe, is it scummy to ask the definition of a term

VOTE: Buki

[Ausuka]

i know what shading players is. i don't know what shading arguments is.

what motivation do i, as scum, have to pretend i don't know what shading is, anyway?

[Ausuka]

Shading the claim is a subset of shading an alignment. When I said shading the claim, that was basically equivalent to shading Luca. That doesn't apply here because you can say I've shaded Brie (and no, I voted Brie, if you define shading as voting someone and call people scum for it that's absolutely ridiculous), and maybe you could say I've shaded podoboq but I've said I read him as town and I gave an explanation of my RVS scumread because I was asked to. I don't think that could be because NMSA meant because it would make no sense whatsoever.

Also no scum don't randomly post untrue things for the lols? Like where did you get that idea?

RAS why is Buki town?

[Ausuka]

RAS why is Buki town?

I was going back-and-forth on that slot a lot through the thread and placed him as null.

While it's not as significant as he's making it out to be, I don't believe that he's faking the "shading argument" case. To me, it looks like he believed you faked a question which explains why he went at such a length to prove it. The way I'm seeing it is that it looked more like he caught something that he thought was faked as opposed to being opportunistic.

It's not a strong town-read, but with how fast he went out of his way to figure out if you knew what shading was, I can't help but see that as a town play.

That game was so long ago though? and he found it within less than 5 minutes? i think it's more likely he remembered that, having already read the game, and going back to link it wouldn't require too much effort on his part.

[Ausuka]

Also VOTE: Ausuka this is not RVS.

If it's not RVS you should explain it.

So your vote on me was still RVS? Especially as you quickly abandoned it?

I voted you for your "Clemency could be construed as being defensive." line. I thought 42 made that clear, sorry if that wasn't the case.

[Ausuka]

Clemency could be construed as being defensive.

I don't get what this means really. "could be construed" as being defensive? Do you believe it or not?

Also I get what Clemency is saying and I don't think his pov is scummy at all.

Nah. I don't. It was a comment along the lines of "Hey, if I or anyone else were looking for more stupid reasons to vote Clemency, we could say he's defensive. Because he's actually responding as if I really cared whether he had a reason or not. And thus defending himself."
And now by that definition, I'm being defensive. I do think you care.
Also I was tired. Far too close to midnight.

Ok I guess this makes sense.

[Ausuka]

also RAS is a SR of mine

sell it to me

Why RAS is

possibly scum

to me:

Said Ausuka (bottom read for some people) is a bad vote right out of the gate.

Is tunneling me for a pointless argument.

Is making pointless arguments.

The entire TL/RAS interaction is SvT and everyone knows it.

Also RAS needs to explain 96, like right now.

wow this post is awful.

[Ausuka]

lich what happened to your read on RAS? you called the interaction obviously SvT but you votepark on Yyotta and then switch to me?

[Ausuka]

on my first readthrough I thought temporal was too scummy to be scum but now he seems to scummy to be too scummy to be scum.

[Ausuka]

it concerns me, like, slightly that buki is on the wagon? but i think most scum players would want to bus lich here, right?

pedit: so you're not voting RAS because you don't want his partner to lolhammer you? i don't get it.

[Ausuka]

Clemency might be scum
VOTE: Clemency

why?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: yyottacat

obvious reasons. Her ISO is pretty empty and awful too.

[Ausuka]

on my first readthrough I thought temporal was too scummy to be scum but now he seems to scummy to be too scummy to be scum.

How is it that you weren't on the FL wagon?

VOTE: yyottacat

obvious reasons. Her ISO is pretty empty and awful too.

I'm pretty sure you're better than this.

I wasn't on the TL wagon because before L1 I wasn't sring him. I didn't want to cut d1 short so I didn't hammer.

Better than what? Yyotta is an awful slot that quickhammered town and hasn't done anything. Even if she is town there's no way I or anyone else could realize that. I don't want to let Yyotta get away with d1 and make it the meta that you can go through a game doing nothing and quickhammering and not get lynched for that.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka shading yet never voting is obvious scum motive - to have town lynched whilst avoiding blame.

Do you really think that lynch wouldn't have gone through without my support?

[Ausuka]

Buki why do you think the two wagons of today are the scumteam?

[Ausuka]

i don't at all see what makes clem scummier than yyotta.

[Ausuka]

buki if you're town you need to get yourself together. It's d2 and you're still tunneling me for not understanding what an application of a term means that I have 0 motivation to say as scum.

[Ausuka]

Sometimes its not quite clear what a person actually means. I actually wouldn't mind an answer to it myself. i know what shading is, but I don't know what NMSA was actually trying to say about Ausuka.

If your reasoning was legit why are you not scumreading this? It's the same situation, yes?

[Ausuka]

The difference between you/Brie is the way and when you asked it. Also I think Brie has way less experience than you so it would be more understandable if she didn't get the meaning from the start.

I don't know, to be honest I feel pretty stupid about this right now, but it's not like I can't be right. Maybe I kinda need to think about this.

UNVOTE:

Let's suppose you're town Ausuka. Try to sell me to the Yyotta wagon here.

How confident that Yyotta is flipping red you are?

there are 9 pages in this game and i'm not sure to what extent i can actually convince you yyotta is scum with what i have to work with, except what i've already said.

to recap, yyotta has done no actual scumhunting this entire game and quickhammered town d1 knowingly. she's clearly not planning to actually do anything this entire game. i don't plan to let a slot like that survive the game if i can help it. her entire gameplay has zero town motivation and a heap of scum motivation.

additionally she hasn't been lynched yet. if she was town she would've just been lynched by now because scum basically just need to vote her and bam, they get the lynch. people keep saying yyotta is in their scumpool because it's really really hard to justify townreading her but people aren't really, like, actually voting her.

i'm pretty confident she'll flip scum here.

[Ausuka]

most of the time 2 scum are in {yyotta, Ausuka, Fumuki}

then vote yyotta.

[Ausuka]

lynch buki and NMSA on a scumflip and we win this game.

[Ausuka]

i don't really think it's very fair for someone to have to replace into yyottaslot here

[Ausuka]

why are you poeing out players you aren't townreading and are you voting me for any reason other than survivalism?

[Ausuka]

This is the case you are pushing, yes?
What exactly here is the thing that ONLY scum would do?

What kind of ridiculous argument is this? Something

only

scum would do? That's an impossible standard to set, in the vast majority of scenarios you can only find behaviour more likely to come from scum. You can't find anything ONLY scum would do in my ISO either and yet you made this argument.

[Ausuka]

I love the idea that not being lynched indicates alignment
It Is a non-case it's a policy lynch that will push the game to MYLO, that, to me is seriously anti-town, lazy, fake scum-hunting.

You're dismissing what I'm saying but you're not making any arguments as to why it's wrong. Anyone can say that an argument is wrong, you need to say why it's wrong. Saying it's a "non-case" and you "love the idea" doesn't prove me wrong.

And you know what? If it's a policy lynch to get rid of a scummy slot that contributed less than anyone else in the game, then made a shady hammer out of nowhere, then flaked? I'm a policy lyncher. That's a policy lynch I'm more than happy to make.

Anti-town and lazy aren't terms you use to describe your top scumread. If you're scum, though, and you think a townie is being bad I suppose you would use those terms here.

[Ausuka]

What is the difference, other than the quickhammer between Yyotta and Clemency?

I don't even need a difference between you two, other than Yyotta quickhammered and then flaked out and Clemency didn't. But, Clemency defended Templich (whereas Yyotta hammered him out of nowhere) and did actual scumhunting w/ 31 at least. He's done more than Yyotta. I suppose you can argue that 27 is the same, but it's an incredibly shallow argument and Clemency's response is much more reasonable and towny.

[Ausuka]

When you posted this there were roughly 7 RL days left in the game day, 7 days in which more information could be found, a replacement could be found and more useful information brought to light. I can't view this post as anything other than a call for a quickhammer which is the very core of your "case" against Yyotta/me.

A replacement could be found. Is that a good thing for town when the replacement is scum? People are entrenched in their views, discussion isn't fluid. The replacement would always trigger this, Train casing me since I'm the other viable wagon for today. Probably he wastes his effort and nothing happens since we already have buki/nmsa as good partnerspew and trainwreck might wifom us so I can't imagine associations will be too useful, but it seems like people might actually believe this. In that case, it's possible I get lynched over Yyotta slot; which is negative for town. So yes, I think a hammer is justifiable in this situation; the definition of quickhammering isn't fixed based on the RL days left, and it's not always a good thing to drag to deadline

[Ausuka]

I read both of these as "Hey look how town I am, I'm not on / didn't join the bad lynch!"
Also note that you didn't want to cut D1 short but are fine with cutting D2 short, even though the consequences for a short D2 are worse for town.

The first quote is just me pondering whether buki, a scumread, being on Temp, means anything. You're just forcing a case at this point; if I actually wanted to do that? I would've defended Templich. And the second post is literally just me defending from the accusation that I'm scum because I didn't vote Temp even though I thought he was scum.

Train is scum here. He replaced in and saw that me and him were the only potential lynches today. So he forced himself to build a case on me except his case doesn't really make sense.

[Ausuka]

You think that Ausuka's case is "alright" when it is clearly a policy lynch.

Oh yeah this is another thing. According to Train I'm scum because I wouldn't actually believe my case as town here, yet he doesn't hold Brie who agrees with the case to that same standard. He's coming at this from the point of view of "How can I get an Ausuka lynch through today" rather than the view of "Who is actually scum this game?"

[Ausuka]

Ausuka I'm concerned you could be tunnelling instead of reassessing the replacement. Low input players like Yyotta make it difficult to parse an alignment so perhaps it's better to have someone who posts there. I agree that cutting the day short is going to lead to a town loss as this game is so low in content.

Would you consider lynching elsewhere?

I'd consider lynching elsewhere as long as I thought that lynch was better yeah. I could be convinced to lynch nmsa or fl today I guess but right now I feel like train is the most scummy.

Can we not make this into childish insults please, it just makes the game dull for everyone.

Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you, I'll be more careful in future.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka may be tunneling here, but it's very honest sounding. I think she believes what she's saying. (Yes, I am echoing Moongrass, thanks for noticing. Moongrass is town.)

226 looks super political to me, but maybe that’s just gut.

I feel I’ve gut read Brie as scum correctly before, though, but I don’t have a lot of familiarity with a decent amount of players here.

You mean the time when I was a serial killer?

I like Flavour's entry, but I'm not sure I can read him. He does sound like this at town, but previously I thought he was manipulative, and shot him because his reads were wrong.

Ok well if you think I'm tunneling Train then where do you want to lynch? I still think Yyotta's play of being absent and then hammering out of nowhere and then flaking has been really suspicious, and Train came in with a hardpush on the only other viable wagon, and tbh it feels really convenient that now that everyone agrees that I'm town, they're moving off me too.

[Ausuka]

Intent to hammer TrainDriver

Please claim in your next post.

What I said earlier about the scumteam still stands. 2 scum are in TrainDriver, FL, Ausuka.

This is probably scum trying to set up a mislynch path.

Yeah, that's a possibility that I considered. But, why does NMSA do this as scum? He's not really casing any of us, right? So when Train does get lynched, there's no guarantee he'll succeed in lynching me next.

[Ausuka]

He doesn’t need to case today, he can case tomorrow.

Yeah, but I could case him tomorrow and it would be likely to work due to his chainlynching. Just seems to be a shaky strategy in general unless his partner is like moongrass in which case, we lose anyway.

I thought I was never scum?

[Ausuka]

VOTE: nmsa

if you're town you're a gamethrower

[Ausuka]

you've given one argument at the start of game for why I'm scum. nothing else except empty narrative.

Since you're treating it like something I could actually do why don't you prove you're town first?

[Ausuka]

Schadd and lycan from the discussion thread townread me and of the people who've given reads they know me the best by far.

[Ausuka]

ok I guess i'll just wait until every pair gets on together. if we lose, great, i'll just move on with my life. if we don't i'll reread the game like i was going to do anyway.

[Ausuka]

why are you scumreading me again?

[Ausuka]

i'm not good enough as scum for paranoia of me to make sense.

how was i testing brie?

no i wouldn't lynch brie. as i said i'm not rereading on a serious level until all combos of {fl, brie, clem} come online because in a world where nmsa is town i don't want to waste time on a lost game.

pedit: no that's not how it works. you need to be online at the same time. if you voted one of us the other would likely get cold feet.

[Ausuka]

i changed my mind; nmsa is scum the majority of the time and if he is sitting around and doing nothing could get me ml'd.

It's not really no reason but yeah, kind of a slippery rope.

VOTE: NMSA

I think this is the true most scum equity slot right now, he came to the thread and even with all this early discussion he simply goes off to make a fluff post

Asking a person "what does that mean" sometimes serves the purpose of asking "what do you mean by that?"

I think scumreading Ausuka for asking what a person meant is dumb and antitown.

No it's not I've seen scum do pointless posts just to post.

I'm on NMSA's side here. We're a couple of pages in. Being fluffy on page 70 is totally normal for a lot of players. Doing it on page two isn't scummy, regardless of how much "discussion" you think was happening.

It wasn't a matter of what page we were in. It's a matter of perspective. In page 70 while people are discussing things, maybe someone will lighten the mood by posting some light-hearted posts, but in NMSA's case it was different. We had already made our first fluffly/RVS posts, and when he comes back there's something that he could try to get reads on. Most town players would probably try to say something about what is going on in the game instead of ignoring it.

But NMSA said that he didn't find anything before his second post relevant so that's that. But my point would still stand in another situation I think.

I think that there`s at least one scum in [Yyotta, Ausuka]. Either that or we`ve already lost the game.

I`ll re:read the game afterwards to decide between them who to lynch today, and try to see if podoboq nightkill makes more sense coming from only Yyotta, Ausuka, or both being scum.

I`m tending to Ausuka because I still think that the `what does shading arguments mean?` was fake but Yyotta has done exactly nothing useful this game either so...

Let`s pray that there`s at least one scum there because if not I don`t think this is a town win.

i don't think fl is the partner here; buki's earlygame push on nmsa doesn't look s/s and i don't think both scum employ a very similar strategy for d2.

that leaves clemency or brie.

i don't really know how i'm supposed to read clemency? brie is also idk but i think i could get a better read on her with her lylo entrance. she defends me in 254 though, which, from a position of "i'm scum with notmyspamaccount and we're lynching yyotta today and ausuka tomorrow for the Easy Win" is a strange position to take. so, i'd lean nmsa/clem purely on PoE.

you were townreading me earlier! also you scumread me for quite a bit of musicals and may have continued to do so if it wasn't for my roleclaim.

[Ausuka]

yours?

[Ausuka]

He doesn’t need to case today, he can case tomorrow.

Yeah, but I could case him tomorrow and it would be likely to work due to his chainlynching. Just seems to be a shaky strategy in general unless his partner is like moongrass in which case, we lose anyway.

I thought I was never scum?

You of all people should know how much I flip flop, even on that stuff.

I never said I thought you were scum there. I could just see the understanding of your thought process within that scenario

if

you were scum. The single link on the chain I saw the scenario, putting the links together isn’t necessarily scum.

You’re a solid enough player to know that.

And you casing him tomorrow after he already set you up is some sort of entrapment which naturally makes the paranoia on you higher, if that makes sense.

- day 2

[Ausuka]

FL you have to listen to me. I'm town here and I think you're town too and you're going to lose us this game.

Paranoia is not a legitimate reason to actually scumread someone. You townread me earlier very strongly but I think you're too caught up in your narrative here to actually remember why that was.

What has NMSA done that makes him town? His entire play is narrative, narrative, narrative.

"our most recent sequence of posts rings hollow to me. it sounds like you're trying to shade other people's arguments without contributing much of anything yourelf."

This is why I'm scum to him, posts from page 2. This is the ONLY reason he's given as to why I'm scum here. And to be honest I STILL have no idea what shading arguments is supposed to mean and I asked that on day one. And I think it's undeniably inaccurate that I didn't contribute anything - I made a push on Brie and retracted my push on podo, calling him town. It's just bad.

no one is willing to shoot questions at me.

I'm here. It's time for you to town it up or die.

pedit: so you're not voting RAS because you don't want his partner to lolhammer you? i don't get it.

Yeah.

Explain this. Not only would a vote on RAS not put him at risk of a lynch, since there's no wagon there at all, and thus scum wouldn't feel particularly pressured to end the day, but also, especially now that you've said this, why would scum lolhammer and effectively get themselves lynched tomorrow?

lich what happened to your read on RAS? you called the interaction obviously SvT but you votepark on Yyotta and then switch to me?

I still SR RAS.

Though RAS is scumlean and I'm L-1 so scum (maybe RAS's partner) could just lolhammer me if I act scummy again.

This seems to be different from what you said above. Acting scummy wouldn't draw a lolhammer from scum, so you've said two different things and neither is reasonable. hmm.

Look how wordy he is here. Compare that to the rest of his game. This is because TL legitimately played scummy as town; he had points he could bring up in his play. He has a harder time with other players in the game.

TL's ability to be so unbelievably scummy while still being town will never cease to amaze me. Every time I think "there's no way he could really be this scummy and not be scum," he does it again.

idk if anyone else sees this but on reflection? this is really tonally fake.

And then he starts with his narrative.

most of the time 2 scum are in {yyotta, Ausuka, Fumuki}

He lynches yyotta and me easy, with your slot for backup in case one of us really towns it up.

VOTE: Yyotta this is

L-1

if yyotta flips town lynch Ausuka

Again, this is scum, trying to lynch yyotta and me for the easy win. Note that he STILL hasn't bought up ANY points as to why either of us are scum. he's just saying "lynch these people".

VOTE: Ausuka I can talk some for now, but there's no way Ausuka isn't scum here.

VOTE: nmsa

if you're town you're a gamethrower

prove to me you're not scum. We should have lynched you already.

This is BS. He still doesn't have reasons to think I'm scum. He's still tunneling me off a bad reason from page 3. This isn't a town thought process. Town re-evaluates. Town realizes there's a chance they might be wrong and don't vote right out of the gate here. He's claiming an absurd level of confidence in his scumread on me, for no reason whatsoever. If this was a marathon or a blitz, sure, town does this. But in a serious game like this there's no reason to. His claim of this much confidence has to be a facade.

I'm going to feel silly if two of you go on and quickhammer after this but I feel pretty confident NMSA is scum here, and FL I think you're being manipulated. You need to get out of your mindset and re-evaluate if you really want to choose NMSA over me.

[Ausuka]

all the possibilities except that i'm town and nmsa is scum?

[Ausuka]

And idk dude you've been pretty focused on me/brie for a while now and I don't feel like you're going to stop anytime soon.

Pedit: But like if you leave Moon alive they vote NMSA and aus/brie wins? WIFOM kill here would just be bad I think.

[Ausuka]

And now he's conveniently scumreading Brie, even though he said this earlier:

Moongrass is town. if only one of the above is scum I'd guess Clem is trying to fly under the radar.

and clearly, he can't really argue that he townreads Clemency:

Clemency also needs to ahow up and say something useful

I think it's pretty obvious that now he's pushing Brie to fit in with FL's view of the gamestate, and effectively pocket him. He just kind of says, "ok I guess Brie is probably scum" with no real justification as to why he feels that way. Just like all of his gameplay from d2 onwards.

[Ausuka]

Then can you tell me why Clemency is town?

[Ausuka]

and I wasn't too strong on Train? I thought they were scum and went way harder than I should have.

But hey I'm not changing your mind with reasoning if your read isn't based on reasoning so if Clem is scum have fun losing I guess.

[Ausuka]

i changed my mind; nmsa is scum the majority of the time and if he is sitting around and doing nothing could get me ml'd.

It's not really no reason but yeah, kind of a slippery rope.

VOTE: NMSA

I think this is the true most scum equity slot right now, he came to the thread and even with all this early discussion he simply goes off to make a fluff post

Asking a person "what does that mean" sometimes serves the purpose of asking "what do you mean by that?"

I think scumreading Ausuka for asking what a person meant is dumb and antitown.

No it's not I've seen scum do pointless posts just to post.

I'm on NMSA's side here. We're a couple of pages in. Being fluffy on page 70 is totally normal for a lot of players. Doing it on page two isn't scummy, regardless of how much "discussion" you think was happening.

It wasn't a matter of what page we were in. It's a matter of perspective. In page 70 while people are discussing things, maybe someone will lighten the mood by posting some light-hearted posts, but in NMSA's case it was different. We had already made our first fluffly/RVS posts, and when he comes back there's something that he could try to get reads on. Most town players would probably try to say something about what is going on in the game instead of ignoring it.

But NMSA said that he didn't find anything before his second post relevant so that's that. But my point would still stand in another situation I think.

I think that there`s at least one scum in [Yyotta, Ausuka]. Either that or we`ve already lost the game.

I`ll re:read the game afterwards to decide between them who to lynch today, and try to see if podoboq nightkill makes more sense coming from only Yyotta, Ausuka, or both being scum.

I`m tending to Ausuka because I still think that the `what does shading arguments mean?` was fake but Yyotta has done exactly nothing useful this game either so...

Let`s pray that there`s at least one scum there because if not I don`t think this is a town win.

i don't think fl is the partner here; buki's earlygame push on nmsa doesn't look s/s and i don't think both scum employ a very similar strategy for d2.

that leaves clemency or brie.

i don't really know how i'm supposed to read clemency? brie is also idk but i think i could get a better read on her with her lylo entrance. she defends me in 254 though, which, from a position of "i'm scum with notmyspamaccount and we're lynching yyotta today and ausuka tomorrow for the Easy Win" is a strange position to take. so, i'd lean nmsa/clem purely on PoE.

you were townreading me earlier! also you scumread me for quite a bit of musicals and may have continued to do so if it wasn't for my roleclaim.

i think it's clemency for reasons above (read: PoE.)

[Ausuka]

if it's clem and brie i will lowkey be really mad about this

pedit: there's also, like, the night phase to take into consideration, in which she literally couldn't post at all?

i've convinced myself nmsa is scum but like if you want it I guess I can? it's not like my vote is accomplishing anything

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

Can you guys unvote? I now have an increasingly paranoid vibe of Clemency/Brie.

I don’t think that’s the team, but yeah.

Clemency can't be scum with NMSA but can be with Brie? what?

[Ausuka]

what do you mean? the day opened less than 24 hours ago. she physically could not post in the thread.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka, why is FL town?

i outlined in my earlier post why they're not scum with you. even if you're actually town they just feel genuine today.

Why am I scum?

pedit: Well yes if she's scum she was probably at least somewhat active in the scum chat and that also applies to everyone else. What does that have to do with anything?

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I think Spam is town.

why??

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be more specific. what arguments are so bad to you?

That doesn't really make any sense? Like I just can't parse what about posting in scumchat makes you less likely to want to post.

I mean i guess that's possible and it would be my solve if nmsa was actually town but like i don't really see the reason to believe that rn

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yeah I have to wonder why Clemency didn't check in at such a vital phase if he's town.

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yeah I have to wonder why Clemency didn't check in at such a vital phase if he's town.

I mean, it’s weird as scum too.

I mean, not posting has done just fine for him so far.

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why is nmsa trying to argue that i'm stupid as a way of arguing i'm scum

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what on earth? bad arguments -> bad motivations? that makes no sense; if i know what something means as scum there's no use in pretending that i don't. it doesn't make me look town, it's just NAI.

Fl do you still think nmsa is tgown?

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no. i guess i'd consider voting clem.

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what on earth? bad arguments -> bad motivations? that makes no sense; if i know what something means as scum there's no use in pretending that i don't. it doesn't make me look town, it's just NAI.

Fl do you still think nmsa is tgown?

More bad posting. If you have bad arguments, it becomes more likely that your motivation is scummy.

but you talked about things that weren't arguments. you talked about questions about terminology and called them scum. do you honestly think that there is any motivation to ask clarification about what posts are trying to get across when I'm scum if I know? do people give out townpoints for that? i don't think anyone does.

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clemency who's scum?

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thebrie where are you??

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idk dude it's hard to have a townbloc if you don't read my posts

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Ausuka has been solving at me rather than with me

I didn’t even read a decent amount of Ausuka’s posts today even.

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i want to say scum in {brie/clem} is brie right now from how easily she tr'd nmsa and was willing to risk the game just based on that; and the fact that brie's being more proactive going for a popular lynch while clemency is just kind of not pushing an agenda and letting whatever happens happen. but like i'd need more from clemency to actually vote brie.

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not scum with llavor feaf

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VOTE: Clemency

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Did we just lose? I just lolhammered because I'm tired of this game.

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FL why can't you get out of your tunnel on me? I'm obviously town this game.

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gg. I know I didn't play that well buut I tried and I convinced a few people in the discussion thread, at least, in the end

yeah flavour you did really well.

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I was Ausuka siding.

thanks lycan ur the best

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Mod notes: Town should sheep players in the discussion thread more. They are mostly likely town aligned.
Sorry for messing up Day 2.

How do you know which person to sheep though?

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i thot ausuka was a wolf a few posts in but i wanted her to win

Sure

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(thank you)

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Also yeah if you need my permission to release scum PT go ahead and do that.

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By that metric I'd rate krazy's reads as the most sheepable and that would've lost the game? idk.

NMSA/Brie I think by the end was the most popular and that was town so?

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We'd (or FL but we agreed this was the play) have killed NMSA on that chance and I think you'd probably be the lynch if that happened considering Ausuka/Brie seemed to be by far the most popular Ausuka team being speculated.

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Maybe not though since Clemency apparently was scumreading FL and you would have thought him to be the nightkill. Idk it's kinda hard to me tospeculate on what could've happened, because clemency and you were so quiet compared to NMSA and FL and players in the discussion thread so it's easy to lose track of how much your votes matter, even though you're 2/3 of town's voting power in that lylo.

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I mean idk? Clem scumread him and NMSA would be conftown off my flip, I don't think it's that unreasonable for him to be the kill if you're scum.