implo refused to reroll until I was a serial killer. This is unacceptable.
VOTE: milk
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May I please join your cheertatership?
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:maybetown:In post 138, TenRose wrote:In post 70, rosterfoster wrote:Yeah primate moves deeper into scum territory.
Wot?In post 127, rosterfoster wrote:Hey I thought the same!
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Scumreading. Forking town intentionally is dumb. If we fork 2 mafia, they have two choices. A) Allow deadline and lose all agency in a NK. B) Fork town and let town control the next two lynches.In post 161, themilkcartonkid wrote:Jingle, are you sring your forkreads or do you think they're town?
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I don't have a problem lynching LHF early in this type of setup, and I'm not sure why anyone else would.In post 162, Primate wrote:Suspicion of Roster feels easy and I'd like more explanation from the people who hold that view.This is a Parachute.-
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They 100% shouldn't be. It's not terrible if they are, but we should never be aiming to fork town.In post 171, Fuscosco wrote:But Ive been completely upfront on my opinion that town should be the first forking.This is a Parachute.-
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If
Fork 2 Town:
Living: 12v4
Forking: 2v0
Fork 1 each:
Living: 13v3
Forking: 1v1
Scum forks 2 town
Living: 11v3
Forking: 3v0
Fork 2 Scum:
Living: 14v2
Forking: 0v2
Scum forks 4 town
Living: 10v2
Forking: 4v0
10v2 with 4 townshots >> 12v4 with 2 townshots
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If as a forked person, you believe that another forked person is more likely scum than two nonforked people, by all means fork them.In post 194, Fuscosco wrote:But realtalk for a second
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Not as such, no. What do you think she ignored that she shouldn't have?In post 206, no lunch wrote:Do you disagree, Jingle?This is a Parachute.-
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Police academy, 8Ball, Boonskiies. Was scum for the first two, snowed you until you replaced in PA, ran out of lynch options in 8Ball and had a frustratingly lurky partner, and I think we mutually sr-d for a while in Extravaganza until we were both obvtown AF.In post 440, PenguinPower wrote:
Once (maybe twice). He was transparent to me the most recent time, but I think he learned what not to do so I probably couldn't catch him again easily.In post 383, themilkcartonkid wrote:Has anyone played with scum!jingle before? Also has anyone played with town!fusco?This is a Parachute.-
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Flubbs>Boon>PP>Chara in amount of experience with me, AFAIK. The rest of you are all mostly people I've been in short snippets of games with or modded. Or I've forgotten. I know me and UT probably played together years ago, but can't remember a game. Sky has also been in a few of my games but I don't think we've ever interacted to the point where I'd expect her to think she can read me.
Boon probably the safest bet at actually getting a bead on my alignment? I'm pretty sure Flubbs has tr-d me every time I've rolled scum against him, although I'm fairly accurate at reading him.This is a Parachute.-
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This is a lie to the best of my knowledge, btw. I was town in OK and AlmostChara was dead before I repped in in the game where I saw my scumteam and openwolfed to victory.In post 385, Chara wrote:i've played with scum Jingle! he's hard to catch.This is a Parachute.-
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Hmmm. AChara wasn't in PPinecone.In post 451, Jingle wrote:
This is a lie to the best of my knowledge, btw. I was town in OK andIn post 385, Chara wrote:i've played with scum Jingle! he's hard to catch.AlmostChara was dead before I repped in in the game where I saw my scumteam and openwolfed to victory.This is a Parachute.-
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Unlikely. Experience says this flavor of meta misrepresentation comes from town more often than not and she has a hydra with A50, one of the people on site with an annoyingly high opinion of my scumplay.In post 455, Fuscosco wrote:chara be teh scumzThis is a Parachute.-
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Chemist/Chara susp from here, I think.In post 390, Primate wrote:I'm feeling a bit off today but posting anyway like a trooper.
No lunch seems town with plenty of evidence of thought patterns. Sky seems really town and I'm not sure where that's coming from.
Fuscosco feels like a group of bits stapled together. If he's a fork candidate I don't think it's warranted.
Mild town on pp just via fluency.
Don't really get where Tenrose is coming from.
I don't have a read I trust on UT.
Bins comments feel anachronistic.
Chara feels like an intentional overreaction/overfocus which is generally scummy.
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There is actually a setup specific set of scumhunting, I just haven't had the chance to apply it yet.In post 486, Flubbernugget wrote:Jingle has always had the setup he's in as a pretty large pillar of how he scumhunts iirc, and I'm not seeing that here. And I don't know what to make of it, because he will play that way regardless of alignment.
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In post 623, Jingle wrote:Boon has a point about the complete lack of scum theater from primate.This is a Parachute.-
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It's okay, I'll be content to be afraid of ModYou.In post 643, Flavor Leaf wrote:Scum are afraid of townMe and townies are afraid of ScumMe. It’s a vicious cycle.
Also, I find varying wildly between batshit insane with awful reads so on-the-nose it hurts is also a vicious cycle.This is a Parachute.-
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Appollo is >rand town because waiting on partner input.In post 664, no lunch wrote:Apollo
EJ would probably be theatering the shit out of the thread as scum here. The fact that he isn't shows he's interested in what his partner has to say, which he wouldn't be as scum.
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Yes. YOU would. You who doesn't have a bead on what his hydra partner wants is more likely to lurk. I think that you not doing anything out of respect for your partner is slightly town indicative. Of course, there's the option that you're just IRL busy, but... :shrug: Mild townread.In post 677, Apollo Khione wrote:And you know me well enough Jingle that I'd theater as town too, but okay.This is a Parachute.-
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Kinda, yeah.In post 675, Flubbernugget wrote:You think primate was the only active scum?This is a Parachute.-
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I'm pretty unworried about LYLO, tbh.In post 1, implosion wrote:Mafia-aligned players may never fork in such a way that they would immediately win. Two examples: (1) If there is 1 alive mafia and 3 alive town, a forked mafia may not fork to two of the alive town, though if desired they could fork one of them and one other already-forked player. (2) If there are 2 alive mafia and 3 alive town, and 1 forked mafia and 2 forked town, the forked mafia could not fork the two already-forked town, as this would cause the "no forked players" clause to take effect and the mafia would get to fork a townie for free and immediately win. If they do attempt such a fork, the moderator will announce that it failed, and that mafia member will die. There should never be any good reason for this to happen.This is a Parachute.-
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My point is that in LYLO we want to fork one person at a time anyway, and we want the scummiest forkee to do the forking, so having a ton of forkers who can mouth noises isn't a particularly bad thing as long as we can keep discussion active. If we get close to deadline (an actual concern) one of the forked can fork other forks if we have a bunch of forks. That way we can delay a catastrophic forkdeath. This means that having more forked players as we approach LYLO is actually + town EV.In post 695, Bins wrote:thats not my point about LYLO
my point is, because when theres ex. 7 players alive and 3 scum and 4 forked players, we'll only need like two of the forked players forks, so its better for some of them to fork some already forked players to get flips
Also: fork fork fork fork fork fork fork fork fork fork.This is a Parachute.-
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Don’t listen to bins yet. I’m not sure if scum or really bad at setup logic, but I want to post setup logic before next fork.In post 749, Bins wrote:you can make em full dead if you think they're scum
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Lol.In post 756, Bins wrote:only scum would want more forked town
Okay, so here's the point of the setup. In a LYLO situation, we 100% want scum to be making the forks. Because they can't fork a victory. However, also in a LYLO situation, scum just has to sit and not fork anyone for three days to cause a scumwin.
So, the way a LYLO scenario should unfold is this. 1 day is the forked person who is scummiest is chosen (We will refer to this player as bins). Day 2 is Bins choosing and forking their preferred forks. Day 3 is another forked player (Let's call them Jingle) forking specifically them and a third already forked player if they refuse to fork.
If Bins is scum, that means we have one more dead scum player than expected and are not in fact in LYLO. It also potentially means Bins has to fork scum. If Bins is not scum, Bins has complete agency over their fork targets.
The number of forked townies is irrelevant to this process.
The reason additional forked townies is useful is because the deadline on this process is in fact, 3 Days. If we cannot decide who has to fork in LYLO in less than 24 hours, a town player in the forked pool can choose to extend that deadline by killing themselves and two forked players. We need 2 forked players to be able to guarantee we can't lose to mafia running out the clock. Therefore, every 3 players past two in the forked pool is a bonus to us.
Similarly, having additional forked scum players ISN'T a detriment, because they can't fork ftw. They can fork already forked people to reduce the deadline bank, but doing so doesn't really advance their wincondition. Basically, having additional, living forked players gives us semi trustworthy voices. Thus, forked scum aren't really a threat, and can be relatively safely ignored.
And yes, you should 100% coordinate forks to not overlap.
I'm not arguing against forking scum once. I'm arguing that the second fork on a scum player is useless when we're at low players, because if they are scum, they're already neutered.This is a Parachute.-
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Potential LYLO is 6 living (You have to fork two at a time). That means that only one of DT and nl should fork here, and then the most scummy of the 3 remaining forked players should be made to fork. I'd honestly prefer that DT fork whoever nl tells them to fork. Because we get more info from DT flip than nl flip.This is a Parachute.-
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NVM, they exist, I'm dumb.
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Eh, largely selfdoubt and other people saying you're likely scum. Should be between UT and Chara though.In post 773, TenRose wrote:
this is ordered right?In post 769, Jingle wrote:Jingle
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I would be surprised by a FL scum flip, but have no real read strength anywhere else.
why did your read on us change?
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First of all, yeah, I was of the belief we had more living players than we do (by one).
No. If we double fork two people here, we're at 5 Alive.In post 774, Bins wrote:OR we can do what i was suggesting, which is deny scum their kill by double-forking people, and stop having to preemptively fork town before we have no information
If we hit two scum, gg, we win. We would have won anyway.
If we hit 1 scum, 1 town we're at 5 alive and one town forked. who then has a 1/4+1/3 chance of winning the game. Woohoo, except for the fact that scum chose exactly who had the choice to fork, so... probably a loss there.
If we hit 0 scum, we're at 5 Alive, with scum's choice of town player to fork next. And they have to hit scum FIRST out of their choices. So... almost certainly a loss there.
Scum being forked and still alive here is 100% a nonissue.This is a Parachute.-
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FTFMIn post 777, Jingle wrote:Jingle
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And to be clear, I'm scumreading you because your plan is exactly: "Let's put the game in the hands of a person chosen by scum." Literally the only worse option would be to let the timer run down until we were in LYLO.In post 776, Bins wrote:youre only scumreading me for the fact I disagree with your clearly wrong game theoryThis is a Parachute.-
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FTFM: Forked is by definition not still alive.In post 778, Jingle wrote:Scum being forked and still around here is 100% a nonissue.This is a Parachute.-
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If no lunch and DT fork the same two people, SCUM CHOOSE THE PERSON WHO IS FORKED. REGARDLESS OF THE ALIGNMENTS OF THE PEOPLE NO LUNCH AND DT FORK.In post 782, Bins wrote:
when am I saying that??In post 780, Jingle wrote:
And to be clear, I'm scumreading you because your plan is exactly: "Let's put the game in the hands of a person chosen by scum." Literally the only worse option would be to let the timer run down until we were in LYLO.In post 776, Bins wrote:youre only scumreading me for the fact I disagree with your clearly wrong game theory
I'm saying we should FORK the forked scum player's so they cant make their move
when have i ever said i want scum to forkThis is a Parachute.-
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Honestly? I realized that my guttown on TenRose is still probably worth something, despite the fact that I don't trust myself to have accurate reads.In post 783, no lunch wrote:Why did these reads change?
Most of those reads aren't scumreads, merely the absence of townreads.This is a Parachute.
