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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 11:17 am

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VC 2.04
Sashaddin (3):
bob3141 , Ausuka , Garmr
Egix96 (2):
Exilon , u r a person 2
Garmr (1):
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skitter30 (1):
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Not Voting:
Lil Uzi Vert, Egix96, skitter30 , Inferno390

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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 11:26 am

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Hey Bob, what's your read on me at this moment?
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 11:27 am

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I know you're first on the wagon but you could have changed your mind or something
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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 11:34 am

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In post 1137, bob3141 wrote:Rui lynch- Egix96 , u r a person 2 , High Risk Gamble , Exilon , Ausuka , Sashaddin - plus one dead CDB

not on lynch

bob3141 , skitter30 , Garmr , , Inferno390 ( Lil Uzi -confirmed townie )

As everyone knows CDB was on sash lynch. So why was he killed?

Naturaly mafia would want to avoid being isolated so wouldnt they want to kill someone off the lynch.

Now do we have 2 or 3 mafia. With day one confirmed townie we might have a strong town and thus the high number.

With teh max mafia were woudl we find them. Are they all on rui wagon or are some hiding off it.

Of those hiding I think only inferno and skitter could be mafia
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post will go on

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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 11:44 am

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In post 1126, skitter30 wrote:On balance i don't think this looks like sash's scumgame, even if he is being kinda scummy in a vaccum.
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 1:04 pm

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Can I get updated thoughts from Egix on Bob and HRG

and updated thoughts from HRG on Bob and Egix?
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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 1:05 pm

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In post 1155, u r a person 2 wrote:Can I get updated thoughts from Egix on Bob and HRG

and updated thoughts from HRG on Bob and Egix?
Also thoughts from Ausuka on HRG, Bob, and Egix, please
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 4:25 pm

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In post 1128, Exilon wrote:Ok; I get it; I do have one question though.
And this feels a bit like day1 deja vu but:
you once again react to a post of mine by latching more to its form rather than its content, but then you don't do much with the content itself, which I feel isn't aligned with your claimed willingness to sort people and broaden your search.
And by that I mean, what do you think of the points I raised about Egix?
sometimes to me the form/tone/timing/writing style of the post is just as important (if not more important!) than the actual content of the post. for that post the tone stood out to me

wrt to the content -

i don't know. it just kinda ~is~
i don't find much of what you said to be compelling or convincing, and like i said, a lot of it feels iioa to me. like you're summarizing his posts and trajectory more than anything else? idk.
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:and I get what CDB is going for here and reading him as bullheaded town but I'm not so sure right now especially considering where Egix decided to go instead (inactives).
Nvm the fact he manages to keep his SR on CDB and keep his vote on him
while at the same time quoting him for truth (in 165, as mentioned previously) which I find quite ironic.
i feel like u kinda assume that if egix didn't explicitly state a change of read on cdb (or doesn't unovte him) he's still reading him the same way and you use this to highlight the oddity of egix qft'ing cdb while at the same time scumreading him.
i'm not sure egix was still scumreading him in ; it doesn't quite feel like a post someone usually says to a scumread

so like i don't particularly agree with this observation, because it's based on an assumption that i don't think is necessarily true
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:Like I'm not saying scum can't have genuine scumreads but if you're not sure of who's scummy (as Egix had stated previously), you're probably not going to give as much credit to your top suspicion's scumreads.
same with this ^^^^ i don't know if cdb is still egix's top suspicion's scumread at that point, he isn't really acting like he is really
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:By this point Sash's wagon starts picking up and Egix points out in176 that he doesn't see sash as scum.
iioa
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:205 and 206 are extreme fencesitting (still no unvote from CDB), and currently read to me as someone who is trying to set up a move to an eventual Rui wagon;
fence-sitting, sure, but i can see town making those posts too
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:233 is just amazing where egix follows CDB's suggestion and moves his vote over to Rui. See how his reasoning didn't actually evolve from 205 and 206?
again, this s=isn't like impossible for town to do; town do this all the time
like yes, you can look at this from a scummy angle, but it's not an inherently scummy action
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:347 sees Egix completely drop his SR on CDB without even a single mention to that change, or where it came from. In here, the main SRs are Rui and CBY, and suddenly Urap2 shows up as "third, I guess..."

But then Egix also drops this read on Urap2 in 503
iioa + town does this
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:In the eve of these great wagons, Egix changes a read on Inferno in 603; in 702 however he leaves quite explicit that RuiRui is the "closest thing to a scumread", which seems contrarian to his opinion on Inferno which at the very least had more substance to it than the reasoning he had for ruirui.

Jump forward another 200 or so posts and in 909 you get what could be an attempt to further analyse Inferno? 910 also does the same, but it's funny because it seems to me that Egix misreads Ausuka here, as Ausuka points out soon after. Egix doesn't bother following up on this.

There is some back and forth here between Egix and Inferno which isn't really accusatory in any way and is very dialogical between one or the other (see 959, and omce again I'm left to wonder if the scumread on Inferno was also dropped without real mention.
more iioa. and why does imply that the scumread on inferno was dropped
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:In summary, Egix's reads have been made for show,
are non-commital, weak, and inconsistent between themselves.
His voting (and lack thereof) supports a scum agenda.
i still don't know if this is inherently scum-indicative really
i'm also not sure i agree with u that egix' reads ahve been made for show

so like overall i'm ehhhh about the content of this post; i don't find it very compelling. i feel like u summarize egix' iso and describe how his reads change as being scummy when i don't think it inherently is

so like idk. the content just kinda is. i can tell u put a lot of time/effort into it but like i don't agree with most of it or find it novel or an interesting approach to the game.

i do think the way you approached it looks liek the way i post as scum sometimes tho, which is why i hgihlighted that to begin with
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 4:30 pm

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In post 1146, u r a person 2 wrote:So, if I'm reading you correctly, the result of your analysis is that you think Ausuka is scum?

I'm not trying to be dismissive, it's just a little tough for me to locate your conclusions
same, can you maybe summarize it again @bob
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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 4:31 pm

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In post 1154, Sashaddin wrote:
In post 1126, skitter30 wrote:On balance i don't think this looks like sash's scumgame, even if he is being kinda scummy in a vaccum.
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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 4:31 pm

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kinda want to go here

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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 4:48 pm

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In post 1160, skitter30 wrote:kinda want to go here

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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 4:48 pm

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ok, why?
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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 5:08 pm

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His attitude changed a lot towards me in Day 1. He wanted my lynch, for info he said, but was still defending me against the pushes of others (Garmr and Bob). He ended up on Ruirui's wagon but still wanted to lynch me. His actions seem more town to me. I don't see scum playing like this, it doesn't pass my smell test.

Against others, his posts were rational and inquisitive. Another town trait to me.

I could write a few sentences more but I gotta run, I hope this is enough for you to see my point.
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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 7:26 pm

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In post 1163, Sashaddin wrote:His attitude changed a lot towards me in Day 1. He wanted my lynch, for info he said, but was still defending me against the pushes of others (Garmr and Bob). He ended up on Ruirui's wagon but still wanted to lynch me. His actions seem more town to me. I don't see scum playing like this, it doesn't pass my smell test.

Against others, his posts were rational and inquisitive. Another town trait to me.

I could write a few sentences more but I gotta run, I hope this is enough for you to see my point.
I town read Excel but the way you described the events make him seem scummy.
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:22 pm

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In post 1117, Sashaddin wrote:
In post 1115, High Risk Gamble wrote:VOTE: Skitter

This is where we really should be lynching today.
And I don't want to vote outside of Skitter, Bob, and Ausuka either.
Skitter is not my first choice here, but since we talked she's the one I'm most curious to see flip.
Why don't you like the Egix wagon, HRG?
Well Egix doesn't look like scum here.
And if I'm wrong on my scum reads then I'm going with deep wolf in my town reads rather than my town lean reads.

You can explain further why I should vote Egix though.
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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:23 pm

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In post 1124, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1115, High Risk Gamble wrote:VOTE: Skitter

This is where we really should be lynching today.
And I don't want to vote outside of Skitter, Bob, and Ausuka either.
I kinda feel like this stems from a playstyle clash more than anything else, but go for it
Possibly so.
I'm currently in the middle of reading 2 scum games with you in.
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Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:24 pm

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In post 1127, Garmr wrote:
In post 1115, High Risk Gamble wrote:VOTE: Skitter

This is where we really should be lynching today.
And I don't want to vote outside of Skitter, Bob, and Ausuka either.
I have a strong town read on two of those, skitter is a nullish at the momment.
Outside of Sash, where would you be voting?
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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:24 pm

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In post 1131, Inferno390 wrote:Our dog went to the emergency room, he’s really really sick. Don’t know if he’ll make it. Assume I’m on V/LA until further notice.
That's sad to hear, all the best.
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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:30 pm

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In post 1144, bob3141 wrote:Ausuka post even looked like pre excuse for him jumping off. Yet not preventing him jumping it on a later date.

There even looks like posts were he is trying to fabricate fall guys for that lynch if sash turns out town. And if sash is his scum buddy it could give him an excuse to jump off. Ironicly him being that scum he is talking out
So what's your read on Ausuka as a whole and are you willing to vote there?
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 8:33 pm

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UNVOTE: Skitter
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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 10:24 pm

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I feel gaslighted. Preface, I *hate* feeling gaslighted.
In post 1157, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1128, Exilon wrote:Ok; I get it; I do have one question though.
And this feels a bit like day1 deja vu but:
you once again react to a post of mine by latching more to its form rather than its content, but then you don't do much with the content itself, which I feel isn't aligned with your claimed willingness to sort people and broaden your search.
And by that I mean, what do you think of the points I raised about Egix?
sometimes to me the form/tone/timing/writing style of the post is just as important (if not more important!) than the actual content of the post. for that post the tone stood out to me

wrt to the content -

i don't know. it just kinda ~is~
i don't find much of what you said to be compelling or convincing, and like i said, a lot of it feels iioa to me. like you're summarizing his posts and trajectory more than anything else? idk.
and drawing conclusions, obviously.
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:and I get what CDB is going for here and reading him as bullheaded town but I'm not so sure right now especially considering where Egix decided to go instead (inactives).
Nvm the fact he manages to keep his SR on CDB and keep his vote on him
while at the same time quoting him for truth (in 165, as mentioned previously) which I find quite ironic.
i feel like u kinda assume that if egix didn't explicitly state a change of read on cdb (or doesn't unovte him) he's still reading him the same way and you use this to highlight the oddity of egix qft'ing cdb while at the same time scumreading him.
i'm not sure egix was still scumreading him in ; it doesn't quite feel like a post someone usually says to a scumread

so like i don't particularly agree with this observation, because it's based on an assumption that i don't think is necessarily true
YOUR OWN assumption is also not necessarily true, especially because two posts later in his words are still aligned with a CDB scumread. And still voting for him.

which is a problem in itself that because if people have to assume how your reads changed and it's not telegraphed clearly it's harming town and scum can easily use that for easy escapes when confronted with them.

It's like driving down the road without using turn signals.

Even without regarding the above, the worst part to me is how you ignore Egix's own words about the subject:
In post 1130, Egix96 wrote:[...]
In post 1068, Exilon wrote: a) from your own posting and actions your suspicion of cdb was fading at the same time you were calling him scummy. Like literally the same post. Even putting that aside, you're not justfiying here how exactly your suspicion faded. You're just saying it did, which is the same conclusion me and anyone can reach by looking at your ISO.

b) What is this even addressing? Once again, you're just stating what happened. Worst to me is that you're not even addressing the main reason of why I found that to be dissonant.
a) IIRC the main reason why my CDB suspicion faded was because of him moving his vote in . I was finding it hard to see why he would do that as scum when he could have just kept pushing me.


b) I thought your issue with me there was that I was keeping my vote on Rui despite being suspicious of Inferno. If your actual main issue was that my reasoning seemed better re:Inferno, then... well like, that's just your opinion, man?
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Which annoys me to
absolutely
no end because a) you're discrediting my interpretation of it, which is actually correct; b) you ignored the information that you had available to do so.

Do NOT gaslight me.
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:Like I'm not saying scum can't have genuine scumreads but if you're not sure of who's scummy (as Egix had stated previously), you're probably not going to give as much credit to your top suspicion's scumreads.
same with this ^^^^ i don't know if cdb is still egix's top suspicion's scumread at that point, he isn't really acting like he is really
read above.
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:205 and 206 are extreme fencesitting (still no unvote from CDB), and currently read to me as someone who is trying to set up a move to an eventual Rui wagon;
fence-sitting, sure, but i can see town making those posts too
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:233 is just amazing where egix follows CDB's suggestion and moves his vote over to Rui. See how his reasoning didn't actually evolve from 205 and 206?
again, this s=isn't like impossible for town to do; town do this all the time
like yes, you can look at this from a scummy angle, but it's not an inherently scummy action
What do town do often? Sheep a wagon from their previously top scumread?
At that point IIRC Egix had been voting CDB, and his suspicion had been fading, but then he sheeps that vote? Like there aren't only 3 people in this game. Either CDB went from top scumread to top townread or something along those lines, and everyone inbetween was null and not worth trusting, or Egix's own suspicion wasn't even that strong to begin with.
Which is fine and possibly town, but it's still a terrible look for him.
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:347 sees Egix completely drop his SR on CDB without even a single mention to that change, or where it came from. In here, the main SRs are Rui and CBY, and suddenly Urap2 shows up as "third, I guess..."

But then Egix also drops this read on Urap2 in 503
iioa + town does this
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:In the eve of these great wagons, Egix changes a read on Inferno in 603; in 702 however he leaves quite explicit that RuiRui is the "closest thing to a scumread",
which seems contrarian to his opinion on Inferno which at the very least had more substance to it than the reasoning he had for ruirui.


Jump forward another 200 or so posts and in 909
you get what could be an attempt to further analyse Inferno? 910 also does the same, but it's funny because it seems to me that Egix misreads Ausuka here, as Ausuka points out soon after
. Egix doesn't bother following up on this.

There is some back and forth here between Egix and Inferno
which isn't really accusatory in any way and is very dialogical between one or the other (see 959, and omce again I'm left to wonder if the scumread on Inferno was also dropped without real mention.
more iioa. and why does imply that the scumread on inferno was dropped
Bolded is analysis and interpretation, very obviously, so I don't even know what you're looking at here that makes you say that. You keep invoking this IIOA thing without regard to the purpose of the information which is really dismissive and akin to a fallacy fallacy.

wrt to that last question, I could have worded that better. It's not that implies the SR was dropped, but rather the whole exchange. 959 is example of the dialogue.
In post 1043, Exilon wrote:In summary, Egix's reads have been made for show,
are non-commital, weak, and inconsistent between themselves.
His voting (and lack thereof) supports a scum agenda.
i still don't know if this is inherently scum-indicative really
i'm also not sure i agree with u that egix' reads ahve been made for show

so like overall i'm ehhhh about the content of this post; i don't find it very compelling. i feel like u summarize egix' iso and describe how his reads change as being scummy when i don't think it inherently is

so like idk. the content just kinda is. i can tell u put a lot of time/effort into it but like i don't agree with most of it or find it novel or an interesting approach to the game.

i do think the way you approached it looks liek the way i post as scum sometimes tho, which is why i hgihlighted that to begin with
And now you're strawmanning. My main conclusion is that the way he's been playing supports a scum agenda, which justifies a vote. It's literally there, written just outside of your bolding.

I do hope your vote isn't the byproduct of your projecting.
Feels like I've been here before.
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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 10:52 pm

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In post 1165, High Risk Gamble wrote:You can explain further why I should vote Egix though.
Oh no, I won't try to comvince you, I just wanted to know to have a meaning of your pov. I'm not voting there either.
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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2019 11:01 pm

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In post 1155, u r a person 2 wrote:Can I get updated thoughts from Egix on Bob and HRG
Aorn if I had to vote either Bob or Gamble, I would vote Gamble.

Will that do for now?
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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Thu May 09, 2019 12:06 am

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In post 1173, Egix96 wrote:
In post 1155, u r a person 2 wrote:Can I get updated thoughts from Egix on Bob and HRG
Aorn if I had to vote either Bob or Gamble, I would vote Gamble.

Will that do for now?
not really but that in itself is an answer
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