Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

Chemist at least is a coalition member for me + I can't imagine either member pairing with each other as scum
Titus/Chennis is also an optimal removal
Ankamius/Clemency sure

[RadiantCowbells]

Nancefloor how the fuck are you voting with mbaki oka bef overkill right now

What do you think scum are bussing right now?

[RadiantCowbells]

Feel free to vote me so I don't have to play this shitty game anymore

[RadiantCowbells]

Scum wouldn't bus here ever and you're fine with a wagon that includes someone who is always scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't buy your implication that overkill voted because he knew he was scummy and would stall the wagon out.

[RadiantCowbells]

So Ank is scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Ank/Overkill/???

[RadiantCowbells]

He's clearly baiting you into voting

I don't believe town you is dumb enough to take the bait

I do buy this as scum theatre so you can vote a TvT pairing and not take the fall for it.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Ankamius/Clemency

Boring

[RadiantCowbells]

You are scumreading someone who is absent sitewide

[RadiantCowbells]

What do you think about Over + Clem being scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Sure just look for the 1 remaining scum in 14 people.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're also not willing to vote me even when I just gave you permission to despite lockscumming overkill and your associatives with him making no sense at all so

[RadiantCowbells]

Why not just vote me and overkill

It solves literally all of your theoretical problems

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean

I don't want to play this game anymore

[RadiantCowbells]

With the amount of time I've put into this game not particularly and most of my mental effort has been required to be put towards defending the creature pairing as opposed to actually reading it so

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: BEF

[RadiantCowbells]

Was it worth it?

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi sky

[RadiantCowbells]

We're lynching it b/c if it's town it's lynchbait

[RadiantCowbells]

Also b/c if bef is town we have a pretty good idea that scum were pushing him yday

[RadiantCowbells]

That's shorthand for not in my coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

Do I have to respond to that

[RadiantCowbells]

Fuck you now I'd feel bad if I replaced out

[RadiantCowbells]

Pietus and Stargazer

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly, there are three major wagons, let's kill one and veto the other two

townie post

Oh honey

Scummy post

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't townread Ankamius but I also don't care enough about losing to her to lynch her.

[RadiantCowbells]

I stopped playing to win this game a long time ago

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm tired. I have a lot going on and when I have free time I want to do relaxing shit and not play mafia

[RadiantCowbells]

That was always the plan, Stark

[RadiantCowbells]

This was always the plan, Stark

[RadiantCowbells]

i think titus is town

it's chennis that i'm worried about.

[RadiantCowbells]

write me a love poem and i'll consider sheeping your ank read

[RadiantCowbells]

i need one from dannflor as well ftr

[RadiantCowbells]

you can also write me a love poem

[RadiantCowbells]

it's incorrect to burn veto or vengeful right now

i've told you that i've explained the math behind it

i won't have the time or force of will to prevent them going through, please just don't do it.

[RadiantCowbells]

nance help me bus you pls

[RadiantCowbells]

chennis/titus for scumflips
oka/bef for best coalitions

[RadiantCowbells]

I am not speaking a word of my coalition until the first coalition has already gone through.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have some unorthodox reads and if I'm wrong I don't want to influence other people to be wrong with me.

[RadiantCowbells]

team player RC had a 60% town winrate.

god emperor RC has a 73% town winrate.

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't want to be a part of your coalition btw.

[RadiantCowbells]

i am by FAR the best town player here. none of the people who are comparable or better than me are present.

[RadiantCowbells]

i have

literally

no difficulties giving reads as scum

you're going the wrong way with regards to dealing with scum me.

[RadiantCowbells]

i already

heavily encouraged

that you run a coalition without me because i don't want the immediate reaction if the coalition fails to be "RC IS DEEPWOLFING"

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm handing you counterplay options against scum me. use them instead of fucking with my ability to win them as town.

[RadiantCowbells]

what you're doing tmck is literally no obstacle to scum me but is a heavy pain in the ass for town me.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC
Prince of Renais
Severa
Prince Lyon
Tohru

[RadiantCowbells]

i'll be involved in my coalition.

[RadiantCowbells]

i think it suggests the opposite but ok

[RadiantCowbells]

ftr unpopular opinion but i think okapoka is the one likely to flip scum in this pairing. bef lynch is more due diligence

[RadiantCowbells]

thanks for coming to your performance review

[RadiantCowbells]

haha me putting in effort rofl

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm the best!

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

i'll sell you on it

just not today

[RadiantCowbells]

have you considered not joining games with me if you feel that way?
there's a lot of people who enjoy playing with me, believe it or not.

[RadiantCowbells]

and most of the people who don't enjoy playing with me don't enjoy playing with me because they can't find a way to deal with my scumgame that doesn't break the game apart when I'm town, not because they dislike me like you seem to. you know most people don't get offended at the assertion that someone who has played this game as long as I have might be better than them at it.

[RadiantCowbells]

oh shit this is the last relevant day

look ank i have other shit going on

oka is mostly gutread and the way that he's interacted with me, suggesting reveals and such, it doesn't feel like he's the kind of person to actually do that.

[RadiantCowbells]

it's really, really, really, really, really, not true at all what you just asserted.
my scum game would be far easier if I didn't play as fast and loose as I do as town. i cannot imitate certain things that I frequently do as town now as scum.
if I tried to play to make my scum game easier that would involve playing a lot more by the book and a lot more traditional town leader-y
which I often can't get away with as scum because if there isn't that

spark

and flightiness or whatever present people who know me get antsy

my town meta of today is far harder to imitate than my town meta used to be in like 2016 where I'd literally just say 'yo lynch this fuck'

[RadiantCowbells]

as an aside i think that bef/oka is the single best 2x town lynch we could possibly lynch

[RadiantCowbells]

like i said a couple pages ago, trying to pin me down just makes things way easier for scum me because I get to do what I'm good at, manipulating people, instead of what I'm bad at, imitating my town playstyle.

[RadiantCowbells]

Who are your first two scum today

[RadiantCowbells]

hi maria

[RadiantCowbells]

because i don't actually have to sort you

[RadiantCowbells]

if you flirt with me I will consider not lynching you

[RadiantCowbells]

she's JE right not mbaki

[RadiantCowbells]

so we're agreeing i was right on mbaki?

[RadiantCowbells]

no

you have to say i was right on mbaki

[RadiantCowbells]

you were wrong before too

you have to say

you were wrong and i was right

[RadiantCowbells]

and you have to call me RadiantKittybells b/c taly isn't here anymore

[RadiantCowbells]

no you have to say wrong

you can't just say not right

[RadiantCowbells]

being wrong is more than the absence of rightness

[RadiantCowbells]

:\

[RadiantCowbells]

ty

i'm sigging it after game

[RadiantCowbells]

we're not wasting vengeful now

i will not throw a fit if we veto before coalition but i will absolutely throw a fit if we try to venge before coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh I vastly prefer coalition first

I'm just

not threatening to rain hellfire on people who push veto whereas I am threatening to rain hellfire on people who push vengeful

VOTE: Coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

pay attention to me maria

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not going on my johnnyenglish read for your slot I want to sort you bby

so pay attention to me

[RadiantCowbells]

because if we fail coalition due to not vetoing first (1 less townread required) we're winning anyway based off of the strength of our reads
whereas if we would have failed whether we vetoed, it's much more useful to be able to use veto to clear slots in the coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

it's not as literally gamethrowing as burning vengeful but i do think it's suboptimal

but not suboptimal enough to be willing to fight with you over.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

my logic is

we have 14 people alive -> need 8 coalition

if we veto 4 slots that aren't included in the coalition, -> we need 7 coalition

if that veto made us win or lose that means the top 7 townreads were town and the eighth townread was scum... in which case we're going to win this game regardless of where we place veto
if someone is deepwolfing, however, the veto after lets us clear through the pool guaranteed to contain scum much more quickly

[RadiantCowbells]

its 8

doesn't change the logic though

[RadiantCowbells]

we're coalitioning twice.

the first is not including me and is being done by the game as a whole
the second i'm doing by myself.

[RadiantCowbells]

if you're town i want you in my coalition mariar.

pls effort to towntell and whatever

[RadiantCowbells]

no one is lynching you through me.

[RadiantCowbells]

lol at 1 of 4 with 3 scum alive

[RadiantCowbells]

how was your day, maria?

[RadiantCowbells]

i thought you were good at mafia.

[RadiantCowbells]

what kind of sub?

[RadiantCowbells]

Coalition fails

Veto bottom 4 members

[RadiantCowbells]

i needed an easy game to pad my stats, shush

[RadiantCowbells]

sink

[RadiantCowbells]

No u

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: coalition

Hammer

[RadiantCowbells]

Wow thank you for that

[RadiantCowbells]

You ruined my reaction test

I was gonna catch all the scums

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm bored

[RadiantCowbells]

I am also drunk

[RadiantCowbells]

Cant ruin my 11/4 record

But I also literally don't care about the game

[RadiantCowbells]

Higazer

[RadiantCowbells]

I am the crush btw

this is a gr8 concert

[RadiantCowbells]

Leave me out of your coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

If you include me in your coalition I'm excluding myself from mine and I promise you mine is a shit ton more likely to succeed than yours.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, by forcing rcs hand here, were not letting him double hide scum in his coalition, I will say there is certainly a deepwolf in this seeing how okay everyone is with it, but I'm really thinking maybe overkill titus moon? Idk not including rc means that I'm pretty sure coalition fails for too many nullreads to veto

Like moon might be bluffing here hoping well let him in. I'm willing to have my mind changed on RC, but I think I'm right

what does this mean?

[RadiantCowbells]

including me will significantly hurt towns chances of winning this game if this is going to be a hard game.

[RadiantCowbells]

i haven't read a single coalition and i'll say with near 100% certainty that the coalition fails.

[RadiantCowbells]

my coalition won't tho

this game is ez

[RadiantCowbells]

i'll actually be mad if you guys succeed

[RadiantCowbells]

include maria she's adorable

[RadiantCowbells]

the only way town loses this is if we lose faith in me being town.

[RadiantCowbells]

b/c if i'm in both coalitions and the coalitions fail people are going to immediately assume it failed because i was scum.

then i can't get protected, then i end up dying, then you guys have shit reads and throw the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

you should try planning around me being town rather than me being scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Who does the vca tell you

[RadiantCowbells]

Hmm

Bribe me

[RadiantCowbells]

Bef was lynched to confirm that the wagon on them was scum motivated as opposed to SvS so that we can end the game here.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll tell you after we win

[RadiantCowbells]

Those who select dance are thought crazy by those who can't hear the music~

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I could hear the music

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you an alt or a newer player?

[RadiantCowbells]

Are you an alt of a site member

Or are you a player coming here from offsite

[RadiantCowbells]

I haven't tried to find the answer

I'm not wasting time playing this game until this coalition fails

[RadiantCowbells]

Uhh test it out here Ank?

[RadiantCowbells]

No I meant when

Although I won't be sad if the coalition succeeds obviously

[RadiantCowbells]

I want my 12/4 idrc how it happens

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not understanding what you're trying to say

[RadiantCowbells]

Never playing quiz thanks

[RadiantCowbells]

Duppence is duppence.

[RadiantCowbells]

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?

[RadiantCowbells]

quiz is essentially gamethrowing.

[RadiantCowbells]

the rewards are minimal if we're right and the cost is extreme if we're wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

did

a single player

suggest putting nancefloor in veto

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm the cutest

[RadiantCowbells]

Veto: people who don't think i'm the cutest

[RadiantCowbells]

i think we should veto nancefloor

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

<3

[RadiantCowbells]

if you ask for a sausage breakfast sandwich at tim hortons on a croissant what kind of croissant will they immediately suggest

you have 1 minute to answer or you're a fake canadian

[RadiantCowbells]

i am sofakingdone

[RadiantCowbells]

hi not drunk

i'm the person who just mislynched you, again

[RadiantCowbells]

s

or

ry

[RadiantCowbells]

A while ago.

[RadiantCowbells]

i resent the fact of my being good as scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't actually want to rub it in your face i want it to just go away i'm not even proud of it anymore i'm just done.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

it's time for me to say my piece

I AM ACTUALLY THE REPICKER. TMCK IS CONFIRMED SCUM.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's why TMCK opposed the scum lynch on fuscosco despite being the only counterwagon to him, by the way.

[RadiantCowbells]

moongrass is the scumbuddy

[RadiantCowbells]

no i'm not ccing and anyone who thinks that i am is very silly

[RadiantCowbells]

im free dear annie

[RadiantCowbells]

im free dear annie

this was in reference to newbie 1929 btw, not this game.

i didn't even realize this game was hammered.

[RadiantCowbells]

when u look at that list of people supporting the coalition
why do u ever think that's gonna be a win

[RadiantCowbells]

Me good

[RadiantCowbells]

Me v cute

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Skygazer

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to do my coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

It is my coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

The people in my coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

60006

[RadiantCowbells]

I would like you to not place me in your coalition but I got placed in your coalition anyway

[RadiantCowbells]

Vote Count 3.2.3

Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency, Creature, NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, themilkcartonkid (8)

: Moongrass, Chemist1422, Creature, chennisden, Time Devil, NanceFloor, MariaR, Ankamius

Not Voting (6): RadiantCowbells, Skygazer, Clemency, 0verki11, Titus, themilkcartonkid

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to select a coalition of 8.

The deadline for choosing a coalition is 19 May 12:30am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2019-05-19 00:30:00)

What is this wagon even dear lord

I thought it was tmck led

[RadiantCowbells]

The inevitability of people calling me scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Why does it bother you more to potentially lose to me than to anyone else in this game?

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't want to do veto here because there aren't 4 slots in that coalition that i think could be scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

if i don't get to do my coalition i'm done efforting for this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

it's the equivalent of d2

seems like the perfect tiime to start panicking about deepwolves

wait i just realized every time i've said that recently i've been scum deepwolfing

[RadiantCowbells]

bad ankamius

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: protect

fact: me dying = bad
fact: protecting me = good

[RadiantCowbells]

all i asked

was one coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

it's not a strategic consideration

it's an i don't care enough about this game to put the time into writing my coalition and justifying it

[RadiantCowbells]

wasn't the whole point of using veto to clear the coalition pool

why are there so many suggestions with no coalition members

[RadiantCowbells]

that

entirely defeats the purpose of using it to clean up the coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

not my consensus townreads.

[RadiantCowbells]

aren't you the princess of "town win is by lynching all scum, not some of them?"

[RadiantCowbells]

i guess that's not necessarily the best approach given the existence of 1 of 4

[RadiantCowbells]

but in that case why did we blow coalition in the first place?

[RadiantCowbells]

my reads are plenty progressed

i just don't care for what everyone else is doing

[RadiantCowbells]

like i'm not quite sure how i should approach this situation

because it feels like you all are playing a totally different game

[RadiantCowbells]

that's not what I said?

[RadiantCowbells]

sorry like you guys had your coalition, it failed
now I want to have a shot at ending this game so no one else has to deal with this shitshow anymore and I'm being selfish?
I had 0 input on the previous coalition. that was the agreement. you didn't even exclude me like I asked. a shit coalition got passed and we're not even going to veto in it?

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm not smothering the game like you claim, and if you're not scum trying to prevent me from getting a coalition off i'm not sure why you're doing what you're doing rn.

i'm not trying to make an enemy or piss anyone off i just don't understand

[RadiantCowbells]

i didn't even want the dance, i just wanted to go straight into coalition. everyone insisted on narrowing the pool first and dance was better than blowing veto or venge

because I've been stuck in the same rut for like 3 weeks now and you're literally advocating for a play that will do nothing but kill two of my townreads

what exactly is the benefit of that fmpov

you

already

know

your

townreads

are

wrong

[RadiantCowbells]

if we haven't found the scum in the coalition by midgame i'm going to end up lynched or revealed on paranoia. that's not happening.

cleaning up your collective mess is priority #1 here.

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't understand your reluctance to lynch in a pool that is confirmed to contain scum. i don't.

[RadiantCowbells]

why do they matter?

everyone's advocating doing the exact opposite of what I want anyway, outing my reads just makes it easier for you guys to zero on on exactly who i am most townreading to speedlynch them

ftr

I'm mad at you specifically because you're advocating these plays that do nothing to help me get anywhere in the game and you've resisted actually playing with us when I asked and then told you to multiple times

I thought I proved that I'd work with you if you worked with me with the Oka/BEF thing but I'm not going to sit here and pull teeth every day phase for you to work with us

do you think i should be prioritizing 'getting you anywhere in the game' or finishing this game as cleanly and painlessly as possible for all parties

[RadiantCowbells]

you just started the coalition vote that failed

have u considered that maybe your idea of the way things are might not actually correlate all that well to the way that things actually are

[RadiantCowbells]

reaching out to me?

half of what you've said this day phase and last day phase is about how i'm scum and planning contingency measures around me being scum

[RadiantCowbells]

doesn't feel to me like you care overly much about losing this game unless you lose it to scum me.

[RadiantCowbells]

you don't get to tell me to jump through the hoops as you tell me to jump through them and then say I'm shutting down efforts to play with you when I refuse.
you don't get to hold me hostage off of the presumption that I care more about this game's outcome than you do.

[RadiantCowbells]

if you had given me my coalition like you had agreed to we wouldn't have to be having this argument right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

as soon as I out my coalition scum know whether or not they instantly lose if they don't oppose it.
concealing my reads leaves scum in a difficult situation where they cannot know whether or not I actually have the game solved when they either support or don't support my coalition. reactions when the coalition comes out will be game solving in and of themselves; that coalition was obviously bust by the people who supported it.

i have a game to win. i can either play to win this game or i can play to alleviate your concerns about me deepwolfing, but not both.

[RadiantCowbells]

hey guys

dannflor might be a deepwolf

[RadiantCowbells]

if i'm scum why would i care whether you know what my reads are

[RadiantCowbells]

{NanceFloor, RadiantCowbells, themilkcartonkid}
{Skygazer, Creature}
{Ankamius, Chemist1422}
{Clemency}

[RadiantCowbells]

{ank, clem, chemist} + 1 of sky or creature unless we want to like throw a really scummy outside slot in the +1

[RadiantCowbells]

have i mentioned i thought that dannflor was deepwolfing

[RadiantCowbells]

Not shocked by that RC col
it's gonna fail but ayyyy I'll vote it just to prove a point

??

that's not my coalition

that's my ranking of the players in the previous coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

no we can't because tmck decided he didn't want to give me my coalition

[RadiantCowbells]

he's deepwoofin so hard he's not even in the thred

[RadiantCowbells]

order doesn't matter in rows

[RadiantCowbells]

Hint

You won't get 3 scum