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What does this line mean?In post 1349, Detective Pikachu wrote:I feel like early game scumreads on this slot were above average to come from town103-11 0-2- u r a person 2
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I agreed with her that his analysis was heavy on the iioa, so i don't think that's wrong. What makes it not a townie case? I think that entire post and case is well within both of skitters ranges (town and scum)In post 1350, Detective Pikachu wrote:I don't think 1157 not striking me as a townie case on exilon is a personality trait103-11 0-2- Detective Pikachu
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that I think I might have been voting inferno within the first 100 posts so I don't think people voting that slot, if inferno is town, are scummy for doing soIn post 1351, u r a person 2 wrote:
What does this line mean?In post 1349, Detective Pikachu wrote:I feel like early game scumreads on this slot were above average to come from town
it's helpful for me to get a grip on the game by thinking through when people are scummy since sorting scummy pushes from townie pushes can help in the long run
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Can you point to an example where skitter scumreads someone for an excess of iioa as town?In post 1352, u r a person 2 wrote:
I agreed with her that his analysis was heavy on the iioa, so i don't think that's wrong. What makes it not a townie case? I think that entire post and case is well within both of skitters ranges (town and scum)In post 1350, Detective Pikachu wrote:I don't think 1157 not striking me as a townie case on exilon is a personality trait- Egix96
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- I touched on this in 233 but the specifics are that in Mini 2054, where both Sasha and I were town, I had a look at his ISO from the Mini Normal where he was scum with Garmr (can't remember the number atm) and found that, compared to 2054, he was a lot less awkward and had more of an air of knowing what he was doing. Here in this game, I'm leaning town on him based on what I've seen of his meta.In post 1344, Detective Pikachu wrote:I'd like to know the meta reasons mentioned in 176
when did you ever say inferno was town? I feel like I missed something in 603
- Hm yeah, I might not have explicitly said that I was townleaning Inferno, but that was what I was thinking prior to that point.- Detective Pikachu
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Well I'm not at all in love with my initial solve but it's something like this
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urap / inferno
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I have basically 0 confidence right now that I don't have scum in the top 3 or that I have more than 2 scum in the bottom 3, that's just kinda the reverse order I think I'd lynch in at this moment
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My skitter reads not a strong read as I used term slight. Before he was largely null read for me but my gut instinct is telling me that he is town. Him being in my group c makes me think he is less likely scum than other candidates.
Think i already went over the last bit but prob wasn't clearly laid out. I originally thought sash was scum but as the wagon went i started to get an unnerving feeling that he was simply scum town. Which made me think if he is town why did his lynch fail.
Was I falling foul of logical fallacy or was I originally right. The logical fallacy being that if i know or think half the wagon is town that must mean he is scum. So i started looking at the wagons and the NK generally. With no inherent bais to avoid simply falling into a logical fallacy . After i posted the initial bits about logical groupings of players. Something about ausuka just rang alarm bells. Hence by 2 sentence post directed towards ausuka.
If Sash is town then asuka was prime real estate for being scum. He switched his vote for rui in such a way that it felt scum trying to hide his move by saying he was trying to avoid a no lynch. Felt to me like a smart move from scum. He either got his sach lynch if he waited, as it was only clear it wasn't going though shortly before he hopped on to rui.
Added to that i felt he tried to over explain his action and I do feel a slight Omgus in his reaction. To what amounted to an indirect question to him about first him trying to keep a hand in both rui and sach lynch. Secondly his rather early assessment of sashs lynch.
Finally is sach was town and both urp2 and ausuka are town. Then I can't imagine why mafia simply didn't hammer sach.
Since they would have ended up on the rui lynch anyway- bob3141
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And start of day 2 in relation sach. He started with faulty logic when trying to push against gamr. Effectively saying him being alive was evidence that he was scum, even though he argued he looked scummy. So i put it to him in effect, why would you expect gamr to die if he was town if you think he is scummy- Detective Pikachu
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In post 650, tris wrote:
this far in the day there could be 2+ scum on the lynch wagon and yet the people on the wagon don't seem that scummy to me, which makes me wonder whether there's an issue with my reads. I do think ausuka is probably the scummiest from the ruirui wagonIn post 851, tris wrote:
I need to review why LUV was actually on sasha... hmm
It makes me very nervous having bob/ausuka/garmr as the three pushing sasha at start of day today. That being said I don't think bob/aususuka/garmr is all three scum, I'd say that's unlikely, but I feel like there is easily one scum in the threeIn post 1150, tris wrote:- u r a person 2
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No, I can't. I was saying that I agreed with her assessment of Exilon's analysis. The personality trait (with all due respect, skitter) is primarily the hint of stubborn-ness that she is exhibiting.In post 1355, Detective Pikachu wrote:Can you point to an example where skitter scumreads someone for an excess of iioa as town?
The town tells are the penchant for real time interactions, the conviction with which she holds her reads, and the, I don't know how to describe it, the willingness to continue the debate over those reads.
Like I said tho, she is more capable of breaking that mold than I was told to expect a couple months ago. There is zero chance that I'm voting here day 1, though. That would be kinda nuts.103-11 0-2- Detective Pikachu
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cause it was day 1 lol, a lot of scum are like, "I don't wanna really be noticed for doing anything" day 1, including hammeringIn post 1359, bob3141 wrote:Finally is sach was town and both urp2 and ausuka are town. Then I can't imagine why mafia simply didn't hammer sach.
Since they would have ended up on the rui lynch anyway
the way sasha treated the hammer is one of the best reasons to townread him imo (unless I'm hilariously wrong)- Detective Pikachu
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who wants to play "is this a townslip?"In post 1362, u r a person 2 wrote:that I'm voting here day 1
does scum forget that we're on day 2? lol- bob3141
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Hence my theory that mafia hoped onto the rui lynch from the sach lynch. Might be only one on sach to begin with but since maybe they dint want to hammer they jumped into the rui wagon before it got to L-1In post 1363, Detective Pikachu wrote:
cause it was day 1 lol, a lot of scum are like, "I don't wanna really be noticed for doing anything" day 1, including hammeringIn post 1359, bob3141 wrote:Finally is sach was town and both urp2 and ausuka are town. Then I can't imagine why mafia simply didn't hammer sach.
Since they would have ended up on the rui lynch anyway
the way sasha treated the hammer is one of the best reasons to townread him imo (unless I'm hilariously wrong)
And after my questioning of sach over the hammer that is one thing that increases decreased my leanign towards himbeing scum. As i think if he was scum he would of played for no lynch (not even mentioned hammering). But at start of day 2 teh interaction between sach asking gamr if he wanted to hammer did feel odd. And made me belive he hoped someone else would hammer. Although he woudlnt avoid blame for teh lynch, he coudl simpy, say he woudl have. makign it a pool of 8 not 7. But Ive since moved to the later beign unlikely to be the case.- Sashaddin
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Mini normal 2044In post 1356, Egix96 wrote:I had a look at his ISO from the Mini Normal where he was scum with Garmr (can't remember the number atm) and found that, compared to 2054, he was a lot less awkward and had more of an air of knowing what he was doing. Here in this game, I'm leaning town on him based on what I've seen of his meta.
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In post 834, Sashaddin wrote:
Oh, I can hammer, I was just asked to wait. Not trying to convince you to do it now, I just wanted to know what was better from your pov, I'm learning a lot in this game, I ask questions.In post 833, Garmr wrote:Tbh your list has me and other town reads scum also scum reads as town. So if I have to choose I'd pick to lynch you over rui rui. Why are you trying to convince me to hammer fui through can't you do it yourself?
What I understand is that since our reads are opposite, you assume I'm scum.In post 851, tris wrote:
Bob, as you can see, my interaction with Garmr was late Day1, not start Day 2. It makes a difference I think.In post 1366, bob3141 wrote:
Hence my theory that mafia hoped onto the rui lynch from the sach lynch. Might be only one on sach to begin with but since maybe they dint want to hammer they jumped into the rui wagon before it got to L-1In post 1363, Detective Pikachu wrote:
cause it was day 1 lol, a lot of scum are like, "I don't wanna really be noticed for doing anything" day 1, including hammeringIn post 1359, bob3141 wrote:Finally is sach was town and both urp2 and ausuka are town. Then I can't imagine why mafia simply didn't hammer sach.
Since they would have ended up on the rui lynch anyway
the way sasha treated the hammer is one of the best reasons to townread him imo (unless I'm hilariously wrong)
And after my questioning of sach over the hammer that is one thing that increases decreased my leanign towards himbeing scum. As i think if he was scum he would of played for no lynch (not even mentioned hammering). But at start of day 2 teh interaction between sach asking gamr if he wanted to hammer did feel odd. And made me belive he hoped someone else would hammer. Although he woudlnt avoid blame for teh lynch, he coudl simpy, say he woudl have. makign it a pool of 8 not 7. But Ive since moved to the later beign unlikely to be the case.- Exilon
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I doIn post 1365, Detective Pikachu wrote:
who wants to play "is this a townslip?"In post 1362, u r a person 2 wrote:that I'm voting here day 1
does scum forget that we're on day 2? lol
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No, I make that error as any alignment. There are plenty of excellent reasons to town read me this game, but that is not one.In post 1365, Detective Pikachu wrote:
who wants to play "is this a townslip?"In post 1362, u r a person 2 wrote:that I'm voting here day 1
does scum forget that we're on day 2? lol103-11 0-2- Exilon
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I like your analysis and your reads and I agree with most of it in general.In post 1357, Detective Pikachu wrote:Well I'm not at all in love with my initial solve but it's something like this
Exilon
Sasha
HRG
urap / inferno
Egix
bob
Garmr
Ausuka
Skitter
I have basically 0 confidence right now that I don't have scum in the top 3 or that I have more than 2 scum in the bottom 3, that's just kinda the reverse order I think I'd lynch in at this moment
it's somewhere to start anyway
Skitter I would currently like to push a bit more, but I'm not convinced on a lynch over Egix or even Ausuka (which I need to reread to get a more solid impression).
Garmr as I've said before is confusing me slightly and I'm not sure how I can clear him, but so far I think his contributions have been meaningful and valuable.
Bob is still reading as town making an effort if at times misguided. Of note is the "real time" analysis he did where he kept posting before finishing his whole thought process which I thought couldn't possibly come from scum (especially new scum), but I'm very open to different interpretations of this.Feels like I've been here before.- bob3141
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Have you seen just how many typos my posts have. that was meant to be a one not a two.In post 1368, Sashaddin wrote:In post 834, Sashaddin wrote:
Oh, I can hammer, I was just asked to wait. Not trying to convince you to do it now, I just wanted to know what was better from your pov, I'm learning a lot in this game, I ask questions.In post 833, Garmr wrote:Tbh your list has me and other town reads scum also scum reads as town. So if I have to choose I'd pick to lynch you over rui rui. Why are you trying to convince me to hammer fui through can't you do it yourself?
What I understand is that since our reads are opposite, you assume I'm scum.In post 851, tris wrote:
Bob, as you can see, my interaction with Garmr was late Day1, not start Day 2. It makes a difference I think.In post 1366, bob3141 wrote:
Hence my theory that mafia hoped onto the rui lynch from the sach lynch. Might be only one on sach to begin with but since maybe they dint want to hammer they jumped into the rui wagon before it got to L-1In post 1363, Detective Pikachu wrote:
cause it was day 1 lol, a lot of scum are like, "I don't wanna really be noticed for doing anything" day 1, including hammeringIn post 1359, bob3141 wrote:Finally is sach was town and both urp2 and ausuka are town. Then I can't imagine why mafia simply didn't hammer sach.
Since they would have ended up on the rui lynch anyway
the way sasha treated the hammer is one of the best reasons to townread him imo (unless I'm hilariously wrong)
And after my questioning of sach over the hammer that is one thing that increases decreased my leanign towards himbeing scum. As i think if he was scum he would of played for no lynch (not even mentioned hammering). But at start of day 2 teh interaction between sach asking gamr if he wanted to hammer did feel odd. And made me belive he hoped someone else would hammer. Although he woudlnt avoid blame for teh lynch, he coudl simpy, say he woudl have. makign it a pool of 8 not 7. But Ive since moved to the later beign unlikely to be the case.- Exilon
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me:In post 1370, u r a person 2 wrote:
No, I make that error as any alignment. There are plenty of excellent reasons to town read me this game, but that is not one.In post 1365, Detective Pikachu wrote:
who wants to play "is this a townslip?"In post 1362, u r a person 2 wrote:that I'm voting here day 1
does scum forget that we're on day 2? lol
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