Micro 870: Lynch Happy

[Vex Vience]

because i went back and re-evaluated your posts. they felt townie on the surface, but scummy deeper down. thats why im scumreading you.
also nice to know youre just lurking elsa.

[no lunch]

i think youre the lyncher, not mafia. however, if i had to call out someone as your scumbuddy? aust. 100%.

Let us work with this.
Austerity has defended me for what he viewed as a town tell (please read it again, as it was against the grain, nuanced, and not at a time when I was imminent threat of being mislynched). He has not made any effort to manipulate the gamestate in any way which is beneficial to mafia.

That is a town slot, I am quite certain.

[no lunch]

because i went back and re-evaluated your posts. they felt townie on the surface, but scummy deeper down. thats why im scumreading you.
also nice to know youre just lurking elsa.

Could you please show posts which exemplify this? I believe I have not posted once in an effort to be viewed as town aligned...

[Vex Vience]

heres my thing: if we lynch one of you, we can pretty much guarantee the others alignment. both of your reads are really similar and aust defended you. if you flip mafia, we lynch aust tomorrow and thats the game. otherwise, we go from there.

pedit: what you just posted. you trying not to appear townie is scummy in of itself imo. why wouldnt you wanna ever appear townie? even if youre evil, you still wanna appear to be good. regardless of your alignment, that makes you a detriment to whatever team youre on. and if youre town, youre hurting me. youre hurting the town. youre helping the mafia and the lyncher. therefore, why wouldnt i want to lynch you? regardless, its a positive for the town.

[Vex Vience]

to put it exactly how my old irl mafia group would put it: if youre a townie, and youre not trying to help the town, youre actually a mafia traitor—the mod just fucked up and dealt you the wrong card.

[no lunch]

That is not what I am saying.. :/

You said I am posting with the intention of appearing town aligned (surface level town posts which are deeply anti-town indicative). I do not think I am posting that way at all. I have been calling out what stuck out to me as pertinent while my attentions were more focused on Forkbomb. I have not been approaching this game with anything deeper than "what you see is what you get" posting. I simply cannot understand where you believe you saw me posting to look surface level town.

[no lunch]

For what it is worth, I agree entirely. Those who lurk or otherwise play poorly as town intentionally are sub-par mafia players, by default.

[Vex Vience]

im saying your posts on the surface appear townie. when i look more closely at them, theyre scummy. idk if thats on purpose or not, but regardless, its something that doesnt really benefit town. not only that, but the differences ive seen in your meta between these games feels much more different than what i expect.

im also tired and going to bed. i think youre scum, and i would rather have your lynch today so we can basically confirm aust without having the cop check them.

[no lunch]

I think yourself and u r a person 2 have written excellent cases on why you don't like me. I would also like both of you to take some time to reevaluate those cases for valid scum tells because from my perspective, the tunnelling here is equally as clear as it was in northsidegal's Geriatric Half Mast Nightless. The difference here is that u r a person 2 is not committing to pushing my lynch as aggressively as he did there, nor willing to reevaluate his read. He is committing to the non-town indicative parts of his read, yet refusing to follow through with town-indicative reasoning or enthusiasm.

[no lunch]

Both of these have been arguments I am absolutely unable to win. When I provide answers, I am told of another reason or why my answers are invalid.

This has gone from a matter of determining perspectives to a matter of sheer debate. I truly think both of you need to consider that I have produced as much content as I could possibly be expected to in this situation.

[no lunch]

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount
This is where my vote is going, regardless of anything else.

[Iconeum]

Elsa Jay - lurker.

Clemency - lurker.

NotMySpamAccount - lurker. When he did post he took very safe stances. This is a red flag, from my perspective. I will revisit this.

Iconeum - almost certainly town.

PvtUrist - he has been pushing some very under-considered reads very assertively. This is very likely a town tell. My only concern is that he may be playing this game in a way which makes him present as town-aligned, rather than one which furthers the town win condition. Provisionally town.

Austerity - this player has won the "most interesting read of the game" award. His predecessor was transparently not engaged. Provisionally town, but he has set a high bar for himself.

Vex Vience - this player looks like town, at face value. I like the fervor of his posting. I like the way he is tossing reads around. He feels like a storm of effort. A lot of his work his rather nitpicky, and I am not sure his actual sorting mindset is particularly difficult to fake. So likely also town, but I suspect I will struggle reading this player.

u r a person 2 - as said.

{no lunch}
{Iconeum, PvtUrist}
{Austerity, Vex Vience}
{Clemency, Elsa Jay}
{NotMySpamAccount}
{u r a person 2}

no lunch, after your readlist you had URAP as nr 1 scumread yet have interacted with him in a way you wanna convince him you are town…
And now you are voting NMSA?

[Iconeum]

For what it's worth, I think the cop should check into slots that haven't been pushed on D1.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: no lunch

L-1

[no lunch]

I explicitly did not interact with him to convince him I was town. I interacted with him to try and discern his alignment based on the way he pushed me. I am satisfied he has produced enough content for me to read him correctly, but not that I townread that content yet. I will obviously be actively reevaluating him.

NotMySpamAccount has not been pressured enough.

[PvtUrist]

Intent to hammer

[no lunch]

Intent does nothing in this setup, though I appreciate the sentiment.

[no lunch]

I should have a better idea of who scum is right now but I don't feel very confident. My wagon has been the only exciting part of this game and I do not believe the town aligned players on it have attempted to sort me rather than surrendering to bias.

Good luck, if I am hammered.

[u r a person 2]

NL you should give your final thoughts and then, urist, you should hammer

[no lunch]

Vex Vience argued that I am non-town in a more town-indicative fashion than u r a person 2. Iconeum is still likely town, and just making bad decisions. PvtUrist is wavering but if he continues to push with the level of passion he has, he is likely town; just continue to torment him.

NotMySpamAccount is playing to be read as town, or to coexist. He is an open wound. Apply pressure or bleed out.

And, good luck.

[no lunch]

Also be very, very careful in sorting Austerity. His read on me is three levels further than any of you are playing. It was either excellent or "too much information".

Spend the time you have not spent sorting me, sorting him. With luck, this will be what wins the town the game.

[u r a person 2]

thanks mate, appreciate ya

knock it down

[no lunch]

Actually I would suggest more caution in sorting Iconeum, as well. This read was premature.

[no lunch]

Austerity is town.

[no lunch]

u r a person 2 may be town. Arguing is not outside of his scumrange, and he is not outside of his scumrange currently. Keep him under pressure.

PvtUrist, on reflection, is also not outside of his scumrange.

I very strongly doubt that all lurking players are mafia (i.e. all mafia are lurking players). My wagon is also not entirely town.