Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

[Persivul]

For some reason it seems like no one's really expressed a read on me. Does anyone want to give it a shot?

Sure - scummy side of null. Your ISO is a bunch of questions without pushes. You occasionally put a post in tags and say you don't like it but don't give specific reasons.

[Persivul]

I have reason to believe ceejay may be town

Do you want to say more on this?

@tris can i interest you in joining the rce wagon?

Yeah, VOTE: RCEnigma I'll have a bit more to say in a moment.

Actually, I don't really have much more to say.

town

Why?

And...you keep on doing it.

[Persivul]

Irrel in particular, I haven't gotten anything that tells me he's town.

How about the fact that he's one of the few who's interested in actually keeping the game moving?

[Persivul]

Could have gotten something going? It was going nowhere. It was a waste to have it there. shiidaji otoh is a viable wagon and whatever happens with it, we'll get some info out of it.

Rather shii

was

a viable wagon at the time of my vote. Looks like people are waiting for the replacement. In the meantime:
VOTE: tris

[Irrelephant11]

I dont really get why people dont like irrel's posting tbh

Obviously this sounds different coming from me but I agree wholeheartedly
It’s not like this game has extremely scummy lynch candidates rn so my D1 goal is a good PoE (I can provide meta of me doing this at least once before). I obviously didn’t finish since I only had time for four slots but like since when is reading ISO’s and coming away with reads scummy? Like call it NAI busywork if you *really* want me to stay lynchable but my reads changed on two of the four players I’ve reread and I feel I’ve provided good points for why skitter is town, why Shiidaji might actually be town, etc.

I don’t like that fuscezu and RCE are scumreading me for, well, basically just scumhunting and playing the game. Feels like they’re hoping to be townread for the audacity to call one of the townier players scum

[RCEnigma]

I also don't know who is voting me besides irrel/Tris/Skitter. On the other hand slots have been posturing without voting afaik so scum has already designated me as mislynchable.

I don't think Scum!Skitter pushes me as scum here knowing I have the potential to speed my slot as town but the accountability for my flip would probably be handed to her regardless.

Uhhhhh this is a really weird post given that you basically just asked me to wagon you ....

You were already voting me. I don't know your history with irrel or persivul but I would assume those are the only other slot you would stay away from as scum.

[RCEnigma]

Irrel in particular, I haven't gotten anything that tells me he's town.

How about the fact that he's one of the few who's interested in actually keeping the game moving?

Yeah I mean I guess it would be different if it were an active game.

[RCEnigma]

I dont really get why people dont like irrel's posting tbh

Obviously this sounds different coming from me but I agree wholeheartedly
It’s not like this game has extremely scummy lynch candidates rn so my D1 goal is a good PoE (I can provide meta of me doing this at least once before). I obviously didn’t finish since I only had time for four slots but like since when is reading ISO’s and coming away with reads scummy? Like call it NAI busywork if you *really* want me to stay lynchable but my reads changed on two of the four players I’ve reread and I feel I’ve provided good points for why skitter is town, why Shiidaji might actually be town, etc.

I don’t like that fuscezu and RCE are scumreading me for, well, basically just scumhunting and playing the game. Feels like they’re hoping to be townread for the audacity to call one of the townier players scum

Do you mean your reads changed on Chara and Shiidaji? I don't recall you pushing Chara. Plus the way you phrased the Shiidaji read leaves it open to flip if the replacement looks lynchable.

I get you aren't being lynched, Skitter asked me specifically out of the players pushing my Shiidaji defense and I answered the who and why.

[Irrelephant11]

Do you mean your reads changed on Chara and Shiidaji? I don't recall you pushing Chara. Plus the way you phrased the Shiidaji read leaves it open to flip if the replacement looks lynchable.

No, my reads on Skitter (null > very town) and Shiidaji (scum >null) changed.

If Shiidaji is town, I have succeeded already in preventing their mislynch. Nobody is voting there, and I doubt we will end the day lynching there, unless their replacement is extremely scummy.
If Shiidaji is scum, I have not gone so far as to say the slot should never be lynched.
How exactly would you like me to treat a slot I don't know the alignment of who isn't playing? Locktown them?
Your thought here that I'm "keeping the slot lychable" actually looks like TMI about the slot - how do you know the slot is town?

[Irrelephant11]

whoops, didn't finish the post.

@ rce:

and i know that town!you is fully capable of good!posting, and nothing youv'e posted thus far really feels that way to me rn

and yeah i'm starting to see if i can get a wagon going; i'm hoping doing so will provide some interesting insight into the gamestate, which feels kinda ~stagnant~, and if you think that'll make you do ai things, even better

do u think scum is pushing u for your shiidaji read? if so, who in particular do u think is doing this?

Irrel in particular, I haven't gotten anything that tells me he's town. Initially I tried to put it off because I tend to avoid omgus type reads. They tend to be biased.

But things like his player by player reads to cut town out of a Poe is??? I think Fusco is probtown for thinking along the same lines.

So I ask myself why scum would do it:

- looks busy
- gives scum a general idea of who is bussable/mislynchable today/savable today.
- town cred

The problem is I haven't gotten anything out of it, it's basically a culmination of ISOs to point out what he thinks is good or scummy but the analysis isn't there. The questions are more for others to generate the content but irrel posed the questions so he gets the town cred for pushing discussion.

I was around when he started this and is exactly why I avoided engaging with it.

That said I don't think it was a scum theater thing with Chara so they at least aren't together.

I have other general thoughts but I'm still pages behind and my break is up so to be continued or something.

Everything in this post is bull$&!# btw

[Irrelephant11]

MKM where you at
Insomnia you've seemingly gone quiet too

[Irrelephant11]

and CJ
man maybe the whole scumteam just isn't playing

[insomnia]

MKM where you at
Insomnia you've seemingly gone quiet too

Who dare summon the embodiment of justice?

[insomnia]

Percy why did you drop your push on insomnia, when we could have gotten something going
especially when the new vote is shiidaji which fundamentally does nothing

- March

Could have gotten something going? It was going nowhere. It was a waste to have it there. shiidaji otoh is a viable wagon and whatever happens with it, we'll get some info out of it.

What info?

Is Smile trying to pocket me by interrogating my scum read? :thonk:

[insomnia]

Who can read RCE? I’ll leave that job to whoever applies for this really important job

[insomnia]

I don't see why I would be townread right now.

I don’t see why we’re not policying you for playing like this on purpose

[tris]

- gives scum a general idea of who is bussable/mislynchable today/savable today.

How does scum giving their own reads do this?

[tris]

For some reason it seems like no one's really expressed a read on me. Does anyone want to give it a shot?

Sure - scummy side of null. Your ISO is a bunch of questions without pushes. You occasionally put a post in tags and say you don't like it but don't give specific reasons.

I've gotten this complaint before.

[tris]

I don't see why I would be townread right now.

I don’t see why we’re not policying you for playing like this on purpose

Fuscezu had just asked me if I felt the townread was undeserved.

[RCEnigma]

- gives scum a general idea of who is bussable/mislynchable today/savable today.

How does scum giving their own reads do this?

Through the slots that interact with the reads. Players are going to give their own opinion on what they think is wrong, why X slot isn't actually scummy etc. Etc.

Then they can decide where they can pivot or push. Insomnia wasn't in the game at the time Lycan did this in schadds scumstomp normal but he replaced in towards the end. It's not dissimilar to Lycan's puppetstring approach. I probably wouldn't link the game since it's a cringeread but the mafia pt would give a general idea of what I'm talking about.

The Gist.

[insomnia]

I don't see why I would be townread right now.

I don’t see why we’re not policying you for playing like this on purpose

Fuscezu had just asked me if I felt the townread was undeserved.

Sooo...What’s your point?

[tris]

- gives scum a general idea of who is bussable/mislynchable today/savable today.

How does scum giving their own reads do this?

Through the slots that interact with the reads. Players are going to give their own opinion on what they think is wrong, why X slot isn't actually scummy etc. Etc.

Then they can decide where they can pivot or push. Insomnia wasn't in the game at the time Lycan did this in schadds scumstomp normal but he replaced in towards the end. It's not dissimilar to Lycan's puppetstring approach. I probably wouldn't link the game since it's a cringeread but the mafia pt would give a general idea of what I'm talking about.

The Gist.

That's a large Mafia PT. Any specific posts you want to point to?

I don't see why I would be townread right now.

I don’t see why we’re not policying you for playing like this on purpose

Fuscezu had just asked me if I felt the townread was undeserved.

Sooo...What’s your point?

Maybe I don't understand what your point is.

[Irrelephant11]

- gives scum a general idea of who is bussable/mislynchable today/savable today.

How does scum giving their own reads do this?

Through the slots that interact with the reads. Players are going to give their own opinion on what they think is wrong, why X slot isn't actually scummy etc. Etc.

Then they can decide where they can pivot or push. Insomnia wasn't in the game at the time Lycan did this in schadds scumstomp normal but he replaced in towards the end. It's not dissimilar to Lycan's puppetstring approach. I probably wouldn't link the game since it's a cringeread but the mafia pt would give a general idea of what I'm talking about.

The Gist.

Yes good point. If I provide my reads and reasoning you will all be compelled to tell me which townies I am allowed to mislynch, and I will do so with no problem.

Like I'm flattered at the level of manipulation you think I 'm having but so far none of the things you've said I'm aiming for have happened, aside from Chara providing some skitter and shiidaji reads at my request.

If you're going to scumread me for providing content because "oOOooOOooO the rest of us might interact with the content!!!" then I don't know what game you would like me to play. Solitaire?

[Irrelephant11]

I'm sorta wavering on my RCE scumread rn actually because I'm not sure scum go for the "whoever's towniest must be scum" paranoia case when, meanwhile, multiple slots seem to have lurked out of the game (I think town might do this if they're actually experiencing an overwhelming amount of paranoia)
But otoh it's not like his ISO is balanced out by incredibly towny scumhunting and I don't know what else to do with my vote, at least until the lurkers come back/are replaced

[Irrelephant11]

Insomnia is Smile currently your strongest scumread
how do you read RCE rn?