Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[Time Devil]

Hi

Hello from the other side

Hello Adele!

[Time Devil]

Creature is town

[Time Devil]

Hi

Hello from the other side

Hello Adele!

Creature is town

-b

[Time Devil]

I didn't think it completely through but the basic idea behind a quick lynch would be like rolling the dice and sacrificing someone before scum has a chance to setup a lynch on the 8ball target.

Mechanically it might be fine but wouldn't scum setting up a lynch on the 8ball target be somewhat obvious in hindsight?

Creature is town

Explain how you got that from four posts.

- Dann

It was a joke

-b

[Time Devil]

oh i did read it
um
im ok with it

I kind of like this post.

Talk to me about

OkaPoka

and

Nancefloor

.

Specifically the votes on

Oka

and 75.

p-edit

what's

Dann's

reason for voting

Oka

?

and is my vote on

Dann

the only thing about 99 that caught your attention?

if so, i need better GIFs

This doesn't strike me as genuine.

P-Edit: Okay 111 really bothers me.

-TL

[Time Devil]

I now have 4 reads.

I now have 4 lockscum reads.

i miss having votes on me

but like, is

Time Devil

one of them?

Nope!

[Time Devil]

Not liking dann this game.....

[Time Devil]

VOTE: nancefloor

[Time Devil]

i think nancefloor is scummy but i also don't want to push them for reasons

Please do

[Time Devil]

kittybells

me dumb and is half-shitposting+half-gamesolving if its not clear

(i had some inspirations for this posting approach )

i want to ask u about

oka

and

mbaki

but i think an explanation wastes something here so im just posting about this and noting it for later unless you want to be transparent

p-edit

Time Devil

, you didn't reply to my mention of the townread on

Creature

or... reply to me about the posts you thought weren't genuine + my response.

I can only answer as to the creature town comment because the other head made the genuine comment...

My creature comment was a joke because I’ve played a lot of games with him and it is often a comment he makes at the beginning of the game

[Time Devil]

i think nancefloor is scummy but i also don't want to push them for reasons

And I 100% agree with you on this

[Time Devil]

I can't help but feel like the NanceFloor heads disagree with each other, and the fact 191 has to exist only gives credence.

VOTE: chennisden

I don't have any experience with chennisden and I don't want to jump on okas wagon, so I'm placing my vote there.

Feel free to sheep me unless you have reason to believe scum put the 8ball there. If so let us know.

This does not seem right. Is there a reason for not wanting to be on Oka's wagon? I agree with Fuscosco that this is overly cautious.

(but yeah chen should effort more)

-TL

[Time Devil]

Here’s one person that’s never 8 ball- dann...from what I’ve seen he never gets lynched day 1 so I think we’re all safe going there

[Time Devil]

Here’s one person that’s never 8 ball- dann...from what I’ve seen he never gets lynched day 1 so I think we’re all safe going there

Why are you trying to push us?

~N

Why do you find us scummy, TD?

- Dann

@TD

Are you ever planning to answer this @Time Devil?

You initially voted us because you apparently sr us, now you think we’re the 8 ball? How did you get from sr us to thinking we’re the 8 ball?

~Nancy

No I don’t think you’re the 8 ball- it’s exactly the opposite - I think there’s no way in hell that you ARE the 8ball which is another reason you are a safe lynch

[Time Devil]

you are my first tr

Yup

[Time Devil]

you are my first tr

Not liking dann this game.....

First: sr us, never really explains why.

VOTE: nancefloor

i think nancefloor is scummy but i also don't want to push them for reasons

Please do

Tries to manipulate RC into pushing us.

i think nancefloor is scummy but i also don't want to push them for reasons

And I 100% agree with you on this

If you

agree

with RC, what part of him not being interested in pushing us, went over your head?

I can't help but feel like the NanceFloor heads disagree with each other, and the fact 191 has to exist only gives credence.

Walking back initial fake sr on us.

VOTE: chennisden

I don't have any experience with chennisden and I don't want to jump on okas wagon, so I'm placing my vote there.

Feel free to sheep me unless you have reason to believe scum put the 8ball there

. If so let us know.

This does not seem right. Is there a reason for not wanting to be on Oka's wagon? I agree with Fuscosco that this is overly cautious.

(but yeah chen should effort more)

-TL

Really hard driving our lynch now.

Here’s one person that’s never 8 ball- dann...from what I’ve seen he never gets lynched day 1 so I think we’re all safe going there

Now, does an apparent 180 and suddenly tr us here. But NOW wants to push us because we’re 100% never the target.

If TD can’t push our mislynch by convincingly casing us as scum, he’s apparently good with casing us with NOT being the 8 ball.

So @TD, how did we go from your #1 sr to your #1 8 ball pick? Kind of sudden turnaround, wouldn’t you say?

~Nancy

Gosh I’m so sorry I’m trying to kill scum this game...I won’t try to play to my win condition anymore

-b

[Time Devil]

Do we learn who the 8ball was after the day?

Not unless we kill them

[Time Devil]

@Time Devil, you never actually gave the reasons why you’re sr us. Do you actually have any you’d care to share with the class?

~ND

If you're seriously death-tunneling us because you misinterpreted 250, you're obviously scum trying to push my lynch.

Don't tell me that that's not what 410 says. You've been caught.

You also seem to be very defensive, and your reads have little substance.

-TL

[Time Devil]

my townreads are in order of strength

my scumreads are roughly Confirmation Bias > Time Devil > Nancefloor > 0verki11 atm in terms of read strength

If you seriously think I’m scum here, I should probably not be tr you because I know you are better at reading me than this.

~Nancy

yeah you're caught scum

-TL

[Time Devil]

I swear this game is cursed, first time through momo and now this...

[Time Devil]

@RC, @FL

Can you guys work this out or not, because I really don’t need the drama. :/

I mean, I get along with everyone. Even RC until he starts going aggro on me, and even then I just respond, so I would say yes to that.

Why did you signup if you knew he didn’t want to play with you?

This didn’t work out in DnD mafia and tbh, I don’t see things being any better here. It just really fucking sucks that I’m playing with this awesome hydra partner in a really fun setup and I have to be part of this shitstorm, that I never signed up for.

I just wanted to play a damn game, not be in WWIII.

You do realize that you’re perpetuating this by continuing to harp on it right?

[Time Devil]

im not gonna take sides

also nance scum.

And this! Let’s vote this plz

[Time Devil]

I swear this game is cursed, first time through momo and now this...

Is this Baezu?

Just ignore RC vs FL. I’ll actively try and shy away from posting towards him unless I’m responding.

Let’s play Mafia.

I’m lean scum on you. If I’m wrong, help me realize that.

Who is scum to you?

Yup it’s me!

Me and TL both agree that this isn’t Dann’s towngame so we are heavily leaning scum there...if we don’t have support for that wagon, we’d be happy to look into other slots...I don’t think oka is scum so not voting there, chenn could be scum but I’m waiting to get more info on that slot

-b

[Time Devil]

Chen Dann feels SvS, anybody else? That level of confidence from a player of Chenn's caliber is unwarranted, and feels wrong.

so what you think chennis is trying to bait the lynch as the 8ball and spew dannflor town going down?

This doesn’t seem plausible

[Time Devil]

Fusco, why you voting me gurl?

[Time Devil]

Time Devil I think we need to compromise here.

What’s the compromise?

[Time Devil]

I’m not voting oka but I’m willing to compromise on shadowless cloud

[Time Devil]

If NanceFloor flips town, I will vote Reveal the next day.

That's how confident I am that Nance is scum. Their continued insistence in deathtunneling me and continuing to use the misinterpretation as a "case" against me is proof Nance is caught scum.

-TL

[Time Devil]

No sorry, you’re not mislynching us. Your push on us has been bad and fake from the getgo. I’ll reassess, when you give me good fucking reason to do so and not a moment sooner. You’re not baiting me into not sr you. Town it up or stfu basically. Sorry if that seems harsh but I really do think you’re scum here. Prove me wrong.

~ND

Wolfy reaction btw

-TL

[Time Devil]

Dann, are you feeling de-motivated? I thought you'd be attempting to gamesolve more directly with the thread here...

I was feeling somewhat so at that point.

But I feel better today and I'll get my reads list going as well. (I'll also stop talking about it and just do it after this post)

That vote was just because I wasn't completely happy with the one on TD and I wanted to show support for RC at the time. I was still interacting directly with the thread and trying to sort at the time outside of that vote so I'm unsure what you're getting at.

- Floor

the bolded is what im getting at, ty for coming to my ted talk

Just ftr, I wouldn’t have replaced back in if RC had been the one to replace out, which is what I was expecting to happen. Had I known that the mods were going to handle it the way they did, I would have never even considered replacing out.

~Nancy

You said you would stop talking about it, so please stop continuing to ruin everyone else’s game

Thank you

[Time Devil]

If NanceFloor flips town, I will vote Reveal the next day.

That's how confident I am that Nance is scum. Their continued insistence in deathtunneling me and continuing to use the misinterpretation as a "case" against me is proof Nance is caught scum.

-TL

No sorry, you’re not mislynching us. Your push on us has been bad and fake from the getgo. I’ll reassess, when you give me good fucking reason to do so and not a moment sooner. You’re not baiting me into not sr you. Town it up or stfu basically. Sorry if that seems harsh but I really do think you’re scum here. Prove me wrong.

~ND

You’re right, we’re not mislynching you. We’re lynching scum!you

Nancy, do you always have to have the last word?

-b

[Time Devil]

Oh and if we are the nk tonight, then nancefloor is pretty much confscum at that point! They almost can’t nk is because it’ll be so obvious

[Time Devil]

Inclined to say Time Devil is town too

Why?

Because you’re the only one with tunnel vision

[Time Devil]

Inclined to say Time Devil is town too

Why?

ok nancefloor ima tell this to you straight

ur basically guiltied scum

but if you let me leash your vote i will spare your life and lynch you last

how does that sound

Can you plz elaborate more on this?

-b

[Time Devil]

I'm done trying to explain myself to you. I want to speak with

Dann

and reply to readslist as he's expressed a desire to do for me, as I also want to focus on other slots and gather a stronger idea of the playerlist before deadline. I don't have time or interest in this.

Same

I’d rather deal with dann

[Time Devil]

VOTE: tmck

Did dann or Nancy make this vote?

[Time Devil]

VOTE: tmck

Did dann or Nancy make this vote?

I did. Pretty sure Nancy would like to keep voting you ideally

- Floor

It’s just not like you dann to put down a naked vote

[Time Devil]

Anyway, I’ll sheep RC today and let this lie for now

-b

[Time Devil]

VOTE: tmck

[Time Devil]

Reads list coming from TL in a bit...I’m at a theme park with the kids for spring break

we came up with the reads list together and I can answer questions about it when I’m on again

-b

[Time Devil]

TemporalLich's Lead Rist

[Town]

Taly

(you are good at questioning and your posts are getting more towny. 1201 is a decent push as well.)

chennisden

(Good scumhunter, 551 and 590 are examples. 1010 is a good question.)

Fuscosco

(The catch-up starting with 847 shows town promise, though agreeing with mbaki's lynch list isn't towny (unless of course it's being used against mbaki).)

RadiantCowbells

(Usually votes for good reasons, though the PL push is strongly NAI. Townlean regardless. Would like explanation on the hasty TMCK vote in 960.)

Ankanimus

(I feel you're towny with 395 and 753 I guess.)

Creature

(what is with the don't lynch list on 1135? I think that list is good as a TR list though.)

themilkcartonkid

(I don't get why you're strongly scumread, your BEF push seems genuine and 1168 gained info.)

JohnnyEnglish

(I've got nothing to go off of. Default neutral. Confbias was very scummy though.)

Clemency

(You've got charisma, but your ISO doesn't have much info. 244 is my main impetus for not scumreading you harder.)

OkaPoka

(429 is a good post and 652 is also towny, but you're mostly a fluffposter. Scumlean.)

0verki11

(719 is a good post but that's about it. Scumlean.)

Chemist1422

(Low activity, though 912 is good. Still seems weird though.)

mbaki

(the lynch list in 403 is a blatant attempt to control votes, which benefits scum more than town.)

BrightEyedFish

(little info and activity... 231 isn't a good post as it says the chen vote is a defensive maneuver. 1170's reads feel forced.

Shadowlesscloud

(Your very low activity is very unsettling, and your ISO is dry of info.)

NanceFloor

(This isn't Dann's towngame, 411 and 417 make NanceFloor caught scum, 420, 424, 471, 833, 835, 917, and 1077 are wolfy reactions, and the readlist on 846 is forced. The heads still disagree with each other as evident in 1210. Scumlock.)

[Scum]

VOTE: NanceFloor

-TL

[Time Devil]

I'm beginning to think Floor could be town and not scum, as evident in 1428. Yeah, if he sees us as TvT, it might be so.

I'm gonna table my vote for now and vote someone who has less promise.

1466 is a scummy post. What's with the pseudo-OMGUS and sudden vote on a TR?

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

L-2

-TL

[Time Devil]

If you're considering a Shadowless lynch I'm going to point to 1532.

Sell me on Chemist, right now he pings me as an active lurker.

@Fuscosco: I need a case on why you think Taly is a deepwolf. Even then, I refuse to lynch Taly on D1.

-TL

[Time Devil]

????

I didnt say they were.

I said these are not following the game and have publicly said so.

Oh, that makes sense. Was wondering why you had a TR on the list.

I'm not leaning town on Ank but lynching her D1 would be bad

BEF is not as scummy as TMCK and he's one of the most likely 8ball selections on this player list. Lynching him would also be bad

I'm also confused by the amount of resistance behind other wagons for lack of a case when there really isn't a case on BEF

- Floor

I'm down with a TMCK lynch, his recent posts are scummy. 1546 has a lot of quotes that aren't necessary for the post and the incredibly confrusing statement "No, I think you and bef want to lynch chenn". Why do you think this TMCK?

1522 is very defensive and almost seems like TMCK is scum deliberately trying to avoid a scumread. I need explanations from that post.

PEdit: 1581 is pure OMGUS

PPEdit: I'm not voting Chen.

-TL

[Time Devil]

also, nance, why are you so interested in being TRed?

My point exactly

[Time Devil]

Omgus is a shallow read that gets serious because of the confirmation bias effect.

I say something wrong, you react to that, I say more things to defend myself that reinforce the read with hostility, and it goes on.

Fusco, you are so town it hurts

-b

[Time Devil]

We only need one scum lunch actually


1of4 guarantees scum
1of4 guarantees scum
Coalition means either scum in it or we win

Oka also town

[Time Devil]

also

overki11

has posted on forum since april 23rd, when their last post was here.

i dont understand how this level of forced apathy in the game is town-motivated anymore.

p-edit

im LHF, right?

Let’s beetlejuice him here

VOTE: overkill

-b

[Time Devil]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

This is our best shot. 1849 is a reason why Chenn is a bad wagon, and TMCK probably is the repicker.

-TL

[Time Devil]

If we die tonight, our dying wish is to lynch nancefloor

[Time Devil]

That was mostly facetious but I just feel like they’re causing a lot of obfuscation at a time when town needs to focus

People need to stop 8 ball speculation, they need to stop screwing around with votes and get on bef so we can have a lynch.

At this point that’s the most important thing and the thing that indicates townyness

[Time Devil]

I don’t see a recent vote count what are we at?

[Time Devil]

And how much time do we have?

[Time Devil]

Well, sorry if you’re town fusc, ftr I don’t think you’re scum but we need a lynch

VOTE: fuscosco

[Time Devil]

@mod, fusc has 7 votes (now 8) and bef has 4

[Time Devil]

Has fusco claimed?

[Time Devil]

Fuck I want to tr TD but everything they post is so scummy

Welcome to baezu’s curse haha

[Time Devil]

Let’s let him claim before the hammer

[Time Devil]

Well I guess that’s that then

[Time Devil]

We should at least investigate nancefloor tonight

[Time Devil]

Does that still count as hammer?

[Time Devil]

I think town can win this...listen to oka

[Time Devil]

Wrong about what?

[Time Devil]

If fusco happens to be 8 ball, which I don’t think is the case, we will need to look at the people driving that wagon because I’m sure it was scum manipulation

[Time Devil]

Aaaah, I want the fliiiip

Same

[Time Devil]

BnL was just here too

[Time Devil]

Gotta go- see y’all on the other side

[Time Devil]

You were already hammered, no?

And doc please find someone better than nance to protect- look for an obvstown instead plz

[Time Devil]

Well, glad you enjoyed yourself at least!!!

[Time Devil]

btw, i wish my teammate(s) would stop doing that 'thing' or things they may be doing

<3

[Time Devil]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... XyByzJunK5

[Time Devil]

How do I put an image in thread

[Time Devil]

[Time Devil]

"[img]link%20here[/img]"

Ty! <3

[Time Devil]

Nah I was a monster before I met him lolololol

[Time Devil]

I love you guys!!!
I love this forum!

These are my peeps and y’all don’t know how much that means to me!!!

Thank you

<3

-b

[Time Devil]

Lead Rist vPower

[Good]

1of4

(a good power, unless scum puts in someone very scummy and a deepwolf)

Dance

(best case scenario is getting rid of a scum and a lhf. worst case scenario is getting rid of a lhf and a good townie. Better than Lynch imo)

Coalition

(we should 1of4 or veto first)

Veto

(basically two policy mislynches, unless we somehow hit the entire scumteam. This is the power for those who want to take risks)

Reveal

(it's ok I guess)

Lynch

(meh)

Vengeful

(should save this in case there isn't scummy people)

Protect

(not right now)

Treestump

(there's a situation to use this. We're not in that situation)

Arena

(the chance of WIFOM makes this bad)

Rank

(this on the other hand is useless, but at least it is nominally better than End Day)

End Day

(there's no reason to use this)

Popcorn

(if the mafia gets an NK with the poison this power is so bad it's horrible)

[Crap]

VOTE: 1of4

Willing to vote Dance

-TL

[Time Devil]

Actually, Popcorn deserves to be at the bottom regardless.

Popcorn is a blind lynch that's easy to lose control of. The votes might be useful the next day, but probably will just end up causing even more chaos.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Huh I'm paired with TMCK... I'm untouchable!

-TL

[Time Devil]

My thoughts on the pairs.

Player 1	Player 2	Thoughts
RadiantCowbells	0verki11	A weak TR with a weak SR. Not the best idea.
mbaki	NanceFloor	A worthy vote. mbaki still seems scummy and omgusy. Nance is getting townier FWIW.
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish	A worthy vote. BEF is still scummy scummy scum scum.
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid	No. Absolutely not. Never ever. Not voting this pair even if it kills me.
Ankamius	Clemency	I'd avoid voting here.
Creature	Chemist1422	Risky but okay vote. Lurky scum with weak TR.
Taly	JohnnyEnglish	Why would we lynch obv!town?!
chennisden	Titus	TR × TR, not voting this pair.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Highest scum equity or whatever the hell scum equity is is in the BEF pair.

VOTE: OkaPoka × BrightEyedFish

Best thing to do is NL then Veto. I get if I get roped but we never should have picked this.

Why should we No Lynch? I think the scum might get a NK if we No Lynch but just in case...

@mod: If we No Lynch during Dance do the scum get a factional nightkill?

-TL

[Time Devil]

I had a very rough day

Been having rough mafia days lately.

Sorry to hear that guys

-b

[Time Devil]

Yes, there is. I need the thread to sort my alignment while the better players are still alive.

This is probably the towniest thing I’ve ever heard

-b

[Time Devil]

first impulse is to lynch chennis x titus

I’m kinda feeling this too

-b

[Time Devil]

why are we all so negative

how do you even have a read on chemist

it's not specifically this game

I mostly just want to be out of my games so I can leave the site again and I don't want to replace out of any

[Time Devil]

Best thing to do is NL then Veto. I get if I get roped but we never should have picked this.

Um no

-b

[Time Devil]

I'm relatively confident in my theory but I'm not confident enough to risk obvious town. It's strategically suboptimal anyway. We can have this day pass while we discuss reads and then do veto tomorrow.

So do you suspect Nancy might be scum?

-b

[Time Devil]

I’m not really feeling befnoka, willing to vote there again to prevent a NL but for now
VOTE: titus/chenn

-b

[Time Devil]

I'd rather be lynched than Titus/chen

Why?

[Time Devil]

Titus, why aren’t you voting?

Sorry

[Time Devil]

Or who would you vote for if you had to vote?

[Time Devil]

VOTE: bef/oka

[Time Devil]

We should still just NL.

If you don't give a good reason why a NL won't just deny the town info then I am pretty sure you are scum.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Time is running short...

[Time Devil]

I don't particularly townread Oka or BEF, but I think that pair is T-T.

I mean I guess I could SR Creature for this, but is it really worth it?

-TL

[Time Devil]

I'm really lamenting the dance choice. We should have gone veto.

I don’t why you keep saying that, dance revealed two scum.

No it hasn't. Dance created large apathy and forced us to kill obvtown for a chance at scum or waste time.

Think about it this way, would you rather we decide which obv!town dies or the scum decide which obv!town dies? (Assuming the scum gets a NK if we NL)

-TL

[Time Devil]

either way we're not No Lynching or timing out.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Should we 1of4 or Protect?

It's too early to Venge.

Veto is ech right now, the Dance hit town x town.

Coalition seems very good, but we'd need to pick 8 Townies out of 11 Townies and 3 Mafiosi.

-TL

[Time Devil]

no lich

I need to learn more about why I'm scum

everything else is secondary

…

I don't remember SR'ing you.

-TL

[Time Devil]

There are no NKs, what would we need Protect for?

Actually yeah that would waste time right now.

VOTE: 1of4

-TL

[Time Devil]

EBWOP-ish: Frick, 1of4 doesn't deny the Mafia NK.

VOTE: Coalition

Pedit: Great case NanceFloor.

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: themilkcartonkid, Skygazer, RadiantCowbells, Creature, NanceFloor, Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency

This seems like it will succeed.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Oh we're just gonna fail one at the first? Sure
VOTE: themilkcartonkid, Skygazer, RadiantCowbells, Creature, NanceFloor, Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency
Hint this is failing or it would never be this easy.

I think this is L-1 since 3967 is just those names in a different order.

-TL

[Time Devil]

that being said:

@mod: NanceFloor's coalition is just the themilkcartonkid, Skygazer, RadiantCowbells, Creature, NanceFloor, Ankamius, Chemist1422, Clemency coalition with the names in a different order.

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: Veto

That coalition was too big to fail, but it did.

RC is going into the next coalition, he is pretty much town at this point.

Considering this, the D3 coalition is likely this (green = coalitionable):

Ankamius

,

Chemist1422

,

Clemency

,

Creature

,

NanceFloor

,

RadiantCowbells

,

Skygazer

,

themilkcartonkid

-TL

[Time Devil]

im town

if it's not blatantly obvious I'm town at this point, veto me.

I guarantee 100% that town!me dies in any veto

Both of you know why your names are red. This is a case for your names being red.

-TL

[Time Devil]

So like, actually tell us what you think

Ankamius is not coalitionable because of her push against RC (who I'm treating as conf!town), townlocking Skygazer, and sheeping RC (who she is pushing!).

Chemist1422 is not coalitionable because he's a coasting lurker.

Clemency is not coalitionable because his activity went down the toilet.

Creature is coalitionable because he's good at pushing and standing out.

NanceFloor is coalitionable because they're good at info spewing.

RadiantCowbells is coalitionable because he's pretty much conf!town for not showing fear of being vetoed, even though veto usually hits town. Also his not wanting to be in the coalition is not scummy. RC is not the repicker though.

Skygazer is not coalitionable because her ISO is dry of info.

themilkcartonkid is coalitionable because he is the repicker.

-TL

[Time Devil]

I don't have a case on why Veto should not be hammered.

So go hammer it.

-TL

[Time Devil]

why are we vetoing Pink Ball

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: Chemist, Clemency, Moongrass, 0verki11

MariaR pings town to me.

Pink Ball pings town to me from whatever limited info I have.

I refuse to veto Creature.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Sigh...

I ask again: 0verki11, Chemist1422, Clemency. What do they all have in common?

They're either LHF or scum, which is the best veto material.

-TL

[Time Devil]

RC is scumpinging me hard with his push against a

conf!town

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: RC NF Moongrass PB

The faster everyone votes this coalition the faster all everyone's problems go away

I'm not voting PB.

-TL

[Time Devil]

can someone other than RC tell me why PB deserves to be in the veto?

-TL

[Time Devil]

Vetoes should be 2 scummy coalitioners and 2 of the most scummy players regardless of coalition.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Vetoes should be 2 scummy coalitioners and 2 of the most scummy players regardless of coalition.

-TL

Fuck no. Have you not even seen me lay out how we win?

4 coalitioners is a bad veto since it is unlikely there's more than 1 scum in the coalition, and thus the vetoed survivors may be town.

-TL

[Time Devil]

why is creature in your veto chen

-TL

[Time Devil]

Why hasn't Baezu posted TL?

I don't know.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Man this game has a lot of pages

[Time Devil]

Why hasn't Baezu posted TL?

I don't know.

-TL

I apologize- I have had some extremely pressing issues with a family member that have now at least stabilized...I was out site wide for a bit...I’m back now and hopefully TL will fill me in on what I’ve missed

-baezu

[Time Devil]

Anyway, I had an epiphany last night that has been validated time and time again by my experience in mafia, that I should always trust my initial instincts.


VOTE: Time Devil, Creature, Chemist, Clemency

I still think Moon could be scum but him correctly pointing out that having less than 3 coalition members in veto is pointless, makes him less likely to be scum than TD, so I prefer this.

2 scummy coalition members and 2 scummy people (who may or may not be in the coalition) is best.

Choosing a third coalition member over someone truly scummy ruins the point of the veto.

If you're vetoed you're either dead or scum. Don't make it so there's a surviving townie in the veto.

-TL

[Time Devil]

We need 2 scummy coalition members in the veto since we need to clean up the coalition btw.

There's probably only 1 scum in the coalition. Picking 4 coalition members means there is a surviving townie in the veto.

-TL

[Time Devil]

I can swap out Clemency with Creature in my veto.

Not feeling either tbh.

-TL

[Time Devil]

actually yeah Clemency is pinging town now with 5367.

VOTE: Chemist1422, Creature, Moongrass, 0verki11

0verki11 is still scummy but eh.

5345 isn't towny, but is not worth putting PB in the veto.

Skygazer is eh.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Moon is staying in the veto.

Any veto without Chemist1422 in it is scum-AI

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: Chemist1422, Creature, Moongrass, RadiantCowbells

RC's veto doesn't have Chemist

-TL

[Time Devil]

2-3 coalition members in veto is gold.

4 leaves a townie alive.

Less than 2 fails to clean up the coalition.

-TL

[Time Devil]

He just said he would vote Titus coalition.

Titus's veto is a bad veto.

It's a 4 coalition veto and it reeks of consensus.

-TL

[Time Devil]

He just said he would vote Titus coalition.

I still think RC is scummier than PB or Clemency.

RC doesn't seem like his town self.

-TL

And whoops. I failed to hydra.

[Time Devil]

4 coalition veto is the point...

Consensus veto is good imo. Our reads are forced to get better.

We'll redo the coalition tomorrow and have a gameplan.

Let's assume there is only 1 scum in the coalition. (there can be 2 or 3 but it isn't likely)

There must be a townie that survives the veto.

Town maybe eliminates the veto if the second Coalition fails, leading to a mislynch. (or 2 mislynches if the veto is horrible)

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: Chemist1422, Creature, Clemency, Moongrass

It's the best I got. Vote this ideal veto.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Still think nance is deep wolf...

Or maybe it’s just paranoia

[Time Devil]

creature the fact that scum didn't kill you should make you feel bad if you're town

Yeah, it's time to reconsider my townread on you.

hot take from pretty much guiltied scum

-TL

[Time Devil]

why are we TRing Moongrass?

I’m wondering the same thing

[Time Devil]

nonono we can win right now

How?

[Time Devil]

If a majority of players in the game agree to follow my coalition before I give it I'll post my coalition and we'll do it

Otherwise I'm fine with confirming the 1/2 or 2/1 even though that information is essentially common knowledge

I agree

-bae

[Time Devil]

probably wouldnt mind sheeping RCs coaltion

I second this

Oops, sorry guys

[Time Devil]

Player 1	Player 2
RadiantCowbells	0verki11
mbaki (Moongrass)	NanceFloor
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid (Succinct)
Ankamius (Pink Ball)	Clemency
Creature	Chemist1422
Taly (Skygazer)	JohnnyEnglish (MariaR)
chennisden	Titus

Fuscosco

- Not in dance, scumflip

Green

- Townflip

Bright Green

- Confirmed Town

Red

- Veto Survivors

Yellow

- Coalition Leftovers

Pink

- Scummy non-coalitioners
Normal - Towny non-coalitioners

VOTE: Succinct, Time Devil, MariaR, chennisden, Titus, RadiantCowbells, Skygazer

Last two are subject to change.

-TL

[Time Devil]

i really think Titus' plan sucks but I am lacking the fucks to really fight it

and I want this

day

game to be over soon

- dann

well I'm not voting for a coalition that's bound to fail.

That defeats the purpose of the coalition.

-TL

[Time Devil]

I'd vote Titus's coalition only under time pressure.

Splitting the groups is alright but it isn't a winning coalition and even Titus knows that.

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: Succinct, Time Devil, MariaR, chennisden, Titus, RadiantCowbells, NanceFloor

Skygazer isn't townier than NanceFloor.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Might take out Titus though, I think Titus is the most likely deepwolf.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Please give me a reason you think Titus's coalition will

succeed

.

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: TimeDevil, MariaR, Chennis, 0verkill, Titus, Moongrass, Succinct

I'm 90% sure Moongrass is scum but parking vote here for now.

-TL

[Time Devil]

oh wait if those "titus coalition" votes counted that was a quickhammer. Sorry.

-TL

[Time Devil]

what made you realize it was a quickhammer only 2 minutes later? why lay down a vote before checking the votes and only check immediately afterwards?

I'm thinking those votes don't count so that's why.

-TL

[Time Devil]

That being said...

@mod: Do votes like VOTE: Titus coalition count?

-TL

[Time Devil]

we can't quiz tomorrow anyway

We should reveal Titus or Creature, someone who may be a deepwolf.

-TL

[Time Devil]

we can't quiz tomorrow anyway

We should reveal Titus or Creature, someone who may be a deepwolf.

-TL

Reveal nesscessitates NF or RC dying. Everyone thought I was town anyway, not sure what good this would do but I'd hammer it.

Why would you think Creature as a deep wolf?

Creature is townpinging me despite being a veto survivor.

He's scum until he gets revealed as town.

Titus/RC/NF are good reveal shots.

Tomorrow isn't the day for 1of4.

I'm game for some Arena.

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: protect

-bae

[Time Devil]

VOTE: Arena

two flips are better than zero.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Why in Town's name are we protecting RC over NF and chenn?

-TL

[Time Devil]

If I were quizzed on RC, I'd vote Scum.

-TLL

[Time Devil]

Hey TL, talk to me while you're around won't you?

Why is RC scum?

More importantly, why am I town?

- Dann

Pushing TMCK is anti-town. (RC knew TMCK was pretty much an IC)

I've played with town!RC, this is not the town!RC I know.

You're pretty much the consensus top read, your ISO gets townier and townier. Protecting you won't be a mistake. Protecting RC is pretty much denying the flip we need without any gain.

Why in Town's name are we protecting RC over NF and chenn?

-TL

So we can have town move on and start lynching instead of having to fight RC.

Got it. Protecting RC is anti-town regardless of alignment.

-TL

[Time Devil]

for bragging rights: Creature/TD/Moongrass is the team

Woah, town may actually lose this game.

yeah we need to flip Titus.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Pushing TMCK is anti-town. (RC knew TMCK was pretty much an IC)

When was this? mbaki was the one who chose to push TMCK despite acknowledging his bread crumbs.

I've played with town!RC, this is not the town!RC I know.

1. You're not good enough to read RC. That's not an insult. No one in this lobby is.

2. You used that exact same line on me. My play has changed 0% since you said that. In fact, I'd argue it's gotten worse!

You're pretty much the consensus top read, your ISO gets townier and townier. Protecting you won't be a mistake. Protecting RC is pretty much denying the flip we need without any gain.

3. So... You're town reading me because I'm consensus? Is it all Nancy? What happened to us being lock scum. If your progression on this slot is all down to peer pressure I want you to be honest about that. Your read on me specifically cannot have changed significantly since your last "this isn't the town!Dann I know" unless something happened that you haven't shared.

Got it. Protecting RC is anti-town regardless of alignment.

huh

- dann

0. Ignoring the shitpost that is 4115, couldn't seem to find RC's push in his ISO. Regardless, NF is a better protect.

1. I guess scum.

2. Nance was caught scum until you pinged town. Besides, meta-reads are meta-reads.

3. You started the upward trend.

4. Yeah, RC is probably going to implode the town.

-TL

[Time Devil]

what the fuck does a Titus flip tell you

- Dann

We get rid of a deepwolf who has her dirty claws all over the town.

Nah, not Titus.

Yes Titus.

idk, wanted to see if we could sort the Chem/me dilemma because if we both flip town it's gonna be between you/RC/Sky.

In the -10% chance both you and Chem are town, the scumteam is Titus/RC/Moongrass.

TL: Protecting RC is anti-town.
Also TL: We need to flip Titus, the person butting heads with RC.

Me: Huh?

RC will implode town, you're a deepwolf steering the town for your ends.

-TL

[Time Devil]

eh TL you could be town

I just need you to be honest with how your reads are progressing

don't try to make it seem more natural than it is

See 1214 for why I originally scumlocked you. See 1534 for why I thought Dann could be town.

After that I just skim milked your ISO for the "getting townier" part.

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: NanceFloor

Skygazer you aren't being towny.

-TL

[Time Devil]

im town

your vote says otherwise.

Why do you think protecting RC is not a net loss for town?

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: Arena

L-1

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: Chemist1422 and Creature

If this flips double town, then Moongrass is scum.

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: reveal

[Time Devil]

Was thinking revealing RC to be good (to get a protected IC hopefully), but it's very eh especially since the NK isn't stopped.

I'm down for 1of4 right now. It's slightly better than just lynching right now and even if we mislynch we get a scum-containing group.

VOTE: 1of4

-TL

[Time Devil]

Was thinking revealing RC to be good (to get a protected IC hopefully), but it's very eh especially since the NK isn't stopped.

I'm down for 1of4 right now. It's slightly better than just lynching right now and even if we mislynch we get a scum-containing group.

VOTE: 1of4

-TL

TL, gun-to-head who do you lynch if you have to lynch someone today?

- Dannflor

Moongrass. I know Titus is in coalition B, but I'd treestump Titus just in case Titus is town.

-TL

[Time Devil]

VOTE: Chemist1422 and Creature

If this flips double town, then Moongrass is scum.

-TL

I though Moongrass!scum was more dependent on that flipping double town fypov.

- Dannflor

Double town would mean Moongrass was 100% scum. Moongrass is still the scummiest in coalition B. I'll walk through it.

0verki11 is meh, pings town with its new posts I guess.

chennisden is town unless proven otherwise

MariaR is town unless proven otherwise

Moongrass is the obvious scummy coalition B member, I fail to see town motivation. 5324 is a weirdly avoidant Creature/Moongrass interaction.

Succinct was the repicker

Time Devil is Time Devil

Titus is probably a deepwolf but 6455 seems to make Creature/Titus look SvT

-TL

[Time Devil]

tell me how RC is 120% town, NanceFloor.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Vote treestump so we can speed lynch Chennis.

Absolutely never in everland.

1of4 is our best option.

-TL

[Time Devil]

How do you go from a weak "chennis is town until shown to be scum" to this

- Dannflor

because Moongrass (who I now strongly SR) scumlocked chenn by sheeping RC in 6472.

Says the guy that null reads everybody except me. Wouldn't you rather just lynch me since I'd be your preference regardless of who else was 1 of 4?

1 of 4 is less effective with 2 wolves still in the game, hence we lynch one first before triggering it.

Now is the time to use 1of4. 1/4 is greater than 2/9, and when we get to 1 scum, Vengeful is better. And yeah you're scum.

Creature was adamantly opposed to the Protect and it didn’t read like he’d been coached. Many reasons, including Creature flipped scum and Fuscosco tmi’d RC town.

That seems like it would make sense for town!RC and not scum!RC, in that case pretend Reveal doesn't exist since we don't need Reveal.

-TL

[Time Devil]

It still doesn't make sense to use 1 of 4 when you're convinced I'm scum.

It doesn't make sense to use Treestump either in that case.

-TL

[Time Devil]

yeah let's powerlynch Moongrass.

VOTE: Lynch

idk if we should call oka or PB (succinct is too early) yet

-TL

[Time Devil]

Why TD over Moongrass?

I thought Moongrass was lockscum

-TL

[Time Devil]

Treestump is literally always better than lynch right? unless I'm missing something.

RC, will you lead the lynch today?

I've reread and I don't scum read you anymore. And that's where I'm definitively locking in if that helps at all

- Dannflor

Lynch is better than treestump if you're 100% sure who you want eliminated is scum.

-TL

[Time Devil]

I'm not Moongrass, NF.

-TL

[Time Devil]

I told this to TL in our PT but I’m honestly a little nervous that RC is scum this game...

-bae

[Time Devil]

@nance, would you be willing to lynch him before Lylo?

[Time Devil]

I guess what I’m feeling is that nance and RC are leading because RC helped design this game so everyone is deflecting to him and nance has had a strong presence with lots of posting so everyone has them in their townblock as well

However, I don’t feel that two people in charge of town makes for a strong and unified town and I feel like scum is going to get away with this game

[Time Devil]

^bae

[Time Devil]

Okey,

I’ll step out of the way and let you guys win it for town

-bae

[Time Devil]

i think scum could be nance/RC tbh

This is what I’m most afraid of tbh

[Time Devil]

Sky, who is on your town list?

[Time Devil]

Meaning who is conftown fypov?

[Time Devil]

Because honestly, all of these shenanigans have only caught us two scum and I don’t feel like I’m any closer to a solve

-bae

[Time Devil]

I do have to admit, this game has been tough for me. I already don’t know how to do game spec analysis and these side games have made it very difficult for me. That’s why I haven’t been as present on thread...

But at this point, I’m still in the game and I don’t just want to hand the game to scum, which is what I feel like we’re doing...

-bae

[Time Devil]

yeah Moongrass is being voted.

-TL

[Time Devil]

yeah Moongrass is being voted.

-TL

I’m also winning the lottery.

No way. That's lucky.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Dann I really hope you’re scum this game because if this is how you’re going to be in your town games from now on I don’t think I want to play with you anymore

This isn’t the Dann I know and love

-bae

VOTE: lynch

[Time Devil]

I’d like an apology after the game for all the bullying your slot has given us this game- regardless of your alignment, it’s not cool. And we will flip town

[Time Devil]

VOTE: Moongrass

I told you you were being voted. Can't say I didn't warn you.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Then it’s probably overkill and ?

-bae

[Time Devil]

Then it’s probably overkill and ?

-bae

This was a question for moon

[Time Devil]

call a friend requires us to do a normal lynch which is incredibly suboptimal.

it's reveal -> 1of4 -> venge from here

if we do reveal you're the one getting revealed

a bulletproof IC would be pretty OP

and 1of4 is suboptimal right now.

I think treestump Titus is our best bet.

VOTE: Treestump

-TL

[Time Devil]

maria town, titus prob!scum

so I reveal the scummier of the 2, or at least not townlock

-TL

[Time Devil]

that's if Reveal gets picked and not Treestump or a different power nobody cares about (hint: voting Quiz is a scumclaim)

-TL

[Time Devil]

3 votes for maria

where are you getting these numbers from?

why are you even bringing up quiz right now

just pointing out it's the absolute worst power we can use right now (we quiz, we lose).

so therefore voting Quiz is basically "I'm scum."

-TL

[Time Devil]

RC you and Maria's implicit self vote

No reason for her to not support herself, like, regardless of alignment

so you think I'm revealing obv!town over someone who has a very high chance of being a deepwolf.

-TL

[Time Devil]

Do you want the mathematical explanation of why flipping town is optimal today?

If we go for scum and hit scum that means I win as deepwolf. Is that a chance you're willing to take?

um sure

yeah if you're a deepwolf the game's already lost

switching my vote for now:

VOTE: Reveal

-TL

[Time Devil]

Player 1	Player 2
RadiantCowbells	0verki11
mbaki (Moongrass)	NanceFloor
OkaPoka	BrightEyedFish
Time Devil	themilkcartonkid (Succinct)
Ankamius (Pink Ball)	Clemency
Creature	Chemist1422
Taly (Skygazer)	JohnnyEnglish (MariaR)
chennisden	Titus

Fuscosco

Where we stand right now.

Yellow is coa 1, pink is coa 2.

There is at least 1 scum in coa 2.

-TL

[Time Devil]

0verki11, chennisden, MariaR, Moongrass, Succinct, Time Devil and Titus...
wait I must have memory loss why would-
holy this is the worst co I've seen in my life.

blame Titus

-TL

[Time Devil]

Ugh this page feels scum scum

I hope you aren't mistaking this page for a mirror

-TL