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VOTE: elsa jay
lets get the game rolling."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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im actually about to post some thoughts i had pre-game nl."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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so first things first, everyone should hypo-claim as cop everyday. once the cop dies, we stop it but until then, we hypo-cop. my logic behind that is we can safely get the cop results out there without directly telling everyone who the cop is. even though the cop is very unreliable in this game, we can at least use it to figure out who is good or not since once the cop dies, we know not to lynch anyone the cop checked since they can't be mafia, just vt or lyncher.
the second thing i was getting at with my thoughts is that we shouldnt lynch the lyncher today. unless the lyncher just randomly claims they are the lyncher, i think not lynching them today is much better. mafia is more likely to hit a bp if we leave them alive today. it's a 2/6 v 1/6 if both mafia alive and a 2/7 v 1/7 if one mafia alive. however, if the lyncher outs themselves, we have to lynch them at that point basically. itll mean that any innocents the cop finds is guaranteed to be a townie and it means that a lot of possible outcomes are simplified.
third thing: in i believe all the situations i looked at, if mafia successfully kills n1 and town/lyncher is lynched d1, town always ends up in mylo d2. but speaking of mylo, i believe you always lynch the lyncher claim in mylo. i looked at it, and theoretically mafia could become lynchproof by using that. in mylo, we cant lynch the lyncher otherwise mafia wins. lyncher cant cc it otherwise they lose pretty much everytime. they have to rely on the town randomly voting their target in order to win that situation. therefore the mafia can just get away with a lyncher claim and win the game.
@elsa you do realize that this setup is extremely scumsided btw?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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sorry for delay on thoughts, i was debating on including the mylo thing and i didnt fully write out my thoughts beforehand. i thought i had more time to before the game started."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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is this vote a serious one or a rvs one?In post 10, u r a person 2 wrote:
I dunno why this is pinging me but it isIn post 5, Vex Vience wrote:im actually about to post some thoughts i had pre-game nl.
VOTE: Vex Vience"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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youre blurring the line with your reasoning."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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5v2v1 > 4v2v1/5v2 > 3v2v1/4v2 (d2)u r a person 2 wrote:
It was an rvs-serious vote. As in, it did ping me, but it isn't a strong read.In post 13, Vex Vience wrote:
is this vote a serious one or a rvs one?In post 10, u r a person 2 wrote:
I dunno why this is pinging me but it isIn post 5, Vex Vience wrote:im actually about to post some thoughts i had pre-game nl.
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I'm failing to understand how we hit mylo d2 with a mislynch unless scum hit's the lynch target n1. Help?
second one should be obvious, but the first one is a technical mylo. if the mafia shoot the lyncher target n2, they win automatically. (3v2v1 (d2) > 2v2v1 > 1v2 (d3)). the lyncher is endgamed because they cant win, and since theres only one townie left and two mafia, the townie is endgamed. obviously, if they dont shoot the lyncher, we got another day, but both are contingent on the nk.
also, for it pinging you:
i posted thoughts about the game before i got a rolecard in stack the deck. im doing the same exact thing here. if im scum, why would i bother doing this? wouldnt it be easier for scum!me to just let the rvs vote slide and not say i even bothered thinking about anything pre-game?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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mafia win most of the situations i explored. lyncher wins a couple but only if they can convince people to lynch their target, (which is hard to do). town loses pretty much all of them since we reach mylo really quickly and we have to lynch mafia both days, back-to-back. by the time the game goes into a mylo-state, the cop wouldve found one or two innocents, which one of those could be the lyncher.In post 16, Elsa Jay wrote:I have absolutely no idea what you mean. I put balance at the forefront of the list. 40-20-40 seemed balanced me.
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before i realized i fucked up the numbers somewhere on like the d2 situations which messed up most lyncher situations, i remember seeing mafia winning probably 6/8 endgames i found. town won the last two. i didnt include any possibilities where lyncher won though. too tedious for me.
pedit: ik that but its still a horribly balanced setup. i just wanted to make sure you were aware of that."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i may attempt to redo all the possible endgames in a bit though. if i do figure out all of them, ill post them in a spoiler."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i actually will attempt it sometime. not today though."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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nvm actually. im not gonna bother trying to make all possible outcomes anymore. like half of them have technical mylos where if scum kills the lyncher target they win and i dont wanna deal with that. i could just not include them but then i have to figure out which ones have that, and its just a mess."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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let me grab the d2 possibilities. i stopped around d3+"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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Spoiler: possilbities
if we lynch mafia today - no mylo tomorrow
if mafia hit an immune or holster tonight - no mylo tomorrow
if we ml today, and mafia successfully kill - mylo tomorrow"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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the way how you read that btw is d1 > d1 lynch > d2
i/h is immune/holster as well"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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oh shit, mb. my math is probably all wrong then regardless. let me recalculate it."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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lyncher and lyncher target are bp n1. if mafia hit either, they wont die"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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yea, nvm. most of the mylos happen d3+. mb on the math."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i thought i had accounted for 9"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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im assuming jingle is using exactly what the original setup dictated. if thats the case, the lyncher and lyncher target are both bp n1.
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heres the link to the open setup discussion thread.
the rolecards are copied directly from the thread."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i mean, we can move away from it if you want. nobody else has really posted yet so we cant really do a whole lot about making genuine reads though."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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@elsa yea, but i think lyncher will only quickhammer if were voting their target. otherwise its not worth it because they get lynched the next day under the suspicion of them being maf.
@urap2 convince me on nl please. i can see you being town, somewhat so on elsa, but not really on nl."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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wrong reason for skipping it, but okIn post 50, NotMySpamAccount wrote:also I skikppepd the setup spec cause it's boring
pedit: oh really? didn't know, I'll go read it"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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actually, theres no reason for skipping my thought post, but you could skip the setup spec for it being wrong. even then, its only a page, maybe a bit more. so why bother skipping it if its that little amount nmsa?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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yea but then lyncher relies on their target playing scummy and us lynching them. not worth it if youre the lyncher imo.In post 55, Elsa Jay wrote:Hey, the Lyncher doesn't have to be alive to win, just killing a town in general forces Mafia to be seen as the bigger threat.
wydm by "solid answers"?In post 56, NotMySpamAccount wrote:
loads of numbers, I like math but I'm tired and don't want to think about stuff if I don't have to rn. other people can check your work. once we have solid answers, we can strategize from there.In post 54, Vex Vience wrote:actually, theres no reason for skipping my thought post, but you could skip the setup spec for it being wrong. even then, its only a page, maybe a bit more. so why bother skipping it if its that little amount nmsa?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, nmsa, i said the setup spec was wrong. all my math on it was wrong. you can still read it and get something out of it id assume"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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personally, i find his remark nai. to me the whole post feels awkward in general, but its not awkward enough that id call it scummy.In post 58, u r a person 2 wrote:so obviously this is the least strong of the reads because only two posts
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"I await with bated breath" is pretty passive aggressive and I think that comes from town more than scum this early in the game
It's like, "yeah, yeah, you're going to do setup spec. That's definitely going to help us solve this game /s"
It feels like someone who is just speaking their mind. like, i'd expect scum to be happy wasting time on setup spec, or to ignore someone who is about to delve into setup spec
I also think early aggression is slightly town indicative, generally
id also disagree on scum ignoring someone doing setup spec. with deadlines like this, id expect town to wanna move away from it asap, but scum want to keep it going instead."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i probably didn't need to quote all of it, but i realized that too late"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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if you really wanna help me get us out of rvs and start discussing the game, urap, sell me on elsa as well."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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norm is 14 days. thats what i mean by deadlines like this. if we had a two week deadline, sure, id be a bit more lenient in trying to get the game rolling, but id rather try to get discussing as early as possible since were only on a weeks time.In post 63, u r a person 2 wrote:what do you mean deadlines like this? we have a week
urap posted the correct math, i think. i havent double checked it yet.NotMySpamAccount wrote:how the setup spec actually turns out when the math is right"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i found 44 townie, but that's only one post. is that the post that made you think elsa was town?In post 65, u r a person 2 wrote:After reading again I have no idea why i thought elsa was town"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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@nl i can explain why i find urap townie in a min if you want
@urap elsas 46 also kinda feels townie, but its a bit of stating the obvious + some faulty logic (imo)"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i agree that the first line is weird. its not weird enough for me to do anything about it, (much like nl's first two posts). however, the second line is what i find townie of it. i apply my logic of town wants to be active, scum dont to get to that conclusion.In post 69, u r a person 2 wrote:
no. I think it's nai for themIn post 44, Elsa Jay wrote:Always good to know the rules in the game too, though I obviously went into the setup knowing it was a rule.
Now, we have people giving a lot of setup spec, so that makes it hard for me to get a genuine read now.
if I had to make a case for this post one way or another, I'd say the first line is a lil awkward and unnecessary"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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@nl most of my tr on urap isn't based on what theyve said, (most of the stuff theyve posted is relatively null), but its more along the lines of the tone of their posts and activity. most of the setup spec stuff is null for me, but the highlight from that is correcting my math. i dont think scum would bother correcting me if im wrong on that, theyd just let it slide, therefore i find it townie. additionally, what im getting as uraps reads so far feel genuine to me. additionally, uraps activity feels like theyre actually trying to be productive in the game and help out, namely 58, 63, 69 feel the most helpful to me."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, i just noticed it when i read back uraps iso, but, what do you have against hypoclaiming urap, if you dont mind me asking?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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my major thing is when it comes to hypoing results, you never state the day before who youre checking. at the start of the day, you post a random player with a random result. if youre the cop, you post the real thing. sure, if scum does die and someone hypo-inno'd them, we know they're not the cop, but thatd be only one player who cant be cop from mafias perspective. like i said in my pre-game thought post, we really only care about green results from the cop. the cop is unreliable on getting mafia results in this game, therefore wed only care about what appears to be green.
while yes, the lyncher could slip through because of this, the lyncher would be forced to play as a vt if they get a green result. if they try to push their target and its obvious, we know who the lyncher is and their target, therefore the red results become useful once again, and the lyncher automatically loses the game since we wont ever lynch that player. now the lyncher could just do something and fake a target then switch to the real player, but if it gets to that point, we just ignore whatever the lyncher does.
this gets into setup spec again, but i feel like for us to have the greatest chance of winning in the first place, we need to have the cop claim without directly stating theyre the cop, because mafia will always shoot them the next night i feel like. if everyone claims a random result on a random player, (with cop subbing their actual results), scum shouldnt be able to pick them out from that alone. like i said before, the cop is unreliable on picking out mafia, we really only care about getting green results from them."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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im using data, so ill make this post quick.
im trying to get us out of rvs. i dont wanna stay in rvs due to the fact we have a week deadline to lynch. please read my posts before saying this. i explained it elsewhere.In post 86, Iconeum wrote:Vex why u ruining RVS with maths and stuff? I don't like math
like i said, i wanna get out of rvs. i realized it was wrong after urap said it was. its a simple math error. i also dont wanna stay in rvs for very long just so we can maximize our discussion time.In post 87, Iconeum wrote:Vex's opening posts are actually all talk about setup and actions, and most of it is wrong. Vex you seem so unwilling to get into a good ol' RVS, why is that?
please read stack the deck, the only other game i actually played in on this account. i opened that game the exact same way, albeit with correct math, and i was vt. please explain what makes this game different.In post 94, Iconeum wrote:I haven't played with many of you, I don't see how it's town.
Avoiding RVS and focusing on spec is ez way for scum to survive RVS. Why are you townreading him?
id honestly agree on this. see bottom for reasoning.In post 97, Clemency wrote:
found the lyncher :^)In post 87, Iconeum wrote:Vex's opening posts are actually all talk about setup and actions, and most of it is wrong. Vex you seem so unwilling to get into a good ol' RVS, why is that?
why do you think elsa is lyncher?In post 99, Iconeum wrote:
Elsa's probably the lyncher, actuallyIn post 97, Clemency wrote:
found the lyncher :^)In post 87, Iconeum wrote:Vex's opening posts are actually all talk about setup and actions, and most of it is wrong. Vex you seem so unwilling to get into a good ol' RVS, why is that?
once again, look at stack the deck. i did the same exact thing as vt in this game. if im scum, why would i do it again? i only did it on this account to distance myself from my main. if i was scum here and someone asked me why i didnt do it, i could just easily say that i did it to distance myself from my main. since my alt is public knowledge, whats the point of that?In post 108, Iconeum wrote:In post 92, no lunch wrote:
Yes, I was excited for this setup speculation. Specifically from Vex Vience.In post 78, u r a person 2 wrote:
Really? You were actually waiting with bated breath for setup spec?In post 73, no lunch wrote:It was not passive aggressive and I do not believe I have been aggressive at all. Why are you townreading me for this?
Vex provided faulty setup spec and math… this is town?In post 93, no lunch wrote:
Vex is town. Please find somewhere else to focus.In post 87, Iconeum wrote:Vex's opening posts are actually all talk about setup and actions, and most of it is wrong. Vex you seem so unwilling to get into a good ol' RVS, why is that?
ico is lyncher with target on me, i guarantee it. ill actually explain why, although, it wont be the full case until im not using data. consider this the tl;dr.In post 109, Iconeum wrote:In post 60, Vex Vience wrote:
personally, i find his remark nai. to me the whole post feels awkward in general, but its not awkward enough that id call it scummy.In post 58, u r a person 2 wrote:so obviously this is the least strong of the reads because only two posts
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"I await with bated breath" is pretty passive aggressive and I think that comes from town more than scum this early in the game
It's like, "yeah, yeah, you're going to do setup spec. That's definitely going to help us solve this game /s"
It feels like someone who is just speaking their mind. like, i'd expect scum to be happy wasting time on setup spec, or to ignore someone who is about to delve into setup spec
I also think early aggression is slightly town indicative, generally
id also disagree on scum ignoring someone doing setup spec. with deadlines like this, id expect town to wanna move away from it asap, but scum want to keep it going instead.
Hedging and wifom, wants to get out of RVS but opens with setup spec…In post 62, Vex Vience wrote:if you really wanna help me get us out of rvs and start discussing the game, urap, sell me on elsa as well.
Vex is scum and I I'll fight anyone over this read
my major problem with this is that ico came into this game and instantly started to accuse me. literally no hesitation on that. to me that means he is most likely the lyncher with target on me. he could be confused town and pushing on me for that, but that is something i dont really think is possible. i also dont believe that hes mafia because if he was, why would he bother going through that when he could just shoot me tonight?
but also if you look at his iso: posts 86, 87, 94, 108, 109 are all talking about me. the only posts that dont? 90 (fluff post), 99 (calling elsa lyncher), 102 (joke reply). ico has an agenda to lynch me, making me his target.
ill make a full case and reply to his posts and go more in-depth on other things in about 7hrs when i get home from school for the day. i dont wanna use data if i dont have to."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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actually nvm. using the power of google translate i have access to ms once again. give me a bit to fully explain all my thoughts."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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so, what are your thoughts on that then? care to share?In post 92, no lunch wrote:
Yes, I was excited for this setup speculation. Specifically from Vex Vience.In post 78, u r a person 2 wrote:
Really? You were actually waiting with bated breath for setup spec?In post 73, no lunch wrote:It was not passive aggressive and I do not believe I have been aggressive at all. Why are you townreading me for this?
In post 101, Datisi wrote:Oh great, I love waking up to 4 or so pages of math
VOTE: NMSA don't do illegal kids
any thoughts on the game so far from either of you?In post 103, PvtUrist wrote:ego"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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alright, let me case ico then ill be good."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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nvm, google translate stopped working. ill work on it outside of the site then post it when i get done."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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Spoiler: ico case
over all, i really think ico is the lyncher, and i think hes currently the best vote target. his iso has focused solely on me and really nobody else. hes made a few replies to the others, but overall his iso is scummy and suggests he has an agenda to lynch me. thats really why i wanna lynch him. ik i said before i dont wanna lynch the lyncher d1 if possible, however, im basically taking ico's iso as him claiming hes lyncher without actually directly saying hes lyncher. if nothing else major happens/changes, id like to lynch him. for now however, i wanna use the rest of the day to discuss and see what else we can do before calling it a day.
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explain your vote and how ico is right. i literally dont see how he is right about me being scum, even when i try to look at it from his pov
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read stack the deck. i quoted my own meta several times in that game. i played exactly how i am now. and also, you are saying that one single post from me is singlehandedly scummier than icos iso, which only is targeting me. please explain that logic now."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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clearly you didnt read my case then. most of the argument is that ico is solely targeting me. he claimed im trying to avoid rvs by trying to use setup spec because im trying to survive rvs or something. he rephrases/repeats stuff and doesnt do anything productive apart from trying to push on me.
you are openly admitting that the lyncher has a case. please understand that. once you fully read my case against ico, then by all means, make your own opinion."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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then how the fuck are you getting ico being right with me being scum?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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well both of you are wrong then. simple as that."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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i think you and ico are mafia together. ico got caught, so youre jumping in to defend him."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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ill explain my logic behind that in a little while."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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so, urap is scum here imo. they will always flip scum, never town imo. not only did they do an entire 180 on their read of me after i posted the case against ico, they ignored all of it and decided to attack two points and call those two points scummy versus the six or seven other points i raised. that is not a townie thing to do, esp on top of claiming they have readevery single word of my argument. on top of that, uraps read on me—and its reasoning—is absolutely shit.
heres my entire case against urap, based on their quote as well. their first sentence makes no goddamn sense whatsoever when you look at ico's iso. he has pushed me in basically all of his iso apart from a few useless posts. that is scummy af to call someoneIn post 122, u r a person 2 wrote:tbh outside of his first math is bad post i don't think he's scummy
It's not that I don't like you quoting meta, but it's not a good faith argument to say that posting setup spec makes you town because you've done it as town. like, damn, talk about the easiest part of a self meta to fake lol
and any reasonable person would realize that they could do setup spec, so the argument is simply in bad faith
you're scumin a lyncher game who is obviously pushing to get me lynched not scum.
the second sentence overlooks my entire argument for me doing it. ive only done it once. theres no reason for me to do it. why would scum!me go through all that effort to mimic something that i did in stack the deck to distance myself from my main? wouldnt it be easier for me to not do it in the first place? and the answer to that is yes. it would be much easier for me to not do any of that and just move on with the game. id wanna stall it out in rvs.
the entire argument from urap is very weak. while i dont think urap is lyncher, i am certain they are mafia in this game. now that leads me into another thought that ill entertain tonight and try to figure out reasoning for why, but i believe {ico, urap} is a valid scum team here.
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@urap, im putting this on you now. give me and everyone else your reasoning why you decided to ignore the rest of my argument, have a complete 180 turn-around on your read of me and call me scummy based on two points. also, id like you to point out exactly what i have said that is "scum who thinks they've been caught for a bad reason", and explain how you read my argument yet didnt understand the argument i brought up of it being easier for scum!me to not post setup spec since i did it once under vex to distance myself. why would i do it here once again if theres no reason for me to as town?
on top of all of this, id like to know everyones thoughts on my case against ico and on uraps 180 turn-around in their read on me."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, i should never be brought down to l-1, only l-2 unless we have a coordinated time for hammer. im 100% certain i am lynchers target and if we bring me down to l-1, i will be quickhammered by ico."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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if thats the case, why did ico come into this game and start pushing on me as hard as he did?In post 140, Elsa Jay wrote:Wait wait wait... Vex. How the heck did Ico become the "Lyncher"? You sound more like it with how much shade your throwing at him first. A Lyncher accusing someone of being their Lyncher to get them lynched? A valid strategy."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, i would like to reiterate this: i replied to all of icos postafterhe had thrown shade onto me first."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, if you look at his iso, 7-8 of his 10 posts are targeted at me. he replies to nobody else but me in all of his posts. isnt that a bit odd?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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5/8 of his posts, mb"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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the other three posts arent even productive, might i add."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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he could be mafia for all i know. i think lyncher is more likely though. ive said this before and ill say it again: if we lynch him and he flips lyncher, it basically confirms me as his target. if we lynch him and he flips mafia, it basically confirms me as not mafia. the reasoning behind that is even though im confident in my mafia play, whats the point of me bussing my scumbuddy d1 in a setup where even if i play perfectly as mafia, i can still randomly lose due to a miller lynch?"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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and if somehow ico flips town, we need to slow the fuck down tomorrow and reevaluate everything. im pretty sure id be the lynch tomorrow if hes cop/vt as well because im the one pushing for him so hard."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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also, unrelated but something i wanna ask for:@mod, may we get a reduction in the prod-timer from 48hrs to 36hrs? 48hrs feels really long for a 7 day deadline"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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