Micro 868: Star-Crossed [Game Over]

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VOTE: individual 1

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VOTE: Donald

This should.

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Partner

I agree.

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Kaboom! everyone died

Partner

I agree.

why?

Overreaction to the votes on Trump->ejjinami and Trump are partners.

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VOTE: individual 1

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VOTE: Donald

This should.

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Let me repeat the question, why aren't you voting where your reads are?
You shouldn't have any reasons to vote for DT rn

That you don't understand this is another sign that you are scum. The post you posted tells me that you are partners with DT. Which means you are

both

scum. I called you partners - what that means is obvious. This means that you are scum trying to find something you can name scummy.

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Oh, ok then. I thought you were talking about me and pork

How exactly is me not undersanding that scum indicative?
And why am I not town, who's looking for sth to call scummy?

Well, it isn't scum indicative if you didn't understand what I meant. And then it doesn't fall under "looking for something to call scummy" either.
It is not town-indicative, though.

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sorry, I don't eat meat, you can't be my buddy ):

Although I should have noticed it here...

Yeah, but I think porkens called you and Donald partners for your reactions to the votes; and that's what I think(that you and Donald are partners based on your overreactive post).

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What's up with these RVS style votes? Why aren't they on ejjinami instead, or Donald?
RVS is long over, since Page 1! Try to read

before

posting!
VOTE: ejjinami

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Porkens, I think you should switch, too. The probablility of ejjinami being scum with DT is quite high, the probability of them being scum with a very bad forced entrance but a different partner is low, the probability of them being town is extremely low. However, the chance of them being scum without DT as partner is higher than the chance of DT being scum without ejjinami being scum.

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Wait, oh…
People’s reactions actually make so much more sense rn :/
It still shouldn’t have counted though, it’s literally impossible for anyone who doesn’t live in US to understand the vote
That’s not fair

Well, your opening posts still look a bit construed. But now I actually get the situation myself.... yeah I understood what Porkens meant.
And it didn't count before Porkens told the mod that they wanted to vote for Donald - the mod then edited the VC.
Ok, the partner accusations have definitely no arguments behind them. My vote on you still has some weight behind it, though.
Invisibility, what are your reasons for townreading ejjinami?

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If I understand it correctly, you’re SRing me and DT because of those posts:

No, not the posts you mentioned.
These posts:

And hey, hey, hey! D:< u no vote other people while asking innocent questions
Principle of fair trade, VOTE PORK NEXT

He doesn't even look appetizing

actually, yeah
he doesn't
VOTE: pork

We really misunderstood each other there. Still, I find the posts together still a bit construed, but you are not in the same scum probability as before. And DT is off the hook.

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even nk15 himself admits now that his 57 was too much
the guy was claiming to have found the whole scumteam by page 3

Well, it's possible to find the whole scumteam by page 3. Unfortunately this is not what happened.

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doubtful he'd genuinely believe such bullshit
inference then is that he's being disingenuous

You are straight out wrong. I remember that this happened when I re-checked the scum posts of a game quite often(that people made posts when their partner or they themselves were voted early that looked panicked...).
Unfortunately, I sometimes excitedly rush to conclusions that make someone look scummy without taking something into account I should have seen.
I looked at other entrances of ejjinami in completed games.UNVOTE: ejjinami

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She entered and defended the rvs target and went up and down about it. Then she got super defensive and ran her mouth all over when I called her on it. There was no good reason to defend djt

She didn't talk about djt at all - she thought you were voting Invisibility:

And hey, hey, hey! D:< u no vote other people while asking innocent questions
Principle of fair trade, VOTE PORK NEXT

He doesn't even look appetizing

The "u no vote other people while asking innocent questions" refers to the only poster before you who did actually ask a question. Invisibility.
Although...
if you look at the ISO of invisibility their posts contain:
-rvs/useless posts
-unexplained townread on ejj early on<---also possible nightkill target crumb?
-Vote NK, without any reasons(not even "I agree with X")
... and one question to MaryJo("Who is scum") that anyone could ask anywhere and that - at that point - is a bit strange(why would town ask this that early - normally people say their reads without being asked, and as town you normally ask only if people keep silent - and I see no real reason for this question but to appear as a "useful player".

Their behaviour looks to me like mainly non-committal play trying to avoid attention while still trying to look like an actually

useful contributor

.
We don't have any power roles. That means that this is scum indicative.
VOTE: Invisibility

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Let me repeat the question, why aren't you voting where your reads are?
You shouldn't have any reasons to vote for DT rn

That you don't understand this is another sign that you are scum. The post you posted tells me that you are partners with DT. Which means you are

both

scum. I called you partners - what that means is obvious. This means that you are scum trying to find something you can name scummy.

this however, doesn't make sense
why would it be a sign that ejj is scum?

It would have been a sign that ejj is scum if they actually understood who Porkens wanted to vote. However, they thought Porkens(and, accordingly, I) talked about yourself as the person who was intended to be voted. That's just a sign of a misunderstanding, then, and not a sign of scum who is disconnected from townish thoughts(here: If statement Z by person X about person Y makes me think that they are partners then that statement is not only scum-indicative for X but also for Y; and voting Y is voting a scumread) and only cares about their partner and themselves not being lynched.

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That you don't understand this is another sign that you are scum. The post you posted tells me that you are partners with DT.

Which means you are both scum.

I called you partners - what that means is obvious. This means that you are scum trying to find something you can name scummy.

BTW, I could very clearly see how Ejjinami was giving off some big-time scum vibes with the entrance along with DT. I'm more inclined to think that the explanation of not understanding American politics is both true, and also a convenient tool to explain away the scumminess. But what bothers me here is that

you weren't scum reading Ejj

and then it seemed to take very little to change your mind and cast your vote on Ejj.

I bolded the parts that conflict with each other.

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Post 62 Invisiblity is TRing ejjinami at this point.
Post 66 ejjinami makes what looks to me to be a compelling defense to the scum case on her.
Post 77 Invisibility says that he’s buying ejjinami’s authenticity.
Post 125 Invisibility starts SRing ejjinami.

I just want to understand better what changed here.

Another misunderstanding. Your question was reasonable, because it was not addressed to me... but to Invisibility.

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Mary and edge sure

Clarify this, please.

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doubtful he'd genuinely believe such bullshit
inference then is that he's being disingenuous

You are straight out wrong. I remember that this happened when I re-checked the scum posts of a game quite often(that people made posts when their partner or they themselves were voted early that looked panicked...).
Unfortunately, I sometimes excitedly rush to conclusions that make someone look scummy without taking something into account I should have seen.
I looked at other entrances of ejjinami in completed games.UNVOTE: ejjinami

How has this evolved?

You first?

Wait- that was not a rhetorical question?
It has evolved as I told you...

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Porkens I think you might be scum this game.

Reason?

Post 62 Invisiblity is TRing ejjinami at this point.
Post 66 ejjinami makes what looks to me to be a compelling defense to the scum case on her.
Post 77 Invisibility says that he’s buying ejjinami’s authenticity.
Post 125 Invisibility starts SRing ejjinami.

I just want to understand better what changed here.

Liking where my vote is

Same question.

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What exactly makes it look BS?

... and it's time for you to answer this:

Mary and edge sure

Clarify this, please.

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Mary is defending ej. Ej is pretty clearly scum. Your unvote makes no sense.

I think the proper thing to do is to let the replace-in have some time to read the thread and think things over.

This

makes no sense.

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aaand we have two days so im gonna have to compromise wagon

Vote this please.

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why are there people that aren’t voting porkens

Well... maybe because of this below?

if you look at the ISO of invisibility their posts contain:
-rvs/useless posts
-unexplained townread on ejj early on<---also possible nightkill target crumb?
-Vote NK, without any reasons(not even "I agree with X")
... and one question to MaryJo("Who is scum") that anyone could ask anywhere and that - at that point - is a bit strange(why would town ask this that early - normally people say their reads without being asked, and as town you normally ask only if people keep silent - and I see no real reason for this question but to appear as a "useful player".

Their behaviour looks to me like mainly non-committal play trying to avoid attention while still trying to look like an actually

useful contributor

.
We don't have any power roles. That means that this is scum indicative.
VOTE: Invisibility

aaand we have two days so im gonna have to compromise wagon

Vote this please.

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-Lynches will occur when a majority (>50%) is reached. If no majority is reached before deadline, the day will end in a no lynch. The number of votes needed to hammer will be included with every vote count.

In other words, we need 5 votes on someone before deadline or there is no lynch.

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After careful deliberation, and with 11 hours left..
VOTE: Porkens
... who should know better than unvoting close to deadline without any subsequent vote, and whose explanation for the invisibility read looks like a panicked scum read justification -

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Ok Jesus look I’m town my intro was not forced luv is either misrepping me on purpose or can’t read me.

Ej had an extremely scummy entrance which both NK and I picked up on. nK has abandoned that read But I think the replace out was scummy and luv pushing me feels like shooting for opportunity.

Mary joe was my lock for ej partner because of all the defending.

But I think nk is town, and I respect their reads, so That swayed me away from ej hence my mj read goes away and luv just cant read me.

I followed nk onto invis,

and then nk fucking left me there like a real piece of crap

, so now I feel like I’m holding a bag of shit.

But i don’t want to appear weak so I can’t back off my invis vote

even though it’s actually meh.

Also confirmation bias.

These are the things that stick out very much.
The first statement makes no sense, I backed up my suspicions on invisibility.
The second and third bolded statement don't fit together.

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4 hours left. Can someone please come here and hammer?

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STOP

It's MYLO.

Don't vote hastily.

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The Mafia somehow colluded on the kill.
Here are all mentions of Psyche that are suspicious:

looks like this is all the info im gonna get this d1
suppose i'll have to reach a little to decide who should die

Psyche can be town.

VOTE: psyche

I don’t like either of these wagons

VOTE: psyche

I don’t like either of these wagons

VOTE: psyche

Useless vote. Sad! Everybody knows the best vote right now is not known.

Mediocre Psyche wouldn't know how to license his name to a mob-tied Atlantic City casino project if his life depended on it. Sad!

I don’t like either of these wagons

VOTE: psyche

why psyche

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I don’t like either of these wagons

VOTE: psyche

Why is Psyche scum?

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wait
we're at 6/2
goes to 4/2
i dont think that we lose the game at 4/2 assuming the mafia get this nightkill as well

We are at 4/2.

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Invisibility

President Donald Trump

MaryJoLisa

Baezu
Porkens

Psyche

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Trump

can live for now

since his gimmick amuses me. I heard good things about

Mary Jo

so she

can be reevaluated tomorrow

.

(Quote changed to include the missing /; added bold parts)

Replacing out is NAI.

Why is NK15 town?

I don’t like either of these wagons

VOTE: psyche

Why is Psyche scum?

(also added bold parts here)

Now, THAT looks like a Psyche kill crumb.

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CNN doesn't want to talk about Baezu's "individual" "typo" where he signaled to his partner that they should vote for the NK target. Still SCUMMY!

The other collusion looks TOO obvious.

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I’m hearing about collusion between Trump and Invisibility and between Invisibility and Baezu. I’d thought I’d take a look at both sets of interactions and try to make a case for either pairing. I also noticed after writing this that NK15 suggested LUV and Baezu, so I'll look at that one too to see what I can glean from there.

Here’s what I think an Invisibility/Trump partnership might look like:

Spoiler:

Post 31 Invisibility votes for his partner, Donald Trump. That’s just distancing. According to Invisibility, RP alts suck.
Post 34 Trump redirects the team to ejjinami.
Post 39 Trump is clearly trying to take the lead on the team.
Post 46 Invisibility is suddenly okay with RP alts.
Post 53 Invisibility initiates a vote on psyche. Here, I think the team is just disagreeing on where the vote should be.
Post 112 Trump changes his daytime target from ejjinami to not known and in his vote, he’s acknowledging that ejjinami is a good vote. I think the message here is that Trump will push the NK15 wagon, and Invisibility should push the ejjinami wagon.
Post 120 Invisibility takes the time to defend against the possibility of having crumbed an NK target.
Post 132 Invisibility follows Trump and votes for ejjinami.
Post 134 Trump reaffirms that psyche is an acceptable target, but does not move his vote to psyche. I think this is the point where it’s decided that psyche should be the NK target.
Post 138 and post 141 I asked Invisibility some questions about why he suddenly switched his vote to ejjinami. Invisibility responds that he isn’t scum reading ejjinami, he’s only “not town reading” her. I suspect without a mafia PT to discuss in detail, he just hadn’t fully fleshed out a good cause for switching his vote.

***In hindsight, I can see that Invisibility’s ejjinami vote was about splitting up the wagons to see which one would bear fruit. Trump took NK and Invis took Ejjinami.

Post 151 Baezu votes Psyche which could be seen as being handy for scum.
Post 156 Invisibility asks, “Why psyche?” Baezu does not respond. Trump responds.
Post 158 Trump says psyche is a useless vote. I’m suggesting that Trump and Invisibility have already selected psyche for NK and they’re aiming for a different player in the day time.
Post 190 Psych places a vote on baezu. How convenient for scum.

***In Mafia101, we learned that vanity wagons are the best place to find scum. Except in this case, the vanity wagon was being driven by an absentee player who could reasonably have not checked in on the game. Baezu’s vanity wagon could be seen as a scapegoat to pin psyche’s NK on.

***The wagon leans a little toward Invisibility and then it moves over to Porkens.

Post 223 and post 224 Trump votes Porkens and then immediately switches to a vanity wagon on Not Known.

*** I don’t fully understand what is being signaled here, but this looks like some kind of signaling.

Post 226 Invisibility tells Trump to switch his vote to Porkens; the NK15 vote will not go through.
Post 251 Psyche votes Invisibility.
Post 252 Trump votes Invisibility bringing Invisibility to L-2 while Porkens is sitting at L-1.

***I don’t find this to be a particularly risky move because with three hours left on the clock and Trump monitoring the thread, he can unvote Invisibility if he goes to L-1 and place the hammer vote on Porkens. This move enables Trump to display his willingness to vote for Invis and his objection to voting for Townie Porkens.

Post 255, Post 256, Post 257 Invisibility appears to be genuinely disbelieving Trump’s audacity and urges him to take the vote on Porkens.

(Except Trump likes RPing and may very well be enjoying the pressure and staying in character while knowing full and well that he’s holding the cards.)

Post 267 Psyche votes the obvious choice to ensure the lynch goes through and Trump knew full and well that someone would come along to hammer Porkens.

*** I recognize that Trump’s suspicion of Baezu in D2 is very risky if he and Invisibility are scum partners because he’s essentially putting his partner next in the line of fire. But he if he’s scum with Invisibility and he can get a Baezu mislynch today, then they win the game. If he can’t get a Baezu mislynch, bussing his partner wouldn’t be bad for towncred and it’s exactly the kind of thing *Donald Trump* would do.

Now let’s see what an Invisibility/Baezu partnership might look like:

Spoiler:

Post 49 Baezu’s initial vote is for Invisibility (ignoring the typo for Individual). Distancing and acknowledging her partner.
Post 53 Invisibility votes for psyche. This would be RVS, but it looks to me like Invisibility is proposing a target.
Post 151 Baezu claims not to like either wagon and switches her vote to psyche, signaling to Invisibility where she wants the NK target to go.
Post 156 Psyche asks Baezu "why psyche".
Post 159 Invisibility votes Baezu which looks like distancing to me.
Post 190 Psyche scum reads Baezu making him a threat to this scum team if they didn’t think they could shake him through persuasion.
Post 204 and post 205 Invisibility votes Baezu again and six minutes later votes for Porkens. That was clearly not intended as a pressure vote. It was a distancing vote.

If there are errors in the work above, please correct them. I tried to double check everything but mistakes do happen. I'm not ready to place my vote, but I'm leaning toward Invisibility because he's the common denominator. Things seems to be revolving around him.

The problem is the material from LUV - it could be connected to Baezu(but also to Invisibility btw). And in that case, we have a problem.

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This are the teams I am considering(not in order of relevance!):

Invisibility - DT
Invisibility - Baezu
Invisibility - LUV
LUV - Baezu

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I think Invisibility-DT has counter-evidence:

VOTE: invisibility

That could hammer Porkens. Instead, it sends Invisibility to L-2; and because I voted Invisibility before this risks me voting for Invisibility and suddenly Porkens is L-2 and Invisibility at L-1.

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Yeah, but I addressed that in my spoiler above. Take a look at posts 253 - 257. I think it could have been a power move for DT and Invisibility's panic looked genuine. He was speaking directly to Trump. He wasn't saying, "you should vote for Porkens because..." He was more or less saying, "What are you doing?? This was not the plan!"

In your analysis you say that it would still empower Trump to re- vote Porkens and hammer. No.
If anyone on Porkens switches then Porkens cannot be hammered, and almost everyone was on Porkens or Invisibility. The counter-evidence isn't completely convincing, though - after all, it could have been an attempted bus for maximum towncred.

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Invisibility

President Donald Trump

MaryJoLisa

Baezu
Porkens

Psyche

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Trump

can live for now

since his gimmick amuses me. I heard good things about

Mary Jo

so she

can be reevaluated tomorrow

.

(Quote changed to include the missing /; added bold parts)

Replacing out is NAI.

Why is NK15 town?

I don’t like either of these wagons

VOTE: psyche

Why is Psyche scum?

(also added bold parts here)

Now, THAT looks like a Psyche kill crumb.

Nobody else looked at this, right? Otherwise the reactions make no sense.

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Nobody else looked at this, right? Otherwise the reactions make no sense.

What do you mean? I did see that you made that post and it resonated with me, but it didn't feel like the silver bullet. Maybe walk me through it?

First, they made a list, with possible lynches; 4 people were not possible lynches:Psyche, Donald, you, me.
In the same post they basically eliminated Donald and yourself as possible NK targets.
This leaves only me and Psyche, and by asking why I am town(despite me being a strike - out!) the target for the NK is obvious...

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VOTE: Invisibility

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like actually someone unvote I am town and I don’t want to lose

No, you are scum, and your reaction looks like one from someone who has given up.
There are 2 scum and 4 town left. 4 people are needed for a lynch.
Every townie needs to be on a scum lynch if the other scum doesn't bus.
That means that town in Baezu/Donald can actually quickhammer right away.

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CAN WE PLEASE IUST LYNCCH BAEZU FIRST????????
LIKE ACTUALLY
THE CRUMHS ARE THERE FOR BOTH IF US
BAEZU IS SCUMMIRR ON HER OWN

This sudden simulated change of emotions should fool no one.

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(Especially because it is simply not credible)

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Different opinions are expressed and I make a decisive and final decision - it is a very simple process.
Obviously town - didn't select a nightkill target.
VOTE: Invisibility

About to get on a plane, will comb thread thoroughly tonight

Obviously town - didn't select a nightkill target.

---> Scum team: LUV, MaryJoLisa
Unfortunately, that's only from my POV.
However...
LUV was the only one who left something that could be a nightkill crumb for Psyche and isn't proven town.
VOTE: LittleUziVert

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Invisibility

President Donald Trump

MaryJoLisa

Baezu
Porkens

Psyche

Not Known 15

Trump

can live for now

since his gimmick amuses me. I heard good things about

Mary Jo

so she

can be reevaluated tomorrow

.

(Quote changed to include the missing /; added bold parts)

Replacing out is NAI.

Why is NK15 town?

I don’t like either of these wagons

VOTE: psyche

Why is Psyche scum?

(also added bold parts here)

Now, THAT looks like a Psyche kill crumb.

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Town does not vote so quickly in MYLO here.

It isn't MYLO. It is LYLO.

You are 100% scum from my view, as is MaryJo.
Donald and Baezu are mechanically cleared.