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Fumuki is the 'what' instead of 'which' intentional, or do you have autocorrect?
Based on posts so far I definitely don't fit in with this group of personalities.
VOTE: notanaxehole
Anyone who knows me knows I'm MS's janitor on a one-man quest to eradicate self-votes.
Also lately MS players have been shit at day 1, and have shown absolutely no respect to how important it is, so whatever. At least I would have voted the morally right way.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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Don't block me I'm town super cop.In post 46, TheWizard wrote:I am the town roleblocker.
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I want nero to be town so I'm just going to assume he's town.
Fumuki's sarcasm strikes me as a personality quirk, so I don't know if it's AI yet, but from what I can see people are having a hard time understanding what she means or doesn't mean. So overall result is anti-town atm, Fumuki. Please minimize it.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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What's up sky?
Why are people talking about lynching you?My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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This feels LAMIST to me. Notice how no one else seemed to care about that claim because it was kinda obviously a joke.In post 50, RuiRui wrote:
It's probably ideal for you to not use your ability at all on night 1In post 46, TheWizard wrote:I am the town roleblocker.
The chance you stop a scum kill is low, while blocking a town role can be pretty bad
Why do you make excuses in your head for scummy behavior? Like push it and make them convince you they're town if they're actually town. Saying this could be town or scum and then deciding they're town is just arbitrary. Might as well assign a random read to all the players.In post 134, Sickofit1138 wrote:In post 132, nomnomnom wrote:Silence.
For God's sake.In post 133, Saudade wrote:I kill you
Ftr I think these two are town, my gut is saying that scum wouldn't be so blatantly shitposting and anti contributing. though ofc this can be WiFoM, my gut says town
Bad town (Stop it you guys). But still town ntl
Okay so I didn't like your earlier posting regarding wizard because I felt like you knew wizard was town and just wanted to look like you were giving him advice, when almost everyone elsr treated his claim like the joke it clearly was. But I like that you noticed this. Performer's post was bad because it comes across as really hedgy and robotic. And there doesn't seem to be a point even. What was he hoping to achieve apart from posting just to post? He doesn't end up with a read on axe, he doesn't agree or disagree with any of axe's reads.In post 183, RuiRui wrote:
I scumread this post slightly because it seems to be a certain type of explanation/analysis that I think comes from scumIn post 61, Performer wrote:I don't get how people are stating "x is town" already with what's been posted so far.
For instance it appears there's a lot of joke posting, along with "I'm a PR/specific PR" posts, which sounds like messing around a lot. First impression is that it's null, can't get a good enough read from that yet. Could be town gambiting or scum gambiting.
Really? I would think it's the opposite. It's much easier to townread people when you actually know they're town. Like how sometimes masons look really weird with their mason partners etc. The lack of a single townread would be really weird from scum nero. Even if you don't agree with this poing wouldn't you agree that it is natural for townies to get townreads in the process of scumhunting, so how long do you think he'd be able to keep up not giving a townread before it looks really weird? He'd do it to imitate town at the very least.In post 222, NotAnAxehole wrote:RosterFoster attacking anything against Nero Cain without providing any substance is really weird and noteworthy.
Also, the lack of a single town read from Nero Cain seems like an experienced scum's way of saying I don't want to give up any information if I die.
What made you remove me from the list?In post 357, Nero Cain wrote:
IKR!In post 356, KidAmn wrote:That is an unheard of level of consistency for you to be fair /s
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EeveeLution Army
is kinda where I'm leaning.
VOTE: EeveeLution Army
I find axe's readlist really suspicious. I like disagree with almost all of it. I certainly townread all his scumreads (with varying degree), I disagree with some of his townreads, and I think some fit more in the null pile by the looks of it.
I find the confidence of axe and nom that axe won't be lynched really weird. Not how I imagine an innocent reacting to being wagoned.
If ruirui is scum I think that spews wizard town, though I'm not super confident on that. Especially that wizard himself is very scummy. I can see rui and axe being scum together taking different approaches to wizard's claim for distancing while bringing more attention to wizard's slot.
Though if wizard's posting doesn't improve then occam's razor would point to him being scum.
Performer is your main outed? If so can I know who it is?
@nom - I think axe's posts aren't obviously townie. They are suspect in certain places, but more importantly can easily be faked as scum. What specifically makes you think differently?
I think I want more time to figure out rui / wizard.
I'm in favor of an axe or performer lynch atm.
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When it's on page 2 and his first post of the game and there's no pressure on him and nobody else claimed and it's not a miller claim and it's not a day ability and it doesn't direct the lynch in any way and it has no town benefit and it has no scum benefit and it doesn't move the conversation and it doesn't stop the conversation...RuiRui wrote:
How is claiming roleblocker a joke?In post 377, NerfedBuJ wrote:This feels LAMIST to me. Notice how no one else seemed to care about that claim because it was kinda obviously a joke.
But maybe he's roleblocker. Saves the rest of us from being NK'd.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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@Performer. This was about post 61. And I asked about main to see if we had other games together.In post 377, NerfedBuJ wrote:Performer's post was bad because it comes across as really hedgy and robotic. And there doesn't seem to be a point even. What was he hoping to achieve apart from posting just to post? He doesn't end up with a read on axe, he doesn't agree or disagree with any of axe's reads.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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There's already a wagon on Axe. We can lynch someone right now.In post 402, Nero Cain wrote:So we are all waiting for deadline to get near and then we are gonna lynch evee right?
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Meh. Seems a bit hypocritical when calling wizard for not pushing a scumread and when saying roster is doing bare minimum.In post 415, Nero Cain wrote:how do you feel about evee?
The townread on axe is odd, so is how he asked nom about it.
Does give off a vibe of someone not willing to share opinions in fear of slipping.
But I wouldn't say he's scummier than axe or even performer based on these things so far. Just feel more strongly about those 2.
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Lower post count - yesIn post 444, Skygazer wrote:lower post count but if he's sick and is actually town that'll probs change, i feel like he's going for a LHF vote with you esp when i have reason to believe ur town, and the gamestate indicates that scum are fine with the wagons because no strong counterwagons are forming which would indicate that scum are in the lurkers
also i really think he'd push me more for SRing him for lurking rather than just waving away the fact that he was lurking, from what i remember he likes to push ppl SRing him when he's town and tends to avoid it as scum
LHF lynch - not seeing it. Nom is pretty openly against it, and it's been hovering at 2 or 3 votes forever. Also he's one of the most outspoken so far and doesn't strike me as someone who'll be easy to lynch
Gamestate - disagree there. There's no obvious wagon attracting most of the votes, the vote shifts seem to be happening slowly and gradually. Sudden moves by scum like trying to force a counterwagon would be the one thing they will desperately avoid as it will expose them. This is a premature gamestate read if anything. But it's also confusing, like are you townreading the people voting you?
Meta - I don't know about me sring people more as town or not, it's possible I do by a small margin. But why would I SR you for finding my inactivity suspicious? Are you saying your own meta argument is wrong about me?
Regardless of how my meta will evolve in the future or how I play on this account, as far as you know I do post a whole lot less as scum. Why would I be suspicious of you for noticing?
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Sickofit has triggered my secret scum tell alarm. Just saying this now for bragging rights. I'm not giving away my tell. (Also the sample size is still too small to make conclusions from and if it's no longer secret scum would probably stop doing it)My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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She asked me direct questions and I haven't sorted her yet.In post 473, Saudade wrote:@Bu
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Kidamn's iso is pretty bad but the two posts of actual analysis in there are pretty decent. Roster and sky are still null for me so it's not that I agree completely but this sort of posting is very good for town, unlike the earlier shitposting.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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Relevant in seeing if I have previous meta on you or not.In post 508, Saudade wrote:
Idk who you are so.. zero? Is it relevant?In post 503, NerfedBuJ wrote:Saudade how many games do we have together?My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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We actually do have a game together. One in which you played poorly, got mad at people for suspecting you for that, called us all idiots even though we townies were absolutely killing it, lynching scum in day 1 and day 2 before lynching your slot on day 3 I believe that yes, was town sadly, but eventually finished the game off with a town win in under 30 pages. You did rep-out at some point though so I don't know how much you missed.In post 510, Saudade wrote:nobody has a meta on me at the moment
So given your much more level-headed play here you've either matured or you're scum. Or both I guess. But you haven't been pressured or suspected much from what I can see and me saying that now would negate any reaction test to you, but my ego told me to just trust my townlean on you so I don't care.
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I'm more confident on the kid townread now. Good on you for making up for the shitposting.
I just don't know if I can scumread sky just yet. Like I acknowledge that she is being a bit weird wrt my slot in general. And like I believe I've given her enough to townread me because I just can't come up with anything more without it being forced nonsense. It's just her being scum is not making that much sense to me given her play overall and other people's posts about her. She does seem more like a victim in this gamestate, than someone who wants to buddy me and manipulate me/rest of town.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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I'm just going to try something new.
Let's go with wisdom of the crowd.
If sky flips town right here in day 1 I think town loses, and we prove that democracy doesn't work and enjoy being right personally.
And if she flips scum then we win while doing none of the hard work.
Win - win in my book.
On BuJaber my ego doesn't allow me to do something like this, but I don't play on my main anymore.
What do you say?
Sorry sky your death is for a very noble cause.
*gun salute*
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Individually?NotAnAxehole wrote:
Who do you think is scum? Sickofit? Anyone else?In post 543, NerfedBuJ wrote:I'm just going to try something new.
Let's go with wisdom of the crowd.
If sky flips town right here in day 1 I think town loses, and we prove that democracy doesn't work and enjoy being right personally.
And if she flips scum then we win while doing none of the hard work.
You, performer, sickofit, wizard, eevee
And I'll throw in roster for good measure.
That's what? 3/6, 50%
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To see if you'll go along with my fun plan.In post 547, Nero Cain wrote:
I care more about being right than winning. What is the point of this question?In post 542, NerfedBuJ wrote:Nero how important is winning to you?My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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I mean really what's the point of discussion and logic when after all of it nomnom doesn't even drop the percentage to 99%.
Axe is openwolfing and has 3 sheepers, do you really want to do this for 200 more pages?
I'll do it if you want but I really think I'll feel better just sheeping and finding out if I'm right quicker.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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I voted for sky because it's faster to show people they're wrong than to talk them into it. Especially when attempts to explain it have fallen on dead hands. I'm fine losing if it will teach town!nom not to trust and sheep someone that is open wolfing.
I know there are better ways, but I'm a petty man.
Tell me one post in this game that is worse than "Axe is 100% town".
So to respond to you nero, I don't think nom is open wolfing. I think nom is town being pulled by a leash.
@sky - your wagon analysis is wrong imo. Probably 2 scum in the first 4 votes of your wagon.
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This is looking even better now.In post 548, NerfedBuJ wrote:
Individually?NotAnAxehole wrote:
Who do you think is scum? Sickofit? Anyone else?In post 543, NerfedBuJ wrote:I'm just going to try something new.
Let's go with wisdom of the crowd.
If sky flips town right here in day 1 I think town loses, and we prove that democracy doesn't work and enjoy being right personally.
And if she flips scum then we win while doing none of the hard work.
You, performer, sickofit, wizard, eevee
And I'll throw in roster for good measure.
That's what? 3/6, 50%
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Really man? If I hand you two scum you'd still think I'm more likely to be bussing than me being town and right?In post 590, Nero Cain wrote:
ehhhh....In post 548, NerfedBuJ wrote:You, performer, sickofit, wizard, eevee
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Explain saudade, axe, roster, performer, FLIn post 605, Skygazer wrote:Townpool (I'm much better at townreading correctly than scumreading correctly): [saudade slot]/axe/nom/nero/roster/performer/flavor leaf
Will dive more into reads tonight
Some I disagree with, some I need to hear reasons for. To me many slots are town by PoE not because they've towned it up on their own.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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@Sky And I wish you hadn't said you tried a gambit.
You were pretty clearly town. Now wrong town will just shrug off their terrible read because "you were playing scummy", and next game they'll be manipulated again and join another wagon on town just as easily.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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Oh shit thanks I used the wrong word.In post 620, NotAnAxehole wrote:
This is funny.In post 616, NerfedBuJ wrote:I voted for sky because it's faster to show people they're wrong than to talk them into it. Especially when attempts to explain it have fallen on dead hands. I'm fine losing if it will teach town!nom not to trust and sheep someone that is open wolfing.
I know there are better ways, but I'm a petty man.
Tell me one post in this game that is worse than "Axe is 100% town".
So to respond to you nero, I don't think nom is open wolfing. I think nom is town being pulled by a leash.
@sky - your wagon analysis is wrong imo. Probably 2 scum in the first 4 votes of your wagon.
VOTE: Axe
But it actually has be townreading BuJ
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Could it really be?In post 625, NotAnAxehole wrote:
I haven't played with anyone here.In post 624, NerfedBuJ wrote:Axe you haven't played with sky before, have you?
I have a hard time believing it (not that you haven't played with her, but that you're town), but damn.. maybe you're town and nom is the scum instead.
Hell of a play from nom though if that's the case I gotta say.
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Yes the noble cause was to show that democracy is stupid.In post 629, Performer wrote:The thing that really made me wonder is you said "you were pretty clearly town" about skygazer.
Yet in 543 you literally went with the crowd and said her death was for some noble cause??
Wisdom of the crowd doesn't work in things like this because not all opinions are equal.
Wisdom of the crowd works for estimating numbers. That's about it. Because some overguess and some underguess. There's no actual thought involved.
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She would have hypothetically called a townie 100% town with no evidence and got away with it, if I've got your and her read mixed up.
That is mind blowingly good. If I can achieve even half of that in one game I would seriously just shit talk everyone. I'd think myself the absolute king of scum.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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Then vote wizard because I guarantee you it was a joke.In post 634, NotAnAxehole wrote:I mean, I think it's TheWizard, RuiRui +1.
RuiRui's focus on Performer makes no sense. I mean, performer hasn't screamed town, but to be that fixated on him and not willing to even consider the game happening around them... Is... Highly suspect.
TheWizard claimed roleblocker, if it's a joke, its a scum joke... If it's an actual claim, THERE IS NO TOWN ROLEBLOCKER THIS GAME.
I just don't know if that makes him scum for sure like you seem to think.
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In post 548, NerfedBuJ wrote:
Individually?NotAnAxehole wrote:
Who do you think is scum? Sickofit? Anyone else?In post 543, NerfedBuJ wrote:I'm just going to try something new.
Let's go with wisdom of the crowd.
If sky flips town right here in day 1 I think town loses, and we prove that democracy doesn't work and enjoy being right personally.
And if she flips scum then we win while doing none of the hard work.
You, performer, sickofit, wizard, eevee
And I'll throw in roster for good measure.
That's what? 3/6, 50%
Not the best percentage accuracy but that's all we have to work with so far.My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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OH AM I??In post 642, NotAnAxehole wrote:
You're townreading TheWizard too though. You should vote there with me instead.In post 639, NerfedBuJ wrote:Okay I'll drop my superiority complex if you flip town and nom flips scum. Both has to happen.
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I'm just very good at reading gamestatesIn post 646, Skygazer wrote:VOTE: buj
buj i really dont see how you thought i was town
i was literally being open about going after lynchbait and flailing over my wagon
and thats a really weird flex to lynch a player ur confident is town (which reeks of tmi) to stick it to all the other players
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Not enough votes there, I think your lynch is far better for day 1.In post 649, NotAnAxehole wrote:
Ah, mybad I meant scum reading. Keeping up on this broken phone is difficult. You should understand what I mean to say is vote for TheWizard and stop bussing yourself.In post 645, NerfedBuJ wrote:
OH AM I??In post 642, NotAnAxehole wrote:
You're townreading TheWizard too though. You should vote there with me instead.In post 639, NerfedBuJ wrote:Okay I'll drop my superiority complex if you flip town and nom flips scum. Both has to happen.
Because if you've been reading I'm townreading nom and scumreading you.
Wizard can't talk himself out of a lynch, given how he has gained no popularity at all.
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You say that now, but no flips yet.In post 652, NotAnAxehole wrote:
The wagon was initially all town though.In post 650, NerfedBuJ wrote:It wasn't your individual play necessarily sky, your wagon spewed you town.
And even if that's the case it just means scum couldn't make their move.
The wagon hovered on 3 or 4 votes for a very long time. 2 scum on it already OR all town and scum couldn't risk hammering it too soon in the day.
In both cases it indicates a wagon on town.
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That comes from all the talk to me and about me and how you had to sort me and all that.In post 653, Skygazer wrote:
but this implies you had a meta read on me tooIn post 630, NerfedBuJ wrote:Like if you had played with sky before that's it you're scum 100%.
You're gonna tell me that is part of making you look scummy?
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Friend sorting and/or interacted with people you like is a big part of your game, would you disagree?In post 660, Skygazer wrote:i mean im not sure how that turns into axe being scum if he had played w me before tho?
i do really wish you had rolled town here, early day was a cluster and i did genuinely want you to be town so i wouldnt have to lynch you
So when it is genuine sorting, it would be town-indicative.
I haven't seen scum!sky yet as far as I recall, but obviously the 'sorting' part would be fake when you're scum. And from what I remember skitter saying, you'd actually be avoiding ingeracted too much with people who know you as scum.
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She's half right, do follow her if I get lynched D1.In post 664, Skygazer wrote:so can you please trust my buj/sick reads since ill be conftown tomorrow anyways?My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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Why aren't you responding to this sky?In post 662, NerfedBuJ wrote:
Friend sorting and/or interacted with people you like is a big part of your game, would you disagree?In post 660, Skygazer wrote:i mean im not sure how that turns into axe being scum if he had played w me before tho?
i do really wish you had rolled town here, early day was a cluster and i did genuinely want you to be town so i wouldnt have to lynch you
So when it is genuine sorting, it would be town-indicative.
I haven't seen scum!sky yet as far as I recall, but obviously the 'sorting' part would be fake when you're scum. And from what I remember skitter saying, you'd actually be avoiding ingeracted too much with people who know you as scum.
Is any of that wrong?My main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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So do you still scumread me then?In post 670, Skygazer wrote:i agree that i do tend to sort friends first/better
also agree that interacting with certain people as scum terrifies me but im trying to get better at interactionsMy main is BuJaber.- NerfedBuJ
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What exactly does that even mean?In post 687, Wagonomics wrote:543 seems lynchbaity in a way that would slightly surprise me coming from Buj, but I suppose it's not impossible he's scum.
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What's the concern here from people reluctant to vote?
Nero ?
You think wizard is town and axe is scum?
How do you imagine day 2 going if that's the case?
When both you and I were united we didn't get much support for an axe wagon. You think he puts himself back in danger like that?
If axe flips scum does that clear wizard? No
I think it's very likely wizard flips scum here. Then we can discuss why and if axe is bussing here.
Like we're having day 2 conversations before we even have a flip and I don't understand why.My main is BuJaber. - NerfedBuJ
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