large normal 219: COOL NEW ANIMALS (done!!)

[nomnomnom]

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: nomnomnom

Bad entrance

Okay let's try again.

Ya know who's not an interesting animal?

VOTE: rosterfoster

Take that you normal animal.

[nomnomnom]

Ok I haven't been following who should i vote for tbh

[nomnomnom]

Why the fuck are ppl claiming.

Unfortunately Kid there will be no dick sucking. Yes, I am the hated straight white male. Sorry to disappoint you.

no way!!!!!!

[nomnomnom]

lol

VOTE: Fumuki

[nomnomnom]

I`ll make this more self-evident if someone didn`t understand

Imagine the amount of

info

we can gain by

mislynching

someone.

Since there`s a confirmed 12:3, as long as the nightkill happens, that means we can afford 3 mislynches. Then in that case, I think the real optimal play here is:

Day 1: Infolynch (mislynch)

Day 2: Infolynch again (mislynching twice)

Day 3: maybe lynching scum but...mehhhh, third time is the charm. Info is better than lynching mafia so Infolynch for sure. (final mislynch).

I think when the ratio gets to 3:3, we finally might have

info

enough to lynch scum.

Yeah, probably the optimal play here. I`m pretty confident in this.

But since I`m bad at mafia I always try to lynch the scummiest slot instead of gaining

info

. I know, I`m dumb but I can`t help it.

I recommend everyone to infolynch though.

tl;dr what i say has no meaning

[nomnomnom]

I was joking until a moment ago

but nomnom, are you really scum?

that`s sad

That's a lot of joke posts in a row.

You know who likes to substitute actual content for meaningless stuff? Scums.

[nomnomnom]

I don't consider "I don't play like this as scum" a meaningful discussion, for all that's worth.

[nomnomnom]

I don't consider "I don't play like this as scum" a meaningful discussion, for all that's worth.

In other words you want to ignore my 1-year solid meta?

Well, that`s fine to me but wrong.

When you are self-aware of your own meta it becomes a meaningless axis of discussion because you can use it to deflect discussion and get away with things you wouldn't be able to get away with in the first place.

[nomnomnom]

You:

1. said "I don`t know who to for vote for" when we were in page 3 or 4 and it definitely wasn`t hard to read the game
2. took my joke post seriously even though you later recognize that I was joking around and never had a problem with my joke votes on SickofIt

It`s like, weird.

It's almost like I was trying to get reactions, and it worked since you suddenly switched on me when you had a good case on sickofit. So couple that with the fact you post a lot of stuff that doesn't actually mean anything/jokes, and that gives us a very scummy looking player.

[nomnomnom]

It's almost like I was trying to get reactions, and it worked since you suddenly switched on me when you had a good case on sickofit. So couple that with the fact you post a lot of stuff that doesn't actually mean anything/jokes, and that gives us a very scummy looking player.

I mean, I can get somewhat someone trying to get reactions but...I can also see scum saying "I was trying to get reactions" everytime they do something scummy?

and what do you mean by "good case" on sickofit?

What case?

Sickofit had the most scummy looking entrance but that was minor. I had actually a half-case in Eeevee, but I thought your post/behavior was a bit scummier than his (since you did not only the same thing as him, but in a worse way).

What is there of scummy in switching votes to you?

The way you did it.

[nomnomnom]

They’re very sheepable.

I love you too.

[nomnomnom]

Silence.

[nomnomnom]

It's not shitposting, the thread is dying so I'm trying to get more activity going before we already fall in apathy

[nomnomnom]

Hmm...

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Sky

This seems like a fairly obvious scum slot to me, maybe it's more subtle than that, but I don't buy it.

[nomnomnom]

It's not naked, you've provided nothing of substance to conversations and jumped on a vote because someone asked you to.

You're an obvious scum slot to me.

[nomnomnom]

Axe is town btw

[nomnomnom]

ok lol

[nomnomnom]

Axe is town btw

is this like a "i would never lynch there" level of town?

We're never lynching axe today.

[nomnomnom]

smash em now

[nomnomnom]

It's a shitshow and i'll proudly be part of it you bitch

[nomnomnom]

It's a shitshow and i'll proudly be part of it you bitch

i like dont know you could u please not call me that

so cold...

[nomnomnom]

yeaaaah

no

[nomnomnom]

I taught him all he knows

you're fired

[nomnomnom]

I don't really like any of the Axe, Nero, or sky wagons today actually.

What other suggestions do you have, then?

[nomnomnom]

The only real town fleeing I have is I feel that nom is town just due to how she went about defending axe when he was being pressured. It wasn’t like a scum trying to defend there scum partner but an absolute insistence that axe was town and that she would never consider voting for axe. So she must know something.

Huuuuh no.

Axe is just town, it's fairly obvious.

[nomnomnom]

Why?

Also Nom I thought you gave reasons

Participates in the game fairly often and the posts are genuine. Can't imagine a scum making this kind of post.

[nomnomnom]

I would get on an eevee wagon, although I'd rather get sky lynched rn

[nomnomnom]

sell me on sky

I can't. It's just a gut feeling, but a strong one at that.

[nomnomnom]

I'm with Saudade here.

[nomnomnom]

im TRing axe/nom for reasons.

So what happened to your "I get it" post where you suddenly unvoted? That's a big 180 right there.

[nomnomnom]

Tbh I feel to see a better lynch than Sky today

[nomnomnom]

fail*

[nomnomnom]

Tbh I feel to see a better lynch than Sky today

not evee? not wizard?

I'd rather choose sky over these two.

[nomnomnom]

We have a lot of one people wagons, that isn't good imo

[nomnomnom]

I scum read Skygazer.

you know there are at least 3 scum in this game right? A singular scum read feels pretty fake and as scum gives you plenty of leverage to push w/e.

I'd be fine with axe or evee.

Not "At least 3 scums". 3 scums.

[nomnomnom]

UNVOTE:

I'm not willing to risk this right now. Let me rethink the situation.

[nomnomnom]

Hm, I like those two upper posts, aside from putting FL in your town block, which I find weird.

VOTE: sickofit

I'd rather vote this though. I have more faith in this.

[nomnomnom]

I'm okay with this.

VOTE: TheWizard

[nomnomnom]

What if this is a bus? The whole guy claimes RB in his first post and then we just happen to have an informed role seems like such a 1 in a million coincidence that it seems almost staged.

Informed role? I didn't see such a thing?

[nomnomnom]

yawn

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Nomnom

Actually, let’s put this back. See what this does.

Probably not much tbh

[nomnomnom]

I won't move off Wizard until you give me a good reason to do so.

[nomnomnom]

Well, that's an omgus right there.

[nomnomnom]

So yeah, can we just lynch TheWizard and quick lynch his scum buddy tomorrow, this game is awful... One scum left to find.

This is scum

This was sarcasm btw, I mostly just think axe should be lynched because his reasoning is surfacelevel garbage and he's probably going to make town lose. I'm indifferent about wiz's alignment but the 1v1 is almost certainly some sort of asinine gambit even if wiz is scum. Axe spewing surfacelevel garbage can be scum even if this is a slightly more convoluted gambit than I'd expect from scum

VOTE: nomnom

"That was an omgus" post was also awful and I'm feeling kneejerky

How is that awful when I described what you were doing?
Are you alright? You seem like you need some fresh hair.

[nomnomnom]

I am however, slightly unnerved at the speed of wizards bandwagon. From none to 4 so quickly. Especially that those voting for wizard moved from sky prety much as a block.

That's because from a gamesolving perspective it makes the most sense.

[nomnomnom]

I'm honestly concerned by how wag is playing, let's put it that way.

[nomnomnom]

from my POV you could just possibly be scum, idk.

Who are you referring to?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Nomnomnom

Let’s just speed lynch this and move to Day 2.

You were already voting me lol

Why are you so opposed to wiz' wagon if you want to speedlynch and use your PR?

[nomnomnom]

Who are you referring to?

Does it really matter? also Boon

Well, yes, when you say someone could be scum I kinda wanna know who you're referring to, if only for posterity.

[nomnomnom]

What are you guys even on about lmao

[nomnomnom]

Wanna speed lynch Axe?

VOTE: Axehole

You sound desperate for a lynch.

How about going for the fastest one instead?

[nomnomnom]

I guess general questions are ignored at this point in the fiesta

Nom you ever play with sick? What you think of that slot?

Huuuuh I'm mostly new to the site, only player I played with here is roster.

sick is a bit awkward, null-to-scum so far

[nomnomnom]

I can’t mention why, but I see Wizard as the type who messes around as town an will claim randomly early games.

Why are you so quick to defend someone when you're not even sure why they did a certain thing?

Like you're quick to explain why he did it.

[nomnomnom]

@wag would you be willing to vote wiz to get the gamestate moving? I honestly think we're reaching a point where we need his lynch to get somewhere

[nomnomnom]

You can only ketchup if you relish the time you have

why did I laugh

[nomnomnom]

Oh and if anyone has meta on nom to share that might be helpful.

Only completed one game on site so if anyone tells you they have meta on me (except roster and even then I'd be surprised) they'd be lying.

[nomnomnom]

Because I didn’t have real reads.

but what was the point of posting a fake read?

What’s the point in doing nothing?

I'd be questioning that but I know how you function and that's your town game in general, so heh.

[nomnomnom]

12 town and 3 mafia, people.

[nomnomnom]

12 town and 3 mafia, people.

Snap nom read the op

Well apparently not everyone did given the current discussion soooo

[nomnomnom]

Tbh all the slots with little activity are all clumping together in my brain, and I haven't given enough of a look to know where I stand in then from recent activity. Will put this on my to do list for let when I get back as well.

... Just vote so that we can get this over with before the weekend, you're not shifting the wagon, so just vote.

Claim?

I promise to claim the moment Day 2 starts.

I think you might be jumping to conclusions too fast based on incomplete information

What is THAT supposed to mean

[nomnomnom]

These wagons make me sad, is it too late to do something else?

What is THAT supposed to mean

I don't know... what do you think it means?

That you have something to tell the class, perhaps.

[nomnomnom]

Let's not make any more blatant mistakes like that, yeah?

[nomnomnom]

We are going to our doom like this, we need claims.

[nomnomnom]

We are going to our doom like this, we need claims.

Why though, it's more fun with less info. Also schadd knows his stuff, claims could cause hurt more than help, like I doubt a massclaim is game breaking in a schadd setup.

We already mislynched on the basis of a claim and we've had PR claims left and right and it's proven people are outright lying about them for no reason whatsoever.

I don't care about what's more fun, I think not organizing a sort of massclaim is hurting town here.

[nomnomnom]

We really don’t. It’s D2 of a large confirmed 3 mafia.

I think I know what Sky’s getting at so scum might have figured it out already (unless I’m completely wrong ofc).

It’s not verifiable, and Buj has been scummy so like I don’t feel I trust that result either.

VOTE: Sky

Like look at this, you claim we "don't need it" but look at the amount of assumptions in your post. Scums could literally make anyone believe anything at this point and creates assumptions on top of assumptions. If you really think town has any chance of winning in these conditions you are incredibly mistaken.

[nomnomnom]

If we take the friendly neighbour claim at face value there’s only one role she could be claiming no?

This does not mean we need a massclaim.

You're missing the point. Look at the bigger picture and the number of claims we've had, and the number of claims that have been proven false already or at least unproven and uncertain.

Scums profit from an environment like this and I propose we break the illusion and start claiming.

[nomnomnom]

Yeah that’s a remarkably convenient claim.

It does almost make me think whether this is setup WIFOM but most likely Sky is just scum.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?

[nomnomnom]

Axe explain. My PoE is approximately 10.

I kind of see Nom but IDK. It feels wrong.

It feels wrong but it might be our only option here. I have a feeling that not claiming today is a liability for us all.

[nomnomnom]

Also VOTE: Sky

[nomnomnom]

kind of obvious why i would check buj there, was wagon's strongest SR and i was going back and forth and just wanted peace of mind on the slot

I'd also like to understand why wag's scumread was the most important to check, given that he only died tonight...

Is that a slip?

[nomnomnom]

kind of obvious why i would check buj there, was wagon's strongest SR and i was going back and forth and just wanted peace of mind on the slot

I'd also like to understand why wag's scumread was the most important to check, given that he only died tonight...

Is that a slip?

krazy was the best player here and i had a heavy TR on his slot

of course im gonna check his SR

Okay but I don't get it, you had your vote on sickofit for most of the day, and axe was a pretty sr as well. Why check someone's scumread instead? It doesn't make sense at all given how you've interacted this game so far.

[nomnomnom]

mm Sky you say your a disloyal freindly neigbour rather than a loyal one. If you didnt want to say you were disloyal becuase it would make the role useless. Then why didnt you just say you were simply a freindly neigbour and miss out the disployal/loyal bit. And simply target some you think is scum. Without them knowing the disloyal/loyal part.



Since no one can confirm you and at worst we will get bjue as a confirmed townie.

VOTE: Sky

Now THAT is a bunch of bullshit.

Hmmm... Would bob be a better lynch target today for this horrendous post?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: bob

I changed my mind.

[nomnomnom]

Death now.

[nomnomnom]

She never said she was a loyal friendly neighbour?

Kind of assumed from her sayign today disloyal freidnly neigbour. That she must of claimed loyal or something.

Been 2 days sicne ive looked at the forum

Your posts and votes feel like opportunism since the start and your latest reason to vote Sky was the proof of it.

If you flip as anything else than scum I will be shocked.

[nomnomnom]

She never said she was a loyal friendly neighbour?

Kind of assumed from her sayign today disloyal freidnly neigbour. That she must of claimed loyal or something.

Been 2 days sicne ive looked at the forum

Your posts and votes feel like opportunism since the start and your latest reason to vote Sky was the proof of it.

If you flip as anything else than scum I will be shocked.

My reason for voting for sky is that no one can confirm it. And I plain just dont belive him

He as looking liek scum to me a start of yesterday and end yesterday (game day)

YOu however nom have just been jumping on what ever wagon axe does

Except Axe has been following my vote this time around, so you are mistaken.

If we lynch you and that you flip scum, she is basically confirmed as fn given your opportunistic vote, which basically hard solves the game for town and this is how we win.

[nomnomnom]

You say my votes opportunistic yet they have follwed a path of reasoning

You used fake information to push a vote on sky and you outright lied about the game state to push that vote. Sky did not claim anything else than "friendly neighbor" yesterday, yet the reason for your vote is that she claimed loyal instead of disloyal.

That's opportunism.

[nomnomnom]

You say my votes opportunistic yet they have follwed a path of reasoning

You used fake information to push a vote on sky and you outright lied about the game state to push that vote. Sky did not claim anything else than "friendly neighbor" yesterday, yet the reason for your vote is that she claimed loyal instead of disloyal.

That's opportunism.

There is a difference between lying and belivign something that isnt true. Reading back I dont get were I got loyal from as sky did "friendly neighbor". Some how after reading disloyal and then reading in the wiki what it and the opposite loyal meant. The incorrect fact that sky c;aimed loyal freidnly neigbout got stuck in my head.

Ive only ever played with teh game modifier liek insane and sane so had no clue what it meant.


However, it played little part in my chocie to vote sky and wasnt meant to promote his lynch. The Reason I vote for him is as I said , no one has confirmed him and i feel its just to convient.

I want your reads list right now, with explanations.

[nomnomnom]

Is Bob's play all that different than yesterday when he jumped on me for not explaining nom vote, even though I did? Are Bob and Axe scum since Axe disliked my Bob push?

I don't think it is, but here Bob's play is blatantly anti-town.

[nomnomnom]

What about bob? You said you didn't agree with that yet?

[nomnomnom]

@nom

if it's no different why is he getting more heat today than yesterday?

Also, why is his play "anti-town" rather than scummy?

Because it happened much faster and that's the only thing that happened today.

He was already on my scumreads list, but I wanted to get Wiz out of the way first. Bob's post is definitely scummy here and those responses didn't feel town at all.

[nomnomnom]

then why call him anti-town and not scummy?

Same thing, scum do anti-town things. I think he's scum.

Oh, it’s a large, probably 4 scum.

Again... 12v3.

[nomnomnom]

Oh dear.

[nomnomnom]

sky doesn't seem all that scummy to me but her "I'm going to target krazy's biggest scum read!" and doesn't target the guy he's voting for kinda makes me worry about like a sky/rui rui/kid team

You seem to have been worried about bob's actions this game and you agree that what happened to day is the same thing, so why are you straying away from bob is scum?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Nomnom

I don't see this happening today, the avatar is mesmerizing. I must sheep.

Good. Look deep in my nomming gaze.

[nomnomnom]

if it goes that way I'd be ok with it but I'm voting who I think scum is.

So, same question as before: why aren't you voting bob again?

[nomnomnom]

either axe is scum or a very specific role that i think he might be

Hmm....

[nomnomnom]

I HAVE A GUILTY ON AXE!

By guilty you mean positive result, right?

[nomnomnom]

Nero, I think I know what you are and you possibly should be reconsidering this game and you'll understand your judgement mistake. It should be pretty clear why.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Sick

[nomnomnom]

if I'm gonna sheep I rather sheep Boon and vote the person that was trying hard as fuck to get me to vote Bob and then just casually drops that read like a sack of garbage,

VOTE: nom

You are blind. Open your eyes and reread this game.

[nomnomnom]

if I'm gonna sheep I rather sheep Boon and vote the person that was trying hard as fuck to get me to vote Bob and then just casually drops that read like a sack of garbage,

VOTE: nom

You are blind. Open your eyes and reread this game.

He is not blind.

If he is not blind, that means he is scum.

[nomnomnom]

of course, he thinks I'm scum. Did you really expect more from him?

There are only two possibilities I see, and since you disprove one of them by being illogical, you must be scum. That or you're playing extremely poorly.

[nomnomnom]

What are these two possibilities?

I don't like talking about hypothetical worlds. How about you claim your role?

[nomnomnom]

how about you stop rolefishing.

You claimed a guilty for someone, I have a good reason to ask you to claim your role.

[nomnomnom]

I HAVE A GUILTY ON AXE!

[nomnomnom]

I HAVE A GUILTY ON AXE!

he is confirmed to be stupid.

its almost like you are intentionally avoiding my next post.

Also if I had a legit guilty or I was trying to sell a fake guilty I'd be you know...

VOTING THE GUY

Way to be misleading, if you want to make a joke at least put it in one post it also has more effect that way

[nomnomnom]

catch up 2nite

are we really doing sick over bob

well until Axe runs out of lynchbait

I have no other lynch options, this is all or nothing for me. I am pretty confident, similar degree to TheWizard fake claim.

I mean, I was confident it was a fake claim, but I was also confident it was coming from town.

I know you have your "i sensed it" excuse but honestly there is no reason to consider lying as anything else than scum unless you have information.
I literally don't understand the hassle here.

[nomnomnom]

flavor leaf is an A list star like Robert Downey Jr.

Axe is a D lister like that Kathy Griffin.


@nom, town "lie" all the fucking time. Your "if they lie they must be scum!" seems like a p scummy stance.

It's literally the most logical thing to do especially if you are on day 1 for christ sake. And he was proven to be lying so Axe was right even if we ended up mislynching.

[nomnomnom]

its only d1, its ok to mislynch!

you should ALWAYS be trying to lynch scum.

Yes, and I thought he was scum at the time. You're mixing up arguments together.

[nomnomnom]

Skygazer and Sickofit are definitely not scum together.

Idk.

I’m not opposed to sickofit, but something feels a little off.

I don’t think I make it to Day 3.

Well, what does?

[nomnomnom]

Well FL? What's that odd feeling you have?

I'm curious.

[nomnomnom]

What does voting sick have to do with me?

[nomnomnom]

Tick tick tick.

Do you hear that?

It's the sound of town victory.

[nomnomnom]

Terrible vote, honestly.

[nomnomnom]

I don't really like how Nom was trying to pressure me into voting Bob then dropped her "scum read" the moment that Axe changed his vote.

Why did we unvote that, leaf?

I changed my vote first, then Axe followed me.

[nomnomnom]

Here's my question:

Where's your vote

[nomnomnom]

We are not lynching Axe today.

[nomnomnom]

Also I changed my mind I think nom is capable of being this ballsy as scum.

Not that confident about it but I'm not gonna townbin them.

Define "ballsy".

[nomnomnom]

I figured he had a good reason to say that, so I followed and turns out that Wiz was indeed not roleblocker, so you know...

[nomnomnom]

Death now.

Friend Axe did it again!

[nomnomnom]

choo choo
VOTE: ruirui

[nomnomnom]

This is a 3-person masonry, by the way.

[nomnomnom]

All the masons claim and verify each other and then choose one of you to sacrifice.

Only then am I able to move on and play along.

If you say we have the mislynches to do it then do it.

open your mind etc

[nomnomnom]

There's also no cop as stated by the game rules.

[nomnomnom]

Claiming earlier had its downsides. Major downsides.

[nomnomnom]

What stopped scum is the fact that Axe was this much of a lynchbait that killing any of us was a terrible decision.

[nomnomnom]

Axe didn't even get close to L-1 and as soon as he claimed nobody wanted his lynch.
That's it. There's no such thing as mislynchable mason. If there are masons in this game they would have been killed.

And what happened before that? People kept pushing him as a lynch target and as a fraud, and probably scum was very happy to keep someone driving lynches left and right.

That just proves my point. I made my connection clear as a way to show scum that confirming Axe was a really bad idea for them, and they played along.

[nomnomnom]

If you lynch Axe we are losing our mason pairs and I die the next night. Pushing axe is incredibly scummy.

[nomnomnom]

Scums are trapped. As long as we do not lynch the mason claims this is an easy win. Don't be stupid.

[nomnomnom]

I'd like a claim from Kid as well eventually.

[nomnomnom]

I'm fairly sure that today's start is where our scums are. There's no other way people start pushing Axe again given what happened so far.

[nomnomnom]

If you lynch a claimed mason with another claimed mason in the open you are literally losing your edge over scum.

[nomnomnom]

If you look carefully what happened this game you'll realize that people have been pushing Axe from the start and have been amping up the pushes ever since he's a claimed mason and that I made sure to soft it from the start.

They want him dead so they can get rid of this problem. Otherwise they are trapped and either forced to take us to LYLO or make any of us confirmed.

[nomnomnom]

If you lynch a claimed mason with another claimed mason in the open you are literally losing your edge over scum.

TBF, Axe has been powerlynching town and has caused nothing but paranoia on his slot.

I'm not really denying that. I'm just saying that scums would love to get the masons out of the radar because even if there was no scum lynch so far, leaving full masonries reach LYLO is asking for a loss.

[nomnomnom]

im just saying in other games id def lynch the masons because surviving to day 4 after making it so obvious that u two were masons that ppl were literally calling you masons in-thread on D1 is sus

Okay so why did you vote Axe anyway

[nomnomnom]

you'd rather we verify the guilty then? Fairly sure kidamn is 100% scum but I'm not too hung up on the order here.

[nomnomnom]

nom, axe, bob.

?

[nomnomnom]

So, Kidamn it is?

[nomnomnom]

I'd like a full list of claims before we do anything. Like a roster claim and all.

[nomnomnom]

I thought Roster was the third mason that wasn't a mason and then the three mason thing wasn't true?

The amount of disinformation is eh.

VOTE: kid

Hey that's a good question actually?

@Sky why are you saying Perf is the third mason again?

[nomnomnom]

hm...

[nomnomnom]

That or scum is perfectly aware of the situation. It can go both ways, honestly.

[nomnomnom]

you think scum me kills three players townreading me over 3 obv masons?

I never said you in particular, why do you feel so concerned about that statement?

[nomnomnom]

If there are no masons where are the other town PRs?

[nomnomnom]

we literally have 2 claims left to go through, you don't "keep silent" in a massclaim.

You're a professional bullshitter, I've softed mason since day 1 to avoid getting axe lynched.

[nomnomnom]

You don't get to call ad hom then directly amp it up with AtE lmao

I'm waiting for everyone to claim.

[nomnomnom]

It's alright. We should still be good.

[nomnomnom]

Needless to say he was our third mason.

[nomnomnom]

I'm starting to have a clear idea of what's going on here.

Sky if you had to bet your life on Nero being town would you do it?

[nomnomnom]

Sad state of affairs.

If you had to bet your life on any of these 4 being town which one would you choose?

[nomnomnom]

Weren't you tring Nero two minutes ago?

[nomnomnom]

@Nero if you had to vote between Eevee and Sky today who would you choose and why?

[nomnomnom]

Still waiting for an answer, Nero.

@Nero if you had to vote between Eevee and Sky today who would you choose and why?

[nomnomnom]

@Nero if you had to vote between Eevee and Sky today who would you choose and why?

I'd vote sky since I think she makes sense as a Bob buddy and her OMGUS scum read on me feels p scummy but wouldn't it be better odds to lynch in Bob/roster today?

I mean, if only one of Bob/Roster were scum it would be 9 vts and 3 masons. Is that really what we think the setup is?

I was just curious about your thoughts on a definitive team today is all. Thanks.

[nomnomnom]

Again, really feeling this game is almost solved from this POV.

It may have looked really bad but reaching this gamestate is not as bad as previously thought. It's in the bag aside from one detail.

[nomnomnom]

whats that one detail?

You or Eevee. That's the last detail.

[nomnomnom]

Keep in mind that at this point the 4 of you have basically agreed that Bob is scum. That means that either scums tricked you or that scums are bussing right now.

[nomnomnom]

Nom you see why I want to lynch in Sky/Eevee today?

We have much better odds of getting that right today.

No, I already know who the two other scums are.
I just need to make my mind up about something and check something by ISOing.
I let Axe take the wheel this game and I regret we didn't go with my earlier plan, but it's fine. I believe that whatever we do, as long as Axe and I can make up our minds, town will win.

[nomnomnom]

eevee's claim doesn't make any sense without my claim being true

Your claim is unverifiable which is the problem to make our minds up in this situation.
You're not going to solve mechanically. One of you is a town PR and one of you is a scum PR.

[nomnomnom]

You guys need to unvote right now.

Forcing Sky/Eevee today is a townloss.

[nomnomnom]

You guys need to unvote right now.

Forcing Sky/Eevee today is a townloss.

You really think they’re both town?

Forcing a 50/50 today is incredibly dangerous. It doesn't matter if the masons die, it's just a matter of pushing higher scum chances and see who does what. Then the conftown will have an easier decision by the last day. This is what I believe in.

[nomnomnom]

I already know the conftown between the 5 of you. You don't need to worry about that.

Now unvote and let's avoid doing something stupid.

[nomnomnom]

eevee's claim doesn't make any sense without my claim being true

Your claim is unverifiable which is the problem to make our minds up in this situation.
You're not going to solve mechanically. One of you is a town PR and one of you is a scum PR.

What if evee just is a weak town invest and sky is just a goon?

Both roles alone can make sense honestly. Again this is not going to be solved mechanically. Impossible.

I need time to make up my mind about this. But I am 50/50ing today is a townloss.

[nomnomnom]

That's why I prefer debating with Axe today and that we lay down a roadplan. I'd rather go with that than gambling today.

[nomnomnom]

I trust in Axe. He may have gone for wrong lynches, but his plan wasn't that bad. We probably should have gone for some of my ideas but it's fine. I still trust his judgement.

[nomnomnom]

Road plans tend to get torn up due to paranoia.

It’s almost always best to just make the hard choice.

Do you prefer we kill you first so we avoid paranoid chickens around in LYLO?

[nomnomnom]

im done

this is a town loss

sorry i've been so toxic

This is far from over. It may look difficult, but it just takes a bit of coordination from town to pull through.

As I said before, scums are trapped. They've been obliged to leave two ICs to lead this game otherwise we would have steamrolled them today. This is still winnable. Breathe a little bit then come back alright? Nothing is pressing, easily winnable

[nomnomnom]

but what if Sky is scum and Bob/Roster are her team, is it not an auto loss from her pov?

If we get there, it's basically Sky vs Eevee. You're dead set on Sky being scum, right?

[nomnomnom]

Why do you believe Eevee is town? I need your thoughts on that.

[nomnomnom]

That's what I'm leading towards right now. There is no interaction between Bob and Roster throughout this game. None. That makes me think they must be scum.

Sky basically screaming at roster for "associating with her" also feels odd, since I didn't see any obvious pocketing.

[nomnomnom]

Most likely, Axe is scum and there's a scum roleblocker. He likely inferred (incorrectly) that there wouldn't be a town roleblocker. Since (in his view) I was a fake claiming townie, I would be an easy lynch.

That is why he doesn't believe my claim, and why he is pushing me.

the existence of a scum roleblocker wouldnt affect the chances of a town roleblocker existing tbh. it would be an incorrect assumption anyway. the way he sounded makes me think hes smth else. i have a theory but im unsure if its a correct one. either way 1 for 1 is fine for town if it comes to it.

Mind explaining why a motion detector wouldn't check Axe in these conditions night 1? You checked me instead.

[nomnomnom]

1216 followed by 1218 is a good argument for a Sky/Roster pair.

[nomnomnom]

go read my play in like literally any of my scum games

if there's anything I'm good at as scum it's making sure there are no associations between me and my partners

This game is already plenty to read, thank you very much lol
If that's the case I could see scum!skygazer being outraged at being associated with a partner publicly. There are a few more odd interactions between you two this game, but this one strikes me as particularly out there on revision.

[nomnomnom]

Most likely, Axe is scum and there's a scum roleblocker. He likely inferred (incorrectly) that there wouldn't be a town roleblocker. Since (in his view) I was a fake claiming townie, I would be an easy lynch.

That is why he doesn't believe my claim, and why he is pushing me.

the existence of a scum roleblocker wouldnt affect the chances of a town roleblocker existing tbh. it would be an incorrect assumption anyway. the way he sounded makes me think hes smth else. i have a theory but im unsure if its a correct one. either way 1 for 1 is fine for town if it comes to it.

Mind explaining why a motion detector wouldn't check Axe in these conditions night 1? You checked me instead.

Im bad and thought he was like an oracle or smth similar.

An oracle. In a normal game. On day 1.
Alright.

[nomnomnom]

I mean, i didnt think axe was scum anyway. If you look i hardtownread him late day 1 and early day 2. What i thought he was was irrelevent since to me he was town

So why did you check me again?

[nomnomnom]

Oh don't worry, I made plenty of research.

I'm actually surprised no one brought this fact yet, that would probably pit you as the scum between you and eevee. So that means that scum probably knows you've made a risky play and that the townies haven't realized it yet.

[nomnomnom]

I think I have this game solved now. Everything makes sense to me.

I need to see more solving from you guys and to debate with Axe, but I think I know the scumteam for sure now.

[nomnomnom]

Because Axe was the most obvious lynchbait. That's why. Killing me confirms Axe as mason, and that basically would have ruined the dynamic of town, which was continually going against Axe.

[nomnomnom]

The fact that both Nero and you made it sure to declare publicly that you thought we were in a masonry means that you are also independent from each other. Scums would have kept it in their thread as soon as someone mentioned it.

[nomnomnom]

You bringing it up later in an "implied" way compared to Nero which literally asked us if we were masons is also extremely suspect given your observation happened later. Nobody else mentioned masons for a long time after that. There's a good chance you could have brought it to your PT as soon as you observed it and started discussing whether or not we should be kept alive. And given that Axe lead mislynches? I think you guys decided to wait the last moment to confirm masons. That's what I think happened.

[nomnomnom]

Axe is town btw

is this like a "i would never lynch there" level of town?

We're never lynching axe today.

UNVOTE:

i think i get it

That's what I'm referring to. Keep in mind that Nero literally said earlier that we were masons.

[nomnomnom]

bob is online, if we were both town there'd have been a quickhammer

Dont know about you but ive not been in the newyork forum section since this morning when I was looking at my other game.

I tend to leave countless tabs open on my browser simply beacuase i forgot to close them. If you ever see me online it prob just means im afk

Probably should be checking the game given that the other 4 in the lynchpool are okay to lynch you.

[nomnomnom]

@Eevee give me a good reason to vote Sky today rather than anyone else.

[nomnomnom]

Scratch that, I am wrong, Bob was the first one to mention a pairing in 360 and Nero said in 362 what people were thinking.

I need to rethink my theory, I guess.

[nomnomnom]

Cause i think sky is the leader and their death will probably destabilize the other scum. Also their flip would help town more easily determine rest of scum. (Bob flipping wouldnt help in roster vs nero)

Terrible reasoning if you're actually MD.

Game is hard.

[nomnomnom]

Okay so, so far:

Nero - Eevee - Bob would lynch Sky versus Sky - Roster to lynch Eevee

Everyone has shown a need to roast Roster and Bob except Eevee who has been fence-sitting on the two.

Hm...

[nomnomnom]

Also I guess I could be keeping this for later today but, I find it odd nobody realizes that Sky asking for a MD to check her then claiming a guilty the next day and trying to force a 1v1 is literally the most scummy thing ever? You basically neuter the MD for the night this way AND you set up your LYLO in a way that people will want to clear the 1v1. Devious plan.

That also means that if we actually live in a world where Eevee is MD, sky is scum and that we lynch sky, scums are eternally doomed because 2 masons and a MD means GG. But again, I'm second guessing myself here. Eevee's actions don't make sense, what she says doesn't make sense if she's really MD...

Damn it dude.

[nomnomnom]

If Sky is scum she doesn't make the night kill and makes it so the MD is useless that night, safely killing a mason and forcing a 1v1 the next day.

My only problem with that is Bob voting Sky which throws me off way too hard.

[nomnomnom]

But people were treating Sky as pretty much conf town.

NOT forcing a 1v1 with the MD would surely be best as eventually the town out of me/Nero/Bob gets lynched and Sky wins, no?

Okay so you think Eevee played really badly then?

[nomnomnom]

This game really is fucking with my head.

We really should have went for bob day 2 lmao.

[nomnomnom]

The only thing that corroborates this way of thinking is the total lack of reaction of Sky claiming a soft guilty on her. No MD would give this lack of reaction and would instantly understand they were trapped into checking a goon not making the night kill that night. I think this and the fact Bob votes Sky here makes it more likely that Eevee is scum.

[nomnomnom]

Dude my head hurts lmao

Let this simmer in my head for a while

[nomnomnom]

Like at this point it's either you trapping a MD into this situation and Eevee being EXTREMELY bad or eevee claiming a guilty on you because you asked her to check you.

Also to note that motion detector would actually make sense as to why the rules would stipulate there are no traitors and no ninjas this game. That would actually be a strong reason that there could be a MD this game. Why else would you mention that otherwise? I believe the other two "impossible" roles are red herrings.

[nomnomnom]

Damn it. For god sake help me.

[nomnomnom]

@schadd post a cute animal please

[nomnomnom]

animal stealer

[nomnomnom]

and she's only been addressing me this whole time, not roster iirc even with roster sring her and even voting her

Roster and Bob are the two she's unsure about, being sure that nero is scum.

[nomnomnom]

If Eevee isn't scum that is possibly the worst MD performance I've seen on any site.

And that is comparing to our mason performance this game, so that's to say a lot lmao

[nomnomnom]

There's a difference between being bad at PR and thinking someone has oracle information DAY 1 in a NORMAL GAME then proceed to show total disinterest when you find someone that people thought were conftown guilty. Like... wow.

[nomnomnom]

There's a difference between being bad at PR and thinking someone has oracle information DAY 1 in a NORMAL GAME then proceed to show total disinterest when you find someone that people thought were conftown guilty. Like... wow.

youre kinda picking and choosing my words to make me look worse lol. so is sky is conftown to you?

There is one scum in sky and you. And honestly I can't help but think that you either misplayed really badly this game or that you must be scum.

[nomnomnom]

If Eevee isn't scum that is possibly the worst MD performance I've seen on any site.

And that is comparing to our mason performance this game, so that's to say a lot lmao

arent you a mason too? why tf are you insulting urself

Because we clearly haven't played our best, it's good to have some self-awareness lol

[nomnomnom]

That's not what I'm talking about.

Aside from mechanical play your reactions to things was just lackluster when it should have been at least 10x what happened there, and what you said was honestly pretty stupid. Like honestly, what version do you want me to believe? The one where you're completely disinterested in this game and saying dumb stuff every second post, or the one where you're scum? Because honestly I kinda want to believe the former because Sky's posts give me a bit of anxiety and that her role makes a bit less sense than yours in our game, but honestly what the fuck lmao

[nomnomnom]

It's not a policy lynch. Despite what I said earlier, lynching between you basically makes scum extremely stuck this game.

If we're to believe you're MD and that we lynch Sky and that she is indeed scum, we end up in a situation with two masons tomorrow because you absolutely cannot be left alive because of guilties unless scum somehow thinks me being alive is riskier. Scum hardly wins that.
If we're to believe that Sky is disloyal FN and that we lynch you and that you're indeed scum, we end up in a situation with an additional IC in sky and Axe can basically carry my word until the rest of this game.

We need to clear you today. There's no way around it.

[nomnomnom]

Like, the lack of interest in pushing a game winning scenario from your part makes me think that you are bullshitting, is what I'm trying to say. I don't know how you usually play but I've never seen a MD this disinterested in forcing a game-solve.

[nomnomnom]

Sky's role, if true, doesn't represent any risk to scum the moment she reveals herself, which is what happened.

[nomnomnom]

Like, the lack of interest in pushing a game winning scenario from your part makes me think that you are bullshitting, is what I'm trying to say. I don't know how you usually play but I've never seen a MD this disinterested in forcing a game-solve.

im decent at 1v1s tbh. but idt winning this 1v1 is gamewinning nomnom. since we have 3 people who can be scum left, meaning a 66/33 and 50/50 need to be won even if sky is lynched. im honestly heartbroken cause i wanted sky to be town. but it is impossible now.

What do you mean "isn't gamewinning"? If you win this 1v1 as town, you force a NK on yourself and we end up in a 2 masons - 1 VT - 2 goons endgame. That's excellent chances for town.

[nomnomnom]

...Then why didn't you confirm it from the get go? As in night 1, night 2?