Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

[skitter30]

And which do you think you're doing here?

[RCEnigma]

It's a small sample size from FL at this point. Like he said I tend to read him well but I'm not a wizard, I don't get an instant read on him and probably won't before day 3. I would say day 2 but the late rep in and my disinterest in this day 1 play in.

I will say that a good tipoff is not to read into what FL says, just what he does. The approach I take with most reads and probably why I invoked the ire of an elephant.

[RCEnigma]

Posting as much as FL.

[RCEnigma]

I would still lynch RCEnigma btw the towniest thing about him was the fact he had a completely crap reason to scumread me
Whereas on the other hand I thought the wagon on him was good and he's contributed very little imo

So not that I've done anything scummy, but that I've not done enough tonight. That sounds null but ehh.

[Irrelephant11]

I would still lynch RCEnigma btw the towniest thing about him was the fact he had a completely crap reason to scumread me
Whereas on the other hand I thought the wagon on him was good and he's contributed very little imo

So not that I've done anything scummy, but that I've not done enough tonight. That sounds null but ehh.

This is
actually a sorta towny response

Give me something to work with though
Assume I'm town and give me some new reads for a minute, or try to find my partners, or give a readslist. You're not making it easy to work with you if you're town

[RCEnigma]

Shotgun reads, CC for today/insomnia/Skitter/fusc

The rest are like null or nonreads.

Smile probably does soft defend me if they feel I'm going down today via compromise or whatever the case may be.

I'm at an impasse with you (irrel) since I only really see you with slots like mkm/CC/ceejay. Some kind of composition you would feel the need to over perform with.

But I also feel like you may just be one of the kind of players I don't mesh well with personally, which is why I made the Thor connection.

[RCEnigma]

It feels weird to throw Skitter in my townreads, I'm not sure how deeply I believe that. Her pushing me makes me want to say town but I don't have any solid reasoning outside of that.

[Irrelephant11]

the Thor connection.

Oh I didn't realize you were talking about me when you said that
Flattered tbh

and flattery will get you everywhere! I'm into your readslist you can come off the table for me today

[Irrelephant11]

The rest are like null or nonreads.

this is actually probably the biggest reason why
Scum says this occasionally but here it's also more reasonable than in any random game

[Irrelephant11]

It feels weird to throw Skitter in my townreads, I'm not sure how deeply I believe that. Her pushing me makes me want to say town but I don't have any solid reasoning outside of that.

Well,

this

is actually probably the

biggest

reason why I think you might be town
Scum doesn't think they can mislynch skitter easily
Town is paranoid of skitter, though (been experiencing it on and off all game)
so unless you're partnered with her this comes across pretty towny to me

[insomnia]

Shotgun reads, CC

for today/insomnia/Skitter/fusc

The rest are like null or nonreads.

Smile probably does soft defend me if they feel I'm going down today via compromise or whatever the case may be.

I'm at an impasse with you (irrel) since I only really see you with slots like mkm/CC/ceejay. Some kind of composition you would feel the need to over perform with.

But I also feel like you may just be one of the kind of players I don't mesh well with personally, which is why I made the Thor connection.

Can you explain the bolded?

Is nobody interested in pushing Smile? Does any of you have any deep mindmelds with her that you don't want to push her or is it tone based? Action-wise, she looks scummy to me.

[RCEnigma]

Umm... You want to know what shotgun reads are or why I'm townreading CC again?

[insomnia]

I didn't get the whole first line tbh

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: Smile

[insomnia]

VOTE: Smile

Is this a sheep or do you have your own reasons for voting?

[RCEnigma]

I didn't get the whole first line tbh

If I had to quick fire my townreads the first line would be my town block.

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: Smile

Is this a sheep or do you have your own reasons for voting?

yes

[tris]

I'm at the end of page 9. Currently the people who I've found no reasons to townread are {ceejayvinoya, Chara, insomnia, Irrelephant, Smile, tris}. Of those, I think that Irrelephant and tris are the most likely to actually be scum. I've found reasons, even if very minor, to townread everyone else. Some more than others, of course – my reason to townread skitter is fairly small, for example.

From what I've read these don't seem to align with popular consensus, so if anyone would like clarification somewhere feel free to ask. It's getting fairly late for me so I'm not sure how much more reading I'll get done right now.

What do you like about RCE, and what do you dislike about Irrelephant?

It feels weird to throw Skitter in my townreads, I'm not sure how deeply I believe that. Her pushing me makes me want to say town but I don't have any solid reasoning outside of that.

Well,

this

is actually probably the

biggest

reason why I think you might be town
Scum doesn't think they can mislynch skitter easily
Town is paranoid of skitter, though (been experiencing it on and off all game)
so unless you're partnered with her this comes across pretty towny to me

Good point. UNVOTE:

I think I want to vote for Smile, but I'll just consider the options first.

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@Irrelephant

If CJ is town (not sure he is but I at least kinda feel like the way the PL is treating him is semi-spewing him town),

The PL?

-> in the scenario where one jailkeeper is scum, scum gains nothing, and kinda outs themselves, by starting a discussion on the alignment of the jailkeepers.
-> In the scenario where neither jailkeeper is scum, scum gains nothing, and kinda softconfirms two roles that will probably later claim, by pointing out the way the mod post implies they're both town

Don't these two lines of logic contradict each other? If, in the second scenario, it softconfirms the jailkeepers as town, then wouldn't scum benefit from having their jailkeeper be assumed to be town in the first scenario?

[insomnia]

[q] Don't these two lines of logic contradict each other? If, in the second scenario, it softconfirms the jailkeepers as town, then wouldn't scum benefit from having their jailkeeper be assumed to be town in the first scenario? [/q]

Good observation. Keeping this in my ISO.

[insomnia]

Don't these two lines of logic contradict each other? If, in the second scenario, it softconfirms the jailkeepers as town, then wouldn't scum benefit from having their jailkeeper be assumed to be town in the first scenario?

Good observation. Keeping this in my ISO.

[Irrelephant11]

@Irrelephant

If CJ is town (not sure he is but I at least kinda feel like the way the PL is treating him is semi-spewing him town),

The PL?

-> in the scenario where one jailkeeper is scum, scum gains nothing, and kinda outs themselves, by starting a discussion on the alignment of the jailkeepers.
-> In the scenario where neither jailkeeper is scum, scum gains nothing, and kinda softconfirms two roles that will probably later claim, by pointing out the way the mod post implies they're both town

Don't these two lines of logic contradict each other? If, in the second scenario, it softconfirms the jailkeepers as town, then wouldn't scum benefit from having their jailkeeper be assumed to be town in the first scenario?

PL = Playerlist - I feel like too few people are treating him as scum for him to be scum. I don't know if that makes any sense actually, but it's my thought

Let me try to explain better.

Given

the mod

already

softconfirmed the jailkeepers as town
Scum who have a jailkeeper are better off not bringing up the question of whether or not the jailkeeper is town (because before Smile's post, I was just sort of living in the belief they were both town without thinking about it)
And scum who don't have a jailkeeper are better off not reminding the entire playerlist that the mod did so

[Irrelephant11]

Don't these two lines of logic contradict each other? If, in the second scenario, it softconfirms the jailkeepers as town, then wouldn't scum benefit from having their jailkeeper be assumed to be town in the first scenario?

Good observation. Keeping this in my ISO.

What about the observation is noteworthy to you? If it's just the setup spec, you can ignore this. If it's something about tris' or my alignment, please answer.

[Irrelephant11]

*tris' or my or Smile's alignment

[Irrelephant11]

This town needs some cohesion and some wagons
Y'all are really out here trying to make your vote do nothing

[tris]

Alright, VOTE: Smile.

@March Is your scumread of insomnia just based on the part where he doesn't immediately vote for persivul?

I want to vote tris but I planned to talk out my reads with Happy in the PT since I would feel better voting there if we had some consensus that skitter was town.

Why would that be necessary? Why would you need consensus that skitter is town to vote for me?

Spoiler: Jailkeeper thing

@Irrelephant

If CJ is town (not sure he is but I at least kinda feel like the way the PL is treating him is semi-spewing him town),

The PL?

-> in the scenario where one jailkeeper is scum, scum gains nothing, and kinda outs themselves, by starting a discussion on the alignment of the jailkeepers.
-> In the scenario where neither jailkeeper is scum, scum gains nothing, and kinda softconfirms two roles that will probably later claim, by pointing out the way the mod post implies they're both town

Don't these two lines of logic contradict each other? If, in the second scenario, it softconfirms the jailkeepers as town, then wouldn't scum benefit from having their jailkeeper be assumed to be town in the first scenario?

PL = Playerlist - I feel like too few people are treating him as scum for him to be scum. I don't know if that makes any sense actually, but it's my thought

Let me try to explain better.

Given

the mod

already

softconfirmed the jailkeepers as town
Scum who have a jailkeeper are better off not bringing up the question of whether or not the jailkeeper is town (because before Smile's post, I was just sort of living in the belief they were both town without thinking about it)
And scum who don't have a jailkeeper are better off not reminding the entire playerlist that the mod did so

I still think that's contradictory. Either making that post calls into question whether jailkeepers are town, or it calls attention to something that suggests they are.