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In post 2710, Tierce wrote:when we are discussing the disparity of female and male nudity on a show with lots of male and female characters, and that it is bothersome to see that--not necessarily because of the lack of eye candy for certain groups, but that the show deems it acceptable to have one and not the other.
That's a really silly argument. I like seeing naked women more than naked men. Honestly in Game of Thrones I find all of the nudity to be more of a detractor than anything, but that's another argument, male nudity is still a stronger detractor. I assume that there is a non-discrete spectrum of such preferences. I also assume, however, that they are largely grouped towards heavily preferring one over the other. It makes perfect sense then, that some shows would cater to specific demographics of those spectrums. You can argue against the current distribution at a macroscopic level, its likely skewed but not something I look for in TV. But to argue that every show must have a completely even display from both is ridiculous.
In post 2716, zoraster wrote:And that would be a much more convincing argument if there were other shows that showed a lot of dong. But even shows that draw a higher proportion of straight females and gay males don't show it much. I don't think people are asking for even an even distribution. Just some.
I don't know what shows you watch, but I don't see much female nudity either.
I admitted that one could likely make an argument for it over the scope of every show. One could even make a more specific argument about GoT. The stated one (even number of cast = even amount if nudity) is absurd though.
There are shows that show at least some.
In post 2718, quadz08 wrote:I don't think it is absurd at all? I'm not saying I don't get it from a financial / business / viewership perspective (I imagine that female sexy bits tend to sell better than male ones), but from a social justice-type of perspective, it'd be nice to see some more dicks.
If there is an episode to complain about lack of male nudity, this is it. It was quite scene relevant and actually jarring to me when they didn't go there, pulling me out of the scene.
In post 2848, chamber wrote:If there is an episode to complain about lack of male nudity, this is it. It was quite scene relevant and actually jarring to me when they didn't go there, pulling me out of the scene.
I think arya serves as an interesting foil for the audience. The show is very good at making once villain characters sympathetic. We can almost forget that Jaime callously pushed bran out that window. Arya doesn't forget though.
In post 3407, xRECKONERx wrote:because all the hubub last year over the Jaime/Cersei rape did absolutely nothing.
There is a really big difference between these two things(based on my memory anyway). The Jaime/Cersei scene -was- rape but the characters and universe acted like it wasn't. At least everyone involved in this rape knew what it was. If they don't do anything meaningful with it (to sansa, fuck theon), it will still have been terrible, but a different level of terrible. One that doesn't have as strong of real world implications.
I couldn't disagree more about the battle scene. I thought it was shot poorly, had bad effects, and worst of all, was incredibly grey and dull. The snowstorm effect was clearly used as a means of covering for the lack of budget, instead counting on everything being wispy and white washed.
It being a realistic effect doesn't make it a visually appealing one. There were a couple moments of terrible CGI on quick cuts. Speaking of quick cuts, there were way too fucking many of them. The white walker effects I'll give you. They looked good.
In post 3535, SilverWolf wrote:I really liked the Wildling mom. Too bad they introduced such a cool character just to kill her off right away. :/
I think that's my biggest complaint about how her character played out. They only introduced her as a likable wildling so that they could kill her, she didn't feel much like a wilding in a lot of ways.
In post 3532, Iecerint wrote:I'm surprised that no one has complained about the wildling mom being weak to children re: recent discussions about portrayals of women in ADWD.
Huh?
She was kicking ass then a bunch of undead children show up, she hesitates and they death tackle her.
I don't mind when tv shows/movies deviate from the text as long as they at least keep the character intact. This doesn't go at all with Stannis' character.
Maybe I don't understand his character as well as you but it seemed to fit to me? He assassinated his own brother.
This is something else I don't get. The boltons are played up as knowing the north and winter. But shouldn't Winter be relatively new to Ramsey? He doesn't seem particularly old and I never got the impression that the young starks had been through one. So what maybe he went through one as a child?
In post 3729, Brandi wrote:I really liked this episode actually even though I will miss Jon Snow ;-;
Also I hope Arya is okay.
Also I wish the season wasn't OVER ughhhh
In post 3731, Brandi wrote:okay but he got stabbed a million times and lost a lot of blood I'm just worried for my sweet stoic bastard prince
(Not asking for spoilers tho pls I can wait~)
This is caught up with the books now so I couldn't spoil you. It's just that they setup the person capable of bringing the dead back to life being in the same place as where he dies.
I didn't think it was the worst, but I can outline why I didn't think it was good. Comes down to 2 things for me (well I guess 3 but 2 of them are so similar).
-Daenerys and John don't get punished for their failures.
--Daenerys has been a terrible ruler, and just lol dragon'sed to win.
--John fell into Ramsay Bolton's trap and is still alive, now to be fair, unlike Daenerys this one might not have literally no cost, he may have lost Sansa's trust to Littlefinger. We'll have to see.
-The end of the giant fight for Winterfel was very predictable.
The show did a very good job of making me feel bad for wishing bad on the High Sparrow and for wanting Arya to become a bad-ass assassin. Assassin's aren't good people.
In post 4210, AniX wrote:This season opens literally the day after Cersei blew up basically everyone of consequence in King's Landing
I'm not sure that's entirely clear. Or if that is when it starts, the events of last seasons last episode didn't happen anywhere close to each other chronologically.
I need to rewatch. Maybe this wasn't a shift in his characterization and this is just the first time it became evident? We expect a very emotional response here, is there a different time we did and didn't get one?
I thought of the high sparrow is pretty blatantly a 'good' guy in the show? Not one with modern values. But one that wants the best for the people the same a Tyrion or Varys.
Also, wtf does tyrion know about war? He excelled at running kings landing, and was competent at defending it, and is generally smart. That doesn't make him an experienced commander of armies.
I noticed that at the time. It's a huge stretch to call that a plot hole. Shes been out of the north for a long time. Maybe it's someone Jon married for all she knows.
Based on the conversation I assumed they were like immediately outside kings landing. There was a report that all the gold had made it to kings landing, presumably part of their supply line. They yell for jaime to run to kings landing at one point. They mention they'll be across the blackwater before nightfall, which I read as the end of the supply line will be.
Would y'all prefer 6 episodes of Dothraki riding aimlessly around instead of just getting to the actual interesting stuff?
I don't mind it not being shown but I wish we at least saw scenes in chronological order then. Logistically I don't think we are, which doesn't help the teleportation feel.
Presumably littlefinger noticed the tension between arya and sansa and is trying to play them against each other to keep sansa as isolated as possible?
I think most people will find it difficult to explain why they are or aren't attracted to someone. Deanerys would be something like number 3 for me, and all I can say about it is that I've always had a bit of a thing for dyed blondes.
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In post 4367, Rhinox wrote:I know we're supposed to be past the complaining about teleporting and all, but...
gendry ran from who the fuck knows back to east watch, sends a raven 1,000 miles to dragonstone, causing dany to fly 1,000 miles+ to the rescue, all in about the same time it took water to freeze, in the coldest place on planetos, next to the guys who freeze fire and bring the goddamn winter.
That is just a little silly.
These last 2 episodes have been disappointing...
If that distance is accurate I think the only issue is the raven.
Edit: quick research suggest its likely closer to like 1800miles, so yeah, thats like 2 days of extremely capable raven flying.
In post 4396, Wraith wrote:3. The writers have been extremely inconsistent with how sympathetic Dany is supposed to be to the audience. One moment she's extremely concerned about civilian casualties in KL, the next she's extinguishing entire noble families out of stubborn pride.
I think this borrows from the books POV changes. She seems more sympathetic when we are getting her view. Less when getting tyrians.
I completely disagree and think your impression is coloured by your book knowledge. It didn't seem out of nowhere for her character at all for me, who's only seen the show.
In post 4400, Ranmaru wrote:She said she would do it and stuck to her word, they had their choice. I agree with Chamber.
That's not my point. Up to S6 Dany had only killed unsympathetic characters. But suddenly she decided to kill a sympathetic character in an exceedingly cruel way. I forgot to mention that - does she really need to execute people by burning them alive? No - she didn't even use this method of execution against the Yunkish leaders, she had their throats cut. But the writers are making her use that method in order to deliberately play up parallels between Dany and her father, the Mad King. Up to this point, the audience hasn't been led to believe that Dany is turning into her father, but suddenly this season this parallel is played up.
I think dany has always been ruthless to her enemies in the show. That we know more about these enemies so they seem more sympathetic doesn't change that. Additionally as I said before, I think there is a POV thing that happens in the show. Its why Jaime becomes so much more likable in s3, we are seeing things from his POV then. She seems more like a tyrant in tyrians view than in her own. This doesn't translate well to TV but its always been an issue with GOT.
In post 4426, xRECKONERx wrote:why were they pretending even in scenes where the audience was the only observer?
I don't think they were pretending? The implication is Bran revealed things to Sansa offscreen. Perhaps at her behest. I don't think Arya ever wanted to kill Sansa, and is just a bit crazy by normal people standards now, and little finger warped that into something else. Shrug.
It's strongly hinted at that the game of thrones is his recounting of events, as such, just imagine he was in the crypt and didn't want to seem like a coward. Its my head cannon now.
It all felt too easy though. I think more prominent sacrifices needed to be made to make the ending feel more earned. It feels like a really cheap end to the sword of damocles that's been hanging over the show for 7 years.
The fact that the scorpion is capable of it, sure. Especially given the wounded and thus less mobile state. But didn't they see them in the previous battle in season 7? When they just started flying towards kings landing I was thinking, don't they have those cross bows? Isn't this a horrible idea? And then a dragon dies to one. Why didn't they have a counter measure? How didn't they see the giant fleet of boats? It's all shot for shock factor to emulate the big moments of earlier seasons without understanding why those moments were effective.
I didn't notice it. I think they should probably edit it in post now for blueray releases or w/e. I don't think its that big a deal it made it into a shot.
A lot of sets look different from how they are portrayed ultimately right? Maybe she thought it would be removed in post. Maybe she thought a different camera angle was being used for that take.
I've been disappointed with the whole season. But I also suspect the leak is just made up by someone that got e4 early. I wouldn't put any weight into me or zulfy's comments.
I think the first and second episodes of the season were fine outside of the context of the season so far. They just weren't well capitalized on. This episode was trash. Basically everything made no sense outside of maybe Arya's arc.
