micro 871: mystery box of silver 4 (G O)

[Parachutes]

fake reads are fake =/
VOTE: Porkens

[Parachutes]

fake reads are fake =/
VOTE: Porkens

-URAP

[Parachutes]

@apthet are you town reading porkens, or was there another reason why you no longer wanted your vote there?

[Parachutes]

@apthet are you town reading porkens, or was there another reason why you no longer wanted your vote there?

I WILL remember to sign my posts
I WILL remember to sign my posts
I WILL remember to sign my posts

-URAP

[Parachutes]

Yeah, I'm not putting much stock into anything considering the game is still fresh

was this in response to something specific?

I dunno why im having such issues this game

-URAP

[Parachutes]

Otter no I don’t pocket as town. It was a town entrance, simple.

What parts of the entrance did you think made it town?

-pyt

[Parachutes]

Do I get raisons?

Just looks like you're trying too hard to look like town. Your last question/comment to Gemini is really not accomplishing anything.

looks like a reasonable town post with a reasonable purpose to me

VOTE: otter

[Parachutes]

Do I get raisons?

Just looks like you're trying too hard to look like town. Your last question/comment to Gemini is really not accomplishing anything.

looks like a reasonable town post with a reasonable purpose to me

VOTE: otter

YEAAARRRGH
-URAP

[Parachutes]

btw pyt has his parents in town now and through this weekend and will likely not be posting much/at all in that time

-URAP

[Parachutes]

@porkens got a q for you but I'm gonna wait until after tris answers you

-urap

[Parachutes]

happy cake day otter!

@porkens
1) why did you call out tris for challenging that read but not me?
2) am i the one scumming it up super hard?

-URAP

[Parachutes]

Parachute you seem to be doing an awful lot of busy work. I see you asking a lot of questions but with no real direction or conclusion.

this isn't going to be a normal game for me. It's going to be a lot more straight forward and focused on teaching how to scum hunt. it's okay if you scum read us for that.

-urap

[Parachutes]

yup. give him a few weeks, he'll be better than me~

[Parachutes]

not that it's a high bar lolol
-urap

[Parachutes]

Nice! He's lucky to have you.

<3
I'm actually gonna let him run the show for a bit, so ya'll should work with him to get a read on our slot. might take some questioning on your parts

-urap

[Parachutes]

Sorry I just skimmed your iso chute-se, and I am not sure where the challenge you are asking me about is. Nothing you have said is close to

“Why do you think THAT instead of THIS?”

Do I get raisons?

Just looks like you're trying too hard to look like town. Your last question/comment to Gemini is really not accomplishing anything.

looks like a reasonable town post with a reasonable purpose to me

VOTE: otter

Do I get raisons?

Just looks like you're trying too hard to look like town. Your last question/comment to Gemini is really not accomplishing anything.

How is she trying to hard to be town rather than just doing town stuff?

It was directly before the post you characterized as challenging a read. Yet might was actually hard disagreeing and tris was questioning.

[Parachutes]

-urap

[Parachutes]

i promise that we will become active this week.

I'm surprised scum hasn't pushed us yet. I would have pushed us

afraid to poke the bear?

-urap

[Parachutes]

or maybe i'm surprised town hasn't pushed us..

-urap

[Parachutes]

So after sitting on the sidelines for a little bit (apologies) I'm working on my reads. Tris has been contributing since early on and have been asking a lot of good questions. None of them seem forced or flat. I'm getting a town read and am wondering if there is any real reason that I should be reading scum on Tris?

-pyt

[Parachutes]

37 reads like a joke to me and I feel like half of this game so far has been trying to point when ppl are just joking

I really town read this post in particular

I know my vote is here. We're not going to move it until pyt gets a couple more reads out and I get a chance to share my own reads with him

-urap

[Parachutes]

Scum hammers here.

did you say this because you think

gemini is town and you don't want them hammered?

the wagon on gemini is all town and you think scum will want to hammer for town cred?

another reason?

-urap

[Parachutes]

Scum hammers here.

did you say this because you think

gemini is town and you don't want them hammered?

Huh if he didn't want gemini to be hammered don't you think he would have unvoted by now

I would think that yes

but the point of asking them a question was to hear their answer

In the future, I'd appreciate it if you would allow that to happen before jumping in with your own analysis.

cheers!

[Parachutes]

I mean I know you're the type to ask a lot of analysis questions and everything but when I see something nonsensical I can't resist to point it out.

I'd appreciate it if you would try. Now that we've blown it up, though, yes both example reasons I gave were nonsensical. That was the point.

If he thinks gemini is scum, he shouldn't be voting for her.

If he thinks scum will bus gemini, he shouldn't be giving them reason to not do so (because he should want scum!gemini hammered)

and I was interested in how he would work his way around that

[Parachutes]

If he thinks gemini is scum, he shouldn't be voting for her.

town*

[Parachutes]

I hate just doing one thing at a time

Could you explain this a little further? It makes zero sense to me

-urap

[Parachutes]

hmmmm

is that town or scum urap right there...

I'd be getting annoyed with you here as either alignment.

-urap

[Parachutes]

im just giving scum a hard time, chutes.

still not following..

[Parachutes]

@chutes speaking of which how is the hydra partner going

better than it could be

not as well as it could be

-urap

[Parachutes]

I'm not referencing the annoyance here, just admitting to ask loaded questions to trap people stands out to me.

lol

[Parachutes]

Explain? I thought you'd be more in the sidelines this game, what's happening?

If I were willing to give you a fuller and more open answer to your question, you would have gotten it already.

sorry =(

-urap

[Parachutes]

Gemini was at l-1 and scum is dying to end the day.

I'm still not really following..

I could see why you might think that scum is dying to end the day with a mislynch of town!gemini

I don't understand why you think they would be dying to end the day by busing their partner?

-urap

[Parachutes]

Nom, earlier you said you wished that I was more active because you felt comfortable in your ability to read me.

Could you please explain where that comfort stems from?

-urap

[Parachutes]

It's moreso the fact that I'm more confident reading you because I played a normal and a few turbos with you than someone I literally never played with.

Thinking that marathons are a good foundation for meta is a mistake, but not one you are alone in making.

@cheeky I'd be more comfortable with a nom lynch than a porkens lynch

but gemini's lack of engagement is vastly different than the last schadd game I played with her

I get that she just got here and it is a holiday here in the states, so I don't want to hammer before she has a chance to contribute

but I'm not unhappy with the wagon as of now

-urap

[Parachutes]

Still better than nothing at all.

agree to disagree

-urap

[Parachutes]

@cheeky I'd be more comfortable with a nom lynch than a porkens lynch

Let's do it.

We can vote there

I don't want this to become a cover for gemini to not engage, however, as I would like a read on them before eod

VOTE: nom

How is that relevant to her post in 272 implying that she was gonna get hammered and that it was probably her last contribution and VOTE: 277 which says she has no reads? What's the relevance of holidays here?

I don't think it's relevant to any of that, nor do I think I implied that it was.

-urap

Hi, that post was me pushing back on the idea that pressure should be taken off of gemini, not in defense of her

At no point did gemini try to use the holiday as a reason for her lack of contribution

it was a possibility that stemmed from my trying to find a charitable reason for her lack of engagement

gemini, why are finding this day 1 so much harder to get into than last game's d1? referring to schadd's silver series

-urap

it was a possibility that stemmed from my trying to find a charitable reason for her lack of engagement

That's my point. Where does that come from? You realize you're saying something like this just after asking me not to do the same thing with porkens right?

No, I asked you not to interject yourself into a budding interaction I was trying to start with porkens. Not the same thing at all.

I find trying to find the most charitable interpretation of a slot's posting is a good way to ensure I don't get tunneled. I don't always remember/manage to do it, but when I do I find it helpful.

-urap

for iso... didn't realize I had switched accounts.

[Parachutes]

Different atmosphere/feel of the game, There were few players I was familiar with there so I felt more confident with it.

Is there something I/we could do to help you get your footing in this game?

-urap

[Parachutes]

Follow my words? I'm pretty sure your line of questioning has been rubbish from your entrance. Porkens seems to be the only one responding to you which is...interesting.

Here it is. I f7654ing knew it.

VOTE: cheekyteeky

please explain, not following

-urap

[Parachutes]

I don't think so, I'll have to adapt as all.

What if I was to ask you questions about specific posts, would that help?

-urap

[Parachutes]

There are not enough words to summarize my thoughts on Gemini + cheeky and urap so here's a video that sums up my reaction to most of your last posts.

Anyway I'll allow Gemini to "calmly take her time getting her footing in this game".
VOTE: Cheeky

...

You discredited someone making an accusative statement against you while taking everyone seriously, so yeah.

@nomnom were you incorrect for calling CT scummy for this, or are you acting scummy by your own definition now?

-urap

[Parachutes]

@gemini what's your impression of this interaction between nom and CT? Is it more likely svs, svt, or tvt? or am I a fool for thinking it is alignment-indicative? With reasons for your intuition, if you can.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Parachutes

Bad vote. Is it rvs?

I mainly just didn't want to vote Porkens anymore.

But, Porkens is the mafia.

Why tho?

I still don't get it.

You're trolling. You might be town.

Maybe.

Loving the initiative. Oink oink.

Tris meta says they obv town after RVS. A scum game I saw they were a bit stiff opening, so I'm taking the nonchalance as a townlean for now.

Do I get raisons?

Just looks like you're trying too hard to look like town. Your last question/comment to Gemini is really not accomplishing anything.

Lol. If you say so. I politely disagree.

Taking RVS way to seriously and in general LAMIST behavior when someone questions your behavior. Not taking those posts seriously is a huge redflag as well.

Again I'm confused why Otter dropped your case this fast but hopefully he enlightens me.

Also townreading someone because you think they're "trolling" while still in RVS is yikes

Taking RVS way to seriously and in general LAMIST behavior when someone questions your behavior. Not taking those posts seriously is a huge redflag as well.

Again I'm confused why Otter dropped your case this fast but hopefully he enlightens me.

Um I think you should meta me nom. I always take rvs seriously. Which posts didn't I take seriously? So I'm serious but not serious?

I'm confused too.

Also townreading someone because you think they're "trolling" while still in RVS is yikes

That's served me well in the past tyvm.

Especially when you consider the game state early with town oberanalyzing page 1. Being a troll page 2 shows confident town imo.

37 reads like a joke to me and I feel like half of this game so far has been trying to point when ppl are just joking

cheeky says it's not a joke and takes rvs very seriously so I'm taking her word for it here, on top of the tone she gives.

Taking RVS way to seriously and in general LAMIST behavior when someone questions your behavior. Not taking those posts seriously is a huge redflag as well.

Again I'm confused why Otter dropped your case this fast but hopefully he enlightens me.

Um I think you should meta me nom. I always take rvs seriously. Which posts didn't I take seriously? So I'm serious but not serious?

I'm confused too.

You discredited someone making an accusative statement against you while taking everyone seriously, so yeah.

You discredited someone making an accusative statement against you while taking everyone seriously, so yeah.

Where? Quotes please.

Do I get raisons?

Just looks like you're trying too hard to look like town. Your last question/comment to Gemini is really not accomplishing anything.

Lol. If you say so. I politely disagree.

Uh that's not discrediting that's disagreeing? Discrediting would be me scumreading him but that's actually part of my early townread on him.

Nom you're really reaching here. I look forward to your thoughts on apthet and CaN hydra at some point.

Uh that's not discrediting that's disagreeing? Discrediting would be me scumreading him but that's actually part of my early townread on him.

when your disagreement starts with "lol if you say so" that's discrediting and not taking people seriously when they analyse your posts

Nom you're really reaching here. I look forward to your thoughts on apthet and CaN hydra at some point.

I'm not reaching, I want to mentally solve my feelings on your lost because the posts give me a really bad feeling and I don't want to live the whole game with them.

I have reads on the other two, if what you're worried about is tunneling.

on your slot*

Uh that's not discrediting that's disagreeing? Discrediting would be me scumreading him but that's actually part of my early townread on him.

when your disagreement starts with "lol if you say so" that's discrediting and not taking people seriously when they analyse your posts

Now you're just splitting hairs. That's me finding the read funny prior to explaing why I disagree. You can double down on your read but I would also appreciate thoughts on others.

Like if I had just left it at "lol if you say so" I'd agree but I didn't and I worked hard to be transparent so he could see where he was mistaken.

I have a very strange playstyle and a lot of my reads come from interactions and pushing people. I think you're reading my style as scummy rather than my reads which us weird because if I'm scum I'm pretty confident that I can get out of the corner with all the reads I've given already.

I have a very strange playstyle and a lot of my reads come from interactions and pushing people. I think you're reading my style as scummy rather than my reads which us weird because if I'm scum I'm pretty confident that I can get out of the corner with all the reads I've given already.

That's not the impression I got by playing with you in C/9. A lot more incisive and concise, which contrasts with this game.

Read on Ap and C&N are frankly close: they're interrogator types which will happily let the game go and ask questions in the sideline. Hard to sort a playstyle like this because I know some people play like that as any alignment. Difference is that C&N is more assertive when it comes to giving claims and Ap is clearly more passive, so I'd support an Ap push here.

Giving reads*

That's not the impression I got by playing with you in C/9. A lot more incisive and concise, which contrasts with this game.

I don't think it's fair to gauge my style from a turbo and contrast it to my general style in longterm games. I had to be concise and I'm admittedly terrible at turbos.

That's not the impression I got by playing with you in C/9. A lot more incisive and concise, which contrasts with this game.

I don't think it's fair to gauge my style from a turbo and contrast it to my general style in longterm games. I had to be concise and I'm admittedly terrible at turbos.

Yeah that's fair, just giving my thoughts in the moment.

-urap

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@nomnom were you incorrect for calling CT scummy for this, or are you acting scummy by your own definition now?

How is me voting Cheeky and saying I find the 3 of you absolutely ridiculous right now discrediting your votes/accusations against me?

how is posting a youtube video of laughter and saying it is your reaction to our posts discrediting? Do you really not see it?

=/
-urap

[Parachutes]

@nomnom were you incorrect for calling CT scummy for this, or are you acting scummy by your own definition now?

How is me voting Cheeky and saying I find the 3 of you absolutely ridiculous right now discrediting your votes/accusations against me?

how is posting a youtube video of laughter and saying it is your reaction to our posts discrediting? Do you really not see it?

=/
-urap

I don't even think discrediting bad reads is scummy, tbh, but pretending you don't see the connection is

-urap

[Parachutes]

like, even the word "ridiculous," meaning "deserving of ridicule" is saying that the reads are worthy of mockery.

That's basically the definition of descredit - cause (an idea or piece of evidence) to seem false or unreliable.

-urap

[Parachutes]

I'm laughing at cheeky's interactions and yours with Gemini. I find them absolutely mind-boggling to be frank with you. That has nothing to do with votes on me.

fair. so then, why are our interactions with gemini "mind boggling" and "deserving of ridicule?"

-urap

[Parachutes]

They're assuming Gemini flips scum. Y'all need to let the thread breathe. It smells like nommy bacon in here.

Is this to me? Because I just got in here and would like to stay a little longer~

-urap

[Parachutes]

Uou are, in fact, vanilla town. I can sense these things.

@Nom even more so,

If my and cheeky's interactions with gemini are so bad, then why omit this one by porkens?

-urap

[Parachutes]

Because a conversation that goes like this:
"pls im lost and about to get hammered!!!! good luck town "
"STOP! Let that poor lost soul speak! It's probably the holidays! May I help you get back in this game?"
"huh i don't think so"
"a-ah can I at least ask questions"
"huh sure"

is bound to make me explode of laughter. Like holy shit.

this is simply iioa. Please explain the joke. Why would I not want to try and fish a town-tell out of someone who very well may be lynch bait prior to succumbing to the bait?

I mean, I get why I would want to just let her hang if I were scum and she were town, but do you think I engage this way if we are svs or if I am the scum in an svt?

Like, what is the point of the ridicule? Is it that you think I'm just awful!town, or do you find it scummy for some reason? And if you think I'm awful!town in this situation, what's the point of bringing it up?

-urap
-urap

[Parachutes]

How is that interaction bad?

presumably you think our interactions with gemini are bad because you think we're either scum, or wrongheaded!town to consider that gemini might be town

-urap

[Parachutes]

under the bus that is your conceptual design of a nomnom/porkens team, which is clearly what you re building up toward.

nom + porkens not seeming so outlandish to me atm

-urap

[Parachutes]

I never implied anything about any of you 3 in terms of alignments, intents or playstyle.
All I'm saying is that I laughed my ass off because that interaction was comedy gold

so it was merely fluff with no purpose whatsoever?

-urap

[Parachutes]

Yup. Still fucking hilarious though lmao

Simply not buying it =/

not for a moment. lynch this please.

-urap

[Parachutes]

@gemini could you please answer 343 when you get a chance? thanks <3

-urap

[Parachutes]

Cheeky is ultra scummy though

Lol. If you say so.




-urap

[Parachutes]

I see you became your own worst fear.

what's that now?

[Parachutes]

Yeah, that concern has diminished. I mean, I'm still pushing to engage gemini - literally the post before you said I had become my own worst fear - but I'm super happy with you being lynched here.

-urap

[Parachutes]

porkens, I think you're wrong on cheeky. Let's lynch nom.

If wrong on nom, cheeky's alignment will become apparent tomorrow.

-urap

p.edit oh, I guess this isn't going to be effective. =/

[Parachutes]

porkens, I think you're wrong on cheeky. Let's lynch nom.

If wrong on nom, cheeky's alignment will become apparent tomorrow.

-urap

p.edit oh, I guess this isn't going to be effective. =/

-urap =P

[Parachutes]

-urap =P

I hate my life rn

[Parachutes]

one more thought before bed. This is the ONLY mention of a town read by nomnomnom so far this game. I see this as indicative of someone keeping their lynch options open. It's also not about a post that seems AI to me?

LuckyOtter feels town from the engagement of the whole nomnom vs Cheeky thing

This is probably town

-urap

[Parachutes]

@gem thank you for your effortful response. I'll reply later today when I have some time to sit down

-urap

[Parachutes]

Why don't you ask me about my reads instead of assuming what I read as town and scum? That'd be great

I was talking about what you

chose

to put into the thread. I see that as being indicative. I have no doubt that if I asked you for your town reads that you would put names to paper.

-urap

[Parachutes]

Hey nom what are your reads?

though maybe not, becuase as of now it's been asked and left unanswered. ;P

-urap

[Parachutes]

I don't think Urap ever takes a 1v1 this far with me as scum

what in the world could this possibly be based on? Serious question

-urap

[Parachutes]

@Parachutes, talk to me about CT and why you're Townreading them.

So, first of all, I don't think I am capable of making a high percentage read on CT in either direction. My understanding is that CT plays much like Elsa and RC in the sense that the goal is to create a slot that is very difficult to read, even if that means sacrificing a couple % in either direction. If there is a solid way of reading CT, I don't know it, and that makes me wary of anyone who claims a really solid read on them.

That said, I'm not seeing the scum motivation from them. She's pushing loud slots (as well as slots like yours), which certainly isn't the easiest path to a scum mislynch. like, if nom turns out to be town (i don't think they're svs either) then who wants to take that level of activity on in a 1v1?

What it all comes down to is I don't want to lynch here today. I think it can wait until tomorrow when we have more information.

[Parachutes]

-urap

[Parachutes]

these seem to me like the most ai posts in his iso, and they look townie to me? Why are we running up apthet?

Spoiler:

Happy one year anniversary, LuckyOtter!

You see me say maybe I'm town and you take it literally. Like what do I achieve as scum there? It's more likely I'm attempting to troll the troll which is NAI.

That's not quite my idea. I think it's a more psychological thing. Deflecting by way of a joke. Like I said, it's minor. (I also think that your responses seem town here.)

My interpretation of tris's repeating of Porkens being mafia is that in my opinion, scum tends to minimize their sphere of interaction. They want to stick with the people they're comfortable talking about and they don't have paranoia motivating them to branch out. And having an early game single focus I think fits in that model. I mean of course it could just be trolling like you say (in the sense that every action can be interpreted two ways) but I think it's enough to warrant pointing it out.

Tris making critical thinking here

Tris may be town

Is this a meta thing?

Because in my mind it was fairly obvious given the preceding posts. I'm curious, is there a reason for this question?

Yeah. The last game I played, I made a naked vote and someone asked me why, and I went into my reasons, and then they started scumreading me for not giving the reasons immediately. I think that logic is terrible but I thought I'd ask you the question and see how you answered it anyway. Now that I did, I don't think it really helped me at all.

I also went back and looked at Gemini's posts because I thought that townreading LuckyOtter and tris and disagreeing with a townread on Porkens on her part was a particularly disagreeable opinion. I thought this post was pretty bad:

True enough, you have a point.

Avoid attention from what? I'm not joining a wagon just to join one. Someone has to be giving me scummy vibes for me to.

I could also see it coming from a more "reactive" kind of town player but we'll see.
VOTE: GeminiTwin

You say that Gemini's post was "pretty bad," (why?) but then immediately hedge this by saying it could be a reactive town. Then you pretty well admit you're reaching in 129. This doesn't sit well--shows a lack of conviction.

I don't like this at all. I'm engaging with Gemini to further explore the read. I'm at the starting line right now. I feel like I'm nowhere near having a conviction.

I also went back and looked at Gemini's posts because I thought that townreading LuckyOtter and tris and disagreeing with a townread on Porkens on her part was a particularly disagreeable opinion.

What's disagreeable about that?

I just mean that I don't share those reads.

[Parachutes]

Um I'm not intentionally scummy, that is just what results from my play. :/
I am an awkward scum player, so if consensus townread me then you should be afraid.

maybe i don't really understand you yet then

[Parachutes]

My interpretation of tris's repeating of Porkens being mafia is that in my opinion, scum tends to minimize their sphere of interaction. They want to stick with the people they're comfortable talking about and they don't have paranoia motivating them to branch out. And having an early game single focus I think fits in that model. I mean of course it could just be trolling like you say (in the sense that every action can be interpreted two ways) but I think it's enough to warrant pointing it out.

i don't agree with this, but it doesn't seem consistent with my profile of "awkward, newish scum"

-urap

[Parachutes]

and same thing for all of 170 (second post in spoiler)

-urap

[Parachutes]

nom tho, going from hard scum read on CT to happy to vote an inactive slot with her to lynch... still scum

-urap

[Parachutes]

i guess what im saying is, someone help me see the case?

-urap

[Parachutes]

@gemini what are your thoughts on apthet?

-urap

[Parachutes]

As I said it's either the playstyle (which is pretty fucking horrendous with all of that said)

so we're clear, CT is a better player than I am, and likely a better player than you are. just saying.

by like, any metric

-urap

p.s. can you make the case on apthet for me? Because like i said, I think town

[Parachutes]

@chutes what makes you think that Ap is town?

like i literally just answered this, so i'm gonna refer you to the last ~page of the thread here

I'll take a look more carefully at what you threw down tomorrow

-urap

[Parachutes]

I was more curious about the fact you townread them despite them fitting one of your scum profiles, but alright.

i said they don't fit that profile

[Parachutes]

One thing I'm not getting is, in the case of Scum!Nom, why the hard tunnel on potential (for the sake of this thing here) town!Nom (& earlier myself) only to just switch off abruptly? Is Scum!Nom testing the waters for a lynch, seeing what's viable and what's not?

I don't remember if she did the switching, but the hard tunnel and argumentative style is in line with the one game I've played with nom, where they were scum. I actually made the mistake there to town read nom because I didn't think new scum would go so full bore, but she did.

[Parachutes]

@ parachutes can you explain in more detail why you think apthet's posts look townie? All you've said is that they don't seem consistent with your scum profile but I don't see further reasoning for that.

Since you're looking for a case against ap, I have a summary of what I didn't like about ap's interactions in 172 that you could respond to. Ap's response to it was very lackluster, imo.

Yeah I can do this one sec

last two by urap

[Parachutes]

In the first post of the spoiler, apthet admits that her read on CT saying "maybe" is minor, but still backs up their belief in it as a read. (For the record, I think it's completely nai). I think this is townie more so than "awkward newish scum." I would expect new scum to either double down, or more likely, pull a "I guess you're probably right" type of response. It's a tone thing. There is a little bit of stubbornness with regard to their reasoning while understanding that other people disagree, and probably think they're scummy for it that leads to lines like "like I said, it's minor." It's like saying "please can we move on to something else? I understand that you disagree with me, and I don't want to back off because I kind of think I'm right, but this isn't the hill I'm going to die on."

The bit about scum wanting to "minimize their sphere of interaction" also feels like a real thought. Again, I disagree, but the tone makes me think this is a real read. "I mean of course it could just be trolling like you say" is similar to above. You could argue that it's fence-sitting and fence-sitting is often scummy, but I think there is a subtle difference. Apthet is allowing for another possibility while believing in her assessment, which I think is town-indicative. A scum-indicative bit of fence-sitting often feels like they are trying to convince you of both arguments at the same time, rather than acknowledging one read while pushing the second. In this instance, I'd expect scum fence sitting to give a reason for why it could be scummy, rather than just acknowledging that it could be. Instead of saying that it could be "trolling (in the sense that every action can be interpreted in two ways)," I would expect to scum of this profile to say something like "I mean of course it could just be trolling because xx feels trolly and doesn't advance the game"

In the second post, "I don't like this at all. I'm engaging with Gemini to further explore the read. I'm at the starting line right now. I feel like I'm nowhere near having a conviction." just straight up reads town. Scum, especially of the profile that scum!apthet fits into in my eyes, "awkward newish scum," wants to try and find the reads. They're often acutely aware that they are supposed to be faking reads, and pushing back against someone expecting that because the game is still new is a hard post for this type of player to make.

Even the second part, saying in a manner-of-fact sort of way that she called the reads "disagreeable" because she.. disagreed with them is also townie. What I see in this, as well as the rest of the parts I mentioned above, is a player taking heat for not having reads, but refusing to over weight the reads she is giving. There is no attempt to give more credit or confidence to the reads than they believe is warranted, even in the face of people calling their reads scummy. That's a town trait, straight up (and a reason I wanted to give gemini more opportunities, as well. She also demonstrated this.)

these seem to me like the most ai posts in his iso, and they look townie to me? Why are we running up apthet?

Spoiler:

Happy one year anniversary, LuckyOtter!

You see me say maybe I'm town and you take it literally. Like what do I achieve as scum there? It's more likely I'm attempting to troll the troll which is NAI.

That's not quite my idea. I think it's a more psychological thing. Deflecting by way of a joke. Like I said, it's minor. (I also think that your responses seem town here.)

My interpretation of tris's repeating of Porkens being mafia is that in my opinion, scum tends to minimize their sphere of interaction. They want to stick with the people they're comfortable talking about and they don't have paranoia motivating them to branch out. And having an early game single focus I think fits in that model. I mean of course it could just be trolling like you say (in the sense that every action can be interpreted two ways) but I think it's enough to warrant pointing it out.

Tris making critical thinking here

Tris may be town

Is this a meta thing?

Because in my mind it was fairly obvious given the preceding posts. I'm curious, is there a reason for this question?

Yeah. The last game I played, I made a naked vote and someone asked me why, and I went into my reasons, and then they started scumreading me for not giving the reasons immediately. I think that logic is terrible but I thought I'd ask you the question and see how you answered it anyway. Now that I did, I don't think it really helped me at all.

I also went back and looked at Gemini's posts because I thought that townreading LuckyOtter and tris and disagreeing with a townread on Porkens on her part was a particularly disagreeable opinion. I thought this post was pretty bad:

True enough, you have a point.

Avoid attention from what? I'm not joining a wagon just to join one. Someone has to be giving me scummy vibes for me to.

I could also see it coming from a more "reactive" kind of town player but we'll see.
VOTE: GeminiTwin

You say that Gemini's post was "pretty bad," (why?) but then immediately hedge this by saying it could be a reactive town. Then you pretty well admit you're reaching in 129. This doesn't sit well--shows a lack of conviction.

I don't like this at all. I'm engaging with Gemini to further explore the read. I'm at the starting line right now. I feel like I'm nowhere near having a conviction.

I also went back and looked at Gemini's posts because I thought that townreading LuckyOtter and tris and disagreeing with a townread on Porkens on her part was a particularly disagreeable opinion.

What's disagreeable about that?

I just mean that I don't share those reads.

-urap

[Parachutes]

I'm not saying I'm 100% on this read, and I would super prefer to have more to go on, but I think those are the most likely to be ai posts of her entire iso, and they both ring town to me.

I also agree that there is a feeling in the switch to apthet of "any lynch is a good lynch but ____" and I have an idea for the ____, but I don't want to go into it until whoever was asked has the opportunity to answer.

-urap

[Parachutes]

man, my freshman writing seminar prof would have killed me for the structure of those paragraphs... but fuck it. ya'll get my thoughts in an unedited fashion. ain't nobody got time to lay out the structure of a case ;p

-urap

[Parachutes]

Actually I remember seeing something that makes nom likely town.
VOTE: Porkens

care to share, friend?

-urap

[Parachutes]

also, lead me to water on scum!porkens?

-urap

[Parachutes]

@mastina Why were you so excited to join this game, in particular?

-urap

[Parachutes]

Waiting on someone to catch up to the end of a thread feels like some sort of time dilation scenario, but I can't figure out one that fits precisely

One day I will though. But today, I just enjoy it =)

-urap

[Parachutes]

what does WoT mean?

-urap

[Parachutes]

ty, nom

-urap

[Parachutes]

@nom

How would you describe your mood right now both in general and wrt the game

-urap

[Parachutes]

@nom
Which slots do you need to rethink?

-urap

[Parachutes]

@Mastina Did your reads change at all between when you read and posted about 104 and the end of the thread? (I'm assuming that you were posting as you caught up, but it would also be good to know if that's a bad assumption.)

-urap

[Parachutes]

Cheeky's. Gemini's. And those slots have natural incidence on Ap's, so Ap as well.

Mastina's as well, presumably?

-urap

[Parachutes]

I'll take that as an answer to my question as well, Mastina.

So here's the thing. I think you're wrong about nomnom. I play this game to win, but a sub-goal for me is to get better at convincing people to lynch the slot I want lynched. Getting better at that persuasion is why I started playing here in the first place. Prior to your entrance, I think I was ~60-70% into the process of securing a lynch on nom.

Is there any chance that I could get you to abandon your reads entirely and join me on nom?

Alternatively, could you ELI5 why I'm so wrong about nom's alignment?

-urap

[Parachutes]

I also have a VERY good idea of what 147 was referring to, which would make me EVEN FURTHER inclined to trust that ClearlyClarity was town, because it's not something I'd expect her to reference if she were scum.

Can you speak to it, or is that still disallowed?

-urap

[Parachutes]

There's also where nom is pushing; nom's pushes have been on players that, with the exception of apthet, go against the grain of others. nom as scum kinda went with the flow by and large and avoided confrontration, whereas nom as town lives in those "fuck what the town says, I'm doing my own thing" moments. The reasons, the logic, the everything, comes from a town nom here.

Yikes. You haven't read nom's first scum game, have you?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=79138
-urap

p.edit then we probably shouldn't speak of it.

[Parachutes]

I disagree with you about 145 (spoiled for easy reference). 86 was saying nothing, but that wasn't a reason to scum read tris. In 82 tris had a legitimate reason to say that porkens had reasons - she had been scum read by otter for asking about porkens reasons. Porkens later stated reasons, and tris was saying this to make the argument to luckyotter that her question was legitimate, resulted in info (small, but good for how early in the game it was). And 78 was in no way a defense of cheekyteeky (plus, as you and I both know, legit scum reads do happen page 1.)

So all in all, I think it was clarity's post that showed a lack of critical thinking about the thread, and I don't understand why you town read it?

Spoiler:

Do I get raisons?

Just looks like you're trying too hard to look like town. Your last question/comment to Gemini is really not accomplishing anything.

How is she trying to hard to be town rather than just doing town stuff?

You are challenging his read, correct?

I was less challenging it and more interrogating it.

31 is asking into something that is clearly a joke

Was it though? It became clear after my responses, but I could have had some actual reason for believing that Porkens is mafia.

In post 14? Highly unlikely.

Porkens had reasons however small for their reads.

I like how you assume we should all play the same way. If your brain can't see the use, then dammit maude, it's not useful!

Conversely, I want to townread you, but that might just be because you have a playstyle that I like so far.

Tris making even more good responses here.

Yeah, tris is probably town.

-Nuko

Yeah uh

I don't really see how any of this is critical thinking? Like most of tris's responses are really general and bland here? 86 is pretty much saying nothing and idk why they felt the need to speak for Porkens in 82. I don't like 78 for their poor defense of Cheeky either, like how do you even have a concrete reason for scumreading someone p1?

- Clarity

[Parachutes]

UNVOTE:

I need to gather my thoughts.

I have mixed feelings about the game, I need to think some things through about some slots.

I need to process all of this.

I'm just fucking confused is all.

I read the above as "I need some time to figure out how my scum team is going to deal with scum-god Mastina's entrance and the disruptive effects that it will undoubtedly have on the gamestate. Once ya'll give reads I'll be able to plan my next move."

I honestly have trouble trusting someone that doesn't even reference my slot with the player that's currently playing it. Just my two cents.

@mastina are you legitimately going to base your reads on the first few pages and ignore everything in between? Because it sure does seem like it

At this point in the game, Mastina comes in, town reads nom (whom I had been pressuring for pages) and scum reads not one, but TWO of the recent slots nom has pushed, neither of which had nom switched to a town read on. I would expect town (because this is how I feel) to get that endorphin rush of having a replacement come in and basically confirm your reads. Like, the response from town to these situations is usually a bias TOWARDS town reading the replacement, not the other way around. And Nom's read on tris had been a town lean turned null by a lack of activity, so she wasn't predisposed to suspect mastina's slot.

Yeah, 100% no.If you're honestly banking our town win on you being right on me...we're in trouble.

alarm bells rising again

god fucking damn it

Again, this doesn't feel right. Nom had a scum read on gemini, and moved her to null while continuing to say there was likely scum somewhere in {cheeky, me, gemini}, so why would it be frustrating to find a post by gemini scummy - ESPECIALLY after mastina comes in to confirm nom's earlier scum read?

-urap

[Parachutes]

she had been scum read by otter for asking about porkens reasons.

This is not factually accurate. Otter was scum reading cheeky for wondering about tris' reasons. The point still stands tho, just that tris was likely trying to sort otter rather than what I said in 520

[Parachutes]

@mastina so to summarize,

-I don't find your reasons for town!reading compelling (or I find them outside the scope of this game)
-I think you have an unbalanced view of Nom's meta because she absolutely can and has pushed with this tone and aggressiveness as scum - in her first game no less. I'm not discounting the meta that you used (I'll take your word for it that she can play other ways, as well). This isn't an argument that meta should be used to scum read her; it's an argument that meta shouldn't be used here to town read her.
-and I think she's being rather transparent!scum in her response to your entrance

Where am I wrong?

[Parachutes]

In post 343, Parachutes wrote:
@gemini what's your impression of this interaction between nom and CT? Is it more likely svs, svt, or tvt? or am I a fool for thinking it is alignment-indicative? With reasons for your intuition, if you can.

Not that my name is Gemini, but my interpretation of this is that you think it's svs?

no. svt

-urap

[Parachutes]

Her!

Apologies. I corrected that error in a later post about you

-urap

[Parachutes]

Urap I'm pretty sure nom is town.

pics or didn't happen (for the second time, why?)

-urap

[Parachutes]

@chutes You are in confirmation bias territory. You are fitting everything I do with this idea that I am scum and find scum intent in everything I say. In fact I am fairly sure that in a world where I do the opposite of the things you underline, I would still get scumread by you. Your pride is getting the better of you and you are dead set on proving that you can lynch my slot rather than actual scum hunting right now. This is destructive.

I've actually pushed very few reasons for why I think you're scum. I've been mainly asserting that you're scum. So what are all of these things that I am conf-biasing on?

[Parachutes]

I've actually pushed very few reasons for why I think you're scum. I've been mainly asserting that you're scum. So what are all of these things that I am conf-biasing on?

Like, yes, I find your responses to mastina's entrance scummy by and large

But I haven't been pushing you for skimming and misreading my posts, which you have been. I've simply been correcting you because I AM wary of being conf-biased. There are other places where I have discounted this as well. All in all, I think I'm doing a pretty good job avoiding it this game.

[Parachutes]

By your own admission you admit that you are more interested in proving yourself that you can convince others to lynch my slot rather than anything else. If this isn't conf-biasing to the extreme I don't know what is.

I said it was a sub-goal to winning. And I said it in a post where I asked mastina to town!case you, which was the real point of the post, of course.

[Parachutes]

I play this game to win, but a sub-goal for me

[Parachutes]

I think you're actually traumatized by the normal we played together and that this is what makes you act this way right now. You're scared of my slot because of that game since you keep referencing it over and over.

I'd say that I have a healthy respect for your scum-game, personally.

Why should I be town reading you? Town!case yourself for me.

[Parachutes]

okiee

[Parachutes]

I promise to look at it with an open mind.

[Parachutes]

I'm going on a road trip tomorrow at 6 am, and then I'll be camping til sunday, and road tripping until late monday night

so while I will be able to check in occasionally, this is my last evening to actually push the game in a direction I'd like it to go. That's why I'm being super active right now.

Just so ya'll understand where I'm coming from.

[Parachutes]

It's real. It's why I don't trust my RC, A50 or NM reads.

could you please town!case nom for me? Like I said, I've only got this evening to do this.

[Parachutes]

In general this is a pretty self-centered player, mostly posting whenever someone talks to her. Players are interacting with her, but she's not interacting with them, if that makes sense.

This always comes from town. Scum don't focus on non-logic and they don't subconsciously reveal frustrations like this. Emotions slip through town posts but not scum posts unless it's intentional AtE which this clearly isn't.

Sorry I had missed it. You're right that it's a good post. This is a similar argument to the one I used for town!apthet, so I'm inclined to like your reasoning. It's not a bad read on apthet, either. Is it wholly out of nom's scum range? Gonna burn one down and get back to you on that.

In the mean time, have you seen more instances of this kind of thing from nom so far this game?

[Parachutes]

In that really bad geriatric gane URAP do you remember how Shoshin and NoLunch were scumreading me for being bad and not interacting with them and they were both town? That's what's happened here with nom. It's the frustration that's town.

not sure I feel frustration coming from it tho. Like I like her read and I like the thought process, but frustration?

[Parachutes]

I mean they also reacted empathetically when I was offended at them calling me garbage on their entrance so that's another instance of a genuine reaction.

I mean, she then continued to call your playstyle horrendous... So how real do you think the empathy was?

[Parachutes]

I mean, she then continued to call your playstyle horrendous... So how real do you think the empathy was?

(as opposed to just wanting to throw shade at you)

[Parachutes]

Like "scummy" is acceptable by why "garbage"?

Someone making bad posts doesn't automatically mean they are scum. But here it actually is really bad and your early day posts feel extremely forced and I get strong scumvibes from you. I don't contain my language in mafia games because I'd rather have my thoughts on there close to unfiltered rather than have my message left unclear later in the game. Don't take it personally.

Give me your thoughts on Otter.

sorry, where was the empathy?

[Parachutes]

Okay, I've been in this airbnb for a month and I gotta get it clean before I go to bed in a couple hours

I get that ya'll think I'm tunneling. It's possible, but I think at the end of the day she's flipping scum here.

I may or may not v/la because I think I should be able to avoid prods, but ya'll are gonna get the lynch you want here. If it comes down to the deadline I'll switch to whatever lynch ya'll are on to avoid a no lynch, but I really hope you will pleasantly surprise me with a nom lynch.

-urap

[Parachutes]

This is empathetic (vs sympathetic) because they believe I'm hurt.

I'd say it's more "suck it up, buttercup" but w/e

[Parachutes]

Again, where is your partner?

again, none of your business.

[Parachutes]

Haven't been eaten by a bear yet. Will post tonight. Is there a townbloc yet?

[Parachutes]

About 7hrs from home. Still not loving apthet for a Lynch here.

[Parachutes]

okay I'm digging into this

that's L-1 if I'm counting right. Would appreciate a chance to dive in prior to hammer

[Parachutes]

What? No. Mastina is posturing and caught herself out by trying to guilty Gem in a way that would make me confirmed scum in Mastina's eyes yet she hard townreads me. She's not paying attention to the game but pretending to. Town has no reason to posture therefore mastina is scum.

Are you saying that you believe Mastina was trying to inform town that we're all VT's, but then forgot to scum read you for not being VT?

-everything is urap rn

[Parachutes]

I said I already knew Gem was a VT. That means I'm scum according to that game but mastina says I'm town. So uh that's what it has to do with it.

oh, wait. So you're saying that mastina, upon hearing you declare gem VT, must have considered that you knowing that makes you likely scum because of the 1st edition's setup. Further, you would expect that to overwhelm her reasons for town reading you. Correct?

[Parachutes]

Exactly, it appears that Mastina is very well spewing out reads regardless, that's the issue here. Sometimes it's about what you *don't* say.

Of cheeky and Gem, gem coming off far scummier throughout this interaction.

[Parachutes]

nom feeling townie throughout it

[Parachutes]

.

I'm still voting here lol
UNVOTE:

[Parachutes]

Re: 615

Spoiler:

I stand by my statement. Showing an unwillingness to even question the basis of someone's argument or even entertain the thought for the sake of conversation also isn't productive.

472 - Using rvs/joke votes to determine alignment. Saying I'm scum? For a joke vote.

474 - using the terms "clear as day" "transparent" without showing examples, postings anything feels like they're trying to give off the air of scum hunting, it feels surface level.

513- Reinforces my thought of Nom. Just being hard to read, I keep going back and forth on them.

516 - I already recently talked about it and how that assessment shows their logic here should also apply to CT, to whom they've town read where a feel like they have a legitimate chance of being scum here. It feeds into what I believe them to be doing, skinning through and then thinking they have the game already solved when I know for a fact they're incorrect on me. That's where I take issue.

Scum pool / middle, Null / town leaning for now

Cheakyteaky, Mastina
Nomnomom, Apathet, Porkins, C&N
Parachutes, luckyotter

I could see the read on me, but otter?

[Parachutes]

Cheakyteaky, Mastina
Nomnomom, Apathet, Porkins, C&N
Parachutes, luckyotter

I could see the read on me, but otter?

whoops, read reads backwards for a sec

[Parachutes]

It sure didn't feel like you were scum reading cheakyteaky while you were talking about mastina w/ her?

[Parachutes]

I like C&N for town

[Parachutes]

I would expect town (because this is how I feel) to get that endorphin rush of having a replacement come in and basically confirm your reads.

To the contrary! Excitement would've made me feel the side-eye.

Paranoia

on the other hand, is insanely town.

Town who have struggled to push their reads all game

can

, when someone comes in and suddenly is pushing those same reads, feel a rush of relief...but far, far, far, FAR more likely? They're gonna be skeeved out at the buddying/sheeping going on because they've gone the whole game without being followed and now suddenly someone is? The natural inclination for most town players is immediate suspicion and paranoia, doubting their previous pushes' legitimacy, with hesitance because suddenly, this idea which was theirs is no longer theirs alone.

That's reason for nom to be town, not scum.

This is not my experience, but I respect it's yours.

[Parachutes]

Everything he's saying is indicative of town is indicative of scum; it's literally fucking backwards.

quoted for future sig use

[Parachutes]

As for Otter's question about where my null and scumreads are in light of my townreads:

With the current information that I'm working with... I don't know. I'll make a real post at some point in the near future maybe. If I had any solid scumreads I'd be focusing there. I might get enough comfortable townreads at some point where the remaining pool is really narrow. Like I'm a lot more comfortable with Cheeky as well. mastina seems town and that's ridiculously annoying. I think the people I don't have reasons to townread are both hydras and maybe Otter, who I'm more ??? on.

I could lynch either gem or apthet.

Mastina is probably right lol

[Parachutes]

I'd policy lynch mastina if there's interest

I'd do it even if they were mod confirmed IC double vig one shot cop

[Parachutes]

Look, I've put Gemini in the position that most makes it look like we're partners. You're welcome for the freebie. Just throw me to the dogs already.

this feels super scummy

[Parachutes]

just read back through her iso to see if I needed to ask for a claim and I think apthet is town

let's flip gemini instead.

VOTE: gemini

[Parachutes]

okay, you're right. must be her

VOTE: apthet

[Parachutes]

[Parachutes]

I'm inclined to believe the claims until I have reason not to.

And I like the reasoning for apthet being clear if gemini flips scum.

There's probably a pairing where he doesn't HAVE to be the partner doing the kill

First thoughts I'm okay with gemini today. I think mastina probably got at least one right there

-urap

[Parachutes]

@Parachutes what prompted you to switch votes to Apathet last day phase?

I looked at the time left to the deadline and the playerlist

and then I considered how d1 had gone recently

and I decided I didn't prefer your lynch over apthet's by so much that I wanted to try and change it.

[Parachutes]

Oh yeah, that definitely crossed my mind when I first read it. It initially felt too good to be true, felt convenient. I wondered if scum would actually just..out themselves like that, yeah, if you're confident/strong player you could pull it off

but I can't get caught up on this type of *if* right now because - as of right now we don't have anyone or anything to refuse what you two have said. So I'll take note of it and try to keep a broader perspective.

I think the bolded is scummy

[Parachutes]

Can you expand on that thought?

Right before the bolded, gemini implies that scum would be unlikely to act a certain way, but that a good player could pull off such behaviors. I should have highlighted this part, too.

The bolded is a deflection from discussion on the read - "but I can't get caught up on this type of *if* right now"

a mechanical reason for going against her read - "because - as of right now we don't have anyone or anything to refuse what you two have said."

and affirmation that despite the reasons for her read to be wrong, she still holds that read - "So I'll take note of it and try to keep a broader perspective." To her credit, the broader perspective part is good. The part about taking note of her read (presumably for future use, as that's why we take notes) given her stated reasons not to hold that read is what's scummy.

[Parachutes]

guys, this thing where they don't have to be town? they're both town. it's clearly a thing where schadd wants to laugh at our paranoia

[Parachutes]

2 of {gemini, cheeky, C&N}

maybe lucky otter? but I don't think so

VOTE: gemini L-1

[Parachutes]

if this is town, Cheeky + C&N are the team never forget

[Parachutes]

Okay... if you have been put in a PT of ANY KIND please claim so immediately.

i claim hydra pt

[Parachutes]

So basically I was informed that the scums this game have to put at least one pair of people in a PT each night, and that they could give them an action in a pool of 5 different actions: heal, inform, rolestop, track and watch. I received every single introduction thingy to every PT and the names are "medical interns", "data science interns", "engineering interns", "tech interns" and "FBI interns" respectively. They can't use the same action twice and they can't put 2 scums in a PT.

I was also informed that the game would become nightless on day 3 (aka today) and that the moderator would inform publicly everyone of that, but that this deadline would be expanded for a day for every excess PT they create. So I guess that since it wasn't announced that this game was nightless from now on, you guys aren't lying about your PT. But still, really fucking sucks that you and mastina were put in it. That kind of changes things I was dead set on C/N-Chutes and was 100% expecting for Chutes to be in another PT when I received this information. Now I need to think about all of this real quick.

what is the benefit to scum of making more pt's (and giving town more power) than they absolutely have to?

[Parachutes]

scum team is C+N + Mastina btw

[Parachutes]

wait hold on

[Parachutes]

what is the benefit to scum of making more pt's (and giving town more power) than they absolutely have to?

I still don't understand this

If this is true information, then why would scum give town two PT's today

It's already lylo. So if scum is giving us two PT's, does that mean they were pretty confident they were getting lynched today?

[Parachutes]

so all possible scum teams are

{C+N, Mastina}, {LO, Nom}, {LO, C+N}

[Parachutes]

For the team {LO, Nom},

Nom and Mastina would have decided to track Nom's scum partner. Either they had nom make the kill or if that wasn't possible they got lucky and nom got the result and could change it.

N2,
Lucky Otter and Mastina get together and decide that Lucky Otter is the best choice for a doc save.

@Mastina do you think, from your experience with each of them in the PT's, that this is a possible world?

[Parachutes]

For team {LO, C+N}
Night 1, they give an investigative role to Mastina and Nom, both very bright players, and they almost get caught, but C+N makes the kill

For this to be real, choosing C+N to make the kill demonstrates a choice that a) mastina and nom are more likely to check LO than C+N and b) that if someone is going to be red checked, it should be C+N

town!mastina d1 was pretty set on her solve, but a green flip D1 might have set her off solving again. I don't think I'd be confident in that.

@nom were you scum reading either of C+N or LO at the end of D1?

[Parachutes]

D2 for them they give the doctor shot to Lucky and Mastina so that lucky can guide the save off of their night target of cheeky?
I guess that probably wouldn't have been a hard lift

C+N pushes nom to send me the info in an attempt to implicate me after a C+N red flip? Actually, does kind of tie in to the idea that C+N made the kill N1

[Parachutes]

Team {Mastina, C+N}

N1, send mastina to go handle the tracker result, and put it onto LO for some reason
N2 send mastina to go handle the doc save rather than the information?
Send C+N to go try and send me the info to implicate me some how

I don't really believe in these choices

[Parachutes]

well that makes the team LO, C+N

[Parachutes]

LO, C+N also makes sense to me from another sense

I think scum would be worried about cutting down the number of possible teams they could be a part of

Like, say that mastina is scum. If we lynch mastina today, then C+N is conf!scum fmpov

if nom is scum and we lynch her today, then LO is conf!scum in my eyes.

so it would make sense to me that the two repeats in the pt's were town

[Parachutes]

D2 for them they give the doctor shot to Lucky and Mastina so that lucky can guide the save off of their night target of cheeky?
I guess that probably wouldn't have been a hard lift

Actually.

LuckyOtter advocated for protecting CheekyTeeky.

It was ME who dissuaded him from that.

wifom?

[Parachutes]

The thing about that is:
nom and I had identical reads D1.
apthet, Gemini as our scumteam; tertiary suspect...

...Chito & Nuko.

We both agreed that the only scumteam in which Chito & Nuko make the kill is in Gemini-C/N, because in literally any other scumteam combo, the other scum's going to make the kill to avoid the track.

so then for this to be the world, C+N and LO must have either a) chosen the two of you without being aware of your reads or b) wifomed the hell out of you both

[Parachutes]

I thought he was pretty obviously bullshitting me in the PT so I targeted myself with the action while he targeted Chutes.

@mastina

[Parachutes]

okay ya, let's go

VOTE: chito and nuko

VOTE: chito and nuko

[Parachutes]

Cool

i mean if you think mastina is scum you think im scum too right

[Parachutes]

I think you're both town and you've earned this loss

so you think it's exactly LO and nom?

UNVOTE:

why is it LO and nom?

UNVOTE:

[Parachutes]

There are actually worlds where Mastina-Otter is likely and those worlds make me feel really scared about the outcome of this game.

this is not a possible pairing.. they were in a pt.

[Parachutes]

Kinda not liking that mastina nopes out of the thread right after nomnom misses hammer

also not a possible pairing

[Parachutes]

Nomnom/mastina

Mechanically that's impossible unless you believe we lied about being put in a tracker PT somehow.

also pls claim

oh, i see the point, it's possible if you chose say, mastina + porkens and shot porkens

[Parachutes]

@C+N why did you guys want to give me the information last night?

[Parachutes]

I thought the way you reevaluated us in twilight spewed you town. The vengekill joke was kinda a hint of that.

Nom says she requested that she receive the info.

If the goal was to put the info into town hands, why not also request that your slot receive the info?

When did you begin scum reading each of nom and otter?

[Parachutes]

-They gave up total control of the heal ability to 2 town. If we made the right call, we'd still be in lylo, and since creating the second PT pushes back the nightless day, scum get a kill anyway. So the heal action doesn't actually seem entirely helpful for town. What am I missing here?

well it wouldn't get them a kill, anyway. We would just be in mylo instead of lylo

and no lynching is powerful in this situation because we get at minimum one pt in that night

actually doc hitting the right target would be really bad for scum!us in this world

[Parachutes]

I think that unless I think I'm going to be night killed, I request that the information be given to me every time

VOTE: C+N