Dance of the Title Thread: Resurgence in wild?

[Psyche]

transparent is a pretty bad title though imo

[InflatablePie]

ok psyche you were right that other page

was

better

sorry I doubted you

[mastina]

also i still have my april event title

It's tied to the banner; can't remove it without removing the banner, and can't give you the banner without the title because that particular banner doesn't exist outside of the title right now. (Basically if I removed your title, I'd be giving you the old banner rather than the appropriate new banner.)
Same reason brassherald still has his event title; I can't remove ",Esq." without removing his Player's Choice banner which doesn't exist outside of the title.

[mastina]

I think I like "Of Habit" more then "Of Havoc"
I kinda think of Creature's explosive posting to be more calm and uniform then to really "create Havoc" since it doesn't realy change much, he doesn't really write a lot of words, and its more simple, while havoc kinda feels like it belongs to a more chaotic posting style?

This is kind-of where I stand.

When I think Creature, I don't think that he wrecks havoc. He's known for being obvtown, and he's known for not being as competent as scum, and he's known for posting a lot, and he's known for being accurate, but none of those, not even in tandem, tell me 'havoc'.

However, those traits in tandem

do

tell me that he's a Creature Of Habit, because he is known for being obvtown, known for not being competent as scum, known for posting a lot (to the point where he's the go-to reference for hyper-posters as town), and known for being accurate.

[Psyche]

sorry but what does that have to do with habit? isn't everyone describable in terms of which roles they're good at and how often they post? for "of habit" to be appropriate doesn't there need to be evidence of especial adherence to some specific routine?

[Firebringer]

Creature has gotten better as scum. He got the old transparency title back when anyone could read him just based on if he was posting or not. Now it’s more complicated than that. I can’t say I do deep analysis of creature in games but like he got transparency because you didn’t even need to effort at all to figure his alignment

Transparency title hasn’t aged well.
This new suggested title doesn’t make sense.

I don’t think anyone sees creature as a havoc for posting a lot

[mastina]

sorry but what does that have to do with habit?

Everything?
Those are defining traits of Creature; they are things that he is widely famous for. Across multiple games, Creature has gained the reputation for those traits. He is a strong creature of habit, because across endless number of games, he has those same trends. Posting a lot as town; being obvtown as town; being fairly accurate as town; not being as great as scum.

His routine is one which is incredibly predictable and easy to lock down on.

That having been said, the concern about it not being something which

conveys

those habits is a good one.
I would say Creature is a creature of habit.
I wouldn't say the title Of Habit conveys that he posts a lot as town, is obvtown as town, accurate as town, and not as good as scum.

I also wouldn't say the title Of Havoc conveys those things, either, nor does it convey the habitual behavior.

[InflatablePie]

wish Creature was the type of player to die N1 every game so we could nominate him for

of the Nightkill

alas

[Firebringer]

he used to be a prime night 1 kill target when he was so obvtown for everyone because everyone knew you couldn't mislynch him.

[Alisae]

I wouldn't say the title Of Habit conveys that he posts a lot as town, is obvtown as town, accurate as town, and not as good as scum.

It doesn't, you're right. It conveys his personality and how he talks.
but to me, "Of Habit" conveys he posts a lot as town, is obvtown as town, accurate as town, and not as good as scum.

[Psyche]

are you insane

[Firebringer]

Is that a trick question

[Psyche]

His routine is one which is incredibly predictable and easy to lock down on.

that's not even a routine you're describing! it's a playstyle! and not even a very distinctive one!

[Alisae]

His routine is one which is incredibly predictable and easy to lock down on.

that's not even a routine you're describing! it's a playstyle! and not even a very distinctive one!

Yes.
But its distinctive to him because of how he talks.

[northsidegal]

i think it's true that creature is the same person across multiple games and thus his various traits can be seen across multiple games. i don't really think that that qualifies as a "habit"

i also feel like it's just a little bit uninspired, and not actually all that specifically reflective of his unique traits. like, yeah, some people have unique traits about them that can be seen in all of their games. it seems like the only thing in that case that would make "creature of habit" a more apt title for creature than for anyone else who does something a lot would be the fact that his name is creature in the first place, which to me seems to just reduce it to

only

being a username pun? i hope i'm making sense here.

i made the variation from "habit" to "havoc" in the first place to try to add more meaning in through referencing his posting style and the way that his presence can completely change a game. it may not be "havoc" in the sense that you might think of when it comes to other people causing havoc, but i think there's still meaning there.

[implosion]

kinda agree with psyche. Those aren't habits. They're traits. A habit in a mafia game might be something like consistently joining growing wagons, or consistently selfvoting when under pressure, or consistently tending to soft distance as scum.

Posting a lot as town; being obvtown as town; being fairly accurate as town; not being as great as scum.

The first one of these is a habit, but not an especially unique one.
The other three are not habits, because they're not actual things that he's doing; they're qualities or traits of his play.

(edit: essentially also what nsg said. I'm not convinced on of havoc, but of habit is definitely very forced)

[northsidegal]

I wouldn't say the title Of Habit conveys that he posts a lot as town, is obvtown as town, accurate as town, and not as good as scum.

It doesn't, you're right. It conveys his personality and how he talks.
but to me, "Of Habit" conveys he posts a lot as town, is obvtown as town, accurate as town, and not as good as scum.

like i don't actually think that "habit" conveys any of these things at all. it probably conveys them

less

than "Transparent" does. the only thing it conveys is that there's some kind of habit that exists, and it's basically up to the reader to already know what those habits are to understand the reference, which seems to me to be a step backwards from "transparent" (which, even if potentially difficult to intuit, could still theoretically be understood without prior knowledge).

one of my goals in the first place was to come up with a title that conveyed something without requiring prior knowledge

[Alisae]

A habit in a mafia game might be something like consistently joining growing wagons, or consistently selfvoting when under pressure, or consistently tending to soft distance as scum.

I don't associate those with the title "Of Habit"

[northsidegal]

northsidegal of habit

[implosion]

i guess the phrase as a whole is about following a routine but even then he isn't actually following a routine, the reference is just that he's always obvious as town and bad as scum and posts a lot and calling him a creature of habit doesn't actually convey that at all.

[Jingle]

northsidegal of habit

TIL, northsidegirl is a nun.

[Alisae]

If I had to describe Creature it would probably be something along the lines of "wu wei."
Its a Taoist concept.
Look it up, I think you'll find that it relates to Creature's posting style a lot I think.

[Elbirn]

No you're over thinking things and trying to sound smart.

He just spam replies to every post. That's it.

[Alisae]

I care about the how
you care about the what

[Alisae]

like there isn't anyone who even remotely sounds like Creature on site.