In post 1907, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1906, Exilon wrote: In post 1904, Ausuka wrote: In post 1901, Exilon wrote:So basically you're townreading people based on the fact they're townreading you
okay
^ This shows that exilon is scum who's just trying to get me dead because if he lynches me instead of Egix today he gets to LyLo. Remember that Egix is my scumbuddy in his eyes, yet he seems so desperate to lynch me today. It should be pretty clear that, in any world where I am town, scum want to lynch me today - my wagon got to l1 very quickly, and three of the players who got me there are scum suspects. It makes sense to see the one who instead helped derail it and is now pushing very likely scum, as the odd-one-out who is pushing a town agenda today.
This is strawmanning 101
And even your strawman is wrong from every angle
1780 is me signalling Egix / Ausuka are scum, it should therefore stand to reason i dont really care who goes first
1784 is me saying I wanna look freshly at urap and Gamma
1875 is me saying I'll happily lynch Egix today
1876 is me considering lynching Garmr as well as an option for today
1899 is me saying I don't want to end the day without Gamma speaking up
Like where the heck are you getting me being desperate to lynch you today? If anyone, you're the one coming across as desperate here and projecting it
It's not a strawman. You come into the day calling my garmr push 'convenient', even though it makes perfect sense for a townie to be suspicious of a fakeclaim (which is ironic since you've stated some willingness to lynch him since.) which is demonstrated by Detective's vote on garmr. Even though the day just started, you say that I'm 'not scumhunting' despite the fact that I came into the day voting somebody who I thought was scum who I townread before. And then you make the shot in
1901 saying that I shouldn't think that the people voting me are the scumteam; which seems like a really reasonable thing to think considering that I'm almost certainly scum's easiest mislynch here and scum HUGELY benefits from lynching the neapolitan who gets an investigation tomorrow night, today, not to mention 3 out of the 4 wagoners are inside the unconfirmed pool of 4 people. All the while, you've kept your vote on me, along with Egix who is a scumread of yours. So I think it was a reasonable assertion to make that you would like to lynch me today.
You did say that in 1780, yes - but it seems to me that you've been much more keen to lynch me today.
1784- that doesn't really mean anything to me.
I didn't interpret 1875 as you being willing to vote Egix. If it really was that, you should vote him. 1876 I don't really care about because if you're scum it stands to reason that you'd be willing to switch to town!garmr, because that would be an excellent chain of events for you - if we lynch Garmr today, then you can lynch me tomorrow or after Egix and win the game.
Unless I'm forgetting something Egix had one vote when you posted 1899; if he was at l1 that would make sense but as it is I don't get how that applies as a reason to not vote egix.
I called out the fact you were townreading someone just because they were townreading you, which is a valid point to make regardless of me being scum or town, but you avoid addressing the point itself by pointing out that saying that must make me scum, and then spend the rest of the time discussing that topic which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact I pointed out, and doesn't even address it, but you do that as an attempt to invalidate it because I'm scum. That's what a strawman is, but you can call it whatever you want - it doesn't change the fact you tried to dismiss my point rather than adressing it which is scummy as fuck
To make matters worse you even strawman yourself because you start by saying "THIS IS WHY HE'S SCUM" and then you don't actually explain how that post or that point makes me scum, and go on a completely unrelated tangent.
I get the general point you're trying to make here - I seem very intent on mislynching you as a strategy, and I would love to do it TODAY - which might be valid, except, as I've said,.... no, if I were desperate to lynch you I wouldn't be considering other options or waiting around for people to speak up. Also, I was pushing you way before you claimed, so if you're going to use the argument that scum want to lynch you because of your powers you might as well justify my apparent precognitive abilities.
Also, I don't know why you're misrepping me here but I don't think it's likely Garmr is scum. I just agree with detective pika that it's not a bad move for town in order to put scum on a terrible spot and eliminate the offchance they're both scum. It's mechanical and it isn't disadvantegeous *even* if they're actual masons. So I don't need to think he's fakeclaiming for it to be beneficial for town.
Also while we're on this topic
didn't interpret 1875 as you being willing to vote Egix. If it really was that, you should vote him. 1876 I don't really care about because if you're scum it stands to reason that you'd be willing to switch to town!garmr, because that would be an excellent chain of events for you - if we lynch Garmr today, then you can lynch me tomorrow or after Egix and win the game.
It's not relevant at this point who I'm voting for because my reads are clearly stated and pressure to get claims is irrelevant, but if it matters to you, ok. There it is.
And 1876 you're discarding without even realizing you're disproving yourself and getting sidetracked - going for Garmr means I'm not going for you which means you're wrong about me being *desperate to lynch you today* - and even so, why are you so confident that town would lose the game in that scenario, with the amount of clear power left? And why aren't you even considering you might be dying during that night? It's like you know exactly how the game is going to play out in your head, and town doesn't win, even though from your POV, town!Ausuka would most likely be nightkilled, but in either case, town has extreme clear power.
In post 1906, Exilon wrote:
In post 1903, Exilon wrote:You think you live in a gamestate, with that day 2, where skitter, egix, and me are all scum?
Yes. There was very limited interest in lynching either you or skitter so it's easy to see the advantage of distancing/bussing (you can pull this against anyone who thinks that the two of you are buddies and the risk of a lynch is pretty minimal.) Egix is a little harder to get around, and I'll admit there was a time I thought you and egix were literally never s/s. However, I think the move does actually make some sense.
Egix, even on early d2 when he wasn't under that much suspicion, is unlikely to make it to endgame.
However, if you bus him, and Egix flips red, that basically gives you a free pass to win, or even vice versa, because you can pull the exact card that you just did! So, I do think it makes sense for scum to do.
About Skitter - you just recycled Garmr's theory here and completely disregarded what was said about it later, and failed to incorporate it here.
About Egix - your wording here seems very peculiar - why was Scum!Egix unlikely to make it to endgame? How do *you* know this?
I don't think my theory is exactly the same as garmr's; in particular I never got the impression d2 that skitter was going to be lynched anytime soon; at maximum it was just me and Garmr voting for her. When she started arguing against you, it was only HRG voting for her.
If you posted anything that you think disproves you and skitter as s/s please point me at it; I don't remember, and I even checked just now and don't see anything along those lines that I need to address.
The egix line is super stretchy. Egix doesn't make it to endgame because he's compromise bait. I'm pretty sure that nobody was really townreading that slot, and it seems very likely that at some point he would get lynched. For example, Egix is a strong lynch candidate right now, and I very strongly believe that he would still be so if it weren't for that case.
What on earth are you trying to imply here? Egix is a suicidal goon and that's why he can't make it to endgame?
So you're saying me as scum, early day 2, with several possible wagons to choose from, between sash, bob, you, even skitter, gained precognitive abilities, checked everyone's ISOS for their reads on Egix, knew somehow that no one would townread him, that Day 3/4 EVERYONE but him would be somehow cleared and put him in a prime position for a lynch, tried to get a early start on him, which best case scenario would put scum at a -1 for some town cred on me, (at worst, out me or god forbid, BOTH OF US) didn't give up the read - purposefully - , while then scumreading you and skitter, AND ALSO faked not realizing more people were null-reading him?
This isn't a stretch, this is full on contortionism here
About the bold: that's EXACTLY what I'm asking you lol
You're the one who believes that someone on his scumteam would rather throw him under the bus ASAP for whatever reason, not me
Feels like I've been here before.
