Newbie 1935 - Plagiarism Mafia GAME OVER

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Hello hi howdy all!!

I'm pretty stoked theres a whole newbie section to this she-bang. I was overwhelmed reading everything, haha

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I played mafia in college when i was an RA. And ive played on some other forums!

Just new to this specific forum, but it seems LEGIT. 10 full days for day 1? whew

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So this game is like aged whiskey is what you're saying?

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Hey, don't hate on PBR. Its.... cost effective!

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it isn't halloween. VOTE: Vote: Svetro

Also wanted to make sure I knew how to vote in the correct format LOL

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oh oops. You don't even have to type the word vote. Noted

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Don't disrespect Nick Miller like that

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Sash trying to distance from Bobby? noted, noted.

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Would anyone object if I claim town doctor and clear myself for the day?

Interesting wording. “Clear myself for the day” opposed to just overall clearing yourself.

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Busy weekend! I’m here!

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What specifically is more townie about Bobby recently?

VOTE: 84 displayed no defensiveness

So.... post 84 is your reason for thinking Bobby is town becaus he didn’t display defensiveness.. but all he was asked was who told him about this site and his previous mafia experience? LOL. Okay then, doesn’t make sense to me but sure!

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A lot of MJL’s reads are super interconnected with TTTT. Almost like “hey if I’m wrong then I was just following what TTTT thought!”

Very odd to me.

Gimmick is giving me the best town vibes

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Or you’re trying to pocket him. That’s correct slang right? XD

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I’m just saying. A lot of your reads MJL has some connection to what TTTT said or thought. So it would be easy for you to say “oops! I was wrong!” If that makes sense.

Basically I feel like you’re just agreeing and not offering up your own theories/thoughts. Scummy in my eyes but you’re not my main suspect.

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Saudade can you give us a reads list. You’ve been arguably the sketchiest but I think that might just be you

Do you have any reads?

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So you have TTTT in your “totally town” read. But also say he COULD be a scum team with Bobby.

Interesting

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Also could you or TTTT explain how my “entrance” is scummy?

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I agree Gimmick. I don’t think Mary and TTTT are both scum.

Ask MJL, what certain style of entrance is scum? Did he discuss this in this specific game?

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Gimmick is giving me the best town vibes

what specifically?
who is 2nd towniest so far?

I’ve just felt like his posts have all been fairly productive opposed to shit posting or what have you.

I liked how he mentioned scum probably won’t buddy up D1. Which I agreed with. Meaning I doubt the scum team is MJL/You. Maybe one, not both.

My 2nd towniest I don’t have really. I could say Bobby or Sasha. But truly that’s going off of nothing. I don’t think we have a ton of content overall

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Also to note. MJL’s vote on TTTT is interesting. Gimmick mentioned as I just posted scum doesn’t buddy up usually d1. If MJL was scum and she knew TTTT wasn’t. Why lynch him. If he flips green that could make her look bad?

For this I might be leaning more town on MJL now.

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138 - Codis - Okay, so I really don't like this. If you were scum reading Bobby, questioning someone else's reasoning for town reading him would be totally reasonable. However, you haven't made any mention of scumreading him at this point, so this just comes across as trying to undermine a players town read without any understandable town motive.

I’m not following this thought process. Why does me not scum reading Bobby have anything to do with TTTT’s mention of Bobby.... like at all?

If someone is giving reasons for someone else being Town. And that reasoning seems weird to me. Then I’m absolutely going to point it out. My town notice here is pointing out how TTTTs post about Bobby “not being defensive” doesn’t make a lot of sense bc there was no reason for Bobby to even BE defensive.

To which TTTT has not followed up on. Sure I didn’t ask directly but I think ignoring certain comments like that are also worth noting.

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Town motive* not notice

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Voting a slot while its being replaced is a huge red flag for me as well. It shows you dont actually care about sorting the slot.

Ah, I was responding to a post by TTTT who was

asking

for a vote... Come on... I can't satisfy both people.

So I read over a few things and this kept coming back into my head. FF was saying this was scummy, and I didn’t think so. Since TTTT was asking for you to vote and such. But I kept thinking and then I do think FF makes sense here. A townie response to that TTTT post asking you to vote could have been “well Saude would be my vote but hes being replaced” however as FF kinda said, you voting for the slot makes it seem like you don’t particular care about sorting things out

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God and FFs entrances makes me feel like I’m slacking. I’m on mobile a lot so these long scum read posts with links to posts are intense but insanely helpful.

Both God and FF come off as Town, but I could be mistaking their intensity (or what I think is intense compared to what others have posted in this game so far) as Town.

I don’t particularity like how Sash took FFs evaluation of him. I wouldn’t say defensive... but... I’m not sure. Almost like stumbling over his words and nervous. Or I’m crazy.

I also don’t enjoy Bobby bringing up being new fairly often. This is my first game too. And this is all a LOT to sort through (what the heck is NAI again? And ISO tool?) but him trying to use the fact that he’s new to skate by on some scummy moments makes me lean less Town on him.

God: you Town read Sash. And now FF has a long post about him being scum. What’re your thoughts on it and has it changed your town read on Sash.

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oh, sorry. I thought when someone got replaced the votes for them would go away

UNVOTE: God

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God: you Town read Sash. And now FF has a long post about him being scum. What’re your thoughts on it and has it changed your town read on Sash.

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TTTT, what are your thoughts on the newcomers FF and Godmind.

And specifically how do you think FFs thoughts on Sash are?

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I like Sash for town
Bobby on the other hand is a fine lynch

VOTE: Bobby

Codis looks a little better lately
but I think he's still my preferred lynch

I like Sash for town
Bobby on the other hand is a fine lynch

VOTE: Bobby

What changed in those 15 minutes?

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ISO is... his isolated posts. Right?

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are you asking me what I think of FF's thoughts on Sash
or
what I think about his statements re: Sash

Whats the difference between these two? I cant really make a distinction myself, so Im wondering how they differ to you.

TTTT are you just avoiding this?

As you’ve said a few times. “Tell me more about sash being Town” as well “tell me more about Bobby being scum”

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TTTT are you just avoiding this?

I worded that poorly
do you want my views on Sash or my views on FF's Sash read?

Such an odd question. I feel like they’d sort of go hand in hand? If you believed sash to be Town, then what aspects of FFs reads do you believe to be wrong?

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Whew. This is fun! Welcome Clarity!

At the very least I like that FF's very intense case is being questioned. I think that might mean a few things.... but i'm a bit unsure of exactly what. Does this mean that Town FF is spearing in on a case against Sash and scum kind of latched on and voted alongside for a mislynch (MJL/Bobby)

Or maybe Clarity is noticing things the rest of us arent in Scum FF. hm.

I don't really like that FF asked to hammer Sash though

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I honestly can't see any of this coming from newbscum.

Saying this after quoting 9 posts means nothing to me, especially when some of the posts used are the same ones I used in my scum case. What about them lead you to believe that only town makes those posts? Break it down into specifics.

I did break it down. I took individual posts from Bobby and elaborated on several of them.

It's hard for me to articulate what precisely I feel is towny about his posts but I feel it's mostly the questioning that feels natural from him. He's asking the kind of questions a newbie would ask, follows up on them, uses the answers to help his play later.

His conversation with Godmid, too, feels solid. Like I doubt he'd thank Godmid for interrogating him in 318. Scum don't like being questioned, especially newbscum, especially newbscum under pressure and possibly in danger of being wagoned.

To be fair i think this is exactly what my issue with Bobby is, I think I said before but this is also my first game here, and I would be doing exactly that as a ScumNewb. I'd be acting a lot more dumb and trying to point out as much as I could that I was newer and might not grasp what is going on. Like that would 100% be my strategy if i rolled scum here. I think FF hit the nail on the head that i feel like Bobby isnt doing much with it, he isnt going deeper. Not sure if that makes sense

I understand his questions and such might look genuine, and realistically they might be. But I think using that as a reason to town read him isn't the smartest.

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Hello hi

howdy all

!!

I'm pretty stoked theres a whole newbie section to this she-bang. I was overwhelmed reading everything, haha

Not that you guys would really know. But I pretty much always enter any game with 'hello howdy hi!!!' lol. Its my THING.

Interesting though, the 40% rule

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I just iso'd MJLs posts (is that the right phrasing?) and ngl... its so inconsistent. First she claims that im scummier than Bobby. Then later says that she 'wants' to scum read TTTT but doesnt. Then I question her on how i feel she isnt contributing her own thoughts, and her rebuttal is that she came up with TTTT being scum and maybe being with Bobby bc he let slide Bobby's intro? meanwhile still having TTTT as one of her top town reads. Then later has me on her leaning town list, when earlier I was null-scum.

Clarity you've played with MJL before, and you too TTTT. Is this inconsistency fairly normal for her playstyle?

Also, every person that has come into this game shes said hi to. HELLO 40% rule, eh eh eh? (this is a joke.... mostly)

She was leaning town on Sash, then FF comes in with his case and she eventually votes Sash. This leads me to believe maybe that FF just has a bad/strong read on Sash, and its the perfect opportunity for Scum to kind of jump on? If anything i'd rather lynch Bobby over Sash atm. possible MJL/Bobby team?

Sort of just streaming my consciousness. Id love to hear more from MJL and more from TTTT to be honest. And ofc Gimmick but hes busy so idw harp too much on him

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Current reads:

Mostly town: FF, God, Gimmick

Leaning town: Clarity

Null: TTTT

Leaning Scum: MJL, Sash, Bobby

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that is not... ideal. At all I hope your night gets better

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MJL. Not to be rude. But why do I feel like all you do is agree with someone and not really produce your own sort of thoughts.

Also side note. Is it bad to kind of think sash is scum because he disappeared? Like I was sort of 50/50 ish. Or maybe 60/40. But after being scorched by FF. His disappearance feels like caught scum just giving up.is that a fair thing to think. Or?

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Hi Claority!

Can you answer my question about MJL being inconsistent in last games. Or maybe I’m reading her inconsistency wrong

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Well this just got a whole lot more interesting

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Any more thoughts Miss Sky?

You’re last quote from you reading up was that 227 post. There sure was a lot that happened after that

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Well this just got a whole lot more interesting

scummy post

Tell me more

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I feel like Godmind has gotten less towny since his arrival.

I’m good with a Bobby lynch. I’ve been saying his vocalizing of being new didn’t sit with me. And how FFs case against a Sash wasn’t largely debated (until CC came in) and that could have been scum just letting FF doing their mislynch work.

I’m willing to hammer, but I’m suppose to state my intent to hammer? Or we need Bobby to claim?

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Godmind

Oh wow yikes. Literally been thinking it’s Godmind this whole time. I can read I promise

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Can we still post and talk after hammering?

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Can we still post and talk after hammering?

Yes.

Bobby, you can also still post until Jingle locks the thread. You can leave a will of sorts if you're town — tell us whom you suspect, any last thoughts, etc.

Oh gotcha!

Any last words Bobby?

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Hmmm

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Don’t ruin the fun Jingle

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I did have a thought of CC coming in hard protecting Bobby/Sash slot so if/when they flip Green she can gain town cred?

Originally I liked her coming to question FFs case, but her saying “sorry Bobby I tried” gave off a vine that she KNEW he was town? Hm idk. Just putting that thought out there

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Oh damn. Y’all are really doing the damn thing

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id be down for a CFD on CC based on that post and their progression on my slot

CFD?

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Oh damn. Y’all are really doing the damn thing

TTTT's fake hammer thing? He does it *all the time.* It's like his signature move.

Oh no no. I caught on to that. Which was why I asked if we could post after hammer. To keep it going.

Piling onto CC is what I meant by doing the damn thing

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VOTE: Clarity

That’s L-1 I believe.

That “sorry I tried to save you” comment is really what’s pinging me

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I'd rather not until someone declares intent. We already forced one claim today.

How do you think you are going to avoid rope today? Give me the path you see out of this and I will show you a few where I make it happen.

I'm trying to point out the absurdity of wagoning me over falling for a gambit, which still doesn't implicate me in any way. The fact that multiple people sheeped off this flimsy reasoning makes me wonder.

I had a different reasoning to be fair

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UNVOTE:

This is so wild.

I guess I’m wondering why Clarity stopped TR’ing Sky with the Cop claim if like... it was possible for them both to be telling the truth?

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Remember scum is going to know what the make up of their team is, which gives them a big leg up on knowing what town prs are out there. Like is they are both goons we might be in the game with only 1 pr, and that is a cop. They would know doc isnt in the game and no one would counterclaim it, because we cant.

This is.... a really good point. Is that why CC was stalling? Trying to figure out how to claim and have it make the most sense?

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Okay so. If Sky IS cop. Is TTTT trying to lynch her. Then his Scum Team can RB Clarity. Kill someone else. Then Clarity looks super sus next day?

I don’t see why lynching Sky is good here

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Okay so. If Sky IS cop. Is TTTT trying to lynch her. Then his Scum Team can RB Clarity. Kill someone else. Then Clarity looks super sus next day?

I don’t see why lynching Sky is good here

Fuck, i didnt even think it all the way through, now it seems even more obvious why TTTT is trying to kill the cop.

This is depended on if CC is telling the truth but still.

This very well could be the two goons set up and CC is scum. Idk

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Bottom line is, if we have outed our 2 prs, we need to force scum to kill them and not do it ourselves. If someone is lying we'll figure it out eventually.

Yes. I agree. Reading though the mess I was thinking lynching CC could be good to like immediately make whkse lying. But at the end of the day that doesn’t make sense. Just like lynching Sky doesn’t.

If they’re both being truthful risking a TPR being lynched isn’t cute. We’d lose them both otherwise. I’d happily lynch TTTT. But ngl I’m super open to lynching MJL too.

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Okay so. If Sky IS cop. Is TTTT trying to lynch her. Then his Scum Team can RB Clarity. Kill someone else. Then Clarity looks super sus next day?

your hypothetical doesn't work that way
without a counterclaim nobody ever lynches a claimed doc after a cop flip

Why not.

When the reality is the Two-Goon set up could absolutely be what is happening here

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Okay so. If Sky IS cop. Is TTTT trying to lynch her. Then his Scum Team can RB Clarity. Kill someone else. Then Clarity looks super sus next day?

your hypothetical doesn't work that way
without a counterclaim nobody ever lynches a claimed doc after a cop flip

Why not.

When the reality is the Two-Goon set up could absolutely be what is happening here

you are correct
Goon-Goon could fakeclaim doc here
do you think scum!CC fakeclaims doc and then her partner hard pushes a lynch on the claimed cop?
that's the only way this is Goon-Goon, right?
why not just lynch some other townie and then NK the cop?

You’re deflecting. My original hypothetical doesn’t have CC as scum. It has her as telling the truth. You then came in saying my hypothetical didn’t make sense bc “Nobody lynches a claimed doc after a cop flips” to which I offered an argument against.

If CC is scum. Then yes I don’t think it makes much sense for you, her scummate, to hard push the cop claim. But again that wasn’t really what I was offering up as a hypothetical to begin with.

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I’d rather have one of Sky/CC alive for D2 as a possible confirmed town. Then both dead by D2.

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VOTE: Mary

This is good for now until FF or TTTT sways me.

If he was saying you were the one lying and we should see you swing would I have to sway you?

Probably not. I did disbelieve Sky’s claim earlier — though I’m more open to the claim being true now. TTTT might be purposely mindmelding with me as a buddying, or he feels, like I did, that Sky is a preferable lynch. Not sure which yet, sorta leaning towards the former. The biggest thing that gives me pause was that he didn’t declare intent to hammer and thus force my claim when it wouldn’t have cost him anything to do so as scum.

No. But what he did is say enough for you to feel like he was going to. No? Isn’t that why you claimed?

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The only reason TTTT is doing what he’s doing. Is if he’s a TPR that goes against Sky’s claim.

Which as this point. If this is true. It’s a bit obvious. Which is also why I havnt voted him. From what others have said he’s not a bad player. So I’m trying to figure out why he wants to hang up the Cop claim when that’s such an iffy thing to do

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The only reason TTTT is doing what he’s doing. Is if he’s a TPR that goes against Sky’s claim.

Which as this point. If this is true. It’s a bit obvious. Which is also why I havnt voted him. From what others have said he’s not a bad player. So I’m trying to figure out why he wants to hang up the Cop claim when that’s such an iffy thing to do

this is a good post
a couple points/questions
1. what do you make of FF (an experienced player) not at all considering the possibility that I am a PR (I wasn't going to bring this up yet but since you did...)
2. it's not that iffy
3. I'm not a bad player

1. I didn’t consider this. I’ve honestly been more focused on him somehow neglecting the RB thing. Up to this point I’ve realy felt like he’s trying to scum hunt hard. Which I’ve been appreciating. Especially considering people like God and MJL are... where?? Let’s remember MJL promised to be active today. But I havnt seen it.

It is interesting he isn’t considering you could be a TPR. But he sort of seems like a guy who takes things at face value? Strong headed? Or maybe I’m reaching for excuses bc I think he’s town. If anything I’d also be wondering why ppl like God and Sky jumped to vote you also without that thought. (Well in this scenario Sky would be scum so more so God)

2. I feel we’ve beat a dead horse on it being iffy. From YOUR perspective maybe not. But again, if they’re both telling the truth then what happens. Doc dies Cop is blocked? If that happens Sky is cleared of sorts. I’d rather have someone cleared tomorrow and narrow down suspects then a dead cop and doc? (Again this would be a scenarios where you are not a TPR)

3. Bit if a double edged sword for you. This also means your a good scum player

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TTTT I’m truly trying to understand the logic. Can you, with the hypothetical that you are not a TPR, explain to me why lynching Sky would be a beneficial move for us townies.

I apologize if you’ve explained this. Or feel like you have already explained it. I’m just trying to see the benefit and I’m just

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NGL. I feel like FF is unraveling a bit. I’m uncertain if that makes him scummy to me. But I’m finding it entertaining at keast xD

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I think sky is telling the truth 100% of the time here. CC is truthful 50% of the time. You didnt come into the equation because why the fuck would i think there are 3 prs?

I pushed to lynch a claimed cop after a doc claim
and you didn't even consider that I could be a PR that knew a cop claim was impossible?
you immediately tried to lynch me because the only possible explanation was that I was scum
I'm not sure I'm buying it

Let’s not forget that God did the same thing.

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NGL. I feel like FF is unraveling a bit. I’m uncertain if that makes him scummy to me. But I’m finding it entertaining at keast xD

How am i unraveling? I am trying to outline my thoughts in the most clear way possible. Please by all means quote where you feel like im speaking in error or saying something factually incorrect.

Making baseless statements about my mental state wont get you too far. I dont like that.

No disrespect. I didn’t mean to knock on your mental state. I simply meant your being a little wild. Especially the interaction with MJL. I agree with mostly everything your saying so that’s not what I meant either.

You’re just passionate and fun. We play these to have fun right haha. I enjoy your presence.

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Okay TTTT. I suppose I’m following. If you’re actually Town. I like what you’re doing here. We love a mystery.

The whole basis is if CC is to be believed though. So Sky being the lynch is a bit weak. I just looked and if CC is to be believed though. SOMEone is another TPR. Correct? So I guess this just causes the confusion from you which... well. I already said.

Not sure where to go from here. At this point I do want to believe them both. So I’d rather not lynch either and risk both town PRs kicking the bucket.

Interested in MJLs thoughts once she catches up

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@MJL. Yes yes. I’m loving this group. Even tho I think you’re more likely to be scum than TTTT

Also @Gimmick if you read this I hope real life gets a bit better for you

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I think I want to lynch MJL, Godmid or Bobby

Bobby conveniently disappeared after the votes swung off him. He did say he was working but still

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To be fair God. My comment there wasn’t JUST about today. I believe I made a posy at some point before about how I felt you cameo to this game with FIRE. And you’ve been sizzling out ever since, which is interesting.

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38 pages. For day one LOL.

I assume this is abnormal?

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@FF Mumford and Sons or bust

@clarity AGREED. I love it. I took a peek at some past games and it looks like some games have ended with less pages of discussion than we currently have in just day one Hahahaha. Suppose I’m being spoiled here for my first game ever

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Oh and TTTT and CC are scum. For D2 survivors.

Mary was this a joke post at the time, or did you actually consider both TTTT and CC were scum?

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Oh and TTTT and CC are scum. For D2 survivors.

Mary was this a joke post at the time, or did you actually consider both TTTT and CC were scum?

Definitely not a joke. I was serious at the time. I see a stronger scum case for CC than I do TTTT, but at the time, I thought TTTT pushed a lynch in a *very* unTTTT-like fashion. I thought we were actually in twilight --I was on mobile okay?

Knowing now it was just a TTTTest, I must retract my scumread on him.

Well it’s just interesting that you were claiming 2 people as scum thinking Bobby had been hammered. Why did you still think there could be two scum? Bobby could have flipped red meaning we’d have 1 scum left.

Is this bc you KNOW Bobby is green.... bc you’re red?

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Idk Mary. I can’t tell if I’m just being extra nit picky or not, but that feels like a bit of a slip.

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Wait a minute. If I was scum, why would I have bothered saying anything at all?

Well. To be fair. I feel like you’ve barely said anything. You constantly just agree from my POV. Constantly say you’ll post more the next day. Say you “need time” to get your thoughts in order and then don’t follow through.

It’s true if you were scum that not saying anything there in fake-twilight makes sense. But still. I can’t help but feel that you said that bc you know Bobby would flip Green or something.

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Shout out to Jingle for dealing with our crazy active asses xD

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That’s a +1 for you? Meaning you TR Mary for that post?

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Hello sky. How are you feeling about the exciting last 24 ish hours

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How are you feeling about MJL

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@MJL, Bobby. WHo do you want to lynch.

@TTTT and FF. Still okay with your votes on Bobby?

@Clarity. Feeling good on your MJL vote?

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is deadline frozen bc we're waiting for someone to replace Gimmick?

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Yeah! Newbies love playing in a room full of highly experienced players who can clean the floor with their faces.

Cmon now. We've been holding our own!

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Also, no need to apologize jingle!

Not like I have any idea where i want to place my vote anyway atm lmfao

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Also, no need to apologize jingle!

Not like I have any idea where i want to place my vote anyway atm lmfao

May I interest you in a tempting vote for Codis? I mean that guy has been sliding under the radar all D1.

Idk Mary, he seems pretty town ish to me!! Not sure if his reads are good, but at the very least hes doing his best, which is all we can ask for, right

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Bobby give us a reads list

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So, i've done yet another read through and I think ive found something.

Sky claims cop, and there were a few posts from CC that have her doubting the cop claim right. but WHY doubt it. If you are a doc, why would you slightly doubt it? If you know that is for sure a possibly set up there would be no reason at all to doubt it. I think she doubts it bc the set up is goon-goon and she wasn't ready to fake claim later. If we take a look at the time of events, TTTT does the fake hammer stuff and 'drives home' between 619 and 706

During the time he's gone a quick wagon forms on CC. She gets fairly flustered and refuses to claim. Once TTTT comes back and posts that 706 post, and very shortly after CC claims. Immediately after she claims you can see that CC and TTTT both sort of try to undermine the Cop claim, saying 'its basically a VT now' and things like that. Re-reading it seems like CC was waiting for TTTT to get back online for them to discuss what to do. CC's initial reactions to Sky's cop claim don't make much sense if she is really a Doc. TTTTs reactions to CC claiming also doesn't make a lot of sense, in wanting to lynch the cop and then making sure to say later that if a cop flips, 'nobody lynches the un cc'd doc claim'

It all just seems super sketchy and the ONLY reason or thing thats holding me back from going balls deep in this theory being 100% accurate is that I dont know if TTTT would connect himself to scum buddy CC so quickly and easily?

but.... with a Cop claim out there. And both of them being goons, maybe they felt this was their only play?

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@Clarity. I’m sorry for frustrating you. Before that post my gut was telling me MJL was for sure scum and her partner Bobby.

But rereading with that timing of TTTT leaving and coming back and you not claiming them claiming just seemed weird. You keep bringing up “I thought I caught something someone said to counter Skys claim” from my perspective this seems like a reallll easy thing to say to cover yourself is all. Why don’t you point out exactly what you think you caught? (And you’re answer would be “well I don’t want to out them if I’m right” which is fair. But can you see how that doesn’t look good? And how it’s an easy excuse for you?”)

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You guys do what you want. I won't get sore about getting lynched today.

If I get lynched, take my reads list with a grain of salt.

I’m always torn when people do this. Is it a guilt tactic? I find when I’m Town I try really hard to solve. No matter what. Not just give up.

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In fact, I can't think of any time where claimed VT has been allowed to live. Why did we rush past that and pull the lynch wagon from Bobby?

I mean. You yourself was a part of the group that very quickly voted CC after the Bobby wagon.

If you look at my long post, TTTT was “driving home” and not around when the wagon switched. When he came back he joked about hammering CC and she claimed.

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@Godmid
now isn't the time
but I'd be glad to discuss in post-game how me being cagey about whether or not I'm a PR was pro-town

Why isn’t now a good time?

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It all just seems super sketchy and the ONLY reason or thing thats holding me back from going balls deep in this theory being 100% accurate is that I dont know if TTTT would connect himself to scum buddy CC so quickly and easily?

think about this some more
not only did I "connect myself" to CC
I also pushed for lynching the claimed cop
if it's TTT-CC why wouldn't scum!TTTT "believe" both claims, take an easy lynch somewhere else, and then kill the cop N1?

WIFOM? Idk

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Sigh. I’m so conflicted

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Yeah. I was gonna ask TTTT how he felt about Bobby’s reaction to the Fake-Bobby-Hammer event

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Ugh great. More confusion LOL.

Well at least we for sure know 1 of Sky/RAS is scum. Better odds than I had yesterday

Is it possible that RAS cane in to fake claim and CC the cop. Maybe because we were on our way to lynching the scum RBer in MJL/TTTT. So RAS is trying to stop that?

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You’re too sweet Clarity <3

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Is it possible that RAS cane in to fake claim and CC the cop. Maybe because we were on our way to lynching the scum RBer in MJL/TTTT. So RAS is trying to stop that?

MJL & TTTT were in no pressure vote-wise, so I've got no reason to try and stop that. Besides, I can accomplish that without counter-claiming.

Again, there are no benefits to me CC'ing here as scum since it completely narrows down my options when I could've done anything else / waited.

TTTT/MJL were the two lynch options what are you talking about

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RAS. Yes or no. If we are in a Cop-Doc-RB set up. If town lynches the scum RBer today. Town nearly has the game in lock?

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RAS, I’m going to need more than this to believe your claim wasn’t optimal to fake from a scum perspective. Your only evidence so far is that “you as a player” would never do such a thing, but it’s my belief that meta-tells are less reliable than the stability of a high school relationship. You won’t tell FF why it’s suboptimal — mind entertaining me instead?

Sure.

If I'm scum here, I don't need to counter-claim since there was no pressure on my slot whatsoever at the time of my replacement. From that point of view, there would be two outed PR's (Sky!Cop & CC!Doc), meaning I could've just played the day out without ever needing to put much attention on myself. This is because I could've easily just role blocked one while killing the other, leaving my slot without any pressure or attention.

Counter-claiming as scum here only creates unnecessary pressure and attention. I don't need to counter-claim to get the cop killed considering I could just role-block the doc and then night-kill the cop. This notion of claiming to get the cop killed is silly since I narrow down my options to a 50/50 when I could just kill the cop at night.

There's more to it, but I feel like I'd just be repeating myself here.

This hypothetical scenario assumes that we as Town would mislynch a Town. You keep saying “I have no reason to cc as scum” and the answer is. If you’re scum partner RBer is about to die, then yes you have every reason to fake claim cop here.

Sky fake claiming cop randomly wound he SO tricky. So she just got lucky as fuck that our set up actually has a cop? A bit of a risk. No?

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Thanks for reminding me why I don't play newbie games.

You’re the one who chose to join. No reason to be a jerk

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Bobby and Sky scum duo? Interesting

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you can make the supoptimal argument all you want but cop-RAS would probably let the doc (if real) eat the nightkill and try to catch scum-me's partner rather than create a 1v1 here

This. SO much this. If RAS was legit the cop. Why not keep quiet? You could be alive the next day WITH a cop scan?

I guess if you claimed the next day that could be sketchy... but still? Idk.

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RAS. You’re coming off like “y’all are newbs and too stupid to get it”

Help us understand. You claim that TTTT/MJL weren’t getting pressure. But easily they were. Maybe they weren’t at L-1 whatever. But I personally wasn’t voting to wait for the rep in. I was 100% voting either of those two. Leaning on MJL. So you claiming they didn’t have pressure is just wrong honestly. Or from my perspective it’s wrong

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All of my logic comes from the bottom of my bottle of whiskey. Not outer space. I’m offended.

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Alright, you guys can keep painting me as the bad guy based on nothing more than a misunderstanding.

You guys will believe whatever you want to believe, and I don't think there's anything I can say to convince any of you otherwise.

No offense but you’re painting yourself as the bad guy stomping in here claiming we’re all dumb. When the truth is this game requires to look and question everything.

Now. Let’s start over. You think sky is scum obv. What makes you so sure Bobby is her partner?

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All of my logic comes from the bottom of my bottle of whiskey. Not outer space. I’m offended.

I really do like you, Codis. If you rolled scum this game and founded our new friendship on lies and deceit, I will totally get over it.

I am very much enjoying you as well!! I tried to look at your last games Bc I was SRing you a bit. And you don’t have t worry about me. I pinkie promise I’m Town (and I mean it!) xD

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Sorry I’m at work.

I’m down for a RAS lynch. But I would like TTTTs thoughts. And ideally god and bobby’s Before I hammer. (The RAS a lot is L-1 right?)

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LOL. I promise I won’t take 2 days. But I figure the more people talk/give thoughts the better.

Is there any benefit to hammering before people who were not here to see this get to comment on it

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Ah okay FF. I guess that makes sense.

Also @RAS if you read this I’m sorry you felt like you were attacked or pinned as a bad guy. Was just trying to sort through things.

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Is there any benefit for waiting for someone to rep in and see what they have to say?

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I should just hammer then?

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Alrighty. Sorry again RAS. I’m sure you’re a swell dude. Maybe see you again!

VOTE: RAS slot

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I. AM. FRUSTRATED.

1- I’ve been day drinking for a few hours. So watch out fam.
2- RIP Clarity. You’re a gem
3- Fuck You sky
4- WHY CLAIM COP IF YOURE A TRACKER?!?!?!?!?!

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Sky you’re an idiot for killing Clarity tho. Keeping her alive has us all question what set up we were in. So good on you for being dumb <3

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I’m
So sorry tttt. King town man

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I was worried I was gonna die at night. And not be able to vent my frustrations from the 2 day marination I’ve had

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Good catch on that VC pic, Jingle. I saw that reused frog you tried slipping us.

He does have Bobby as the hammer vote and not me though. Oops

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TTTT I need your thoughts in whatcwe the fuck RAS did. Was he just fucking over town for funsies?

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He does have Bobby as the hammer vote and not me though. Oops

This is correct. Bobby voted in post 1289. You voted in twilight, post 1292, and thus your vote was not counted.

Oh yikes. My apologies. I didn’t see that at all

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TTTT I need your thoughts in whatcwe the fuck RAS did. Was he just fucking over town for funsies?

my guess is he was making a PR claim that scum knew was impossible to gauge their reactions

That’s so frustrating though. The whole basis of my logic for wanting to vote RAS was because he was protecting the scum RBer. Which isn’t even possible with the set up. I’m just so insanely annoyed.

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you guys turbolynched a claimed PR
there was no need for that
I was driving home and never even had a chance to engage with RAS or the claim

Indefinitely mentioned wanting to wait for you. And asked what the benefit was to waiting

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Fuck RAS tbh. I take back all my apologies. He was a prick.

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I still don’t get why he didn’t just shut up. We could have had a tracker result today

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I am very suspicious of everyone who pushed for the hammer. MJL, FF and Bobby.

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Fuck RAS tbh. I take back all my apologies. He was a prick.

That was a dick move to pull in a newbie game. Seriously. I got the distinctive impression that he joined just to fuck with Sky.

My thoughts as well. And after the flip I was so confused because. He was tracker... so he had NO idea if Sky or CC were lying.

Looking back tho. I realized that if CC was scum. Her doc claim made ZERO sense. Since scum knows the set up so claiming doc there was dumb af.

STILL THO. How can you storm into this game. Lie about your own PR. The mai. Argument against you deals with a scum rb. And you know that’s not even a possibility. MEGA SIGH

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I don’t see the benefit of lying as Town. Even if we lynched Sky. I would be so sketched at RAS for lying

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Good morning everyone.

Piece of advice. Don’t go to a Bottomless Mimosa Saturday. Drink your fill. Then have a shot of Jameson, 4 beers and a whiskey-coke. Doesn’t end well.

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@Codis
If you had to vote sky's partner right now
who would it be and why?

I need to go back and re read everything. But I came into this day thinking Bobby was the likely partner. We had discussed Bobby randomly knowing that his entrance was scummy. You mentioned votes tho. Which is true. Bobby jumped on sashs wagon at the end there. But at that point Sash was mia? Idk.

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Codis
he basically spent all the early game avoiding controversy
he said nothing about Sash as that wagon built up to L-1
then he said Sash was a SR but that he'd rather lynch MJL or Bobby (446 & 447)
and 468? yikes
he starts looking town after the Sash/Sky wagon collapses

I think it's more likely Godmid
just putting this out there if the game ends up in LyLo and all assumptions need to be questioned

Fair enough points. I kept harping on MJL because I felt she was consistently saying she was going to give us thoughts and never did. And then I felt like she never like... responded to me about my constant mention of her. She did say later I should check her past games, which I did. But tbh she seemed the same as both town and scum. (But I did slim quick I guess) I do feel much better about MJL now though

My question about Sash being scum Bc he disappeared was genuine. I suppose it’s nkt fair to assume something when people get replaced but it’s kind of weird. In my other forum game it’s this one guys #1 scum tell if he’s inactive Bc he hates being scum hahah.

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Good morning everyone.

Piece of advice. Don’t go to a Bottomless Mimosa Saturday. Drink your fill. Then have a shot of Jameson, 4 beers and a whiskey-coke. Doesn’t end well.

That much alcohol would

probably

definitely put me in the hospital.

I was eating along the way!!! XD the bar I was at has the BEST soft pretzels

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Okay. I mean more for God being Sky’s partner. Mainly because when the wagon on Bobby formed quick. Sky jumped on that real fast.

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Sash trying to distance from Bobby? noted, noted.

Honestly. If Bobby is the other scum. I can’t believe I sniped them so early

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Let’s make it so she can’t hammer herself > : )

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Side note. I really keep flipping back and forth between God and Bobby being the last scum

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Who do you wanna lynch Sky?

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Or maybe your scum buddy BOBBY!!!! Dun dun dun

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I’d love to play with this player list, if I can!

‘Twas a wonderful time.