open 759: house party (compleded)

[Yumeko Jabami]

because u weren't.

How did you know I wasn't? What made you think that?

[RedPanda]

Why aren't you lynched? Does that answer your question omg.

[Kirari Momobami]

I actually think it's a legitimate question. I kind of don't understand why people acknowledged that Yumeko was at 8 votes but never bothered to push people to unvote until after the heal was resolved. If people knew that the lynch didn't resolve until the heal resolved, why was no one bothering to ask people to unvote so we didn't lose the second seven days of cycle 1?

[Yumeko Jabami]

Why aren't you lynched? Does that answer your question omg.

The votecount wasn't posted until after you gave your reasoning. According to the votecount, I went from 5 to 8 votes. Why did you not think I was being lynched, and that we were in twilight, when it seemed like I had 8 votes on me, and the newest votecount wasn't posted yet?

[RedPanda]

From what i remember I think there were fake hammers and then IBL overreacted and then I read upon the mechanic and then there were unvotes.

[RedPanda]

Hey I can count votes too you know.

[Kirari Momobami]

I actually think it's a legitimate question. I kind of don't understand why people acknowledged that Yumeko was at 8 votes but never bothered to push people to unvote until after the heal was resolved. If people knew that the lynch didn't resolve until the heal resolved, why was no one bothering to ask people to unvote so we didn't lose the second seven days of cycle 1?

Kinda feel like this also goes for Mary tbh

[Yumeko Jabami]

So we went from "I'm not an idiot, of course I knew it wasn't a hammer" and the reason is because, after it looked like there were 8 votes on me, you went back and looked over the lynch mechanics again, for seemingly no reason, and I was supposed to intuit this somehow. And/or you counted votes (from what point? The start of the game? The last votecount?) and the fake hammers somehow confused you

[PenguinPower]

From what i remember I think there were fake hammers and then IBL overreacted and then I read upon the mechanic and then there were unvotes.

tbf it wasn't my intent to provide a fake hammer...it was a more immediate response to nancy saying the next vote was a scumclaim.

[RedPanda]

So we went from "I'm not an idiot, of course I knew it wasn't a hammer" and the reason is because, after it looked like there were 8 votes on me, you went back and looked over the lynch mechanics again, for seemingly no reason, and I was supposed to intuit this somehow. And/or you counted votes (from what point? The start of the game? The last votecount?) and the fake hammers somehow confused you

No. Can you just read exactly what I'm typing.

The fake hammers were before u were at 8. And That was when I counted the votes and then IBL overreacted and that was when i learned abt the mechanic.

and Also your entire premise that I was trying to justify my vote on you after is shot already.Why did you ignore that?

[Yumeko Jabami]

HEAL: PenguinPower, Skygazer, Raya36, Hell Knight

I can get behind this

-bae

Explain:
1. Why you thought healing nobody was something you could get behind at the time inspite of multiple voices against it
2. Why you feel this is a good set to heal (reads inside these 4)
3. Why you disagree that sending obvtown and winning in a coalition-style way (whether at once or over 2-3 days) is a bad idea and won't sheep us
4. Read on my slot and whether you can get behind me to sheep
5. Your strongest townreads and why
6. Why Yumeko. Is Yumeko at L-1?

Unvote. We need to utilise the 7 remaining days

-Joffrey

[Yumeko Jabami]

So we went from "I'm not an idiot, of course I knew it wasn't a hammer" and the reason is because, after it looked like there were 8 votes on me, you went back and looked over the lynch mechanics again, for seemingly no reason, and I was supposed to intuit this somehow. And/or you counted votes (from what point? The start of the game? The last votecount?) and the fake hammers somehow confused you

No. Can you just read exactly what I'm typing.

The fake hammers were before u were at 8. And That was when I counted the votes and then IBL overreacted and that was when i learned abt the mechanic.

and Also your entire premise that I was trying to justify my vote on you after is shot already.Why did you ignore that?

I'm not ignoring anything, we're discussing it right now, no? So the reason you thought I wasn't hammered is because you counted the votes after the votecount in post 450?

[RedPanda]

VOTE: yumeko

ahaha quickhammered get rekt

VOTE: Yumeko

it was after this.

[Fuscosco]

I kind of have a weak and vague sus on panda, so this is cool for me.

[RedPanda]

I'm not ignoring anything, we're discussing it right now, no? So the reason you thought I wasn't hammered is because you counted the votes after the votecount in post 450?

And you are ignoring it.

[Yumeko Jabami]

OK, that's fine then. Let's move on to your reasons for voting me...

And she's a vote over others because I feel her strategy to send 5 of the strongest town reads is like the worst of them all and she even acknowledges the same in that post that it's easier said than done.

I don't believe I've ever given a strategy to send 5 of the strongest town reads to the party, I believe I made it pretty clear that I was fine with whoever getting sent, as long as a small chunk of the player list got sent through. Certainly I argued against such a strategy.

[Yumeko Jabami]

If we know 5 town right now, we don't need the party mechanic to win anyway - that's a flawed argument. We don't need to win twice as hard, we need to not lose momentum twice as hard by both being wrong on the lynch and thereby being wrong on who is town in the party

Seriously though, if you can name 5 town right now, and everyone agrees, and they're all town.... we win without the party mechanic. Needless to say that's easier said than done

Here is what I posted, apparently you didn't look into my posts

too

hard, which is why it's weird to me that you seem to have settled on me being scum

[RedPanda]

Let me ask you a question first.

are you defending yourself or are you attacking me?

[Yumeko Jabami]

Neither, just because I ask you a question, does not mean I am attacking you, I'm simply trying to understand

[RedPanda]

But what happened to the I was trying to justify my vote premise? have you moved on to why I'm voting for you now?

[Kirari Momobami]

Panda, you sure seem to deflect questions with other questions a lot. Does whether Yumeko is defending herself or attacking you change your answers to her questions?

[Titus]

UNVOTE: Yumeko

I respect the call out from Yumeko. I didn't really have a reason for her slot in particular but just wanted to get the game going. It's not a lot town since she appears to SR all who voted her but she didn't panic.

[Yumeko Jabami]

Votecount 450 was edited due to a mistake - that mistake is highly implied to be that Kirari was voting me.

What votecount 450 used to show was 6 votes on me (probably, I never actually saw it)

Look again at this post:

HEAL: PenguinPower, Skygazer, Raya36, Hell Knight

I can get behind this

-bae

Explain:
1. Why you thought healing nobody was something you could get behind at the time inspite of multiple voices against it
2. Why you feel this is a good set to heal (reads inside these 4)
3. Why you disagree that sending obvtown and winning in a coalition-style way (whether at once or over 2-3 days) is a bad idea and won't sheep us
4. Read on my slot and whether you can get behind me to sheep
5. Your strongest townreads and why
6. Why Yumeko. Is Yumeko at L-1?

Unvote. We need to utilise the 7 remaining days

-Joffrey

First of all, Hellknight never acknowledged this post, but let's look past that for a moment - following Hellknight's vote, it appears that I am at

L-1

. They weren't overreacting, or mistaken. At this point, Skygazer and PenguinPower post fake hammer me.

As of your posting, you showed no signs of realizing that they were fake hammers, or anything about the lynch mechanics, that's why I was questioning you. I don't really like how the conversation played out, you seemed hesitant to give a firm answer, as if you were afraid of making a mistake.

[Yumeko Jabami]

Let's also acknowledge: Mary Saotome believed she was hammering me... while simultaneously her vote for the party was on "nobody"

[Titus]

Let's also acknowledge: Mary Saotome believed she was hammering me... while simultaneously her vote for the party was on "nobody"

Evidence for the first?

I assume her nobody vote was not a random mistake like mine was?