open 759: house party (compleded)

[RedPanda]

Panda, you sure seem to deflect questions with other questions a lot. Does whether Yumeko is defending herself or attacking you change your answers to her questions?

It doesn't change my answers. I'm trying to read her slot. I want to know if she thinks I'm scum or trying to figure out my reasoning for my vote.

[Titus]

Panda, you sure seem to deflect questions with other questions a lot. Does whether Yumeko is defending herself or attacking you change your answers to her questions?

It doesn't change my answers. I'm trying to read her slot. I want to know if she thinks I'm scum or trying to figure out my reasoning for my vote.

Why not both?

[RedPanda]

Let her answer that.

[Kirari Momobami]

I don't think it's heavily implied, I think it's near certain that all of the vote counts that were edited were due to the mod mislabeling my vote. I think there may have actually been one other mislabeled vote as well even? For some reason I thought I saw the vote count at 8 for Yumeko at one point which means two would have had to be removed.

[Kirari Momobami]

It doesn't change my answers.

I guess I just feel like you're stalling a lot in this exchange, and it also felt like you were stalling with me. I don't know that makes you scum, unless you're maybe a secret alt of the worst. But I think you said you were a main so I think you're town, I think you're just needlessly evasive.

Spoiler:

I also think you're right about fusco and that Joffrey fucked the town with that 4-man but that will probably end up being his problem.

[RedPanda]

It doesn't change my answers.

I guess I just feel like you're stalling a lot in this exchange, and it also felt like you were stalling with me. I don't know that makes you scum, unless you're maybe a secret alt of the worst. But I think you said you were a main so I think you're town, I think you're just needlessly evasive.

Spoiler:

I also think you're right about fusco and that Joffrey fucked the town with that 4-man but that will probably end up being his problem.

Yumeko is where most of us are voting for. Isn't it time to get engage and get reads? Why do I need to defend against her?

[Yumeko Jabami]

Let's also acknowledge: Mary Saotome believed she was hammering me... while simultaneously her vote for the party was on "nobody"

Evidence for the first?

I assume her nobody vote was not a random mistake like mine was?

Votecount showed me at 6 votes, Hellknight voted me, then Mary voted me, making that 8 votes

As to whether she truly believed that was a hammer, I guess we'll have to wait for her, but that's what it looks like

Panda, you sure seem to deflect questions with other questions a lot. Does whether Yumeko is defending herself or attacking you change your answers to her questions?

It doesn't change my answers. I'm trying to read her slot. I want to know if she thinks I'm scum or trying to figure out my reasoning for my vote.

I'm asking you to explain your actions. Your reasoning is wrong - it's not based off of something that I did, I'm pointing out that you didn't look very hard at my posting before deciding to vote me. The implication here is that you are scummy for doing so, is there another explanation? Do you not agree that the reasoning you gave is wrong?

Right now, I do think you're scum - I think the way you are reacting to pressure is shady, and it feels like you're trying to paint me as scum in this exchange for pushing on you - even though you alluded to scumreading me for not scumhunting earlier.

I don't really care that you voted me, what I do care about is that you cited reasons that never happened, ignored an influx of votes that were questionable at best and scum motivated at worst, try to sidetrack the conversation by trying to make it about me instead of about you.

But what happened to the I was trying to justify my vote premise? have you moved on to why I'm voting for you now?

You haven't 'blown the theory away' as you seem to suggest. You answered my questions - you say you saw the setup mechanics and the fake voters. I think the way you went about answering the questions was shady, regardless of if the theory is true or not. There's no gaurantee that you're not lying, I'm not sure what you want me to do.

[Yumeko Jabami]

Vote count 1a.6

party vote

PARTY MEMBERS (0):

Hell Knight, PenguinPower, Raya36, Skygazer (3):

Yumeko Jabami, PenguinPower, Hell Knight

duppin, Inbred Lannisters (2):

RedPanda, Inbred Lannisters

nobody (2):

Mary Saotome, Edgar Allan Foe

Hell Knight, Mary Saotome, PenguinPower, Skygazer, Titus, Uncle Bob, Yumeko Jabami (1):

Kirari Momobami

duppin, Edgar Allan Foe, Fuscosco (1):

Fuscosco

Uncle Bob (1):

Uncle Bob

PenguinPower (1):

Skygazer

Skygazer (1):

Raya36

not voting (2):

Titus, duppin

lynch

Yumeko Jabami (8):

Skygazer, Uncle Bob, PenguinPower, Titus, Kirari Momobami, Hell Knight, RedPanda, Mary Saotome

Hell Knight (3):

Yumeko Jabami, duppin, Inbred Lannisters

Titus (2):

Fuscosco, Edgar Allan Foe

not voting (1):

Raya36

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to choose a group. the group phase ends may 30th at 12:20 central US time; in (expired on 2019-05-30 12:20:00)

mod notes

• prodding uncle bob

[Kirari Momobami]

Yumeko is where most of us are voting for. Isn't it time to get engage and get reads? Why do I need to defend against her?

That's exactly why I'm wondering why you feel so defensive

[Kirari Momobami]

Oh Sky actually unvoted, so my vote label was the only mod mistake

[Yumeko Jabami]

mod notes

• corrected an error in old VCs, yumeko is not lynched

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This is why I said it was heavily implied, and yes vc 450 was edited after this

I guess I just feel like you're stalling a lot in this exchange

I agree with this sentiment, that's why I said it looked like he was being cautious about what he was saying, like he was afraid of messing up, instead of coming out and giving the reason right away

[RedPanda]

Yumeko is where most of us are voting for. Isn't it time to get engage and get reads? Why do I need to defend against her?

That's exactly why I'm wondering why you feel so defensive

huh? Do I come across as defensive? fmpov I'm only engaging her.

[Kirari Momobami]

"before I answer that let me ask you a different question" is defensive/evasive and classic stalling

I say that and I think you're town, but you do come off as pretty evasive today

[Fuscosco]

I feel cheated for not having gotten credit for wrangling myself into the party

[Fuscosco]

I convinced people who didnt locktown me to locktown me.

[Fuscosco]

You locktown me too now

[Fuscosco]

unvote

[RedPanda]

Yumeko I can admit to you that I misread what you posted.

As for Yumeko, Well in my games I always town hunt because I believe even though most townies also try to be careful about what they post sometimes they post something genuine and my gut is what decides that. And I count the number of genuine posts they make in the off chance that a scum manages to get one that pings me. None of Yumekos posts have given me a genuine vibe. And she's a vote over others because I feel her strategy to send 5 of the strongest town reads is like the worst of them all and she even acknowledges the same in that post that it's easier said than done.

Apart from that is there any fault in the way I scumhunt? Who else do you think I should vote for? And please mention someone other than hellknight.

[RedPanda]

"before I answer that let me ask you a different question" is defensive/evasive and classic stalling

I say that and I think you're town, but you do come off as pretty evasive today

I just want IBL to answer two things before I explain my reasoning for before.

[Yumeko Jabami]

Yumeko I can admit to you that I misread what you posted.

As for Yumeko, Well in my games I always town hunt because I believe even though most townies also try to be careful about what they post sometimes they post something genuine and my gut is what decides that. And I count the number of genuine posts they make in the off chance that a scum manages to get one that pings me. None of Yumekos posts have given me a genuine vibe. And she's a vote over others because I feel her strategy to send 5 of the strongest town reads is like the worst of them all and she even acknowledges the same in that post that it's easier said than done.

Apart from that is there any fault in the way I scumhunt? Who else do you think I should vote for? And please mention someone other than hellknight.

Skygazer, Mary Saotome

But really, Hellknight is the best vote today, the fact that I got run up to 8 votes while hell knight did nothing and nobody was interested in voting him should speak volumes, it's highly scum indicative, their posting is contradictory, they're not answering questions that come directly after their posting, etc. It's hard to think of an argument for keeping him around, and yet people seem reluctant to vote for them

Your method of scumhunting could indeed use work - when multiple people vote for no reason, before you've even given your reasons, it's time to rethink that wagon. There are people who voted me (Skygazer, Uncle Bob, Hellknight) who are "not scumhunting" yet for some reason that label gets applied to me and I'm a better lynch than any of them

[RedPanda]

Scumhunting is not exactly the reason I give people town reads for.

[RedPanda]

Whats your read on penguinpower and titus with regard to the just right before the heal mechanic locked in?

[RedPanda]

Whats your read on penguinpower and titus with regard to the just right before the heal mechanic locked in?

Whats your read on their actions right before the heal mechanic locked in?

[Fuscosco]

But really, Hellknight is the best vote today, the fact that I got run up to 8 votes while hell knight did nothing and nobody was interested in voting him should speak volumes, it's highly scum indicative

This is bad logic. Standing alone, its really weak.

[Kirari Momobami]

What's HK at right now?