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Post Post #1375 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:45 pm

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Sorry that was all drowned out by your tunnel on a mason.
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Post Post #1376 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:46 pm

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That was before I had to reconsider Skitter's case and yours because Blake was let off an easy hammer. So you know.
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Post Post #1377 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:47 pm

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So that hammer actually bothers me.
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Post Post #1378 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:47 pm

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I don't know if scum blake compromises herself like that.
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Post Post #1379 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:48 pm

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Trust me, let's just speedlynch this. You'll actually get nothing of substance, you'll have Blake coming and AtEing her ass off and saying everyone is useless, Saud is going to mock your ass, and LUV is not going to be there much, so there's actually no point in wasting a lot of time here.
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Post Post #1380 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:50 pm

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I'm a big fan of letting scum spew whatever before lynching them. More info is better than less.
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Post Post #1381 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:52 pm

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In post 1380, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm a big fan of letting scum spew whatever before lynching them. More info is better than less.
Last time that happen the scum got off the hammer, so you know, more info is not always best.
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Post Post #1382 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:54 pm

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I guess that's where we disagree. I'd at least like everyone to check in before L-1.
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Post Post #1383 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:06 pm

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If you want to hammer, go ahead. Afterwards, you are lynching LUV and TDC because that is the scumteam.

I do not believe for a second that town actually wins after my death, though. I don't understand how you all got to the conclusion that I have to be scum from this, but I fully expect that with Saudade and MJL in the game for free mislynches, town straight up do not win the game from this.

I have little more I can add right now, I'll go more into why I think that is the scumteam later on if I am still alive by then, but I would recommend giving me some room for that if you care at all, because it would be very easy for scum to hammer me here without consequence.
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Post Post #1384 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:07 pm

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I am townreading Saudade, by the way.
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Post Post #1385 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:21 pm

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I don't think anyone besides nom wants MJL lynched.
I'm okay with LUV lynch if you were to flip town.
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Post Post #1386 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:23 pm

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Interested in the Saudade town read, though.
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Post Post #1387 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:28 pm

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VOTE: TDC

I'm mostly leaving my vote here out of defiance.
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Post Post #1388 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:30 pm

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I was going to look at some of MJLs other game to check against what I know of her personality, but I'm not sure if I have the patience for that right now.
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Post Post #1389 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:38 pm

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If you were town, how do you expect anyone to follow your theory if you don't even bother to explain it?

You are either scum or not playing to win.
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Post Post #1390 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:40 pm

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I'm thinking 75% scum 25% hissy fit.
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Post Post #1391 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:44 pm

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nomnomnom is still blatantly town despite this push, I don't think it's within her scumrange to be able to stream of consciousness in this level of detail as scum.
cheeky is confirmed mason.
MJL I'm throwing in the town bin mainly because I somewhat remember her reads being a lot more flat and forced as scum (I helped mod starcraft mafia, so I was able to see things that nobody else has), although I admit she was well out of her element that game and need to double check this with other games first before writing off on it.
Saudade had a trajectory towards the end of day yesterday that I felt was townspewish, I got the impression that he would be playing a more consistent tight game as scum, and pushing so aggressively back against the push on him AND the lynch target for the day doesn't seem like a scum thought process for me.

That leaves LUV and TDC.

LUV is pretty easy if you look at how his reads evolve over day one; his trajectories are very jagged and not consistent from post to post, and also not consistent from how he's approaching the game and other slots. I'd need a lot more time to build an actual case on this since this type of read is heavily based on gut for me, but I found it pretty blatant when I did see it.

TDC is a strong partner choice for two reasons:

1. TDC, when you really look at his ISO, is the very definition of scum looking busy. He isn't legitimate sorting anybody this game, he's asking questions and yet not taking the answers anywhere. He's slipping into the blind spots because his content looks good enough on the surface to pass as a solving ISO, but there is no actual solving there.
2. TDCs first post contains two separate instances of incongruence. First, look at his LUV read and tell me that looks natural. Then look at his Blake and Skitter reads and tell me that his reasoning warrants a stronger scumread than that. Second, look at how he explains his reads in the first place. It's strange that a player that looks to ply with more of an oldschool approach plays like somebody from the hyperposter era when it comes to giving reads in just that one instance, which is also relevant because of how little raw sorting there is in his ISO.
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Post Post #1392 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:46 pm

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In post 1389, TDC wrote:If you were town, how do you expect anyone to follow your theory if you don't even bother to explain it?

You are either scum or not playing to win.
I'm sorry for having a job, but you're welcome for spending a lot of the time I use getting ready for said job to build a wall of text for exactly this reason because for whatever reason I'm being pressured with a quicklynch when the day has been open for something like 5 hours before I woke up?
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Post Post #1393 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:49 pm

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But I am very curious to hear your own reasoning for why I'm scum this game, TDC.
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Post Post #1394 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:51 pm

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I read your initial post as you may go into it later at an unspecified time. Not as you are doing it right now.
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Post Post #1395 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:53 pm

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I can't really get over how you dropped skitter. Hammer was terrible. You are grasping now to make a case on me.
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Post Post #1396 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:56 pm

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No denial, just a forced minicase.

Okay then.
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Post Post #1397 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:58 pm

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Your case is that my playstyle is somehow wrong or so. What's there to deny?
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Post Post #1398 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:01 pm

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Incorrect. The crux of my case is that you're not sorting, and that response still does not indicate that you are sorting. All it indicates is that you are caught up enough to know WHY I'm being pushed.
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Post Post #1399 (ISO) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:02 pm

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Let me amend, all it shows is that you know what the points are, not necessarily why they are points.

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