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Post Post #1950 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:54 am

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Yes.
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Post Post #1951 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:55 am

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Unless you are willing to consider the saudade follow up lynch. I think MJL will fall in line if Cheeky agrees.
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Post Post #1952 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:56 am

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In post 1948, nomnomnom wrote:Although I think Saud would have already caused a lynch on any of you then death tunneled on me on F5 so you know
Sorry, what is F5?
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Post Post #1953 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:00 am

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Final 5.
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Post Post #1954 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:04 am

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Vote the nomnem
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Post Post #1955 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:06 am

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Just noting something for posterity.

The only way somebody off my wagon is scum is if I am also scum.

That means Saudade, your nomnomnom scumread makes no sense because she has no reason to not find an excuse to hammer me here, especially with me being her apparent second place lynch.

Everybody's Saudade scumreads only make sense when I am considered the partner, because a scum!Saudade has no reason to throw out that strong a townread on town!Blake and maintain it like he has. Not keeping that as a possibility puts him at risk in the scenario that all three of these other wagons are hard vetoed. He also has no reason to push nomnomnom like he has as scum, she had zero pressure at the time and he boxed himself into that tunnel. Nonsensical.

This means that lynching me is solid proof that my lynch pool was correct overall, because the knowledge that I am town is enough to restrict the amount of suspects to exactly three: Lil Uzi Vert, TDC, and MaryJoLisa.

This is pretty basic stuff. Assume that scum are at all competent (and if you believe that I am scum, trust that I am a competent enough planner to have an idea for how to play the days at least and can relay that over the night phase) and you can trust this to be true.

1. Assume I am scum. I have managed to find the sweet spot of suspects to hold on to and have managed to hold everybody else at bay long enough to reach this point with only my PoE truly scumreading me while everybody else is sorting. I've put in a ton of effort to set up a TDC lynch instead of whoever of Saudade/LUV is not my partner, both of which are easier to achieve lynches. I've taken a very difficult road as a scum that has been under pressure for the entire game and after having just provided a town flip.

2. Assume I am town. I've had scum in my sights since I replaced into the game ((Skitter/LUV) +(Deltawave/Creature) Das my very first set of reads, remember), I've constantly pushed my reads since replacing into the game, constantly keeping people aware of my lynch pool despite the amount of pushback I keep getting to it. And then when we get to day two? I stick to my guns and go out of my way to defend people who aren't in my lynch pool. My lynch pool are all tunneled on my slot and aren't willing to hop off.

Honestly, which situation feels more likely?
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Post Post #1956 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:10 am

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Honestly I'm going to say it again, it doesn't matter what's the final result of this 1v1 is. This is just minmaxing our last mislynch here. If we get it right we can afford a mislynch tomorrow and that's great, so this is still kind of important, but yeah.
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Post Post #1957 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:13 am

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If TDC flips scum we can also reconsider MJL for the really scummy turn this day has had on her, so this is also really great.

The amount of associatives existing if TDC flips scums makes this an easy town victory on top of having me, town!blake and an IC in the townpool. Town cannot lose in that configuration which is why I've been pushing this so hard. If that's not the case then it's okay, lynch blake, move on to F3, the usual.
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Post Post #1958 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:14 am

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I don't win scumgames by doing outrageous shit that likely won't actually work.

I, as well as most scum players, will take the simplest route that they can commit to. I will avoid throwing myself out in the middle of the game because there is no need to. Town will inevitably cause violence among themselves if I don't cause a ruckus, I just need to look good enough to not be the target of that ruckus.

You don't need to be a genius to know that this style works. A cursory kook at my scumgames show a that this is how I play scum.

Does that match my mindset in this game? I can say that there is very good odds nomnomnom does the same thanks to catloaves. Is she doing this?
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Post Post #1959 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:14 am

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Did someone claim innocent child, or are we referring to cheeky as that because she's confirmed town?
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Post Post #1960 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:15 am

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The problem is that I'm not as convinced of TDC anymore, nom. I still find it more likely than not, but there are scenarios I can see where he is not.
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Post Post #1961 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:15 am

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In post 1959, MaryJoLisa wrote:Did someone claim innocent child, or are we referring to cheeky as that because she's confirmed town?
Latter, I just like using that term instead of "mason".
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Post Post #1962 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:17 am

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In post 1960, Blake Belladonna wrote:The problem is that I'm not as convinced of TDC anymore, nom. I still find it more likely than not, but there are scenarios I can see where he is not.
There are a lot of scenarios this game but again, as I detailed in I believe TDC must be the optimal lynch. Egopushes will lose us the game.
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Post Post #1963 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:17 am

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In post 1960, Blake Belladonna wrote:The problem is that I'm not as convinced of TDC anymore, nom. I still find it more likely than not, but there are scenarios I can see where he is not.
And there the wiggling starts now that her buddy is being lined up.
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Post Post #1964 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:18 am

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You've done nothing but wiggle all day, TDC.
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Post Post #1965 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:18 am

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Blake is trapped if you flip scum so you must die.
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Post Post #1966 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:18 am

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if you flip town

im tired
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Post Post #1967 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:19 am

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Just promise me you'll not let saudade get away, and I'll flip myself.
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Post Post #1968 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:20 am

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Don't you trust me in solving this game?

Go ahead and self-vote.
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Post Post #1969 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:20 am

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Not really, no. Not sure about MJL either.
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Post Post #1970 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:21 am

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Hard to trust anyone when you get a scum pm huh
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Post Post #1971 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:21 am

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UNVOTE: TDC
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Post Post #1972 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:21 am

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I can already feel it.
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Post Post #1973 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:22 am

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hoes be like hoes be like but they be the hoes that be like
Passion or coincidence once prompted you to say
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Post Post #1974 (ISO) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:22 am

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I mean if you were good in solving, we wouldn't have this discussion about me having to self hammer so you accept reality.

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