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What can they win today, John?

Why they can win this very game! What a fortune!

Crowd oohs

This is a game that's fun for the whole family! While even the kids at home can play too!

[Detective Pikachu]

Here's round 1!

Scenario: It's day 2 and there's no scum flips. One of these two exchanges is scum/scum theater, and the other is town pushing scum! Can

you

tell the difference?


Here's the first exchange on DAY 2 between Ausuka and u r a person 2!

Spoiler:

ooooh it is ausuka scum, huh

VOTE: ausuka

I dunno how i missed the over-explaining

but this would also make a shit ton of sense for how I'm interpreting this gamestate rn

ooooh it is ausuka scum, huh

VOTE: ausuka

I dunno how i missed the over-explaining

but this would also make a shit ton of sense for how I'm interpreting this gamestate rn

what do you mean by overexplaining?

Looking over the entire thread, Alchemist has mostly had short comments and questions here and there so I don’t feel a real solid towniness from him. The fact that he agreed with umlauts conclusions raises him up a few townie points for me because umlaut is a TR in my mind.

Why is this worthy of a townread?

This post in particular pings me the wrong way...it almost feels like she’s trying to distance herself from RCE.

What part of this makes you think I'm distancing myself from RCE? I'm expressing a townread from him.

And if she didn’t really know who else to vote for, why put a vote on Siv? Simply because they have not responded?

"This specifically just feels fake. Sure, what he mentions is certainly a possibility, but I don't see any evidence that this actually happened rather than Hitalt legitimately just forgetting about S_S's vote. The last sentence just feels slimy tbh.

He also says he's voting Hitalt because there's a number of red flags but for whatever reason doesn't specify what those red flags are."
You quoted this post; what happened? Do you think it's not reasoning for my Siv vote?

Ausuka seems to me like someone playing scum really well

Can you provide evidence for this. What exactly in my play makes me "scum playing really well" rather than town? You mentioned me distancing myself from RCE, sure, although I don't see how that happened at all; is there anything else at all or is this it?

Honestly, the post from hitalt makes a lot of sense to me reading back over the thread. When I first read hitalt’s posts as he was writing them, they came across as scummy but I believe him when he said that he didn’t see SS’s self vote and his posts generally seem towny

I selfvoted because i could, because it sparks discussion, and because, aside from conspicuously not voting at all, its my mo

Fine enough.

VOTE: ausuka - time to activate.

What about 59 makes Hitalt town? It seems very NAI to me. Why did you even scumread them in the first place?

This post from RCE really rubs me the wrong way...a lot of his posts don’t have much content and again, he goes from voting me to voting Siv, whom I feel is the other easy mark.....not feeling crazy town vibes from RCE

If he's done scumhunting (which he has) does it matter so much if a few of his posts don't have much content? I don't really understand.

I understand why Siv made this vote- he himself had said before that hitalt was pinging him with red flags, but reading over it again, it seems like he might be buddying up to me because hitalt’s posts aren’t particularly scummy when you look at the entire thread...

You say you understand why Siv made this vote but you also seem to be saying you don't understand why Siv made this vote. I don't really understand this at all.

The other thing that bothers me about Siv is that he’s doing “well enough” and by that I mean, trying to seem just towny enough to get by. Kind of a lesser version of what ausuka is doing

Can you elaborate on how I'm just trying to seem towny enough to get by?

Why do you think voting Siv is an "easy mark" -> an easy ML but also think he's scum?

Rn I think Baezu is scum because:
1) I think her early game was kinda trying to blend in more than anything without much desire to scumhunt.

S_S and Fuscosco are obviously not scum together. Likewise S_S and HitAlt.

Why'd you put a vote down before you had an answer to your question?

Weird question. Why wait? When should someone put a vote down?

I found that weird also...It’s RVS why does he need to wait to cast his vote for you?

UNVOTE: umlaut

Liking his posts

I’m happy considering SS, ausuka and especially umlaut towny for now

In other news, methinks hitalt is seeming pretty scummy

She echoes Umlaut's question, unvotes him and gives pretty plain reads on the rest of the players. Like there isn't much scumhunting intent behind these posts and they look more like "I'm trying to post stuff that looks normal" than "I'm trying to find and lynch scum."

2) 146 and 156 seem weird to me. Like she just kind of votes FL and then unvotes? I feel like she's just trying to hop on the wagon and then unvotes once she realizes it's a serious thing?

3) Her scumread on me imo makes no sense. I'm trying to distance myself from RCE in a post where I unvote him? I don't think she's reading my posts that carefully if she's asking why I'm voting Siv; I made that clear in the same post that I voted him in the first place. These are the only two real points I see; anything else is kinda vague. She says that I seem like someone playing scum really well - but apparently this is just a compliment and not a point at all, so I think this is it, other than that my playstyle is "too perfect" - which just seems nonsensical. What even is a perfect playstyle anyway?
My suggestion as to why she'd do this as scum instead, is that she's being wagoned up and needs something to change. Her partner(s) may be lurky or have given up already. So, seeing herself in a tough spot, she may attempt to push a player she sees as obviously town, and then say this as a defense:

If ausuka does end up getting lynched and she does happen to be town, I'm pretty much getting lynched Day 2. As scum, I would not feel comfortable going after someone whom everyone sees as "so town" - losing a scum day 2 would seriously cripple the scum team. If I were scum, I'd put my vote where the majority of votes are going so as not to draw attention to myself

I think this is a more likely thought process than any town thought process behind her push.

I’m gonna laugh so hard when they lynch your scummy slot slaxx

mmm

I see you've already made up your mind about me, and so everything I say you're using to support your theory, which is fine, but I would encourage you to take those lenses off and actually read the content of my bigger posts

This also doesn't seem like something you say to your top scumread.

4) She seems very postury at points. Specifically:

I’m gonna laugh so hard when they lynch your scummy slot slaxx

This honestly just screams fake to me.

Well, sounds like there’s a consensus. So why haven’t I been lynched yet? Make it happen, guys. I’m not going to vote myself. Wouldn’t everyone rather have actual concrete information with which to work tomorrow?

This isn't as fake as the quote above but I'm a little wary about how she seems to change to and from this mindset so quickly.

5) She says things like "I'm gonna laugh so hard when they lynch your scummy slot slaxx" and Slaxx is the more scumread of me and him I think. She even says at one point there should be a wagon on slaxx - why doesn't she ever try and make one happen?

6) Her mini-push on RCE is weird and doesn't feel like it comes from a town mindset. Like she says that he's likely to be scum because a lot of his posts don't have much content - I think this is a strange way to look at RCE rather than judging him by how much scumhunting he's done overall. She says this is subjective but like I don't really see how it is? Perhaps more importantly, she calls voting Siv an "easy mark" but she also has Siv as her second top scumread - surely she should be understanding where RCE is coming from on this rather than criticizing him for it? Like I don't get the attitude of calling a scumread an easy mislynch.

Can someone who townreads Baezu tell me why? If anyone explained it already I totally missed it but I don't think they have.

if you mean like, posting a lot about certain people and points - the spoiler above is me doing that as town in a different game.

Yeah that's what I meant.

I'm not going to do a meta dive to see if it's really the same, I'm just not.

But if you're not scum, help me out here because this game state feels like we're no where close to landing on a scum lynch

and i think that gives you scum equity all on its own

i'm literally voting someone who you said you would vote. i've explained why they're scum here. what more do you want?

how is it metadiving if I literally give you the posts in a spoiler. you don't even need to actually read it, just notice that I post big posts as town too.

i did read that, you're right that does look similar

And here's, just a page later, an exchange between Egix and Ausuka right after Detective Pikachu reps into the game!

Spoiler:

VOTE: Ausuka

Yeah I don't really like the way that she pushed on bob, 1191 specifically.

be more specific. what don't you like about it?

be more specific. what don't you like about it?

I find it a bit scummy that you described 948 as being stretchy and forced, rather than just calling it out as being a loaded question.

And I can easily envision (inexperiencedTown)!bob thinking that asking a specifically-phrased loaded question in an attempt to bait a scummy response, would be a valid strategy. (Not saying that I personally would recommend it, but still.)

[Detective Pikachu]

Round 2: It's day 5!

Here's Egix voting Exilon!

Well it's not me so...

VOTE: Exilon

Here's u r a person 2 voting Exilon!

VOTE: exilon

my pref

Can you decide which one is scum?

[Detective Pikachu]

Round 3: It's day 4.

One of these two is a bus! The other is town voting scum.

pika, bob, garmr still town

leaving

exilon, sky, egix

VOTE: sky
because her informed revelation is untrue.

Yup

VOTE: Skygazer

L-1

Can you decide which is which?

[Detective Pikachu]

Round 4: It's day 3!

One of these two is an s/s bus, the other is town pushing scum!

Can you decide?

Spoiler:

@garmr: yeah, weak hider didnt fit my understanding of what the setup would look like *at all* which is why the claim confused me - i was half-expecting a vigi, since it's a miller of sorts to me, but weak + detective is just ????

@exi:
A) i don't crumb usually, i forget to do so most of the time
B) why did u ask me this (and not, say, ausuka who apparently didnt crumb an inno)?

@exilon: what are you thinking of urap and gamma rn?

(Egix =/= Exi but ok)
a) That's okay, I don't usually crumb either
b) I was thinking that if you had a crumb to back up your claim then it would help.

So yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and

VOTE: Ausuka

For me, it doesn't make sense for her to barely mention the person she's supposed to have a VT check on.

If you want a line-by-line response i can do that, but not till i'm at a pc(much) later today

I think that you're basically using this argument with me as a way to stay engaged with the thread and to look busy - since this argument started this is basically what you've been posting about, and what your content is about.

But despite this, you're not actually doing anything about it - vote me if you think i'm scum, don't spend a week writing walls in my direction and dancing around the read.

(I believe there's scum in exilon/garmr byw)

Also a lot of the things you're calling me out on a personality thing; we have very different definitions of pushing (as i went over already with hrg iirc)

Kinda hard to interact with ausuka more when she hasn't really been posting. And of course i voted ausuka cuz i think she should be pushed, why would you say i voted hef 'not because she's scummy or should be pushed'? And yeah i at least partially switched off of you since it wasn't getting traction. Thjs is scummh because ....

I also don't think it's fair to attribute the stall in the game to me given that i'm easily one of the most active players ffs.

you've made no attempt to interact with me: you simply parked a vote on me. I don't need to be active for you to do that. You just need to post something in the thread and when I'm here I'll respond to it.
Also, you voted me on the 12th of may. I had posted that day, the day before, and the day before that. If you actually wanted to interact with me and sort me that way you could very easily have done so.

ok fair enough.
hi ausuka, i feel like you've been skating by this game for quite a while, and id ont' have a good sense of your read or for what you're thinking this game.
i think your stated scumreads lining up exactly with the people on your wagon is quite awful

where do you get that impression? i made a bob push recently, which sure was very likely wrong, but i definitely wouldn't call it skating by?

what i'm thinking for this game is
{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty

{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

this leaves {sasha, skitter, egix}; i was tr'ing sasha based on bob's push who i was scumreading more but that's clearly wrong so ? unless urap or exilon is scum, there is exactly 0 scum on the initial sasha wagon fmpov which is pretty damning for him. egix i didn't really townread him and i thought his push on me was weird (you posted three times since 1191 but now i'm gaining popularity you bring it up?) for you i've brought up a few points and for someone who isn't scumreading anyone and is pushing a nullread you seem to be really insistent on trying to lynch said nullread.

i mean i see why that looks bad. but i was townreading a lot of players who are not those three on my wagon and not you three, so you three were kind of suspect anyway, and for you and egix it was the way you pushed me that seemed suspect, so there's a reason for it.

That's not something you say about someone you know is a VT.
Yep, looks like we've got ourselves a faker.

If you want a line-by-line response i can do that, but not till i'm at a pc(much) later today

I think that you're basically using this argument with me as a way to stay engaged with the thread and to look busy - since this argument started this is basically what you've been posting about, and what your content is about.

But despite this, you're not actually doing anything about it - vote me if you think i'm scum, don't spend a week writing walls in my direction and dancing around the read.

(I believe there's scum in exilon/garmr byw)

Also a lot of the things you're calling me out on a personality thing; we have very different definitions of pushing (as i went over already with hrg iirc)

Kinda hard to interact with ausuka more when she hasn't really been posting. And of course i voted ausuka cuz i think she should be pushed, why would you say i voted hef 'not because she's scummy or should be pushed'? And yeah i at least partially switched off of you since it wasn't getting traction. Thjs is scummh because ....

I also don't think it's fair to attribute the stall in the game to me given that i'm easily one of the most active players ffs.

you've made no attempt to interact with me: you simply parked a vote on me. I don't need to be active for you to do that. You just need to post something in the thread and when I'm here I'll respond to it.
Also, you voted me on the 12th of may. I had posted that day, the day before, and the day before that. If you actually wanted to interact with me and sort me that way you could very easily have done so.

ok fair enough.
hi ausuka, i feel like you've been skating by this game for quite a while, and id ont' have a good sense of your read or for what you're thinking this game.
i think your stated scumreads lining up exactly with the people on your wagon is quite awful

where do you get that impression? i made a bob push recently, which sure was very likely wrong, but i definitely wouldn't call it skating by?

what i'm thinking for this game is
{aus, detective pika pika} obv
{garmr, bob} i don't really see why scum pulls off this fakeclaim here; garmr wasn't under that much pressure.
{urap, exilon} seem genuinely scumhunty

{gamma, inferno} feel kind of town and i don't have any points against either

this leaves {sasha, skitter, egix}; i was tr'ing sasha based on bob's push who i was scumreading more but that's clearly wrong so ? unless urap or exilon is scum, there is exactly 0 scum on the initial sasha wagon fmpov which is pretty damning for him. egix i didn't really townread him and i thought his push on me was weird (you posted three times since 1191 but now i'm gaining popularity you bring it up?) for you i've brought up a few points and for someone who isn't scumreading anyone and is pushing a nullread you seem to be really insistent on trying to lynch said nullread.

i mean i see why that looks bad. but i was townreading a lot of players who are not those three on my wagon and not you three, so you three were kind of suspect anyway, and for you and egix it was the way you pushed me that seemed suspect, so there's a reason for it.

That's not something you say about someone you know is a VT.
Yep, looks like we've got ourselves a faker.

If I listed gamma as a strong tr someone would have caught it and asked me why and I would've been unable to give a response.

Spoiler:

So given that the following people are town, and at this point I do think it's a given
Pikachu
Garmr
Bob

and given that Gamma can only be scum if Ausuka is
and given that at minimum one of skitter and ausuka is town

Possible scum are
Ausuka + Gamma
Ausuka OR Skitter
Egix
Exilon

Possibile teams are
Ausuka + Gamma + Egix
Ausuka + Gamma + Exilon

Ausuka + Egix + Exilon
Skitter + Egix + Exilon

Of those 4 teams, Egix, Ausuka, and Exilon are found in 3 of 4
Skitter is found in 1/4

Given Town!Ausuka comes into D4 with a check,
The best lynches are Egix and Exilon

There is no team that does not include at least one of the two, so there is no way that I can think of (I haven't looked at the normal roles list) for town to lose tomorrow by mislynching one and then lynching the other.

Further, if one of them is a mislynch, then it is confirmed that Ausuka AND Gamma are scum.
If neither is a mislynch, then we are at 5p, 4T, 1S and 2 unconfirmed in {Skitter, Ausuka}

Thus, fmpov we're in auto right now without the benefit of further checks. This feels unbalanced, but I have to believe that's because scum chose to never nk the IC, and also never hit a PR.

Now, from our IC, DP's pov

Possible scum are
Ausuka + Gamma
Ausuka OR Skitter
Egix
Exilon
URAP

Possible Teams
Possibile teams are
Ausuka + Gamma + Egix
Ausuka + Gamma + Exilon
Ausuka + Gamma + Urap

Ausuka + Egix + Exilon
Skitter + Egix + Exilon
Ausuka + Egix + Urap
Ausuka + Exilon + Urap
Skitter + Egix + Urap
Skitter + Exilon + Urap

Of the 9 possible teams,
Ausuka appears in 6, or 66.7%
Egix appears in 5, or 55.5%
Exilon appears in 5, or 55.5%
Urap appears in 5, or 55.5%
Skitter appears in 3, or 33.3%
Gamma appears in 3, or 33.3%

Gamma only appears in teams with Ausuka, making her a bad lynch today (because why not just ausuka instead? It hits scum on more teams.)
Flipping town on any of {Egix, Exilon, Urap}today ensures that one of {Exilon, Egix} and one of {Skitter, Ausuka} are the remaining scum. If ausuka is town, she can clear one of them tomorrow, confirming the entire scum team from her pov, and confirming one scum to the town player left in {Egix, Exilon, Urap}

Skitter is a bad lynch because of how little it cuts down the possible pool of teams if she flips town.

Ausuka is a bad lynch because ya'll don't get the benefit of her check if she flips town. On the other hand, in every world where ausuka is town, skitter is scum, so this would guarantee that 5p lylo is achieved.

So, fmpov egix and exilon are fine lynches (i prefer egix of the two)
and from ya'll pov it should probably be ausuka.

basically what I'm saying is that I guess I'll vote either egix or ausuka, and since I'm sure that ya'll will want ausuka over egix because of the above, I'll vote there

VOTE: ausuka

that's two votes on ausuka

and just to summarize again fmpov

If ausuka is town, the team is exactly
Skitter + Egix + Exilon

If ausuka flips scum, flipping {Egix, Exilon, Gamma} in any order wins the game 100%

I was kind of relying on skitter's setup spec, but is there a world where BOTH skitter and Ausuka are scum?

That would mean IC + Masons vs 3 scum of some variety. Would IC + Masons vs 3 goons be balanced? Seems like it might be?

That doesn't account for the possibility that you are lynched. I know that the pool contains four. Let me find the truth tonight and you can lynch me d4. If we lynch scum Egix today that's auto.

Det, garmr, bob and gamma replacement you four at least should listen, they can't get the lynch without you.

IC + Masons vs 3 goons would be somewhat similar to 10p mountainous with 3 goons without the drawback of playing days with even numbers, and with the added benefit of having a higher town:scum ratio (meaning harder for scum to derail lynches, and also giving town an extra 2 lynches)

Mountainous ev rates can be found here

It looks to me like adding an innocent child at higher slots (8:3, 9:2, etc) adds little to no expected value to town's winrate

adding 2 masons at lower slot numbers (7p, 5v2) increases town win rates significantly, but given how they are expecting the games to play out and by my own intuition, the value of masons to town ev should decrease as player count increases.

So I think that means it's not balanced at ic + masons vs goons

That doesn't account for the possibility that you are lynched. I know that the pool contains four. Let me find the truth tonight and you can lynch me d4. If we lynch scum Egix today that's auto.

Det, garmr, bob and gamma replacement you four at least should listen, they can't get the lynch without you.

the bottom half of my large wall is from our IC's perspective, and does take into account lynching me.

That doesn't account for the possibility that you are lynched. I know that the pool contains four. Let me find the truth tonight and you can lynch me d4. If we lynch scum Egix today that's auto.

Det, garmr, bob and gamma replacement you four at least should listen, they can't get the lynch without you.

the bottom half of my large wall is from our IC's perspective, and does take into account lynching me.

i don't understand how your wall reaches the conclusion I'm a good lynch. Like, it says I'm most likely by raw probability, but I think there are better ways of finding scum than assigning all scumteams equal value, and besides, no town composition loses anything by lynching me d4 instead of d3.

i don't understand how your wall reaches the conclusion I'm a good lynch. Like, it says I'm most likely by raw probability, but I think there are better ways of finding scum than assigning all scumteams equal value, and besides, no town composition loses anything by lynching me d4 instead of d3.

The crux of it is, in a world where i'm NOT conf!town (all town!pov's but mine),

yours is the highest % lynch that makes another slot conf!scum if you flip town.

And also what happened your belief in Ausuka claim?

garmr/bob became conf!town and I had a minute to sit down and run the numbers

i don't understand how your wall reaches the conclusion I'm a good lynch. Like, it says I'm most likely by raw probability, but I think there are better ways of finding scum than assigning all scumteams equal value, and besides, no town composition loses anything by lynching me d4 instead of d3.

The crux of it is, in a world where i'm NOT conf!town (all town!pov's but mine),

yours is the highest % lynch that makes another slot conf!scum if you flip town.

But if you don't lynch me I could confirm the entire team???

But if you don't lynch me I could confirm the entire team???

(again, from all town!pov's that are not mine)
If we mislynch today, yes you can confirm the entire team, but ONLY TO YOU.

Everyone else still has to decide if you are scum or town

so it's not really confirmed.

It's the same issue as with my pov. The game is auto from my pov, but not to the slots that matter (conf!towns)

5x vt
1x on nea
1x en det
2x masons
1x ic

1x goon
1x rolecop
1x roleblocker

Is that setup (or something else along the lines of stacked scum) balanced?

Pedit: 5p lylo isn't good. In 5p lylo you have exi, urap and egix and have to find the town. Compare this to outright winning the game.
If you lynch me d4 I confscum 3 slots instead of just one. What do we gain by lynching me today instead of d4 again?

Pedit: if we mislynch today we also lose 5p lylo so...

5x vt
1x on nea
1x en det
2x masons
1x ic

1x goon
1x rolecop
1x roleblocker

Is that setup (or something else along the lines of stacked scum) balanced?

Pedit: 5p lylo isn't good. In 5p lylo you have exi, urap and egix and have to find the town. Compare this to outright winning the game.
If you lynch me d4 I confscum 3 slots instead of just one. What do we gain by lynching me today instead of d4 again?

Pedit: if we mislynch today we also lose 5p lylo so...

It's not possible because I'm town.

It's also not possible to either egix or exilon because (from their point of view) they are town.

but yeah, sure, you can argue that. You're arguing that the team is PRECISELY egix + Exilon + Me, so good luck with that one tomorrow if you succeed today

I agree with your analysis after a first readthrough.
My vote's already in the right place.

However, why are we not considering mafia roleblocker, or other similar actions?

I agree it is, and I'll vote egix again in a heartbeat if the conf!towns are interested

but I can't imagine they will be. I wouldn't be in their position.

Pedit: if we mislynch today we also lose 5p lylo so...

If you are town and we mislynch you today, the lynch options in 5p are {Egix, Exilon, Urap} and only one of those will be town in that situation (again, all from conf!town pov)

So in that situation it's only a 33% chance to lose, and that's if they can't find a town read on me.

[Detective Pikachu]

Round 5: It's day 1

One of these is town that is mislynching town on day 1
The other is scum pushing a mislynch

Can you decide?

Spoiler:

What are your thoughts on Sash? I like Asuka’s breakdown of Sash’s vote on Bob.

I think Sasha's reasoning for voting bob is pretty reachy but I don't think it makes him scum. (meta reasons)

I'd like to see a bit more content from him before giving a full-fledged read.

Could you enlighten us on these meta reasons.

As all i can see is you describing what happened to him in prevous games.


If sash does flip mafia then it appears very much your trying to diffuse his bandwagons while staying on the fence. So what is the reason in sash town meta that you think this is him being town

I think that Sasha is more awkward as town than as scum.
Tbf I only have actual play experience with town!Sash but there is one past scumgame of his that I skimmed once while I was trying to read him in a past game.

FYI, I'm going to be limited to phoneposting until Sunday evening.

Those squeamish about the Sash wagon should come hang out on the infinitely more wholesome RuiRui wagon, which grows more righteous with every passing minute since her last (awful) post.

Yep, I can dig this.

VOTE: Rui

So Egix, which one of us do you think is scum?

Neither atm

So if Sash is town, who is scum?

Rui, cby... urap is third I guess, I have everyone else at least null.

let's just lynch sash

^^^^^ bad reaction
especially in the event of town!sash

I'm town and I have the same reaction.

This bugs me... I don't think you'd have said "I'm town and..." if you actually were. Feels forced.

Not moving my vote btw. Main reason why I don't feel like voting urap is 453 because I doubt that scum would say that someone who's tunnelled on them is "clearly town" because that normally doesn't end well (it's very hard to do without it looking like TMI).

Yep, I can dig this.

VOTE: Rui

It reads as you have this slot an null or at a post scum lean, correct me if I'm wrong?
Is this really the strongest read you have to go with at this stage?

I generally find forming townreads to be easier than forming scumreads. Normally on Day 1 of a game I end up having a good number of townreads but rarely any strong scumreads, only leans in that direction.

So yes, at this point RuiRui is the closest thing I have to a full scumread.

which ones?

592, 632 and 635
You tell me if they are town to you...

Dont like the first post, the second two are nai imo

VOTE: sash

^^^^ entirely a compromise eod vote. I dont scumread him and i dont think he's flipping scum

If you're voting just to compromise, Rui is a better choice here

Spoiler:

so if you think sash is town, let's vote ruirui because I don't think you or inferno are scum and if scum is complacent, I don't think my wagon is clean.

VOTE: rui rui

Just want to straighten this out you guys think rui rui is scum if sash is town right?

uh, i think almost for certain they are not svs because of how they ended up as counter wagons at one point

I think that if Sash is town, then that means both wagons (mine and sash) were on town. Given that scenario, it seems unlikely that all 3 other people (and all 4 overall) were town. In this world, I'd say that ruirui is the most likely to be scum.

also scum!sash unvotes his cw because .....

let's flip ruirui

skitter you should stick with rui, im coming around on town sash

and everyone off the rui wagon should be asking themselves why they aren't on the rui wagon with such little time left

on the other hand rui is a terrific compromise wagon.

An argument can't be made for why the slot is town
The slot is going to have to be sorted eventually

and most importantly, you think sash is town

how about ruirui?

vote ruirui

gogogogo don't wait don't think just do it

I know I'm green. From my pov, voting Ruirui makes some sense strategically then. However, I don't see much scum in her 11 posts. What's the best option for me here?

if you're town, voting ruirui is way more plus town than getting lynched.

Hey, do you guys think rui rui would be more likely to check into this thread prior to the deadline as town or as scum? Scum, yeah?

And even if you don't think it's alignment indicative, I think we can all agree that it's pretty anti-town to not be around much at all in the last few days before the deadline while being wagoned?

This is clearly the better choice for today, and I'm disappointed with those of you who did not see that.

[Detective Pikachu]

~~~Bonus round -- ROUND 1!~~~



Here's Egix interacting with Almost50, having no significant read on him or interaction with him until eventually soft bussing/distancing!

Spoiler:

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Were you waiting for him to get lynched? Cuz I was thinking him not posting so far may have pointed to him having rolled Scum and didn't like it.

Why are you trying to outguess the mod? Isn't that, like, a huge no-no?

Edit: Prodded MariaR, Gnelf, & Shema

Scum team identified in full.

Insert obligatory "Lurking is NAI" comment here

Edit: Prodded MariaR, Gnelf, & Shema

Scum team identified in full.

Insert obligatory "Lurking is NAI" comment here

4th scum detected

breaking_bad_you_got_me.gif

I'm not really feeling any of the current main wagons.
- Lolwagons: The votes on this one are mainly because their predecessor flaked as far as I can tell. I maintain that that's NAI so really I don't get what's going on here.
- Clem's posts are kinda fluffy but I take it he's the kind of guy who likes to meme a lot. Also, Dunnstral's on this wagon and you guys know I'm not a fan of him.
- A50 has a playstyle that seems very... eccentric, I guess you could say? Seems pretty null on the whole, don't really know how to read him.
Keeping my vote where it is.

I mean...it's in your best interest right now to go ahead and give your reads.

And thus lose the standoff?
Fine then, if it will allow the game to continue on as normal, then here goes.

Town
Egix
Penguin
Clem
0ver

Null
Gamma
Lovebird

Scum
Reaper
A50
Dunnstral
Gnelf

I could say more, but I'd rather not give scum!Gnelf any more ideas of how to write their own.

how is egix cleared as cop?

I'm not, that's just A50 trying to mislead you.

VOTE: Reaper
I don't think it makes sense for maf!Dunn to vote town!me and then immediately switch.
Aorn ROS is my main suspect but I'm fine with lynching A50 or T4 instead.

And here's Egix on HRG/Skygazer in this game!

Spoiler:

Yep, I can dig this.

VOTE: Rui

It reads as you have this slot an null or at a post scum lean, correct me if I'm wrong?
Is this really the strongest read you have to go with at this stage?

I generally find forming townreads to be easier than forming scumreads. Normally on Day 1 of a game I end up having a good number of townreads but rarely any strong scumreads, only leans in that direction.

So yes, at this point RuiRui is the closest thing I have to a full scumread.

Skitter just really pings me with their posting and just feels like a lot of empty posting.

Now that's a spicy read.

And i think this little proding has drawn out sash sucm partner. It ceratinly explains why chb was killed rather than some off teh wagon

Looks like high risk gambler is sash partner

We're not voting Sash or URA today.
Sash is just an easy target right now for a mis lynch.

If you think Sash is scum, then hold on to that for now until I can be bothered to explain why you're wrong and explain to me why X or Y are scum instead so we can work towards an actual lynch.

Gamble is practically begging to be lynched if Sasha flips red. Seems way too obvious for them to be scum together if you ask me. It would be wiser to just bus.

Why doesn't egix look like scum here? @HRG

Because Egix isn't posting like scum him.

Are you willing to elaborate on this or nah?

everybody:

claim if you have a modifier or not in your next post

To be clear, I don't have any modifiers.

Yup

VOTE: Skygazer

L-1

Wait, Jim, can we see those last two again please?

everybody:

claim if you have a modifier or not in your next post

To be clear, I don't have any modifiers.

Yup

VOTE: Skygazer

L-1

Do Egix's abrupt read changes indicate s/s bussing/distancing?

You decide!

[Detective Pikachu]

~~~BONUS ROUND 2 -- U R A Person 2 EDITION~~~

Here's u r a person 2 talking about "auto" play as scum!

Spoiler:

That essentially is it

I can see if someone can kill
I can see if someone can stop night actions and strongwilled neighborize them

first was on Gemini
Second was on Jungle

Both were negative results and Jungle joined my neighborhood

At first I thought this was a likely town role because of the strangeness of the double investigative, but it always had to be scum.

Think about the possible setups

Jailkeeper
Watcher
traffic guru with venge kill
neighborizer + kill check (supposedly)
Bus driver

Scum has two prs and one of them bus, driver, is strong, but countered by confirmed!town traffic guru and jailkeeper. The neighborizor ction is confirmable and nothing about the role makes it red checkable by any of the other roles, so there is a good balance. One role can be countered pretty heavily but is strong. The other can't be countered, but is weaker. The utility is entirely based in the ability of the scum to use the neighborize to their benefit.

Consider if ank is town

Jailkeeper + traffic guru with venge + neighborizer that can check for the ability to roleblock + a check on the ability to kill vs watcher and bus driver

How does this make sense? The bus driver would not only be countered by the traffic guru and jailkeeper but also by both investigative actions from ank's slot, and the scum!watcher would be checkable by ank's slot, and the jail keeper's slot. The watcher ability, if it got a result, would have a 1/3 chance of pushing scum to lynch the venge slot (bad for scum), while a false positive from town!ank would also result in the free venge for town. It's simply too much town power + the ability for prs to confirm one another

This game is clearly more balanced with town watcher rather than town whatever ank is claiming.

incorrect.

1. Town only has two mislynches by default and if the vengeful is killed, most of the time it will EAT one of them. This can easily put town into MyLo on DAY TWO, which is absolutely insane for most setups. Town needs a backup plan for this to not singlehandedly break the game in favor for scum,

ESPECIALLY WITH SCUM BEING ABLE TO BUS DRIVE THEIR NIGHT ACTION TARGET TO AVOID DOCTORS AND WATCHERS

, which ensures that the scumteam can kill the strongest town N1.
2. The amount of power has with my role being town and yours being scum makes a lot of sense.

2a. scum can busdrive the jailkeep away from their NK target (which I would expect 99% of the time most scumteams would be using with a bus drive on N1). This puts doubt on the JK claim and/or the Doctor claim.
2b. the vengeful's night action is not likely to have any impact on the game since just knowing that somebody had a redirect used on them is not exactly very useful to the game unless another PR (namely only Gemini since I would know I was redirected) also targeted the same target. This is... not exactly very likely!
2c. my role has two parts, one of which is gated by a false guilty target (the vengeful), and the other of which can ONLY get a guilty on town (gemini). the neighborizer being strong-willed means that my claims of being redirected are inherently suspicious, especially if my result was redirected off the target I neighborized.
2d. Effectively,

the game is based around town's power roles being able to paint a pretty good picture of what's going on with enough context, but the individual parts are not confirmable.

Town having a Jailkeeper+OneShotDoctor and a double investigative is really strong for a 9p game,

that's why town was also given an anti-town role in the vengeful and scum were given the watcher in order to have very good odds of detecting at least one PR on night one.

The town was ALSO purposely designed in a way that a massclaim wouldn't singlehandedly break the game since the bus driver screws with results, the watcher helps scum build a narrative to help counter it, the vengeful redirection detector is also sketchy enough to be mislynchable in that scenario, and town is

specifically

designed in a way that makes it very hard to consolidate information accurately since none of it is technically confirmable as town.

So yes, town makes a lot more sense with my role as town over yours.

It fits the design of the game.
It's

REQUIRED

to counter the massive amounts of swing that the vengeful adds to the game if it's lynched D1 and vengekills town.
It's built into the setup that even if something goes wrong, my role is just as likely to even the odds with a really unlucky check as it is to end the game with a lucky check.

Watcher does

NOT

have these same interactions.
Watcher being town here means that the scumteam have the ability to detect two of the three PRs, AND can kill whoever the fuck they want via the bus driver, AND an extra possibility of getting full role info that town would not have via the neighborhood. And town in return gets the JK+Doc, the anti-town vengeful role, and... the ability to catch the bus driver! And every other PR in the game! The ability to be able to out PRs to the town or to the scum neighborizer!

That's absolutely ridiculous and not at all congruent with the rest of the town PRs like my role is.

It definitely is a lot of words. It happens to be completely wrong, but I'm not skilled enough in setup spec to tell you all the ways in which it is wrong. But it seems pretty ludicrous to me to suggest that the venge is anti town. If it were really anti town, towns wouldn't opt to take the shot. It doesn't take into account the benefit of being the lynch to seeing the wagons with clear eyes. I bet you'd find that venge shots have a > rand success rate, and that this game was not an anomaly.

And Ank talks about how much power is required to offset the venge, but from town!ank's point of view we lynched a pr, and had the venge shoot scum, and the game was still auto by D2. If a VT had been venged, and the same night actions made, it wouldn't even have been auto, it would have just been solved. That's crazy. That's best case scenario for scum, and they're walking into D2 with a game solved against them. That's not realistic.

okay it wouldn't be solved but it would still be auto, lol

Like, scum in this setup needs the pr interactions to wifom the game, and it needs ank's kill detector to avoid lynching the venge

I think you're forgetting that the game was autosolved because jungle and I were DECEIVING everybody else

the game was not actually solved once I outed my role

in the world where our alignments are reversed and you were town, fypov

-you're town
Gem is town
Starwing is town
lynch 1 in {jm, vedith, me}
you check one and gem checks one
one of you survives and either red checks or clears

If the venge had hit a vt (say, vedith)
Then it's 2 scums in {RC, me, JM} and if you get past mylo, it's auto

sorry i called it auto before but it's hard keeping track of these hypotheticals

it's still way town-sided without your ability to identify venge.

And here's urap in this game insisting the game is auto over 10 times!

Spoiler:

So given that the following people are town, and at this point I do think it's a given
Pikachu
Garmr
Bob

and given that Gamma can only be scum if Ausuka is
and given that at minimum one of skitter and ausuka is town

Possible scum are
Ausuka + Gamma
Ausuka OR Skitter
Egix
Exilon

Possibile teams are
Ausuka + Gamma + Egix
Ausuka + Gamma + Exilon

Ausuka + Egix + Exilon
Skitter + Egix + Exilon

Of those 4 teams, Egix, Ausuka, and Exilon are found in 3 of 4
Skitter is found in 1/4

Given Town!Ausuka comes into D4 with a check,
The best lynches are Egix and Exilon

There is no team that does not include at least one of the two, so there is no way that I can think of (I haven't looked at the normal roles list) for town to lose tomorrow by mislynching one and then lynching the other.

Further, if one of them is a mislynch, then it is confirmed that Ausuka AND Gamma are scum.
If neither is a mislynch, then we are at 5p, 4T, 1S and 2 unconfirmed in {Skitter, Ausuka}

Thus, fmpov we're in auto right now without the benefit of further checks. This feels unbalanced, but I have to believe that's because scum chose to never nk the IC, and also never hit a PR.

Now, from our IC, DP's pov

Possible scum are
Ausuka + Gamma
Ausuka OR Skitter
Egix
Exilon
URAP

Possible Teams
Possibile teams are
Ausuka + Gamma + Egix
Ausuka + Gamma + Exilon
Ausuka + Gamma + Urap

Ausuka + Egix + Exilon
Skitter + Egix + Exilon
Ausuka + Egix + Urap
Ausuka + Exilon + Urap
Skitter + Egix + Urap
Skitter + Exilon + Urap

Of the 9 possible teams,
Ausuka appears in 6, or 66.7%
Egix appears in 5, or 55.5%
Exilon appears in 5, or 55.5%
Urap appears in 5, or 55.5%
Skitter appears in 3, or 33.3%
Gamma appears in 3, or 33.3%

Gamma only appears in teams with Ausuka, making her a bad lynch today (because why not just ausuka instead? It hits scum on more teams.)
Flipping town on any of {Egix, Exilon, Urap}today ensures that one of {Exilon, Egix} and one of {Skitter, Ausuka} are the remaining scum. If ausuka is town, she can clear one of them tomorrow, confirming the entire scum team from her pov, and confirming one scum to the town player left in {Egix, Exilon, Urap}

Skitter is a bad lynch because of how little it cuts down the possible pool of teams if she flips town.

Ausuka is a bad lynch because ya'll don't get the benefit of her check if she flips town. On the other hand, in every world where ausuka is town, skitter is scum, so this would guarantee that 5p lylo is achieved.

So, fmpov egix and exilon are fine lynches (i prefer egix of the two)
and from ya'll pov it should probably be ausuka.

That doesn't account for the possibility that you are lynched. I know that the pool contains four. Let me find the truth tonight and you can lynch me d4. If we lynch scum Egix today that's auto.

Det, garmr, bob and gamma replacement you four at least should listen, they can't get the lynch without you.

the bottom half of my large wall is from our IC's perspective, and does take into account lynching me.

But if you don't lynch me I could confirm the entire team???

(again, from all town!pov's that are not mine)
If we mislynch today, yes you can confirm the entire team, but ONLY TO YOU.

Everyone else still has to decide if you are scum or town

so it's not really confirmed.

It's the same issue as with my pov. The game is auto from my pov, but not to the slots that matter (conf!towns)

No, I mean, if there's roleblocker we're not getting an Ausuka result
Which is kind of a wrench in town's plans (if I understood correctly), and is "guaranteed" to happen if Ausuka is scum so basically day 4 we'll be having fun trying to decide if we're buying her claim or not, I guess

okay so from my/your!town pov

the game is already auto, and roles be damned. Refer to the top half of my wall post and just switch my name with yours and you should see that pretty easily

But from conf!town positions, the best lynch is ausuka, meaning that a roleblock, etc. on ausuka is irrelelvent because we're lynching her today anyway.
Again, see the bottom half of my wall and just switch my name and yours for analysis from you!town's pov.

pikachu is IC

Gamr and Bob are technically not clear but are like 99.999% masons

Ausuka is scum who is claiming odd night nea

skitter is town claiming even night detective

I'm town

and egix + one of {gamma, exilon} are final scum

game is auto from pov of town!{me, egix, exilon} but exilon can't seem to figure that out

Ausuka is the best lynch from the conf!town slots, but they can't seem to figure that out

and either of {Exilon, Egix} are ideal from my pov because, as i said, auto

i'll pull up the post for you that you said you would go through on your own one sec

it's not an opinion, lol

literally, if you are town and believe that the masons are real, it's auto

lose your calm all you want

i don't know what you're talking about, mate

you don't seem to be accepting that the game is auto from your pov which only makes sense if you're scum

Either agree with the analysis, or show me why im wrong but don't threaten to throw a hissy fit lolol

conf town is being stubborn and wrongheaded. he should be voting for ausuka from his pov

but he's voting you

and voting you is a fine vote fmpov because, again, auto

so why would i fight it

again, this should be obvious

this game is boring now because WE'RE IN AUTO and anything to move it along is fine by me

i remember you saying you agreed to it on first pass. i don't remember you going back and doing the analysis and confirming it, and your synopsis to sky didn't say "hey, we're in auto fmpov" so i figured you didn't get it or were simply scum

apologies if i missed a post somewhere

no, not good enough. you don't think it's auto because you think there could be a twist. it's a normal game, so every possible scum role is available for you

What possible twist could make it not auto?

I havent gotten around to doing the whole math urap2 sorry but doesn't seem like it'll be necessary after this

yeah i mean why would you want to figure out why it's auto from your pov

this is also scum

guess I was wrong on egix

Driving back now. Be in place tomorrow. Literally auto so pick one of them and let's go

Does urap avoid commiting to solving through reads as scum when presented with a challenging mechanical situation as scum?

[Detective Pikachu]

~~~SUPER VCA BONUS ROUND~~~

Here's literally the only EoD lynch that u r a person 2 and Egix were not both on the same person! Boy VCA sure is helpful, just like NKA~ :3 :3 :3

VC 2.FINAL

Sashaddin (6):

Gamma Emerald 1541, Garmr 1546, bob3141 1547, Ausuka 1606, Exilon 1686, u r a person 2 1725

LYNCH!

Ausuka (3):

Egix 1270, Inferno390 1638, Sashaddin 1648

Egix96 (2):

u r a person 2 1455, skitter30 1497

skitter30 (1):

Detective Pikachu 1646

Not Voting:

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Is u r a person scum for hammering Sashaddin when I basically said not to do that? Has he been consistently acting out a scum agenda?

Or is he town for directly opposing the preference of the IC?

Were all three scum on the lynch wagon both day 1 and day 2?

Is Egix town for pushing Ausuka on day 2 over Sashaddin?

Or is Egix scum for his push on Ausuka being so forgettable?

[Detective Pikachu]

~~~What's a real towntell? The JUXTAPOSITION home suite!~~~

Is Egix town for calling out a read against three loud, vocal town that he doesn't understand?

Bob is town.

Yeah Bob is town here.

i think bob is town

Whatever you three are seeing, I'm not seeing it...

Or is u r a person 2 town for making a complex townread on Bob that separates scummy behavior from iioa posts that can look scummy at a glance?

72 comes from town I think.

Like it actually looks scummy af but I think it actually reads townie from some new players.

[Detective Pikachu]

Round 3: It's day 4.

One of these two is a bus! The other is town voting scum.

pika, bob, garmr still town

leaving

exilon, sky, egix

VOTE: sky
because her informed revelation is untrue.

Yup

VOTE: Skygazer

L-1

Can you decide which is which?

Actually can I come back to this

I had suggested that there could be a gated doctor

Why did neither of you think that Skygazer would be trueclaiming (even if scum) that she was informed {functionally that I was BP}

Also can we take a moment and appreciate how insane Skygazer's claim was in retrospect

Also why do neither of you respond to the explosion posts that happen during this day? The only thing weirder than day 4 is the fact that one of you didn't realize Exilon was incredibly town for the nature of Sky's push on him

Like URAP you thought BOTH insane 1v1s with Exilon were s/s? First that massive fight between Ausuka and Exi, and then Skygazer trying to fake-catch Exi in a quasi-mechanical guilty since he actually just inferred I was BP? Like what did you actually think happened at the end of day 4?

[Detective Pikachu]

Atleast if det to look back he gets more info

[Detective Pikachu]

Egix can I also ask you about the development of your bob read
>You didn't think Sasha voting for bob made Sasha scum, but you don't really say your read of bob
>you call out three people on bob being town
>...but say you would vote gamble over bob
>then agree bob can be 'misguided town'
>and then vote Ausuka in part because of her bob read
>then, even though you're townreading bob enough to vote Ausuka because of him, you ask bob why... he's townreading you?

Spoiler:

What are your thoughts on Sash? I like Asuka’s breakdown of Sash’s vote on Bob.

I think Sasha's reasoning for voting bob is pretty reachy but I don't think it makes him scum. (meta reasons)

I'd like to see a bit more content from him before giving a full-fledged read.

Bob is town.

Yeah Bob is town here.

i think bob is town

Whatever you three are seeing, I'm not seeing it...

Can I get updated thoughts from Egix on Bob and HRG

Aorn if I had to vote either Bob or Gamble, I would vote Gamble.

Will that do for now?

But I doi have to say that I can see Bob being misguided town and for now that's where I'm leaning

Yeah I'm starting to see it too.

VOTE: Ausuka

Yeah I don't really like the way that she pushed on bob, 1191 specifically.

be more specific. what don't you like about it?

I find it a bit scummy that you described 948 as being stretchy and forced, rather than just calling it out as being a loaded question.

And I can easily envision (inexperiencedTown)!bob thinking that asking a specifically-phrased loaded question in an attempt to bait a scummy response, would be a valid strategy. (Not saying that I personally would recommend it, but still.)

I think

Exilion strong town lean

Egix slight town lean

Skitter slight town lean
inferno town lean
detective confirmed town by mod
gamr town

sach im scum reading
Aus scum read
urp2 sligh scum lean
HRG slight scum lean

Where did this come from?

[Detective Pikachu]

unless DP is hiding a modifier

if the whole point of this gambit was to bait a townie seeming to TMI and getting a mislynch out of it, why does urap speculate about this

otoh, why did you think it would be me hiding a modifier and not one of the masons?

[Detective Pikachu]

ima ask implo too

this is fucky

implo said "not vanilla"

VOTE: Ausuka

I like that Skygazer pretended that implosion ever responds to a PM in 4 minutes

[Egix96]

Egix can I also ask you about the development of your bob read
>You didn't think Sasha voting for bob made Sasha scum, but you don't really say your read of bob
>you call out three people on bob being town
>...but say you would vote gamble over bob
>then agree bob can be 'misguided town'
>and then vote Ausuka in part because of her bob read
>then, even though you're townreading bob enough to vote Ausuka because of him, you ask bob why... he's townreading you?

Spoiler:

What are your thoughts on Sash? I like Asuka’s breakdown of Sash’s vote on Bob.

I think Sasha's reasoning for voting bob is pretty reachy but I don't think it makes him scum. (meta reasons)

I'd like to see a bit more content from him before giving a full-fledged read.

Bob is town.

Yeah Bob is town here.

i think bob is town

Whatever you three are seeing, I'm not seeing it...

Can I get updated thoughts from Egix on Bob and HRG

Aorn if I had to vote either Bob or Gamble, I would vote Gamble.

Will that do for now?

But I doi have to say that I can see Bob being misguided town and for now that's where I'm leaning

Yeah I'm starting to see it too.

VOTE: Ausuka

Yeah I don't really like the way that she pushed on bob, 1191 specifically.

be more specific. what don't you like about it?

I find it a bit scummy that you described 948 as being stretchy and forced, rather than just calling it out as being a loaded question.

And I can easily envision (inexperiencedTown)!bob thinking that asking a specifically-phrased loaded question in an attempt to bait a scummy response, would be a valid strategy. (Not saying that I personally would recommend it, but still.)

I think

Exilion strong town lean

Egix slight town lean

Skitter slight town lean
inferno town lean
detective confirmed town by mod
gamr town

sach im scum reading
Aus scum read
urp2 sligh scum lean
HRG slight scum lean

Where did this come from?

I was mostly nullish on bob up until point #4

As for #6, I was curious because IIRC he had been suspecting me previously

[Detective Pikachu]

Man this would be a wild 3-way bus

although it is weird that you keep talking about sky in the third person

Spoiler:

this is fucky

implo said "not vanilla"

VOTE: Ausuka

it's entirely possible that scum!sky didn't read fully enough to completely grasp the mechanical implications of this claim

scum!sky claims VT here

MY guess is this

sky didn't fully read and neither of her scum partners are online now

you asked her to claim, and in an attempt to pocket you and keep ausuka alive, she claimed that 2 town had modifiers (which would make both you and ausuka town)

then when we began conversing and the implications of this claim to the, in this world, TWO town in {egix, urap, exilon} she basically goes "whoops" and hard busses with the "non vanilla" bit

or, second guess, it was all a ploy to try and get sky cleared enough to get through lylo by setting up the hard bus

>implying that if i was scum fake-claiming informed i wouldn't have read first

or, second guess, it was all a ploy to try and get sky cleared enough to get through lylo by setting up the hard bus

no, this doesn't make sense. It still requires sky to have not grasped the implications of the claim because there isn't a second claimed town!modifier if ausuka is scum

[Detective Pikachu]

some town has failed to full claim their role (which is assuming they are just a BAD player)

or

you are just a bad player

I'd rather accuse you of being lazy than accuse someone of being awful at this game.

does urap say this if he's informed the IC is bp?

[Detective Pikachu]

I'm actually ascetic so there's the second modifier. This should make me confirmed town.

did you crumb this anywhere?

My username starts with a. So does ascetic.

Man Ausuka turning out all the stops if this is s/s theater

on the other hand, why are you asking about crumbs to the ascetic when ausuka is lolcatting lol

I havent gotten around to doing the whole math urap2 sorry but doesn't seem like it'll be necessary after this

yeah i mean why would you want to figure out why it's auto from your pov

this is also scum

guess I was wrong on egix

damn if this isn't a post that I really hate

[Detective Pikachu]

buttleproof

[u r a person 2]

Does urap avoid commiting to solving through reads as scum when presented with a challenging mechanical situation as scum?

Okay you've refreshed my memory about the auto in the draco game

here's the difference
in that game, I was arguing that the setup spec town!ank was proposing had to be wrong BECAUSE the game was basically solved on D2 and that didn't make sense from a balance perspective. It was an argument I knew that I could make because I was hiding part of my role, making the setup look super town favored. It also wasn't to avoid solving through reads. If you read through that day, you'll see that I did a lot of fake solving.

In this game, there is no setup spec attached to the argument. It was simply auto from my perspective. And if you read through the analysis, you'll see that I wasn't wrong. If I were solely in charge of the lynch order, systematically lynching the unknowns does win the game. You have to give me some of the benefit of the doubt here because the analysis is correct. You should be expecting town me to eventually come to this conclusion.

Further, the interaction with ausuka after I call the game auto and vote them is clearly not SVS, or at least not voluntary svs. she's trying everything she can think of to undermine my analysis, it's all reachy, and i'm not giving any quarter

[u r a person 2]

Also why do neither of you respond to the explosion posts that happen during this day? The only thing weirder than day 4 is the fact that one of you didn't realize Exilon was incredibly town for the nature of Sky's push on him

what explosion posts? i don't understand

[u r a person 2]

Like URAP you thought BOTH insane 1v1s with Exilon were s/s? First that massive fight between Ausuka and Exi, and then Skygazer trying to fake-catch Exi in a quasi-mechanical guilty since he actually just inferred I was BP? Like what did you actually think happened at the end of day 4?

I don't think the exilon+ausuka bit was fresh in my mind at the time

but Exilon fighting the auto analysis after I laid it out for him right alongside ausuka fighting the auto analysis during d3 i think really ignited my paranoia about him

and I think scum, when trying to fake tvt, or not svs generally, often think that noisy 1v1s are a good way to do it. So considering that by D4 skygazer was confirmed scum (because you hadn't claimed bp, which you had no reason not to claim by this point) which made this whole thing look like svs to try and save exilon through lylo

[u r a person 2]

unless DP is hiding a modifier

if the whole point of this gambit was to bait a townie seeming to TMI and getting a mislynch out of it, why does urap speculate about this

otoh, why did you think it would be me hiding a modifier and not one of the masons?

without going back and looking, I think that both of them had confirmed that they didn't have a modifier while you hadn't.

Also, I'm not an idiot. It did cross my mind that scum simply couldn't kill you. But you're also mod-confirmed town, so I wouldn't expect you to lie about it.

[u r a person 2]

some town has failed to full claim their role (which is assuming they are just a BAD player)

or

you are just a bad player

I'd rather accuse you of being lazy than accuse someone of being awful at this game.

does urap say this if he's informed the IC is bp?

I stand by it, too.
My game hasn't been great, but I don't understand why you would hide it here. Intuition says it's probably a bad play.