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[NerfedBuJ]

I have arrived

[NerfedBuJ]

I'm really starting to hate timezone differences. I can't remember my last page 1 post

[NerfedBuJ]

Hello again to nom x3, Buj, Skitter, urap2, Dunn, NC, and Pika
Heyo to the rest of you!

I am ending RVS right here and right now
VOTE: No Lynch

Me as a person: hello

Me as a player: *sigh* you rolled scum again didn't you

[NerfedBuJ]

Please designate your best player so I may vote them to assert dominance

You are

(Checkmate)

[NerfedBuJ]

Haven't finished reading and in an emergency meeting with my boss (a workaholic SOB), but yeah I'm pretty confident cinnamon is town or an exceptional actor because that claim and subsequent posts up to him realizing that he does in fact have a modifier and not 2 roles seems very genuine, I don't think that's how lying looks like.

I am still pro-PL'ing millers before lylo so we"ll discuss again when we're closer to lylo.

[NerfedBuJ]

10/10 totally town entrance for you Buj.
As always.

I confess .. I do things that seem fun to me. I just speak my mind I don't really think about what I say.

Also so far you've only seen town me so I don't know where the sarcasm comes from.

[NerfedBuJ]

How many villains have you seen announce their arrival publicly and grandeously though? That was a totally innocent move that only comes from town.

[NerfedBuJ]

What purpose does PLing a Miller ever have?

Annihilates the chances of any scum winning by claiming it.

Which happens to maximize the effectiveness of the claim if it comes from an actual miller.
Investigatives don't waste their shot.
Scum are forced to kill elsewhere so as not to confirm the miller's towniness, meaning we have a permanently smaller lynch pool every day.
Allows the miller to focus on other people without worrying about a premature mislynch, and allows town to focus on other people, ie one less person to sort.

It is an IC with the heavy penalty of eating up the lylo-1 day's lynch, but it's worth it overall.

But for the record I don't like the role personally. It's just kind of meh at this point because there's just an obvious way to go about dealing with it so it's not exciting or interesting anymore.

[NerfedBuJ]

I liked it more when buj had a nice and friendly duck on his team to do damage control.

Yeah my job is to get accurate reads. I haven't learnt how to 'people' properly yet.

[NerfedBuJ]

So you're scumreading Flubber and me, and town reading Cinn. Is that right?
got any other reads?

Don't think I'm scumreading Flubber rn despite the bad post.

Heh this is closer to the town!urap I know.

VOTE: Buj

What was towny about that?

What's scummy about me?

[NerfedBuJ]

He quoted but I'm still confused. His response doesn't seem relevant to my post.

[NerfedBuJ]

But I think VOTE: nero cain is a better bet for scum flip

I have a 0% chance of flipping scum though.

Then maybe it's a good thing no money was staked.

[NerfedBuJ]

Okay nero why are you kind of weird this game?

What's with the Russian, and the bolded words/sentences?

Why do you have an unnatural attachment to vorkuta this game?

Why did you agree with his push and vote for cinnamon?

What makes you not believe the bunny's claim?

[NerfedBuJ]

Why do you even think im scum?

You came off as sheepy but I would expect the dynamic between you and vork to be closer to the opposite.

Plus we'll see how you answer the questions

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idk I read Buj's quoted post as him trying to accuse me of setting a double standard as my rating system is 10/10 working as intended

No the two quoted sentences are unrelated.

They are just two of the reasons why you feel scummy to me.

The use of ratings in and of itself.
The push on cinnamon.


It had nothing to do with you calling out nom.

[NerfedBuJ]

It makes sense to me and that is how I play. We will likely lynch all scum before we get to it anyway. If you are against it when I bring it up again later in the game we can debate then.

[NerfedBuJ]

ngl Vork the rating system you got going on seems scummy

And you were pushing the miller claim as fake.

But I think VOTE: nero cain is a better bet for scum flip

How would you have rated nom's response there?

Can you be more specific?

[NerfedBuJ]

care to case me? Just because Im a died-in-the-wool capitalist who TRs Cinnamon's play doesnt quite cut the cheese for me.

This is a weird response

[NerfedBuJ]

Actually urap.. I think nom is town and you feel like you're gauging people's feelings to get a sense for the starus quo.

VOTE: u r a person

That should answer your question regardless of what you were referring to.

[NerfedBuJ]

Also the hydra thing between vork and nero is an acceptable explanation for their weirdness for the time being.

[NerfedBuJ]

@nerfedbuj you said vort's rating system was scummy. He was rating a reaction by nom. Would you not have rated that reaction 0/10? It feels weird to me that you would call the rating scummy there, and i want to know how you would have differed if you were a judge at these games.

Spoiler:

@nom I don't think I played a passive opening to this game. What are you talking about?

That's how it came across to me. I just didn't recognize your towngame.

VOTE: nom

show work please

I am voting scum dude what are you on about

This is the best work I can come up with chief.

This is the best work I can come up with chief.

Low effort, 0/10, would not buy

ngl Vork the rating system you got going on seems scummy

And you were pushing the miller claim as fake.

But I think VOTE: nero cain is a better bet for scum flip

Ah I get it now

Yeah nom's reactions were meh I would not rate it higher than 4 but I was calling the use of ratings itself scummy, I was not arguing against him poking at nom, as I stated earlier.

Though for the record I don't think nom is scum for it just a lazy push from town based on the tone of his posts.

[NerfedBuJ]

Dilemma
>wanting to lynch a scummy playstyle
>knowing that town!X has this scummy playstyle

Applies to Buj as well

How is that scummy?

BuJ and Urap do not play the same at all.

Vorkuta thinks I have a scummy playstyle as town.

It's funny, but since this is only our 3rd game together or something very low like that, I'm not that bothered by it.

Very amusing though when I've gotten named obvtown several times and been lynched as scum once specifically for not obvtowning.

[NerfedBuJ]

Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

[NerfedBuJ]

u r a person 2 (3):

teacher, Nero Cain, Saladman27

Vorkuta(2):

Dunnstral, nomnomnom

nomnomnom (2):

u r a person 2, Vorkuta

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

skitter30 (1):

Detective Pikachu

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuj

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

Let me hope that for once my scumread is followed by a wagon and not ignored and laughed to death first thanks

I'm ignoring yes.
I'm not laughing.

I've eliminated SvS as an option is all I can say with certainty.

[NerfedBuJ]

Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

how is skitter in your town pool by the way

Shot in the dark. Makes it look cooler.

[NerfedBuJ]

Very amusing though when I've gotten named obvtown several times and been lynched as scum once specifically for not obvtowning.

Do you think you're obvtown here?

Not particularly but vorkuta was talking about me in the general sense because he's overinflating his experience with me as usual so I was talking in the general sense too.

Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

of the leftovers, why did you choose pikachu? why not stay on me, or hop on teacher?

Of all the cases or reasons presented by everyone including mine on you, nero's scumread on pikachu was the strongest.

[NerfedBuJ]

Urap2 is at least posting and stuff, and yeah he's scummy but he's not shying away from the thread and discussing relevant stuff.

And teacher while I don't see anything townie from him, whether or not his posts are scummy is more a matter of interpretation / playstyle I feel.

The case on pikachu is stronger objectively and much more clearly specific to this game.

I don't remember any specific thing I townread from nom before her 1v1 with vork. It was more of a tonal thing since she seemed relaxed and interested in getting some reads right away.

[NerfedBuJ]

feels like something you actually believe

You've become an expert in tone reading me when exactly?

Wow someone's upset

[NerfedBuJ]

Just want to say that I am not exactly confident on my vork townread based on him pinging me early on, but this is the first time I'm the one townreading vork and others are pushing him. Usually I am the only one scumreading him. I know it's very anecdotal and a small sample of games but it's not sitting right with me.

[NerfedBuJ]

My gut says DP is actually town here although it's a completely stupid reason to believe so and I'd rather not delve in it.

I'm also inclined to believe that URAP is town leaning when re-reading a few things from him too. That's where I am at right now.

That's so strange.

Why and why?

[NerfedBuJ]

Just want to say that I am not exactly confident on my vork townread based on him pinging me early on, but this is the first time I'm the one townreading vork and others are pushing him. Usually I am the only one scumreading him. I know it's very anecdotal and a small sample of games but it's not sitting right with me.

Can you explain a bit? I don't understand the implications you're trying to make here.

It just suprises me that I am townreading vork and several others are scumreading him. That is not what usually happens in my recent experience with vork.

So it is strange. Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch or he managed to pocket me despite being even more annoying than usual. (No offence vork it's not you it's just how you post)
I don't like either of those options.

[NerfedBuJ]

How many villains have you seen announce their arrival publicly and grandeously though? That was a totally innocent move that only comes from town.

A50- Jazz mafia
Literally waltzes in and says "hi I'm scum" in his very first post.
Eats rope.
Is actually scum

That is not even close to the same thing.
A50 hardclaimed scum.

I just said "I have arrived".

[NerfedBuJ]

I actually forgot there were posts before this one

(given it's his first post that isn't fluff)?

I mean I'm going to tone-scum read buj for merely existing, just like he's going to scum-read me for breathing.

I COULD argue that

Me as a player: *sigh* you rolled scum again didn't you

comes from scum in order to
-shade
-provide the foundation of his future "lets lynch vork" rhetoric

However I'm not going to be able to sort Buj today period.
Either way I have more promising scum cases that I think I can develop (provided that they post and whatnot)

Okay I ignored these comments long enough mate.

We played two games.
I scumread you in the first one despite everyone telling me you're town. You were scum.

I scumread you in the second one at first until you were confirmed as mason.

Yes that's 50%. It's not impressive. But considering a lot people play masons a bit scummily anyway until they get exposed, I'm going to give myself bonus points.

either way, there is absolutely no way to treat me like a random tunneller with some personal problem with you because 1) that's not true, and 2) I was right for 50% of our games together.

So on an objective level I don't understand why you set such an impossible standard for me to read you correctly from your first few posts in the game, while at the same time shittalking my ability to read you.

I was right once, I will be right again, I will be wrong sometimes. None of that gives you any excuse to belittle and dismiss my scumreads on you.

ESPECIALLY when I place you in my townlist a measly few pages later.

[NerfedBuJ]

Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch

Why would scum pick town!vorkuta as a day 1 mislynch? I mean objectively speaking if you were scum here, wouldn't your mind go towards the more lurk-ish people, where it's easier to make a case on? Because that's definitely easier than to go against a player like vorkuta here.

Not really it's actually quite hard to lynch a lurker from what I've seen of site meta.

And vorkut is really annoying so like even if people townread him you can soften them up to the idea of lynching him

[NerfedBuJ]

I'd join a teacher wagon but I don't see myself joining vork's wagon.

If you're thinking of changing your vote nom.

[NerfedBuJ]

Pikachu still reads like careful scum to me

And it's interesting how many townreads I seem to have attracted recently.

I wonder what was the catalyst.

[NerfedBuJ]

Hint hint

ITT scum try to sheep skitter

*ahem*

FTFY

[NerfedBuJ]

Thanks for calling me newbscum though vork, nice touch.

[NerfedBuJ]

Pikachu still reads like careful scum to me

I look forward to being upgrade to reckless scum later in the game :3

Do it now; much easier to sort.

[NerfedBuJ]

Vork you better not ignore 565.. like I honestly think what you're doing to me is pretty messed up regardless of what your alignment is.

[NerfedBuJ]

@Vork - alright, that's good enough for me I guess

@everyone voting vork - vote actual scum please.

[NerfedBuJ]

So it is strange. Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch or he managed to pocket me despite being even more annoying than usual. (No offence vork it's not you it's just how you post)
I don't like either of those options.

I guess you kind of answered it. I think vorkuta is lynchbait this game a lot of the time. I don't know if it's being pushed by town or by scum rn tho.

Is there another option that you would like better? It's weird to say that you think everything points to these two options but that you don't think either of those options are right

I'm not saying I don't think either of those options are right. I was saying that I think both of these options are bad.

Admittedly the 2nd option is more of a personal problem not a problem for all town but town not seeing eye to eye on reads is not good. I'm going to defend my townreads so if one of them is wrong I would be standing in the way of a scun lynch.

i can see buj sincerely believing that policying the miller claim day before lylo is optimal

(i just saw him park on someone he was townreading because they claimed scum so)

I guess. That whole post pings me tho. Like, the idea of rushing a post in the middle of the meeting to make sure your town read gets out there a week or whatever before eod? I see a scum motivation for that, but not really a town one outside of exuberance for playing the game~

I could see scum wanting to make sure they were out ahead of them becoming a consensus town read for credit tho

do you think I'm way off base here?

This might be the first thing you've said that's pretty townie, because it's not something I would typically expect scum to come up with for a fake case.

But I posted because I saw a growing wagon on an early miller claim which is a bad strategy imo to lynch miller claims day 1. I townread cinnamon which made it even worse as a push. What was particularly concerning is that it looked like it had real potential to grow because it was being pushed by nero who has a substantial amount of influence in games on average. I had no idea at the time he was fake pushing. I felt at the time that it was urgent enough to warrant publicly opposing the wagon.
I'm not really a watch from afar kind of player.

[NerfedBuJ]

Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

Now that pikachu has been producing content, are you still here?

Yes it's more or less the same.
I would add evilD to the scum pool but I don't like who's voting him so I think that still points to him being town.

I'll laugh at you all when pikachu flips scum though. I mean not even 1 of you voted with me which is pretty annoying.

VOTE: teacher

[NerfedBuJ]

I still don't think the vork wagon happened too fast, but whatever

Also that's not really why i'm viting you, more that i dont really like most of ur posts this morning, and incidentally i wanted to know what u meabt by that post

Personally I don't think that the vork wagon happened too fast exactly, it was more that after you voiced your opinions several people shared similar opinions right after, including townreading me and scumreading vork.

And that would point to you being town and at least 1 scum sheeping you.

[NerfedBuJ]

I would be surprised if flubber flipped scum.
Could the people voting there switch to another wagon?

[NerfedBuJ]

Vorkuta's 100% Accurate Readlist
The first one edition

{Buj, saladman}
{pika, skitter NC}
{urap2, ED, teacher}
{Dunn, Bunny, nom x3}
{Flubber}

That readlist is all sorts of weird.

Nullish line

Dunn
EvilD
Urap2
Teacher
Pika

Scum

The rest are all town

[NerfedBuJ]

As for the rti thing that's just some weird shade. It's like you can't just accept I townread you you have to do something sneaky.

She plays at different times than I do and she was vla a lot this game. Also I don't force conversations. I don't have a way to really explain why you're town to me. I've slso not given this game that much attention. My motivation fluctuates. Especislly when I don't feel my reads changing at all despite other people not agreeing. Like we're definitely at an impasse as town and so the importance of lynching right day 1 becomes significantly less. We just need info at this point to change it up a little have people say new things.

[NerfedBuJ]

I don't have a way to really explain why you're town to me

I didn't finish this thought. This read seems to be the biggest difference between my reads and hers so it's the most natural one to talk about with her but I still don't really know what to say about it.

Best I can do is say that I'm not seeing any sort of scum agenda that wouldn't backfire on vork. Also the AtE posts feel genuine even if they're super manipulative and inaccurate at times (like the ones about me I pointed out). But also vork is making waves and rocking the boat in a not so subtle way and that seems pretty townie to me

[NerfedBuJ]

Shoshin who are you and what have you done with shoshin?

Shoshin has never townread me AND agreed with such a high proportion of my reads before. We seem to disagree only Pika right now. Hell has frozen over, it's armageddon, the site and the world will end, but if shoshin is town here, which she probably is, then scum might as well concede right now they're caught.

Heck even if she's scum I'm not even mad. It's so much more pleasant not being called 'out of touch with reality' by her.

[NerfedBuJ]

This is a good last game ever

[NerfedBuJ]

Yeah shoshin for the sake of not losing all respect I have for you because you're really cool as a person, I said that for the benefit of others here, not you because I have no intention of discussing our in-game relationship. Nothing good will come out of it. At least not for me and I'd rather not replace out.

[NerfedBuJ]

You scumread Pika, Buj?

Yeah

Also I think saladman is playing scummy on purpose and if he's scum that would be funny as hell. But he's been leantown for me since the start tbh.

[NerfedBuJ]

I just don't think he's being as perceptive as you're saying. I think gamestate kind of proved I was town because at some point everyone townread me except urap and vork. And that point came very quickly after skitter townread me.

But urap, who speaks about gamestates and how they're affecting his reads has missed that completely, continuing his attempt to mislynch me while throwing out a few posts here and there about others when his sole purpose has been to shade me as is pretty obvious by how quickly he brings up my name everytime he talks about someone else.

Despite this pika has softened and started flipping on his townread of me based on urap's case as far as I can tell. And get this calling me scummy for not directly engaging him when he hasn't either. He was happy just calling me town and I was likewise happy just calling him scum. If that were indicative of anything then it is scummier to ignore the person you townread who'a scumreading you than if you ignore the person you scumread who'a townreading you. So that's a little weird that he's trying to argue the opposite point.

[NerfedBuJ]

So in summary, if urap was legitimitely analysing gamestates he would townread me.
And if pika was legitimitely sorting me he would argue with urap, or at least not start to doubt his own read based on urap's case on me.

[NerfedBuJ]

The rest of it just kind of boild down to their tone feeling off. But that was the early game and since then there's been juicier stuff.

[NerfedBuJ]

Pffffff

Nom you haven't actually given us any convincing reason why the claim is bullshit.

Also shoshin, nom, vork are 100% town.

Skitter, saladman and nero are very probably town.

My reads on page 12 were awesome. I didn't change them much in page 30 something or whatever it was, and I still don't see any reason to change them now.

Like seriously sho is terrible at scum. She got caught in day 1 and basically gave us her partner on a silver platter in scientific mafia.
You don't just get 20 times better at scum in a day. Unless she's playing many many games off site this just isn't scum!shoshin.

But even if none of that is true there are such obviously more scummy slots in this game like come on.

Vote teacher.
Nom you're worrying over nothing. We have a very viable counterwagon and shoshin can't win as scum here.
It's okay for the game to last longer to make sure you're right. Hurrying up is unnecessary. Just get your reads in early in the game for the post-game smack-talking.

Towns really need to focus on winning the game more than lynch accuracy. Lynching scums in a row early on is absolutely worthless when a deepwolf will endgame it.

Pedit - I'm not scared that's rediculous I just don't want to lynch someone I think is very likely town. Make her self-vote or hard claim scum and then I'll PL because I'm predictable like that.

[NerfedBuJ]

And shoshin I have priorities thank you very much. I wasn't up to date on this game and was posting on my main instead. I very rarely post without reading, it doesn't really contribute anything and I wasn't free or motivated to catch up until today, so that's why there's a lack of activity.

Also I wasn't even gone that long in the grand scheme of things you've just spammed up the thread giving the illusion of more activity than there actually was.

[NerfedBuJ]

Ftr I've never seen scum!nero... I mean I kinda just assume he is better at it than just lurking and sheeping and calling PRs fake.

[NerfedBuJ]

I mean she could still be telling the truth though.
Also she's town. That part I'm sure of even if she isn't cop.

[NerfedBuJ]

Can you get into why Pika is town? I really don't know why most of the players townread them.

Like atm I really cannot see anyone being scum outside of teacher/pika/urap except maybe dunn flubb or nero but like one of the first 3 has to actually flip town for me to even consider someone else.

[NerfedBuJ]

I mean she could still be telling the truth though.
Also she's town. That part I'm sure of even if she isn't cop.

How is she town?

Because she just wasted what like 2 days of her life, pissed off everyone, made a claim that will never survive as scum, all for what.. to live one? Two? More days. Or to save her buddy teacher? Or what exactly? Like what is the ultimate motivation or agenda. Brag about how she saved a doomed slot one extra day? Brag about how she became top 3 poster in 24 hours?

Where is she going with it? Who the fuck is her partner that is worth her going through all this trouble?

[NerfedBuJ]

And I think any halfway decent liar knows not to change details in your story to people who already don't believe you.

She already claimed cop and half the game didn't believe her. She just doesn't double down on the cop claim but add some modifiers that's super weird reaction. So truthfully one of your biggest reasons for you scumreading her is a town tell imo.

[NerfedBuJ]

Maybe she is scum night 1 triple barrel shotgun vig and she can kill 4 towns tonight that's why she needs to live so badly.

But this is the normal queue

[NerfedBuJ]

Maybe she is scum night 1 triple barrel shotgun vig and she can kill 4 towns tonight that's why she needs to live so badly.

I forgot to add multi-tasking. Please don't judge my math.

[NerfedBuJ]

But she was bad in a completely different way to this.

Her reads lacked any sort of depth. She shaded and scumread me for making some really strong points and reads, but her argument wasm't to try to paint me as scum, she attacked my logic and misrepped my posts so it came off horrible. And she made obvious associations.

Now I understand that from your pov you think she made obvious associations with vork, but a) that's not what I saw and b) pretty sure vork is town.

I'm not overly concerned with us not seeing eye to eye your view of the entire game is really different to mine atm. But seriously let's not lynch skitter. Like my goal isn't to convince you that she's town. I am incapable of that and it's way too much effort for now and not even necessary. My goal is just to show you that there is a legitimate reason to have reasonable doubt about her being scum here, and if so there is absolutely no reason to lynch a cop claim day 1.

Under different circumstances and if there were more stronger reasons to scumread the player I'm not opposed to lynching a PR claim as a policy. I tend to have Policies on lynching more than I have policies on not lynching specific things.

Pedit - shrug I don't know.. that would be really weird to me considering the people who weren't around and weren't active were me, skitter, dunn and I don't really know dunn but I am almost certain that scum!shoshin would NOT be worried about a lolhammer from town!us3

And even less reason to be afraid of being hammered if she knew scum were not on the wagon. Which would kinda point to vork being town here in the event that shoshin is actually scum because as far as I recall he wasn't voting her

[NerfedBuJ]

The fear is way over the top. That is true.
But it doesn't make sense from scum perspective tbh. And that would make it purely AtE.

In which case she would be acting nervous and scared but in reality be much more calm and composed and thus would not panic fake claim cop.

Ergo, cop claim probably true. And if not she's still not scum. This is either some "I'm awesome I can do whatever gambit I want" town gambit, or she really is cop and she outed herself sadly

[NerfedBuJ]

And on a personal note don't make lynch for self-lynch deals. From my experience they never work and honestly are probably just stupid because you lose two townies as town and as scum you paint a big ol' scummy X on your forehead.

[NerfedBuJ]

Buj, please vote Nero.

He's literally the 6th scummiest person if I were forced to put them in order.

So no. Not day 1

[NerfedBuJ]

Buj, please vote Nero.

He's literally the 6th scummiest person if I were forced to put them in order.

So no. Not day 1

Actually I kind of flip flop with my replacement scumreads. My first team scum pool is solid.

Dunn / Flubb / Nero I guess I fluctuate on who's townier.

So nero is between 4th - 6th scummiest

[NerfedBuJ]

Kind of just hoping we will just win before having to lynch someone on the bench

[NerfedBuJ]

Why are you townreading Nero, Buj?

I dunno like I see how he's different from other games, but he also feels very similar at the same time in terms of like 'nero energy'. He has the same sort of antagonistic ignore scumreads attitude, joke around here and there that I've gotten quite used to.

His responses to my direct questions regarding vork and cinnamon were satisfactory in that I'm convinced it CAN come from town nero. I feel his approach towards nom and his early reads were similar enough to mine that it doesn't feel off.

There are good reasons to suspect nero. Maybe more so from my pov than anyone else's with my history of interacting with nero. But both he and I have evolved our game, and it'd be naive to think someone will play town the same way all the time. Especially when we just recently had a game where me, nom, and nero were all town and we lost because town had WILDLY different approaches to the game and reads. From just my last few games with him it is very possible that nero is a little burned out from being like top poster tunnel your scumreads to death and take over every page of the game kind of play and has taken a more passive approach. I know it's unwise to make excuses like that, but these things do actually happen, he's just as human as the rest of us and because of that I think any sort of read that centers around activity or his more passive approach to pushing scumreads might not actually be AI.

So I guess it boils down to I don't hate everything he's done this game, some of his earlier scumcases have been pretty damn good actually, and there's some subtle similarities to his town mentality, and last but definitely not least THERE ARE WAY SCUMMIER SLOTS THAT HE HIMSELF HAS PUSHED and if they flip scum I think it would clear him.

[NerfedBuJ]

Lying dirtbags

I do townread nero.

[NerfedBuJ]

"I can see why some people would think he is scum but he is not scum" - said BuJaber

"BuJaber called nero midrange scum" - said People who "can" read.

[NerfedBuJ]

And stop trying to dictate wagons.

I've been sitting on scummy teacher forever, before that on urap and now you tell me that there are only 6 viable wagons none of whom is teacher and one of them is urap who nobodywanted to lynch earlier??

Nero is 3rd top wagon on town. That's 3 top wagons scum are trying to frame into counterwagons when in reality they're all on town.

[NerfedBuJ]

I know what you're doing DP and shoshin if nero flips town you want go rob me of the credit.

Shoshin does it because of ego.
DP does it because I nailed the scumteam in page 12 and he doesn't want people to know my reads are good.

[NerfedBuJ]

And nom let's not talk like it's the apocalypse. It's day 1. Let us make a mistake if we have to. I'm not saying lynch a townread but calm down with the defeatism.

I'm sorry for every defeatist post I've made in past games. I can see how annoying it is. When it's near lylo and we've had 2 or 3 mislynches then we can start talking that way. You know it as well as anybody. I started spouting this kind of attitude after Axe mislynched 3 townies and yeah we did lose that game as town but even in lylo we still had a decent enough chance at winning. Let's not lose the war before we've even lost a single battle.

[NerfedBuJ]

Main takeaway from my posts is if y'all end up lynching one of nero/vork/flubb and whoever it is flips town, DO NOT take that to mean that one or two of the other two are scum. Wagon analysis is misleading sometimes because it is manufactured by scum. This is one of those times.

Pedit - my read accuracy is also strongest early on and when I don't doubt myself too much. Check out open 755.
However we're disagreeing here on at least 2 players. So one of us is not having a strong game. Yes it could be me but it also could be you and either way that doesn't make either of us any worse at the game and doesn't mean town will lose. Disagreement is normal and healthy. Mislynching day 1 is not the end of day. Heck I think I read somewhere that statistically it improves town odds.
But regardless if shoshin is scum whe won't be left alive forever.

Pedit 2 -- answering separetely

[NerfedBuJ]

DP does it because I nailed the scumteam in page 12 and he doesn't want people to know my reads are good.

Your page 12 solve has at most 2 scum in it and very likely between 1 and 0, but that's okay because that's par for your day 1 play. Acting like you're gods gift to scumhunting is not a good look when you are barely interacting with people at all in real time and asking very few actually interesting questions which is atypical of you.

You're getting really good at wagging your dick around though in a game with 0 flips. Accuse me of not being able to "read" again and I'll just write you off as a "might as well be scum" read and stop caring about your alignment. Be more of a douche and see if it helps my ability to read you.

Okay word choice matters. Sorry I like to challenge myself to get it right day 1. Also because I've changed my reads in the past and been more wrong than right. I get manipulated by scum. I am a better scumhunter when I don't let people talk to me about how they're town. I'm sorry if you think that's wrong, but historically in my games this has so far been correct. I am weak. My gut is good. My gut is useless. I will lose this game as town. I don't know how to post or interact or read or not get pocketed or avoid NK or avoid lynches. I'm just wasting space in this game. All my previous reads in game have been blind luck. I don't actually type anything. I let a monkey bash the keyboard.

That's my inner feelings responding to your inner feelings bubbling to the surface. Turns out humans are flawed as fuck.

Here is the more nice way to say what I said. This is more in line with the real me in terms of tone and way of talking but not having confidence in reads is necessary to become a good mafia player. I am sorry that sometimes that confidence spills too far into douche range. It isn't done to piss people off. Sometimes it's just difficult to express confidence and reads where you can be convincing and influential while still maintaining your sense of respect for others and humility. In past games when I first joined the site I received feedback saying I was not confident enough and I should trust my instincts more and one time I was even told don't have a childish avatar so people respect you more. It's really hard balancing all the feedback you receive because each person cares about things differently. I guess I am sorry I am beginning to alienate some people recently because I am overcompensating for the past lack of confidence in games to now spouting a bunch of arrogant nonsense.

I fully believe that my reads in some games will be very accurate, and I think to become a good player I need to trust that and believe it especially when I find out I was right game after game. I will try not to overdo it when I post though so it doesn't make me look as though I am ignoring everyone and just playing my own game of ego-stroking. That I promise you is not the intention behind my posts at all.

I think DP is scum. I might be wrong though.
I think DP as scum, wants people to not follow my read because they may influence people to vote him. That would be a reasonably probable scum agenda if I am right about him.

If I am wrong then he has minterpretted my post about nero and my intentions. I apologize for that. I am not the best at expressing myself. I accept that that may cause problems in games, maybe get me mislynched or get others mislynched because I could not adequately defend them. I hope therefore that DP and the rest of the players will bear with me on this and not judge me too harshly if my posts are misunderstood.

[NerfedBuJ]

Now to rexplain those posts on nero.

Let me preface by saying it was specifically worded as a response to shoshin. I was trying to appeal to her by saying that yes I do not disagree that some things nero has done here have been different to things town!nero has done in the past. BUT there are also several things he's done here that are similar to his town game.

Also that despite that and despite me thinking his read on shoshin is wrong and his case on cinnamon was weird I've explained how that is not enough to make him scum because on the other side of that he has also explaind his interactions with vork reasonably, and has made reads and cases that make a lot of sense and that I agreed with. So the conclusion was supposed to be that he is town for these reasons, and despite understanding why shoshin might get scum vibes from him her reasons for scumreading him are not enpugh because they do not take into account his entire ISO.

[NerfedBuJ]

@BuJ I really think DP isn't scum. Do you want to compromise somewhere else?

I think both our top scumreads are screwed in the sense no one is going to follow them and I refuse to be useless, so I just want to consolidate with you I guess. I just want to go some place constructive.

I mean he's still going on about how well he knows me and like he's an expert on my play and abilities but is remaining a secret alt. It's kind of difficult to deal with that. Can't talk meta on your main when your alt is secret.

[NerfedBuJ]

Not all slots are going to be black and white. I think people forget that sometimes and then get mad when they see a slot as black but others see it as white.

[NerfedBuJ]

I'm not even voting DP, Nom. Like everyone townreads them except nero so I'm not going to pursue that lynch. There's still teacher and urap, and the more nullish slots flubb and dunn

[NerfedBuJ]

Skitter is voting urap and I guess some have expressed some interest there.

If teacher isn't happening I'll vote there.

If everyone insists on shoshin or flubber then I'll vote flubber when we're under 8 hours

[NerfedBuJ]

Fwiw I am less passionate and obsessive about explaining myself and convincing people on this account and rely more on stating my reads and reasons when I can and feel comfortable to because that was a personal choice I made when I made the account. Real life is already too stressful and difficult I felt myself stressing more and enjoying games less on her so I made this decision. I'm still learning to do that while still being as effective as possible and that's going to take some time. That partially explains the douchey attitude and the severe drop of ingeractions/activity. It's not something I'm willing to change it's my number 1 rule on the account. But what I will try to do is improve my game within this new playstyle and try to be effective with it.


Pedit - urap yeah saladman is the most drastic change since page 12. He's been more of a confident townread since. Check out my later readlists to see that change. So I agree there and obviously if you're town you will disagree with you being there but that still leaves 2 out of 4 (teacher/urap) and that's still enough to keep looking for a push in those 2 and reevaluate after they flip, don't you think?

[NerfedBuJ]

Vorkuta's 100% Accurate Readlist
The first one edition

{Buj, saladman}
{pika, skitter NC}
{urap2, ED, teacher}
{Dunn, Bunny, nom x3}
{Flubber}

That readlist is all sorts of weird.

Nullish line

Dunn
EvilD
Urap2
Teacher
Pika

Scum

The rest are all town

Pffffff

Nom you haven't actually given us any convincing reason why the claim is bullshit.

Also shoshin, nom, vork are 100% town.

Skitter, saladman and nero are very probably town.

My reads on page 12 were awesome. I didn't change them much in page 30 something or whatever it was, and I still don't see any reason to change them now.

Like seriously sho is terrible at scum. She got caught in day 1 and basically gave us her partner on a silver platter in scientific mafia.
You don't just get 20 times better at scum in a day. Unless she's playing many many games off site this just isn't scum!shoshin.

But even if none of that is true there are such obviously more scummy slots in this game like come on.

Vote teacher.
Nom you're worrying over nothing. We have a very viable counterwagon and shoshin can't win as scum here.
It's okay for the game to last longer to make sure you're right. Hurrying up is unnecessary. Just get your reads in early in the game for the post-game smack-talking.

Towns really need to focus on winning the game more than lynch accuracy. Lynching scums in a row early on is absolutely worthless when a deepwolf will endgame it.

Pedit - I'm not scared that's rediculous I just don't want to lynch someone I think is very likely town. Make her self-vote or hard claim scum and then I'll PL because I'm predictable like that.

Buj, please vote Nero.

He's literally the 6th scummiest person if I were forced to put them in order.

So no. Not day 1

Actually I kind of flip flop with my replacement scumreads. My first team scum pool is solid.

Dunn / Flubb / Nero I guess I fluctuate on who's townier.

So nero is between 4th - 6th scummiest

These posts are showing by changing reads.

So for clarity what I'm working with at the moment looks something like this:

Town: cinn, vork, skitter, shoshin, nom (wouldn't lynch before lylo or guilties)
Townlean: nero, saladman (not comfortable voting)
Scumlean: dunn, flubber (would rather not vote)
Scum: teacher, urap, DP (would lynch)

[NerfedBuJ]

To be honest though I'm quite scared to put vork up that high but I'm 100% sure that's just my personal uneasiness because of his playstyle. I was quite confident of the townread, I don't think the activity drop changes things so far.

[NerfedBuJ]

Yes

But I wasn't thinking I just got mad because the post defending nero was very clearly defending nero to me. I failed to see it from someone else's POV

[NerfedBuJ]

So it looked like an intentional lie to me

[NerfedBuJ]

Why is my play offputting skitter?
I'm giving reads, reasons, and ordering lynches in preference and showing where and how I overlap with other people's reads to see what kind of lynches are viable here for day 1, and sharing, probably even oversharing my thoughts on individual slots with enough content where I've formed a strong read.

I'm also not adding to the spam by repeating myself 100 times.

I'd welcome criticism of my play, but this seems really out of place here.

@Sho - it's kind of too long to read.. I'll do it when I can give it the concentration it deserves. And yeah we can lynch urap if y'all don't want teacher. I've said this. I was just a bit annoyed because we had votes on urap in the early game that went nowhere and people are now wanting that lynch. Like a) where was that willingness before and b) why not teacher.

[NerfedBuJ]

And i'm pretty confident on my read on nero not to the tier of never lynch before lylo, but definitely not lynching day 1 tier.

[NerfedBuJ]

So frankly I kind of went the lazy route and ignored your post because I don't find it constructive to question my current reads without any flips or info yet.

I wouldn't have ignored you if it was the first time you talk about him but like we've already discussed him at length so I don't think it will do us good to argue about him again before any flips occur.

[NerfedBuJ]

I know what you're doing DP and shoshin if nero flips town you want go rob me of the credit.

Shoshin does it because of ego.
DP does it because I nailed the scumteam in page 12 and he doesn't want people to know my reads are good.

idk posts like these i don't much like

That was a direct response to DP and Shoshin interpretting my post defending nero as a post shading nero which I did not like and got triggered by. I'm over it. I shouldn't have reacted that way when I know that I have trouble expressing myself clearly and could be misinterpretted.

[NerfedBuJ]

Just didn't understand why you thought I was off putting here when I've not been any worse than my normal baseline assholishness in-game behavior. Heck maybe even more understanding than normal when disagreeing with nom and shoshin on reads for example.

[NerfedBuJ]

Like DP might be right about my ego getting bigger, which you know I'm not excusing but I guess it can be normal as someone gets better/more experienced. But in terms of aggression and abrasiveness in games I think this account is better than when I played on BuJaber in general. That's because I'm literally trying to avoid situations that could create too much tension/hostility/conflict. Not always successfully but I feel a difference in my play so I'm pretty sure it's been noticeable for everyone else.

[NerfedBuJ]

Okay now I'm thinking skitter could be scum. But it relies on me being wrong on teacher because the sheeping her reads he did like at least 3 times never comes from a scum partner I think.

Just seems like she's been doing more complaining about gamestates, confusing reads, weird posts, and wagons than the normal level I would expect from town!skitter.

[NerfedBuJ]

People who CAN'T be scum together:

Skitter / teacher
Vork / nero
Nom / sho (wow if this is true though am I right, goddamn kodak and scum award for both)

I think I had one or two more hang on

[NerfedBuJ]

People who CAN'T be scum together:

Skitter / teacher
Vork / nero
Nom / sho (wow if this is true though am I right, goddamn kodak and scum award for both)

I think I had one or two more hang on

Oh right cinn/vork

Probably urap/skitter ?

[NerfedBuJ]

People who CAN'T be scum together:

Skitter / teacher
Vork / nero
Nom / sho (wow if this is true though am I right, goddamn kodak and scum award for both)

I think I had one or two more hang on

this is really townie reaching tbh

What does this mean

[NerfedBuJ]

What does this mean

Buj probably town cause I don't think scum just randomly pulls that out of their butt lol

Like if my other reads are garbo I think I can go Cinnamon / NerfedBuJ / skitter30 / u r a person 2 as towncore even if they all think the rest of the block is scum

I mean I think most of those non-team assocs are pretty obvious. I just didn't see anyone mentioning things like that and I'm preeety sure at least some of those pairings ARE being considered as possible by some so it had to be said.

I think early pages might not tell you a lot of concrete stuff about alignment beyond gut most of the time (though gut reads can be very strong/accurate), but in a lot of games they can tell you with huge confidence who is NOT scum together. There's just certain things people aren't likely to say to a partner, and I feel like in the early pages it's much harder to plan interactions, so it's very unlikely that it would be elaborate theater.

[NerfedBuJ]

Okay most of you have had a chance to vote teacher or even state willingness to vote him but like only nom did.

So you win it's between flubb and urap today.

VOTE: Urap

[NerfedBuJ]

She did then unvoted when urap started posting.

It's totally possible to come as either alignment? I'm not seeing what the big deal is

[NerfedBuJ]

I'm still v/la but I'm not waking up tomorrow to a no lynch. Intent on flubber in 3 hours.

You could have unvoted then.

I want nero alive more than flubber.

VOTE: flubber

[NerfedBuJ]

All 12 of you still saved urap. That's messed up.

[NerfedBuJ]

VOTE: nom x3
Failed to get your shoshin mislynch so you killed her because the cop claim was too heavy to pass up

Don't hurt yourself jumping into the shallow end of the pool.

What if, and I'm just spit-balling here. What if you just link my alignment with shoshin. Like, we lynch shoshin and if she's green, you scum read me. When she flips town, though, I get universally town read

I'm a bit peeved you needed shoshin to die first to do this instead of sticking with the urap wagon that was countering two townie wagons.

Yes nero is town.

All jokes aside @shoshin and VOrkuta, nom is not the enemy so please stop.

[NerfedBuJ]

I'm taking command I would much much MUCH rather be the one that puts their foot in their mouth and risking my own lynch to lynch my scumreads than have people blame obvtown for NK's they would NEVER EVER do.

Urap/teacher are scum. 3rd remains to be seen. I'm not convinced yet of DP's innocence, and I absolutely dislike skitter's pov right now, but like DP is vouched for by everyone and seems REAALLY confident of himself that he won't flip scum so I'm accepting it for now.

Urap/teacher or me. I'm not watching town lynch nero or nom. We lose to superior scum, they deserve it. We lose to such an obvious attempt at mislynching shoshin's pushers. No way I'm falling for that bait.

VOTE: URAP2

[NerfedBuJ]

I literally just went with math and townread skitter before her first post because of PoE / simple probability. And I actually might have been unlucky enough to be wrong.
Even math can't be trusted

[NerfedBuJ]

Vork you are either town or you pocketed me well, congrats. Please sheep me

[NerfedBuJ]

you guys know who is really a good vote? teacher.

VOTE: teacher

Tomorrow
Teacher has less influence than urap unless he drastically increases his activity level

[NerfedBuJ]

I'm probably just paranoid and skitter is wrong town not scum, but either way urap is the lynch

[NerfedBuJ]

Don't think it's that black and white
But also I remembered my biggest reason for scumreading teacher was him sheeping skitter. That doesn't work if skitter is scum.

[NerfedBuJ]

Skitter, what do you think of Buj?

Probably town, if so his reads arent great

@vork i'll try but again diff timezones/work

Yes let's insult the only literally ONLY guy who townread both sides of the shoshin argument correctly.

I understand you don't have proof that nom and nero are town yet, but let's not count our 'I told you so' eggs before they hatch, eh?

I was literally the only person not getting pocketed by either side.

Call me scum for having TMI, don't say my reads are bad when I'm reading game states perfectly.

And if you noticed that I never hesitated on the shoshin townread but AT THE SAME TIME NEVER OUTRIGHT STATED THE POSSIBILITY SHE COULD BE FAKE CLAIMING COP, because that's the townie thing to do when you see someone possibly pulling off a gambit as town, not impluing that she might be lying as town.

Now that the gambit is over though, shoshin I don't think that was a good idea. I actually don't think it's a good idea EVER. Like it just depends way way too much on your reads and that any actual cop won't CC (yes CCing is stupid but people make mistakes and to pull a dangerous gambit and then blaming the people playing basic mafia foundations like lynching all liars is NOT okay, so if you had gotten a CC that would have been a disaster. If you had not died, that would have been also sort of bad).

[NerfedBuJ]

And like I'm not even calling you scum, I'm still pretty sure you're town I just won't continue to townread you if your reads and pushes are wildly opposite of mine.

[NerfedBuJ]

Let's not let our disagreement on who's scummier between two scum distract us. I don't really care if teacher gets lynched before urap, but I think urap is more optimal

[NerfedBuJ]

Remind what your read was on flubber yesterdat?

Town town town town, maybe scum if my scumreads are wrong, town, Oh hell you guys don't want to lynch urap, fine let me hammer flubb before nero gets hammered.

That was more or less my transition throughout the day

[NerfedBuJ]

The part where everyone stops voting shoshin to push votes on Flubb, Nero and URAP. We ended with Flubb/Nero as lynchpool and I am like 80% sure Nero is town here, so as I said day 1, what you said and what you advocated for not only made us have a town lynchpool, but also allows scums to come up with a really good night. This is just bad for town.

Explain why nero is town here ... the fact that there was a 2person lynchpool but it ended up on someone who flipped town makes me think the other person has p high scum equity, esp when they tried/did lynch both peopke who flipped town

Like if nero is town explain to me what i'm not seeing

The nightkill.

I dont get it

lol of course you don't

this coupled with the "I TOLD YOU SO" attitude really reinforces everything I think about this game so far. I just think you're scum. Your posts scream "scum agenda" all over.

Nom I'd be careful after you saw the shoshin flip. You were this confident about shoshin too.

Skitter town or scum has seen you disregard all her attempts at defending shoshin and shoshin did in fact flip town.


I just think if both of you like take a step back and actually reread each others posting without the emotional 1v1 aspect between you, you'll be able to see more clearly

[NerfedBuJ]

Lynch preference
nom x3 > dunn > urap2 => teacher
open to a miller policy, and a REALLY REALLY convincing "skitter is powerwolf" case (not from nom obviously) that I'll jump on just for wagon analysis purposes

Skitter is scum if she's alive at 3p lylo.
Not before. Like 2 of her partners have to die first and she avoiding all NK's and then she'd be scum.

Nom is never scum though

[NerfedBuJ]

Isn't it just smarter to lynch in {skitter,teacher} then

Sorry I forgot to respond.

I'm never lynching skitter while teacher and urap are alive.

And if I lynch teacher first and he flips town it doesn't automatically mean skitter is scum. If he flips scum then yes skitter is Town, but I already townread her.

So basically what I'm trying to say is teacher flip isn't that informative. He's just scum with urap, and there is little value in lynching teacher first but some value in lynching urap first to kill any lingering influence he might have

[NerfedBuJ]

Nom I'd be careful after you saw the shoshin flip. You were this confident about shoshin too.

I was also right about Shoshin.
I knew she wasn't cop, and she flipped VT.

I just think Skitter is the lynchpin to the scumteam this game.

That's not the point. The point was because of your conviction that she wasn't cop you decided she was scum and then interprettted everything as a scum agenda and you seem to be doing the same thing now with skitter.

And yes there's a chance skitter is scum but I'm telling you it's a very small chance. And I'm only even considering it because I don't expect town!skitter to have such a different view of the game than mine.

Skitter has smaller ego than shoshin but better reads generally.

You won't catch her as scum by her being bad. You catch her by her being

too

good and subtly pushing weird things

[NerfedBuJ]

Like ironically I think skitter has more chance of being scum WITH nero here than with anybody else.

So basically she's town. Because nero is town. And because she literally got sheeped by half the playerlist as soon as she started posting in day 1. Scum wouldn't sheep their partner that blatantly. They just wouldn't. Not when she townread shoshin. You put these two in the center of attention and town will have questions about why they aren't dead just because of how people tend to treat these two players. And that means that skitter would not be able to endgame if her partners did in fact sheep her and she openly defended shoshin and then killer her n1.

So please. Let's just kill the obvscum so that we can then find the last scum between DP/dunn/saladman

[NerfedBuJ]

Like obviously I'm leaning DP for 3rd scum but that's more my ego talking. Apart from that I could see any of those 3 slots flipping scum.

Of course assuming I'm right about teacher / urap.

[NerfedBuJ]

If i'm going to drop nero for now can you drop dp ... i'd literally bet the game on town!him rn

As I have no interest in pursuing his lynch anytime soon, we can discuss his slots after a few flips and evaluate from there.

[NerfedBuJ]

Skitter has voted vork, me, dean (b4 shoshin), flubber, and me. that's 3 confirmed town. And I think Vork is p likely to be town. her saving grace is some teacher votes she retracted but her reads seem god awful.

Being wrong is not scum-indicative.

And technically only 2 confirmed town. 3 from your pov if we assume you're town.

Day 1 skitter flip flopping is not something to crucify her over.

[NerfedBuJ]

Why cinnamon
I really can't imagine that flips scum

[NerfedBuJ]

Day 1 skitter flip flopping is not something to crucify her over.

but I wanna crucify her. ur no fun. :/

That's what the post game is for.
The real game is crucifying actual scum.
Crucifying townies for being wrong is post game.

[NerfedBuJ]

I diffused conflict instead of being in it for once. Yay for growth.

Nerfedbuj is healthybuj

[NerfedBuJ]

Buj why is nero town again ...

I don't have a better answer than last time.

Game doesn't make a lot of sense with him being scum.
His pushes have been rediculous if he's scum. Like very pro-town and very anti-Nero.

Damn it.. every game.
Sorry.. quoting for the ISO

[NerfedBuJ]

VOTE: Saladman

I wanna see where this goes.

Why can't we just have an easy dayphase for once

[NerfedBuJ]

VOTE COUNT 2.5

Not Voting (2):

u r a person 2, teacher

It's nice when things just fit.

[NerfedBuJ]

You doubted me Vorky?

[NerfedBuJ]

Buj remind me how ur reading cinn?

Quite confident he's town but we might need to PL him before lylo depending on flips

[NerfedBuJ]

Stop fighting the urap wagon.

[NerfedBuJ]

Teacher dies after U r a person 2 flips scum

Can I ask what was going on with you in open 755?

You're like so much more active and on the same wavelength as I instead of pretty much just tunneling me and duck that game.

Anyway I like it

[NerfedBuJ]

Nom cool it with the drugs and stroke thing.

[NerfedBuJ]

Skitter you have too many scumreads.

[NerfedBuJ]

People
Half the game scumreads urap and the other half townreads urap.

Coincidentally each of these sides seem to have similar reads on the other players too.

Lynch urap and force one side to reevaluate.

Like I can't promise I will automatically switch my reads around but it's really unproductive to see us going around in circles.

From my pov none of my scumreads have gotten lynched yet. Apart from brief wagons on urap and teacher day 1 all other wagons have been on my townreads, two of whom have flipped town.

Sorry I chose flubb over nero but to me town!nero is more valuable. Flubber it's just that you're less dependable with the activity level and you were posting drunk a lot and I don't have a good grasp on your grneral reads accuracy.

[NerfedBuJ]

Second, one of your resisters - BuJ - was NOT in my town reads.

This is talking about when exactly.

You've townread me for a looong time and then still had me as a TR but started setting leaving room for doubt and then I'm going to guess you changed your mind when I didn't stop pushing urap and you even in day 2.