Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

This miller push is gross, Vorkuta is making up reasons to continue pushing this and also grandstanding about how confident he should be in this. Nero Cain's play is gross, would vote there too.

VOTE: Vorkuta

[Dunnstral]

Why does them being friendly make the push on them weird?

[Dunnstral]

Vorkuta is wildly scummy

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: teacher

2nd scummiest person, I'm onboard with wagoning this

[Dunnstral]

what don't you like about nero?

The way he was following along with Vorkuta and voting the miller/pr claim

[Dunnstral]

He's reaching for reasons to scumread people, the way he reacts to people who apply pressure to him is scummy, it's hard to believe that he believes what he's pushing

[Dunnstral]

Do you not believe me when I said my push was fake?

Was explaining my read at post 133

VOTE: Vorkuta

[Dunnstral]

skitter30/nomnomnom both look towny to me, and nobody else seems to be concerned with vorkuta, so I think this is a good lynch

[Dunnstral]

where have you even seen scum fake-claim miller 3 different tiems? i don't think i've ever seen that?

In 3 different games
*sighs* at this point I'm arguing just for the sake of arguing I swear

-FL, NK's 2058 Large

triggered really hard

-awestfie, BTXI
-ruirui/fumiki/funaki/whoeverreplaced, NC's 2070 Mini Normal

Do you want exact links with post numbers and quotes?

What do you think of this Nero?

[Dunnstral]

You modded that game, right? Does Vorkuta's story add up?

[Dunnstral]

One of the examples Vorkuta listed has a town miller in it

And it features a town Vorkuta pushing a miller and an ascetic claim all game

And it features a town miller with another power role

Vorkuta does seem different to that game though.

Does anybody else want to read Mini 2070? How come Nero didn't realize that Vorkuta brought up the game he modded that had a real miller in it when trying to show off scum fake claims?

[Dunnstral]

a town miller

3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims

I swear it's like you don't even read
And tchill was doing exactly the same bull shit that morality did in nk's game "ascetic -> miller"

where have you even seen scum fake-claim miller 3 different tiems?

i don't think i've ever seen that?

In 3 different games

*sighs* at this point I'm arguing just for the sake of arguing I swear

-FL, NK's 2058 Large

triggered really hard

-awestfie, BTXI

-ruirui/fumiki/funaki/whoeverreplaced, NC's 2070 Mini Normal

Do you want exact links with post numbers and quotes?

Bolded relevant parts

I did, in fact, read

[Dunnstral]

I did, in fact, read

then you'll see that scum funaki's slot's predecessor fakeclaimed miller as scum AS WELL

Can you point it out?

[Dunnstral]

But yes guys- go read the game where I die hard tunnel an early miller claim that I just outright didn't buy

You definitely didn't die hard tunnel anything that game. This game, yeah. That game? Not really.

[Dunnstral]

Idk if this is normal queue meta or just Dunn but do people really go as far as reading whole other games?

He linked it, would you prefer that nobody fact checked him?

[Dunnstral]

He didn't link it but he named it and I went to search it

[Dunnstral]

Isn't that kind of unnecessary? Earlier games don't really represent a player's meta...

First of all, that's wrong

Second of all, he was the one bringing up the old games to try to justify his current push

Third of all, he pushed on a miller in that game, and pushed on a miller claim this game. At the very least, he'd push on a miller as town I guess, but the way he's going about it here feels different from that game.

[Dunnstral]

More importantly, Vorkuta is deflecting with:

I swear Dunn is just butthurt I vig'd him in over morality in NK2058
so am I

And doesn't know what he's arguing with:

a town miller

3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims

I swear it's like you don't even read

[Dunnstral]

April isn't 3 months ago

[Dunnstral]

I did, in fact, read

then you'll see that scum funaki's slot's predecessor fakeclaimed miller as scum AS WELL

Can you point it out?

Scum didn't fakeclaim miller in that game

[Dunnstral]

-Never accused you of having an agenda before entering the game.

Never accused me of that either, what are you trying to accuse me of?

[Dunnstral]

Seeing as you LOVE this approach: how does your behavior in this game compare to NK2058?
Night and day

It's not though... you're just saying things now

[Dunnstral]

Seeing as you LOVE this approach: how does your behavior in this game compare to NK2058?
Night and day

It's not though... you're just saying things now

[Dunnstral]

Never accused me of that either, what are you trying to accuse me of?

Dunn's push on me is 50% agenda driven & 50% parroting for activity points

:yawn:
read my posts

That's not an accusation of having an agenda

before entering the game

Scum didn't fakeclaim miller in that game

seeing as this is an acceptable way to respond to perceived bullshit this game

k

? They really didn't

Can you not quote a line where they claim miller?

[Dunnstral]

I also don't like how the bottom third of the activity list isn't engaging and I have solid reasons to think 1 or 2 of them might want to lurk it out.

Can you go into this? What are your solid reasons here?

[Dunnstral]

So... am I scum, or am I town that wants to lynch you because of some perceived grudge? What are you trying to argue here?

[Dunnstral]

Wooooow
Skitter's entrance has turned this game into "let's go sheep skitter"

Wagon speed onto vorkuta at around this point didnt feel right

Too fast or stalling?

Fast

Most people voting Vorkuta were people who previously expressed interest in voting Vorkuta

This is some bad analysis, and it seems like you're just defending vorkuta

[Dunnstral]

What reasons would I have to not still scumread vork?

[Dunnstral]

@dunn I mean no scum would make a big fuck up as cinn pointed out at 757.

I don't understand the argument that is being made here for them being town based off of those posts

[Dunnstral]

I think saladman has some bad reasonings but he seems genuine, seems like town to me

[Dunnstral]

"lurker lynch" is better than vorkuta?

[Dunnstral]

Dunn is scumlean cause he still SRs vork despite that we established that vork is annoying but genuine, which is why vork is town. Sorry for the late response, I was commuting.

I don't remember establishing anything?

[Dunnstral]

As far as I'm concerned, continued posting is a waste of time, reading up is a waste of time, we're just posting for the sake of posting now, and to call other people lurkers apparently

[Dunnstral]

I don't really want to lynch teacher/ED

[Dunnstral]

I have 150+ posts in less than 24 hours. If this town can't see that I'm town, this game is lost.

stop spamming

[Dunnstral]

I think lynching Shoshin today is dumb - why is it such a big deal if we wait to see what happens tomorrow?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Suggested alternate wagon

[Dunnstral]

Flubb -- I had been keeping them in scum as a mostly empty slot. I towned them as I scummed you, as I dont think 2 scum lurk in with a town this disjointed.

Implying lurking is some kind of tactical choice as opposed to people not bothering to/not wanting to post

[Dunnstral]

Why not Nero?

Because I don't scumread Nero

[Dunnstral]

Who else are you willing to lynch besides Flubb, Dunn?

Vorkuta

[Dunnstral]

Your earlier posts suggest that you were heading towards a scumread on Nero, Dunn. What changed?

The other 3/4 of the game came out

[Dunnstral]

Why not Nero?

Because I don't scumread Nero

Dunn do you read nero or is he nully?

Townlean, but I'm not confident in it

[Dunnstral]

I know exactly how you feel, Nom. I'm trying to bring the town together onto a scum lynch but it's been a struggle.

This is my problem with you. This feels hella like taunting scum. Like tonally that’s what it is. But I honestly believe this tone is just you being you.

And yes, I k is there is a Nero question pending.

Whenever the "taunting scum" argument comes out it's always awful

It's not something that happens

[Dunnstral]

Salad seems pretty towny to me tone-wise and I wouldn't lynch there

Not everyone is going to have "game advancing content"

[Dunnstral]

Somebody explain why we're not getting a claim out of flubber

[Dunnstral]

I think I'm getting lynched here LOL

already gave my reads so

And what kind of a reaction is this?

[Dunnstral]

Dunn is Nero town?

Why not Nero?

Because I don't scumread Nero

Dunn do you read nero or is he nully?

Townlean, but I'm not confident in it

[Dunnstral]

Anyway that probably means I've been giving salad attention that should have been shared with dunn

This is bad

[Dunnstral]

Well what's the case on Nero anyway?

[Dunnstral]

OK DP - I'll give you that he looks bad there and I am considering him as a possible vote

I don't like Flubber's turn on me where he goes "maybe I should give Dunn more attention"

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: flubber

I read this as a self preservation vote, yes?

He gave intent on you before but then never voted you when others unvoted

[Dunnstral]

Claim roles

[Dunnstral]

Isn't asking to nl here anti-town, nero? Maybe you should just take one for the team?

[Dunnstral]

This conversation isn't going anywhere.

If you're not lynched today, I'll check your alignment tonight.

Noted

[Dunnstral]

Ladies and gentlemen, we got him

[Dunnstral]

I think I'm getting lynched here LOL

already gave my reads so

VOTE: u r a person 2

[Dunnstral]

is anyone here townreading salad at this time?

I am

UNVOTE: u r a person 2

We can slow down here

[Dunnstral]

dunn can we talk

I kinda think my nero case was garbage which is why you saying it made him look bad was kinda ???

and if nero + flubber was t/t then you were kinda slightly pushing both wagons day 1 which concerns me a little bit

am I wrong tho and you were just like 'ya do whatever nero is an idiot but ya lynch flubber' or what was goin on there

Your post about Nero seems fine to me, Idk what you're going on about right now. If I wanted Nero lynched, I'd have hammered him. I don't agree that I was pushing him past the start of the game.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: unvote

Still haven’t remembered the proper way to do that.

Why are you unvoting here?
Alright, this slowed down too hard.

VOTE: u r a person 2
L-2, I hope to get some kind of claim from you soon because there is a lot of pressure directed your way

[Dunnstral]

I think I'm getting lynched here LOL

already gave my reads so

This seems scummy to me because you never claimed a role and are acting like you might be lynched and you seem okay with that. I think as town, even as a VT, you'd expect to have that chance to claim - it would be on your mind, no?

[Dunnstral]

I'm beginning to think the wagons yesterday were TvT; my reasons for scumreading Nero were pretty meh as well. I'd be looking at Dunn, salad, or urap for a lynch today.

Oh yeah, and this post is pretty bad. It also seems like you're just sheeping other recent opinions here?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Saladman

I wanna see where this goes.

It belongs in the recycling bin next to your shoshin vote HEHE

Really though..... why the shift to salad?

Also happy birthday!

Thanks

[Dunnstral]

Cinnamon's spot is hard to read as time goes on.

They claimed to be a pr other than just miller so I'm fine with waiting and seeing if anything happens with that. Shoshin drew the mafia aggression last night

[Dunnstral]

First Normal game, lynched D2.

I see this as an absolute win!

This is kind of the same thing I said about u r a person 2's post from yesterday

[Dunnstral]

Alright, we need both urap and saladman to claim roles here, Imo. I support both of these

[Dunnstral]

Nom isn't scum though

I'd like if there was support behind my notion that urap and salad both need to claim so that we're not left sitting here waiting for them to be inevitably run up. Also, based on the way they were acting, they don't have important roles

[Dunnstral]

skitter

why do you spend so much time engaging with obv!scum
like...
don't make me call this scum theater

You're next

Not today though

[Dunnstral]

Not sure that you're not just being dumb since you're voting urap and lightly pressuring salad, whatever

[Dunnstral]

salad though... like... what did he even do besides NOT join in on this dog-pile?

He made it clear that he expects to be able to be lynched

So he,s likely not a strong town role

He needs to claim because it helps town

[Dunnstral]

Salad? It depends on his claim

[Dunnstral]

Salad? It depends on his claim

I'll be honest I don't like the fact you gave him a "claim direction" with your post in that case.

Notably I originally used that logic with u r a person 2, then later noted that salad was doing the same thing, so if you're accussing me of something, that's not what's happening

[Dunnstral]

I reacted because my first ever game on the site ended with me lynched d2, so I’m getting extreme deja vu.

Can you claim your role? I can see myself voting for you today

[Dunnstral]

The last 4 posts from u r a person 2 have convinced me that he's scum

Anybody else have role info to add? Otherwise, I want to go through with a lynch on this guy

[Dunnstral]

Town
Nom because of shoshin fip

But just because, can you explain your reasoning here? Why does Shoshin flip make Nom town?

[Dunnstral]

And would you vote for Salad today?

[Dunnstral]

teacher, what was with the unvote? Are you just trying to slow the day down or what?

[Dunnstral]

Would you lynch him over salad?

[Dunnstral]

By the way, if I were "tunneled", vork would be dead

[Dunnstral]

I'm beginning to think the wagons yesterday were TvT; my reasons for scumreading Nero were pretty meh as well. I'd be looking at Dunn, salad, or urap for a lynch today.

Are you still browsing or what, by the way? There are votes on Urap, salad, and me

[Dunnstral]

Are you going to vote for Saladman, since their wagon has the most support aside from your own, or are you going to go elsewhere? When can we expect to see a vote from you today?

[Dunnstral]

teacher, it sure sounds like you're playing interception for u r a person 2 right now - I thought you were fine with this lynch?

Bringing up that Vorkuta and I are voting the same thing as me isn't the magic bullet that you guys think it is -- simple answer is I don't really care what he's voting, I'm willing to entertain multiple different options, some of which include Vorkuta as town, and I'm not making pre-flip assumptions, or ruling out bussing, etc.

Saladman, for someone who supposedly scumreads me, you sure agreed to roleclaim based off of what I was saying quickly. This feels like a slip in perspective here... how can you think I'm the 2nd scummiest person in the game, yet claim due to my prompting when you had 2 votes on you? Mind you, if you're town it was beneficial for you to claim there - but can I get your though process?

[Dunnstral]

I know. Why did you listen to me, if you think I'm scum?

[Dunnstral]

Honestly though, this flips green

who?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not sold on the idea that's going around of bad reads from urap --> scum urap. I think it's very possible he just doesn't have the time to reevaluate the game right now.

I don't think that's the extend of why people are voting him, though? And you scumread him before this got brought up... what did you scumread him for earlier, in 2805?

[Dunnstral]

and since they're similarly scummy I'd rather a salad lynch. I'll look back tomorrow to remember why I was scumreading urap day 1.

So... why salad over urap?

[Dunnstral]

Because, again, you look like yet another person to sort of trip over yourself and make up reasons not to vote u r a person 2 here

[Dunnstral]

Detective Pikachu your posting this day phase has been pretty bad... what happened? Why are you pushing on nom now?

nom, I noticed you moved your vote off of salad - can you move it onto u r a person 2 instead of messing with pisskop? I also noticed vorkuta moved their vote off, leaving us at l-3. I intend for u r a person 2 to be the lynch today

[Dunnstral]

Because they're mafia

Why is that what you pause your catchup for?

[Dunnstral]

It's weird by who?

[Dunnstral]

Why are you townleaning him?

[Dunnstral]

I wouldn't have minded seeing if she had a townie reaction but I guess piss has already moved on. Are you townreading her?

Nom? Yes

[Dunnstral]

I don't really like your reasoning for having him as town. I feel my play day 2 has been pretty different from my play day 1, yet you didn't have much to say about that either

[Dunnstral]

Town
Nom because of shoshin fip

But just because, can you explain your reasoning here? Why does Shoshin flip make Nom town?

Still interested in this from you - and knowing your thoughts on salad

[Dunnstral]

Pretty sure his thought process within the first 60 posts of his iso was strongly town indicative.

How so?

[Dunnstral]

I've pointed out numerous instances of opposition... why are you just saying things?

[Dunnstral]

and since they're similarly scummy I'd rather a salad lynch. I'll look back tomorrow to remember why I was scumreading urap day 1.

So... why salad over urap?

I'm not sold on the idea that's going around of bad reads from urap --> scum urap. I think it's very possible he just doesn't have the time to reevaluate the game right now.

I don't think that's the extend of why people are voting him, though? And you scumread him before this got brought up... what did you scumread him for earlier, in 2805?

teacher, it sure sounds like you're playing interception for u r a person 2 right now - I thought you were fine with this lynch?

Bringing up that Vorkuta and I are voting the same thing as me isn't the magic bullet that you guys think it is -- simple answer is I don't really care what he's voting, I'm willing to entertain multiple different options, some of which include Vorkuta as town, and I'm not making pre-flip assumptions, or ruling out bussing, etc.

Saladman, for someone who supposedly scumreads me, you sure agreed to roleclaim based off of what I was saying quickly. This feels like a slip in perspective here... how can you think I'm the 2nd scummiest person in the game, yet claim due to my prompting when you had 2 votes on you? Mind you, if you're town it was beneficial for you to claim there - but can I get your though process?

teacher, what was with the unvote? Are you just trying to slow the day down or what?

Pretty sure his thought process within the first 60 posts of his iso was strongly town indicative.

How so?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE COUNT 2.4

u r a person 2 (4):

NerfedBuJ, Vorkuta, Saladman27, Dunnstral

(L-2)

Saladman27 (2):

skitter30, nomnomnom

teacher (1):

Nero Cain

Dunnstral (1):

Detective Pikachu

Not Voting (3):

Cinnamon, u r a person 2, teacher

VOTE COUNT 1.FINAL

Flubbernugget (7):

Vorkuta, Dunnstral,

u r a person 2,

Saladman27

, nomnomnom, Nero Cain,

NerfedBuJ

HAMMER!

Nero Cain (6):

Shoshin

, Detective Pikachu, skitter30, Cinnamon, teacher,

Flubbernugget

(L-1)

I actually found this interesting. Scum (presumably) killed Sho, out of fear she was really a cop.

Sho had said she was going to investigate Nero in 2604. (WIFOM this all you want -- Im right there with you).

Today, the vast majority of the town!flubber lynch wagon comes together on URAP rather rapidly, and the one of the two off (Nero) has certainly expressed interest/willingness to go there as well.

I actually could grok URAP's reads -- other than the fact that the scum reads on only 2 are lazy, and that he went off wagon for the most likely third scum (Skitter). Looking over normals, there are typically two+ scum on town lynch wagons. But I dont think the reads are necessarily scum!indicative, especially the willingness to reexamine DP.

Here's what I need help with right now, to sort my day: getting a nero townread. Like I liked their early game, but they got "lazy" and demotivated over the course of the game. I also thought they had some of the ate effort to avoid the lynch that Nom criticized in Shoshin.
Of course, today (for me) they are back motivated but pushing town. Finally, I also am still VERY town on Skitter, town on DP, and townlean on Cinnamon.

Those are my difficulties with townreading Nero. But I do agree the NK points towards town!nero, even with all the wifom on that.

If I can get help sorting Nero, I can better assess the wagonomics. Can anybody help?

Confident reads:
Skitter/Nom - towncore.
DP/Vork -- town.

@Dunn - considering your Vork tunnel and my new read there, can you explain why you are voting with him yesterday and now?

How about this post?

[Dunnstral]

Yeah Nero is looking bad right now.

[Dunnstral]

Might not be scum with U r a person 2 fromn looking at his iso

Don't like what he's trying to push right now though

[Dunnstral]

You look bad because I can back up my point of view but for you it's that you "have your own opinions" - like, that doesn't mean anything, acting like people are just sitting here and letting urap wagon build up is actually a misrepresentation of the game state

[Dunnstral]

What am I pushing?

The angle that U r a person 2 is an unopposed wagon with no counters that built up quickly.

It has counters - keep in mind that U r a person 2 himself hasn't voted, so any potential counter wagon could be bigger when push comes to shove.
It is opposed - read my iso if you won't read the rest of the thread, look how many times I bring him up and how other people are defending him
Whether it built up quickly is subjective, but it currently resides at 3-4 votes after 2 days, and everyone seems to find a reason to avoid the wagon

[Dunnstral]

How many people out of that group have since retracted their vote from him? (2)
How many from that group is now actively defending him? (1)

You're also ignoring evidence to push your own agenda here

[Dunnstral]

And just pointing to numbers doesn't really mean anything, do you think anyone that is pushing that is scum? Note that teacher is now against the wagon, he quickly unvoted. Why does it matter if a bunch of town vote for him?

[Dunnstral]

"What's the scum motivation" isn't a magic bullet either

[Dunnstral]

VOTE COUNT 2.7

u r a person 2 (3):

NerfedBuJ, Saladman27,

nomnomnom (2):

Detective Pikachu, Vorkuta

teacher (1):

Nero Cain

Vorkuta (1):

pisskop

Nero Cain (1):

skitter30

Not Voting (3):

u r a person 2, teacher, nomnomnom

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-08 11:00:00)

Game Notes:

- skitter30 is v/la Fridays and Saturdays
- I’m back home and will be posting regular VCs again

Hey where did I go

Fixed!

[Dunnstral]

Ok teacher can be town now

How would a scum U r a person 2 lynch affect your opinion?

[Dunnstral]

"There was a link in that post"

"There is no link in that post"

Then you essentially blame him while pushing that aside -- yeah, that's scummy, you're just arguing with him

[Dunnstral]

So it's just a misunderstanding?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Nero

feel like I'm having deja vu all over again!

I thought your nero case was garbage?

[Dunnstral]

unless you wanna join on nom and get a spicy fiesta going on in here?

Why don't you join on U r a person 2?

[Dunnstral]

u r a person 2 -> teacher -> Detective Pikachu -> Vorkuta -> Saladman (?)

Wins town the game

[Dunnstral]

hmm why don't I join on the one person I have the most familiarity with and where my read is the strongest let me think

Since when is your read the strongest there?

[Dunnstral]

i wouldn't put dp in that list

Their play day 2 is atrocious

[Dunnstral]

Why are people still scumreading Nero

This is an unreal gamestate.

Want to lynch U r a person 2 with me?

[Dunnstral]

I actually have a small suspicion that one of DetPik and Dunn is scum. Anyone else who isnt them think this?

This is a weird post

[Dunnstral]

Saladmann - I still gut town this, tbh but someone has to be scum and this might make sense given the town-made clusterfuck of yesterday

Like jesus christ. That line.

It reads kind of earnest tbh. I wanna iso him and see more before deciding.

Have you come to a decision?

[Dunnstral]

honestly, I fell like scum are just trying to force as many claims as they can today.

And how are they doing that?

[Dunnstral]

Teacher dies after U r a person 2 flips scum

[Dunnstral]

There's no way you think I'm scum with urap or salad

You're not town

[Dunnstral]

Saladman, for someone who supposedly scumreads me, you sure agreed to roleclaim based off of what I was saying quickly. This feels like a slip in perspective here... how can you think I'm the 2nd scummiest person in the game, yet claim due to my prompting when you had 2 votes on you? Mind you, if you're town it was beneficial for you to claim there - but can I get your though process?

What do you mean? I claimed in response to this.

I reacted because my first ever game on the site ended with me lynched d2, so I’m getting extreme deja vu.

Can you claim your role?

I can see myself voting for you today

I know. Why did you listen to me, if you think I'm scum?

[Dunnstral]

so you don't have to be on a town flip.

Now obviously I'm going to get flack for saying that I'm willing to vote urap over myself while thinking urap is town but I have to do what I have to do.

He's not town

Scum teacher doesn't vote you here to "get you to claim" - it's because U r a person 2 is scum

They're probably scum together

[Dunnstral]

skitter30, pisskop, vorkuta, any of you want to hammer in u r a person 2?

[Dunnstral]

I still think URAP's first interaction with me is ai

I'm not sure what you're referring to or when you've made this argument before?

[Dunnstral]

If I hammer can we finally lynch Nero tomorrow?

You're next regardless of if you hammer or not

[Dunnstral]

By the way it's very likely I die tonight if the scum team is any combination of two of U r a person 2, Teacher, Detective Pikachu

And now he's angling for a hider soft on me so when I die he can point to that as the reason and try to make himself look better


Mmmm, Detective Pikachu might even need to die before teacher

[Dunnstral]

above rand reads btw

[Dunnstral]

I am Town Detective Pikachu and I have a night 0 guilty on skitter30.

VOTE: skitter30

Going to stick with teacher before DP but DP has some very not good interactions with teacher and u r a person 2

I'm convinced tha one of teacher/DP has to be scum at LEAST, with both being scum being very plausible

Can somebody hammer? Idk what else people have to say this day phase, flip please

[Dunnstral]

Have you come to a decision?

i have not.

ill make a point to look

Weird that you're not doing this

[Dunnstral]

As in, weird that you won't interact with U r a person 2 wagon

I actually have a small suspicion that one of DetPik and Dunn is scum. Anyone else who isnt them think this?

Also you don't care about this anymore?
Yeah, no, you're the 4th scummiest in my eyes now

[Dunnstral]

Wats the deal with vork and nom? I feel like vork is noms SR but in name only. They arent even engaging thoughtfully anymore. its like watching the two stooges.

Why post this if you don't seem to believe it. Are you saying vork and nom are both scum? Yikes

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VOTE: teacher

Can you at least pretend to have a reason to be doing this?
Or will you pull a Nero cain

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u r a person 2 -> teacher -> Detective Pikachu -> Pisskop -> Vorkuta

Wins town the game

I'm going to be systymatically killing them off in that order, I removed salad since his tone and pushes seem pretty OK, might flip around Detective Pikachu and Pisskop depending on how things go, otherwise I don't really care, would lynch everyone before Vorkuta through claims

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Trouble is, they may be getting replaced?

And?

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Im fairly disinterested in this game rn. nothing is happening.

Trying to slog through all this resistance to lynch scum

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idk what you want.

Id do urap. is that still a thing I can do?

Trouble is, they may be getting replaced?

Looking at this post more I really don't like it

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Trouble is, they may be getting replaced?

And?

several players aren't, you know, playing?

You're not the game mod, you're a player, let the mod deal with low activity folks and you should deal with scummy folks instead

anyway this looks more like trying to pressure people into joining a wagon than hunting scum

I'm done hunting scum as I've just explained
From now on it's pushing lynches through

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Your posting is really bad right now

Might lynch you before Dp

You're first to claim tomorrow in any case

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@Skitter Hammer please

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what the shit can I FINALLY get a nom wagon going?
VOTE: nom x3

You can hammer too if you want

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Yes

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My work here is Dunn

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See you guys next game

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Nom, skitter, bujaber all town

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Investigative be on DP please
Protective role go on NomNomNom please
Vig on Teacher

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VOTE: Detective Pikachu

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Do nero's reada suck this bad usually if he's town?

Yes

Since Teacher died DP is next followed by Pisskop and Vorkuta - follow the order

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They probably suspected that he was a power role

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They probably suspected that he was a power role

What makes you say that?

also [vote}saladman[/vote] Unsure how this slot is still alive.

Because he was pushing u r a person 2 all day

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VOTE: saladman

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Also I want an explanation on that pk vote.

Read the last page from day 2?

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Early interactions. His first 80 posts was all about vork, he was clearly trying to get a mislynch on the most obvious scum read.

So why can't vork be scum?

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Early interactions. His first 80 posts was all about vork, he was clearly trying to get a mislynch on the most obvious scum read.

So why can't vork be scum?

Because it's too obvious. It's too easy of a lynch.

This isn't a real reason

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Early interactions. His first 80 posts was all about vork, he was clearly trying to get a mislynch on the most obvious scum read.

More like 32 posts, by the way, but who's counting? Saying 80 is pretty sensationalist, I definitely wasn't talking about him for THAT long yet you keep going back to it well after I've stopped talking about it.

Saladman, for someone who supposedly scumreads me, you sure agreed to roleclaim based off of what I was saying quickly. This feels like a slip in perspective here... how can you think I'm the 2nd scummiest person in the game, yet claim due to my prompting when you had 2 votes on you? Mind you, if you're town it was beneficial for you to claim there - but can I get your though process?

What do you mean? I claimed in response to this.

I reacted because my first ever game on the site ended with me lynched d2, so I’m getting extreme deja vu.

Can you claim your role?

I can see myself voting for you today

I know. Why did you listen to me, if you think I'm scum?

Can you provide a response to this? If you think I'm scum, why did you listen when I told you to claim your role yesterday?

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I don't remember seeing a lot of Vorkuta pressure when U r a person 2 was being run up, though. How is it even too easy of a lynch?

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Town	Buj, skitter, Vork
Townlean	Cinn, nom, DP , Teach
Neutral	Nero, Flubber, Deanius, Urap
Scumlean	Dunn
Scum

Dunn is scumlean cause he still SRs vork despite that we established that vork is annoying but genuine, which is why vork is town. Sorry for the late response, I was commuting.

I thought you guys 'established' that he wasn't scum day 1, though? That doesn't sound like a lot of flak to me

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He's asking you if you have proof which you obviously don't. I think we are the only two town in this setup.

I think saladman is town, too =/

This kinda stuck out to me... I only posted once and he already TRed me, no one TRs me this early.[/quote]

How come this wasn't something you noticed on day 1, but you started talking about it near the beginning of day 2?

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Well, to be slightly useful... VOTE: Urap

He's asking you if you have proof which you obviously don't. I think we are the only two town in this setup.

I think saladman is town, too =/

This kinda stuck out to me... I only posted once and he already TRed me, no one TRs me this early.

This*

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If I was scum, I would have shot you over Sho. Because you were pretty clearly softing being informed.

Protective role go on NomNomNom please

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VOTE: pisskop

You don't look like scum right now though, to be fair

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That is, Detective Pikachu doesn't

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Teacher seemed to think the claim was fake, so it's possible he chose to protect elsewhere

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My theory is that scum have no roleblocker, and so assumed the setup wasn't follow the cop, and so aimed at Shoshin - except instead of there being no doctor, the cop claim was fake, and the doctor just happened to aim elsewhere - and town has a weaker main investigative

I don't think mafia are informed about there being no cops/investigatives, frankly that would be a weird setup to run

I'm keeping in mind that there is a miller claim, as well

I don't think we need to dig too deeply into setup speculation right now though - there should probably be a mass claim happening tomorrow

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Heyo- I'll get back to sorting and reading in a bit but like.....
why aren't we all still voting nom x3?

A dayvig reset the votecount, urap flipped scum

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If there was a second kill there would be 5 alive next day if we lynched today and nothing was blocked

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The probability that skitter is deepwolf-ing scares me, especially because there's the communal "expectation" that she'll solve the game for us,

Not sure what you're talking about

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Why did you begrudgingly town read him? Why was that so hard to accept?

Because I want to say theyre so active because they are pushing an agenda?

It's sort of amusing that I'm seen as "so active" this game

UNVOTE:

I'll think about the game, I'm not scumreading skitter right now

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I don't agree with a massclaim today

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Also urap doesnt make sense as a urap partner really

Yeah probably not

Massclaiming is a bad idea.

Dunn help me out here, I feel a bit lonely.

What do you need help with

I'm trying to figure out where I want to vote today

I think

If this game was decided based on what you think, town would have lost by now

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Do nero's reada suck this bad usually if he's town?

Yes

Since Teacher died DP is next followed by Pisskop and Vorkuta - follow the order

*inhales*

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I've changed my mind on Detective Pikachu, I think they're town

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What do you need help with

I'm trying to figure out where I want to vote today

I want to know if my reasoning is bad and discuss with someone I don't have overwhelming paranoia about.

I don't really think skitter is scum, for whatever reason. Maybe I don't have a good grasp on how she would play as scum, she feels like town to me t hough. Maybe I should be rethinking salad for scum

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I've changed my mind on Detective Pikachu, I think they're town

What do you think of my triplet analysis and would you be willing to vote Skitter with me

I don't feel good about voting skitter right now

The triplet thing for me is whether I want to vote pisskop or not

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I've changed my mind on Detective Pikachu, I think they're town

What do you think of my triplet analysis and would you be willing to vote Skitter with me

I don't feel good about voting skitter right now

The triplet thing for me is whether I want to vote pisskop or not

What's your analysis right now?

I think he's the least likely to flip scum out of the 3 but he's there in my triplet so yeah.

I'm just rethinking reads based on reaction today

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there were TWO kills night last so a ml today and 2 kills tonight spells utter doom 4 the town.

No it doesn't

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Stop softing roles too

Vig shooting tonight brings us to odds, nl denies that. If vig can't shoot then whatever, we can nl next day - it doesn't make sense for today

Massclaim is also tomorrow

We don't have the liberty for nero/vork/salad to all be town playing like garbage, we need 5 votes out of 8 for this lynch, easiest way to reasonably get a scum lynch right now is for it to be on one of you guys

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He seems willing to believe that Skitter-Vork can't be a thing to me

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but the numbers are. A lynch today means we go into a 4:2 lylo tomorrow with no room for error. A nl today we go into 5:2 tomorrow and if we ml then the game isn't over yet. At that point we'd go into 3:2 lylo. Math is on my side so take your manipulative BS elsewhere.

How can you know that there won't be another kill tonight, taking it to 5 people alive?

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The numbers are NOT on your side

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Idk i asked dunn last night but he didnt answer me yet

@dp would u vote nero?

About nero? I'm not really feeling him being scum

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Dunn, I dont quite get why you sr skitter. i also havent read your iso, but Im looking more for things like 'gut' 'the switch from x to y' and things like that.

I never said I scumread skitter

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(And I don't)

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I think I’ve squeezed out my usefulness, so I might as well VOTE: Salad to help osmewhat.

Why are you voting for yourself?

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Salad needs to explain why he is voting himself

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Pretty sure skitter isn't scum, and it's not scummy to be at a little lost on what to do right now

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i'm still p confused why we aren't wagonign nero ... ?

Isn't he out of his scum range?

How is he out of his scum range?

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Dunn can u vote please?

But who

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VOTE: Saladman27

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VOTE: Saladman27

Why? I'm the last person you would vote for...

Spoiler: Quotes

VOTE: Saladman

I wanna see where this goes.

It belongs in the recycling bin next to your shoshin vote HEHE

Really though..... why the shift to salad?

and since they're similarly scummy I'd rather a salad lynch. I'll look back tomorrow to remember why I was scumreading urap day 1.

So... why salad over urap?

u r a person 2 -> teacher -> Detective Pikachu -> Vorkuta -> Saladman (?)

Wins town the game

u r a person 2 -> teacher -> Detective Pikachu -> Pisskop -> Vorkuta

Wins town the game

I'm going to be systymatically killing them off in that order,

I removed salad since his tone and pushes seem pretty OK

, might flip around Detective Pikachu and Pisskop depending on how things go, otherwise I don't really care, would lynch everyone before Vorkuta through claims

VOTE: saladman

:shifty:

I'm not really looking to lynch those other guys anymore (maybe vorkuta) so I'm reevaluating

Your play is starting to show that your reads don't change at all with new content in the thread

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VOTE: Vorkuta

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UNVOTE:

What was with this

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VOTE: Saladman27

Skitter is a bad lynch

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By the way we have 18 hours

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How come we thought Nom was telling the truth about gunsmithing u r a person 2 on night 1 when they came into day 2 voting for Skitter and Salad, and only moved to u r a person 2 after being persuaded by other people?

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Oh, for some reason I had it in my head that you said urap and nobody corrected me

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Yeah I checked urap and then sort of guided him into claiming vt