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Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:37 am

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Hello again to nom x3, Buj, Skitter, urap2, Dunn, NC, and Pika
Heyo to the rest of you!

I am ending RVS right here and right now
VOTE: No Lynch
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Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:09 am

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In post 7, EvilDeanius wrote:Please designate your best player so I may vote them to assert dominance
Skitter has a banner under her name so that puts her ahead of most of us I think.
In post 8, Cinnamon wrote:I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.
AHAHAHHAHAAAAA
No.
VOTE: Cinnamon
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Post Post #14 (isolation #2) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:23 am

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Off the top of my head, my experience is with them is at like...
3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims
And the fake claims were quite traumatizing and painful

I also don't like the "newbie appeal" that cinnamon put into his fakeclaim as a finishing touch and cherry on top.
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Post Post #22 (isolation #3) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:17 am

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I am PGO
Originally this game was a Large with 14 players but someone N0 targeted me so orfhz just turned it into a mini

Just.....
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Post Post #30 (isolation #4) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:44 am

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In post 29, Detective Pikachu wrote:pika pika pikaaa pika pika pikaaachuuuu pika pika
Oh boooy
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Post Post #32 (isolation #5) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:57 am

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*sighs*
@Skitter, can you kindly confirm that
Night 0 actions are not normal and can't be possible in this game
you didn't kill pika's partner last night?

I liked it better when we weren't in RVS
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Post Post #34 (isolation #6) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:13 am

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I too, played bioshock and enjoyed it.
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Post Post #42 (isolation #7) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:37 am

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Pika is a very high-ranking member on this site so let's ignore that.
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Post Post #61 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:16 am

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-Nothing is stopping Cinnamon from being Miller & another PR
-If the setup guys were drunk they could make him "Odd-Night" Miller (investig shows him as cop during even nights, and scum during oddnights)

OR

He's scum who's fake claiming and is just trying to add a twist on the tried-and-tested "hi im miller" recipe
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Post Post #64 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:18 am

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w/e. scum fake claiming
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Post Post #76 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:45 pm

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NC with the misrep oh no what scum
/s


I want to weigh in here: Bunny's alleged newbiness/lack of experience does not make the miller fake-claim any less valid
-the miller claim could've been planned out before hand and coordinated (coaching)
-the confusion could've been deliberate and for show
-as a relative newbie (young enough to remember my newbie days), I totally would've miller claimed and thrown up my hands in confusion in my first ever games (had I actually ever rolled scum :()
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Post Post #78 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:56 pm

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We send bunny to gulag now, yes?
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Post Post #81 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:00 pm

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Is fake claim yes. Correct.
/s


I mean come on just ISO me or something
Spoiler:
In post 10, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 7, EvilDeanius wrote:Please designate your best player so I may vote them to assert dominance
Skitter has a banner under her name so that puts her ahead of most of us I think.
In post 8, Cinnamon wrote:I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.
AHAHAHHAHAAAAA
No.
VOTE: Cinnamon
In post 14, Vorkuta wrote:Off the top of my head, my experience is with them is at like...
3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims
And the fake claims were quite traumatizing and painful

I also don't like the "newbie appeal" that cinnamon put into his fakeclaim as a finishing touch and cherry on top.
In post 61, Vorkuta wrote:-Nothing is stopping Cinnamon from being Miller & another PR
-If the setup guys were drunk they could make him "Odd-Night" Miller (investig shows him as cop during even nights, and scum during oddnights)

OR

He's scum who's fake claiming and is just trying to add a twist on the tried-and-tested "hi im miller" recipe
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Post Post #85 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:15 pm

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/confirming

All dissidents will be put on a list
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Post Post #89 (isolation #14) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:58 pm

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Hm- the bunny seems to have some fight left in him.
I will crush it.
In post 87, Cinnamon wrote:I've played probably 100 games or so IRL.
Newbie card revoked. Noted.
In post 87, Cinnamon wrote:It's a terrible plan to start with; every miller claim I've seen has lead to something that looks exactly like this where there's tons of pressure on them right when they claim
Your point being? How many miller claims actually get lynched D1? I've seen this- miller claims get a nice buzz of discussion, then people decide to move on and play the game. You're experienced enough to know that town won't tunnel you to death in the first 10 pages or so at which point the ebb and flow of the game will shift in your favor.
In post 87, Cinnamon wrote:Furthermore, as I am extremely new here I think it would be quite daunting to try to fake confusion right at the beginning of the game
The best lies are the ones that have a dose of truth into them. You are new- yes. You're also tapping into that newbiness to fuel your fake miller claim.
HOWEVER- now that you're caught/exposed/pushed, you're steadily dropping the newbie-pretense. This is disharmony and dissonance that does not sit quite right with me.
In post 87, Cinnamon wrote:I'm also basically asking to be lynched at some point as I don't think me being alive late in the game will help town.
Right.
Millers have made it to end game. What's that legendary game where there were 5 legitimate miller claims and they were all honest and 4 of them endgamed that people keep bringing up every time?
Scum fake-claiming millers have also made it to end game. I should know- I fell for almost all of them, typically because I used to rely on big authority figures telling me exactly the same shtick you're pushing.

And let's not forget: you've "MODIFIED" the traditional miller claim- hey your modification brings town utility (because of course it does) and will leave scum guessing (who coached you to say that?) to slightly alleviate the above concerns.

TL;DR- I do not buy this capitalist pig's evil western propaganda.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #15) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:17 pm

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In post 8, Cinnamon wrote:I have no idea how to play this
=attempted appeal at "guys please cut me some slack"
Fine- it's not explicitly "new" so much as "inexperienced with this particular thingamajiggy"
Either way your initial claim and the "follow-up" afterwards does not seem honest and attempts to play at our subconscious
In post 90, Cinnamon wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by "leave scum guessing", I don't believe I said anything to that effect. Could you elaborate on that? Other people, such as Nero Cain, may have commented to that effect instead.
Oh come on.
"just because I didn't come out and say it and let some one else say it for me, means that this mechanical point is completely moot and invalid"
But I'll bite.
You're slightly modifying the traditional miller fake-claim (which might be a bit too old/stale for your liking idk) with a bit of spice "I'm a MODIFIED miller gaiz".
By not claiming the modifier, you're injecting a LAMIST aspect to your claim by (allegedly) making "scum" waste their time and scratch their heads. It's great.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #16) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:18 pm

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In post 91, Nero Cain wrote:comrade vork seems to be
b orhe
. Must use fire extinguisher.
The fire within burns strong and red like our revolution!
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Post Post #106 (isolation #17) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:38 pm

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In post 101, Cinnamon wrote:My reason for saying that was actually more of an appeal to mechanics rather than the subconscious
o_0
"LAIMST, I have this role that I don't know what to do with, so I'm hoping EVERYBODY SEES how hard I'm trying to reach
my
town!winconf with this role!!!"
In post 101, Cinnamon wrote:I can certainly see your point.
Boom.
In no universe does town ever agree with me here.
You are doing everything you can to appease the red giant and get me off your case at any cost.
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Post Post #109 (isolation #18) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:45 pm

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In post 108, Cinnamon wrote:the easternmost town in Europe
what the shit?

I never knew that o_0
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Post Post #137 (isolation #19) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:03 pm

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I found it prudent to back off seeing as quite a few people haven't weighed in on this yet.
Your defense of the miller claim and refusal to provide commentary on any of my arguments is noted @dunn.
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Post Post #146 (isolation #20) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:39 pm

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10/10 totally town entrance for you Buj.
As always.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:44 am

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In post 157, u r a person 2 wrote:What specifically didn't you like about his entrance?
-Nice RVS vote he placed there to let us know where his suspicions lie (oh wait)
-Scum reads me for merely breathing in this game thread
In post 145, NerfedBuJ wrote:I don't think that's how lying looks like.
*sighs*
I liked it more when buj had a nice and friendly duck on his team to do damage control.

pedit
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Post Post #169 (isolation #22) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:00 am

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I only have a newbie game with urap2, but he said something in there that was memorable
"From a meta standpoint, friendliness should be town read (def not scum read at least) if for no other reason than as a quality of life improvement"
then again he copped 2 guilties in a row

I naturally scum-read his playstyle of "peaceful/neutral/politcal arbiter and peacekeeper", but it's in line with what I have from him
Just like I naturally scum-read Buj's warm and fluffy nature
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Post Post #175 (isolation #23) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:09 am

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In post 174, nomnomnom wrote:This is the best work I can come up with chief.
Low effort, 0/10, would not buy
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Post Post #177 (isolation #24) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:24 am

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In post 172, u r a person 2 wrote:show work please
In post 173, nomnomnom wrote:I am voting scum dude what are you on about
In post 174, nomnomnom wrote:This is the best work I can come up with chief.
such work
much wow

Like- the fake-miller push is pretty damn nicely laid out and argued- that was WORK.
This uhh.... pales in comparison imho.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #25) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:27 am

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My bunny push is well laid out, argument-ed, my reasoning is explained quite well, and I take down some of the opposing arguments.

Your urap2 push is bad and low-effort as your entire case on him is "passive"
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Post Post #183 (isolation #26) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:30 am

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In post 176, BuJaber wrote:ngl Vork the rating system you got going on seems scummy

And you were pushing the miller claim as fake.
in response to this
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Post Post #190 (isolation #27) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:38 am

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idk I read Buj's quoted post as him trying to accuse me of setting a double standard as my rating system is 10/10 working as intended
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Post Post #194 (isolation #28) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:45 am

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Filthy western spy, keep your dirty capitalist fingers away from comrade NC
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The ratings are tongue in cheek to express my disapproval for nomx3's bad push on urap2 that I just don't buy.
I also don't buy modified miller bunny.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #29) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:01 am

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That's how I play
I try and stop on BS hard and early when I see it
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Post Post #214 (isolation #30) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:13 pm

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Help me understand this- you're wagonning a town read.... for associatives... with no intention to follow through on it... because he's a townread.....
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Post Post #231 (isolation #31) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:29 am

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Reminder that
In post 194, Vorkuta wrote:The ratings are tongue in cheek to express my disapproval for nomx3's bad push on urap2 that I just don't buy.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #32) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:43 am

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Fuck it- my meta read on urap2 is based on a newbie game anyway, and seeing where this wagon leads us is interesting
VOTE: urap2
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Post Post #234 (isolation #33) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:44 am

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@L-2
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Post Post #241 (isolation #34) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:05 am

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He's "questioning" "mediating" "big picture friendlying" and a" bunch of other words " without providing too much AI info at this stage.
Granted it's really early and maybe he needs time to rev up a bit
do lumberjacks do that with chainsaws?
, but he gut pings me as scummy for his playstyle.
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Post Post #244 (isolation #35) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:10 am

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Dilemma
>wanting to lynch a scummy playstyle
>knowing that town!X has this scummy playstyle

Applies to Buj as well
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Post Post #247 (isolation #36) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:21 am

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In post 245, nomnomnom wrote:BuJ and Urap do not play the same at all.
However their (individual) playstyles are scummy to me for different reasons.

I've dealt with urap2
Buj is just coarse/melodramatic/blunt and sets off 'powerwolf' pings
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Post Post #251 (isolation #37) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:24 am

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In post 241, Vorkuta wrote:do lumberjacks do that with chainsaws
o_0
Such wk/chainsawing

Where are my "bad arguments"?
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Post Post #254 (isolation #38) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:27 am

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I don't need reasons to vote people, especially in D1.
Neither do most people on site (due to uncontested naked votes being status quo)

Plus this is scumhunting and mafia 101
wagons -> associations -> finds -> hops on & off -> flips -> VCAs
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Post Post #256 (isolation #39) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:31 am

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*sighs*
At least I provide people the courtesy of giving them solid reasons that will form my initial scum case on them

It's 100% pro-town as you can see my thought processes/logic (unlike anything you've done this game) on most of the players in the game.
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Post Post #258 (isolation #40) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:36 am

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That was in response to:
In post 253, nomnomnom wrote:too hard to find reasons to vote people
-I don't need reasons
-HOWEVER, even though I have no obligation to, I
generously
give people some so that they don't "o_0 y u scumread me nooo"

My thought process and play-style is quite pro-town, even though it doesn't explicitly need to be, as the alternative is a naked urap2 vote without any ATTEMPT to read the slot
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Post Post #261 (isolation #41) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:40 am

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In post 257, nomnomnom wrote:It's not pro town, you're giving completely two different signals that contradict each other. On a fucking D1 vote.
How on earth am I proving this?
I'm saying that "I'm not obligated to BUT I will anyway"
The 2 signals are not mutually exclusive, but COMPLEMENTARY

Remember the prior slight shade thrown at you for failing to explain your leaps in logic?
Now you're proving MY point :cool:
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Post Post #263 (isolation #42) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:44 am

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You took one harmless and valid explanation to "you're reaching too far" and are blowing it way the fuck out of proportion.
Your reasoning and thought process for trying to push this is disgusting.

Also HYPOTHETICALLY- "ok fine, yes, I contradicted myself, oh no, I see the error of my ways, please guide me to the light"
How does that make me scum?
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Post Post #267 (isolation #43) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:50 am

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In post 248, nomnomnom wrote:the reach is real
The onus is on you to show how this is "opportunism" and not "genuine scumhunting" as I have already more than adequately defended myself.
You're more interested in trying to get me to "slip up" or catching me in a contradiction than actually... you know... making your point.

Also- does scum!vork just go blazing all out for blood for a miller claim, and after it doesn't attract enough attention immediately I try to gut the next best person? (your former scum read, might I add)
Like how bad/desperate for a mislynch (on D1 when not everyone checked in ffs) do you think scum!vork is?
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Post Post #270 (isolation #44) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:52 am

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*sighs*
who is bob, and can I get a link?
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Post Post #272 (isolation #45) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:58 am

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In post 269, nomnomnom wrote:that the over-justification for your vote was a complete contradiction of your usual demeanor
Literally anyone can tell you that every time I vote someone or something I can TELL YOU exactly why I'm voting for that player.
Sure the reasons can be shitty (I sheep, or hopping on this wagon, or 'beetlejuicing'), but in no way is this a contradiction from my 'usual demeanor'
In post 269, nomnomnom wrote:absolutely a scumtell as far as I am concerned
Again- do you think I'm that bad enough to "ridiculously slip up like this" on D1?
Those were my meta arguments; now for the logic bit

You haven't shown me how I'm reaching (by explaining what my flaws are in my urap2's case)
You have yet to show me how a contradiction in my words implies that I'm scum. "absolutely a scumtell" is BS
You're just interested in just trying to catch me on a slip- maybe because you're a reaction-testy player (also a playstyle I don't like),

And of course you'll catch me slipping up: after all you scum read me, so every word I write is a scum tell because of course it is
/s

Come up with real arguments
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Post Post #274 (isolation #46) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:03 am

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Pika hasn't said anything relevant so far (100% fluff) so idk
Teacher hopefully sorts himself out a bit later
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Post Post #277 (isolation #47) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:08 am

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wooooow
just woooooow

Way to completely dismiss my entire case and stop engaging with that.
And of course you will still keep on trying to get me lynched even though you don't have any solid ground to push this from.
VOTE: nom x3
There's townie "ok fine I'll back off, let's look for another person to look for"
and there's
"I WILL GET THIS MISLYNCH AT ANY AND ALL COSTS"

I'm always willing to consider new and different approaches provided that there can be some sort of argument in favor for them, but THIS right here is truly disgusting.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #48) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:10 am

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In post 276, Nero Cain wrote:isn't that at least a slight cause for concern?
-neither has skitter :P
-he's a troll/parody alt so dealing with this slot is going to be very fun. A pika lynch is a policy lynch tbh
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Post Post #282 (isolation #49) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:12 am

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I can get along just fine- nom x3 is just losing the ego battle here so idk what's up on that end.
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Post Post #287 (isolation #50) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:16 am

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In post 283, nomnomnom wrote:mine is bigger than yours
The quality, in both formulation and actual solid logic, of your arguments has dropped off considerably since your initial "youre reaching" push on me, and now you're just openly admitting that you don't have a case on me anymore and this is crossed into personal territory.

I might be guilty of a bit of LAMIST (a thing I do as town anyway), but you're just flailing horribly
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Post Post #293 (isolation #51) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:25 am

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In post 290, nomnomnom wrote:trying to escalate further with jokes is yikes
indeed- yikes
In post 290, nomnomnom wrote:My case still stands, it's not because you write WoT constantly that it makes what I said any less true lol
My walls of text... explicitly tell you why what you said is not true.. like what is this argument even
In post 291, nomnomnom wrote:The LAMIST part is overly-justifying your vote then when questioned admitting you didn't need to do it
I DO IT ALL THE TIME FFS
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Post Post #296 (isolation #52) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:31 am

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-nom: "hey why do you justify your vote wtf that looks like reaching"
-vork: "it's not reaching, and my votes are always justified, even in other games"
-nom: "CAPS LOCK INTENSIFIES"

Hey @nom x3- I accept your consession
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Post Post #299 (isolation #53) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 am

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In post 297, nomnomnom wrote:Let me hope that
for once my scumread
is followed by a wagon and not ignored and laughed to death
In post 294, nomnomnom wrote:I INVOKE SELF META
This display of double standards & Pot calling kettle black is also disgusting
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Post Post #304 (isolation #54) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:40 am

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In post 302, nomnomnom wrote:mfw
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People lose in things all the time- no need to take it so personally.
Try better the next time you roll scum
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Post Post #308 (isolation #55) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:54 am

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@nom x3
I'm genuinely surprised at why you haven't pounced on him for slipping like that yet.
or is the one ego-blow enough for today?
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Post Post #313 (isolation #56) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:10 am

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Classic "scum is in too far over their head de-escalation" via AtE
We have a winner
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Post Post #315 (isolation #57) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:13 am

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VOTE: nom x3
wish granted
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Post Post #320 (isolation #58) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:00 pm

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In post 319, u r a person 2 wrote:marathon game
WOOOOOW
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Post Post #335 (isolation #59) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:24 pm

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In post 333, teacher wrote:I wasn’t crazy about the commie sheeping,
how dare you
also there are 2 of us- which one? :P
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Post Post #390 (isolation #60) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:06 pm

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Wooooow
Skitter's entrance has turned this game into "let's go sheep skitter"
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Post Post #393 (isolation #61) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:08 pm

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Calling it-> {skitter, nom x3, 1 of teacher/Dunn}
Perfect and easy way for the entire scum team to collapse on one person, amazing VCA/wagonomics potential, 10/10 move.
I've seen it, and I've done it before

Bunny can resolve later -> I've hit gold with the skitter chainsaw
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Post Post #396 (isolation #62) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:10 pm

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Nom x3 first as she basically outright scum claimed
Then you after nom flips red
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Post Post #401 (isolation #63) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:15 pm

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In post 398, skitter30 wrote:feels like something you actually believe
You've become an expert in tone reading me when exactly?
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Post Post #405 (isolation #64) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:21 pm

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In post 404, skitter30 wrote:never claimed to be, but i have a hard time believing that you actually believe a lot of what you're posting
Right
I need to BELIEVE in my own logic- something that remains valid and irrefuted regardless of what people think about it... ok then

Shit I just realized nomx3's hard push on my just came after I shaded Buj....
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Post Post #407 (isolation #65) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:37 pm

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Ok- I want to give skitter some leeway because she wasn't here for the real-time interactions to know how heated things were being
Then I reread her ISO and """"case"""" on me and it's disgusting

More people need to post so I can read them as like only half the players here have been engaged guhhh
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Post Post #412 (isolation #66) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:49 pm

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*sighs*
effort time

Spoiler:
In post 350, skitter30 wrote:this is bad
I do the newbie appeal, I've seen the newbie appeal done, I wanted to do the newbie appeal, and Cinnamon is experience enough to pull off the newbie appeal.
In post 350, skitter30 wrote:also bad
tongue in cheek is bad. noted.
In post 350, skitter30 wrote:so's this ...
i don't really think you actually think that's scum fake-claiming miller
at the heat of the moment? I was. Now that the game has stagnated and other people obv!scum'd it up, I slightly retract my suspicions.
Plus it seems I'm not going up against site meta today
In post 363, skitter30 wrote:i kinda hate like all of your posts actually
cool story
In post 363, skitter30 wrote:you're making up reasons to vote the wagon du jour tho (first cinn, now urap)
ONCE AGAIN
-I do not require reasons to VOTE people- any I provide are a courtesy
-I voted urap2 for wagonomics and association reasons and a playstyle that I was 'meh' with. That is made up how?
It's like you didn't even read my 1v1 with nom
In post 363, skitter30 wrote:b) he's fully capable of putting out real and readable content, despite the gimmick alt, the fact that he hasn't really is kinda meh
Right
In post 366, skitter30 wrote:townie: nom, nero, maybe dunn, maybe buj, probably flubber, cinn, maybe salad
because everyone likes my ratings- 10/10 reads
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Post Post #413 (isolation #67) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:49 pm

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In post 411, skitter30 wrote:... do you not know that n0's aren't a thing in normals or ...?
This is kind of what I meant by 'slack for skitter missing out on RTIs'
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Post Post #419 (isolation #68) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:00 pm

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In post 415, skitter30 wrote:vork i'm kinda confused how you're reading me
I am too.
I've been informed that you're a good player so unless youre "LOL RXN TESTING" to try and slayer on me or smth, I'm going to have to :facepalm: at your push on me and wonder where this comes from.
The fact that NEITHER nomx3 and skitter have addressed any of my ACTUAL posts and arguements, just vague handwavey handwaves makes me grr as well
Then again that works both ways as scum!skitter is probably not going to be this transparent in defending nomx3...

I also don't like how the bottom third of the activity list isn't engaging and I have solid reasons to think 1 or 2 of them might want to lurk it out.
There are also other ew slots, plus I'm IN the spotlight now. I make better reads when I'm not front and center in the main stage.
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Post Post #420 (isolation #69) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:02 pm

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Then again you absolutely did not pick up on my defector crumbs in OpenC9++, and only saw my mason play in Jazz
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Post Post #422 (isolation #70) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:10 pm

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In post 417, skitter30 wrote:and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that
great now you as well... again
In post 14, Vorkuta wrote:Off the top of my head, my experience is with them is at like...
3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims
And the fake claims were quite traumatizing and painful
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Post Post #430 (isolation #71) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:20 pm

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In post 426, skitter30 wrote:and did the 3 fake ones come from town or scum?
I've never seen town fake-claim miller. All the fake miller claims came from scum
And ONCE AGAIN
It's not the "Im miller" claim about bunny that irked me.
It's the "Im MODIFIED miller" modification to the classic fake miller claim
In post 427, skitter30 wrote:yeah but vork is missing the good tone
:facepalm:
In post 401, Vorkuta wrote:You've become an expert in tone reading me when exactly?
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Post Post #435 (isolation #72) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:27 pm

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In post 432, skitter30 wrote:i'm p sure i've seen town lolclaim miller before
Well I haven't *shrugs*
Unless you count the town!FL's "tinker tailor soldier spy, miller mason vig cop" nonsense in every game
In post 434, skitter30 wrote:... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?
Oh boy I swear I've explained this so well that even fucking bunny himself gets it by now
-to subvert the traditional "naked miller claim" and put a new spin on it
-to provide "LAMIST" insurance in the form of "IM MODIFIED"
-to gain even more "LAMIST" points via the "hey guys, I'm totally keeping scum guessing amirite" appeal
-how the hell should I know what ridiculous/next-level plan they came up with?
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Post Post #442 (isolation #73) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:46 pm

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I have to reply directly inside your wall because lol
In post 438, skitter30 wrote:so the important bit is that i find it significantly more likely for the modified thing to come from town who has some sort of compound/modifier role, than scum deciding to try out a new spin on ye old fake miller claim.
I fundamentally disagree with this point, but I've already made my point clear. It's already obvious that I'm not going to be able to convince the town majority so I'm left with being 100% anti-town in blindly stubbornly hypertunneling this, or
also they're new to the site
but by bunny's own admission, quite experienced with mafia in general
... i find it really hard to believe that they knew how to subvert the 'fake-claim miller as scum' meta in just that way in one of their first games here
*RAGE* HE HAS TEAMMATES
- like it reads really authentic, and i'd be p surprised if new-to-the-site scum
that's the thing- I'm also kind of a newbie (young and fresh enough to remember my newbie days) and if I rolled scum in my first... 7? games, I'd totally love to pull this off
could fake it in a way that rang true like that

and i don't think the modified claim read as lamist
I hate his "visible thought process" like 'hey guys so I have this role, what do I do with it" "oh NOW I UNDERSTAND THIS ROLL" "oh I'm sorry guys, my bad" "teehee, LAMIST for trying to figure out my win-condition and optimum way to play this role
at all, it read p real to me
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Post Post #446 (isolation #74) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:52 pm

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In post 148, NerfedBuJ wrote:How many villains have you seen announce their arrival publicly and grandeously though? That was a totally innocent move that only comes from town.
A50- Jazz mafia
Literally waltzes in and says "hi I'm scum" in his very first post.
Eats rope.
Is actually scum
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Post Post #449 (isolation #75) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:54 pm

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In post 447, u r a person 2 wrote:for whatever plan
universal
towncred
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Post Post #452 (isolation #76) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:56 pm

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In post 450, skitter30 wrote:i mean that was also very different context
:facepalm:
context completely aside, the point is "hi im scum" is not as conf!town-y or NAI as it's implied to be
don't make me dig up more games where scum open/powerwolfed

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Post Post #455 (isolation #77) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:12 pm

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In post 438, skitter30 wrote:where have you even seen scum fake-claim miller 3 different tiems? i don't think i've ever seen that?
In 3 different games
*sighs* at this point I'm arguing just for the sake of arguing I swear

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Post Post #463 (isolation #78) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:56 pm

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In post 462, Detective Pikachu wrote:idk that Vork goes for a fast Buj pocket tho, I mean maybe but not feeling it super hard?
........
this was sarcasm and Buj got it
He scum reads me for breathing
In post 462, Detective Pikachu wrote:I kinda don't understand why you're voting urap here? And almost all of your surrounding comments are about nom
Can you actually... read this please?
Like it's obvious you just ISO'd me here. Read the post in the actual thread and kindly come back with your apologies for the misrep
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Post Post #464 (isolation #79) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:56 pm

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ITT everyone tries to appease skitter
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Post Post #467 (isolation #80) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:00 pm

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In post 462, Detective Pikachu wrote:And almost all of your surrounding comments are about nom
The urap2 vote was before nom popped up on my radar at all
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Post Post #473 (isolation #81) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:07 pm

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In post 468, Detective Pikachu wrote:"lulz l2"
This: Wagon progression is literally the only decent way to make progress in D1 IMHO
In post 468, Detective Pikachu wrote:did you like the wagon for the comp or like the wagon cause it was a wagon?
I had no (I mean..) opinion on the comp at the time being- it was more to see who would stay/who would hop off/ who would... anything.
It's how I get my """best""" reads.
In post 469, Detective Pikachu wrote:I thought it was kinda a townie entrance
*spits out my drink*
In post 471, Cinnamon wrote:The fact that they continue to talk about it
*the fact that it's been brought up by everyone else who's catching up and I'm forced to explain and re-explain and re-re-explain
FTFY
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Post Post #474 (isolation #82) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:08 pm

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In post 472, Cinnamon wrote:that I should be aware of?
No. absolutely none whatsoever, these are all inside jokes.
Proceed to continue on with your usual playstyle, and don't be afraid of skitter.

also don't look at her banner

also she solo carries town games
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Post Post #485 (isolation #83) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:22 pm

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In post 480, Detective Pikachu wrote:I actually forgot there were posts before this one
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
In post 480, Detective Pikachu wrote:(given it's his first post that isn't fluff)?
I mean I'm going to tone-scum read buj for merely existing, just like he's going to scum-read me for breathing.

I COULD argue that
In post 141, NerfedBuJ wrote:Me as a player: *sigh* you rolled scum again didn't you
comes from scum in order to
-shade
-provide the foundation of his future "lets lynch vork" rhetoric

However I'm not going to be able to sort Buj today period.
Either way I have more promising scum cases that I think I can develop (provided that they post and whatnot)
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Post Post #495 (isolation #84) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:07 pm

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Are you like... legit just aiming for a nice quick and easy slip up?
Sure, let's forget NK15's (sorry for vigging you there btw)
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Post Post #506 (isolation #85) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:54 pm

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Have you like... ISO'd dunn?
8/10 posts is literally just parroting 'vork is scum' and nothing actually new

And this warrants a top tier placement?
wooooooow
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Post Post #509 (isolation #86) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:33 pm

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In post 508, Dunnstral wrote:a town miller
In post 14, Vorkuta wrote:3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims
I swear it's like you don't even read
And tchill was doing exactly the same bull shit that morality did in nk's game "ascetic -> miller"
In post 508, Dunnstral wrote:Vorkuta does seem different to that game though.
Yeah- I was unmotivated, and just wanted to sheep a strong town player.
I also had like 3 other games going on at the same time and get this: I was still new/trying different shit
In post 508, Dunnstral wrote:How come Nero didn't realize that Vorkuta brought up the game he modded that had a real miller in it when trying to show off scum fake claims?
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
-who the hell remembers the exact setup of every single game they were ever part of
-your point being...? a town miller present in a game suddenly completely 100% invalidates a scum miller claim?
just........

But yes guys- go read the game where I die hard tunnel an early miller claim that I just outright didn't buy
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Post Post #510 (isolation #87) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:36 pm

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In post 507, Saladman27 wrote:I don’t think Dunn’s parroting
In post 362, Dunnstral wrote:He's reaching
In post 257, nomnomnom wrote:while reaching this fucking hard
Sorting through this game is going to be so fun
'vork is reaching with his reads' is the universal consensus of this entire game like..... the :facepalm: smiley isn't strong enough to convey my :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Post Post #512 (isolation #88) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:37 pm

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saladman can get a few 'bad!town' points but has to post more
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Post Post #513 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:38 pm

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In post 511, Dunnstral wrote:I did, in fact, read
then you'll see that scum funaki's slot's predecessor fakeclaimed miller as scum AS WELL
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Post Post #514 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:39 pm

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I swear Dunn is just butthurt I vig'd him in over morality in NK2058
so am I
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Post Post #524 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:54 pm

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In post 517, Dunnstral wrote:didn't die hard tunnel anything that game
*inhales*
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
RC and I literally made tchill ragequit or something along those lines
In post 520, Saladman27 wrote:Isn't that kind of unnecessary? Earlier games don't really represent a player's meta...
Dunn's push on me is 50% agenda driven & 50% parroting for activity points- he's literally just pushing me to try and get a cheap and easy slip-up from me

and to be fair I alluded to urap2's newbie game
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Post Post #527 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:57 pm

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In post 523, Dunnstral wrote:First of all, that's wrong
Yeah this is fine- April (3 months ago) is fine.
The fact that I intentionally try out new things and change my playstyles to keep things interesting is something that Dunn will completely ignore of course, but wtv
In post 523, Dunnstral wrote:Second of all, he was the one bringing up the old games to try to justify his current push
........I justified my push on bunny quite nicely and "prior experience" was just a cherry on top ffs
I've given 50 reasons why it's a scum miller claim this game ON TOP OF "prior ouchies", but let's just focus on "prior ouchies" instead
In post 523, Dunnstral wrote:but the way he's going about it here feels different from that game.
Seeing as you LOVE this approach: how does your behavior in this game compare to NK2058?
Night and day
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Post Post #529 (isolation #93) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:59 pm

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In post 526, nomnomnom wrote:This is the same argument you used on me
Blow me
-Never accused you of parroting.
-Never accused you of having an agenda before entering the game.

But yes, you AS WELL were (are still?) trying to get me to slip up and just accidentally 'scumclaim' or wtv instead of actually dealing with any of my actual and legit points.
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Post Post #531 (isolation #94) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:59 pm

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In post 528, Dunnstral wrote:April isn't 3 months ago
*sighs*
just.... what do you want from me?
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Post Post #533 (isolation #95) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:00 pm

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In post 530, Dunnstral wrote:Scum didn't fakeclaim miller in that game
seeing as this is an acceptable way to respond to perceived bullshit this game

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Post Post #537 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:02 pm

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In post 532, Dunnstral wrote:Never accused me of that either, what are you trying to accuse me of?
In post 524, Vorkuta wrote:Dunn's push on me is 50% agenda driven & 50% parroting for activity points
:yawn:
read my posts
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Post Post #538 (isolation #97) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:02 pm

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In post 536, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 527, Vorkuta wrote:Seeing as you LOVE this approach: how does your behavior in this game compare to NK2058?
Night and day
It's not though... you're just saying things now
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Post Post #544 (isolation #98) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:07 pm

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In post 539, Dunnstral wrote:That's not an accusation of having an agenda before entering the game
it is now
I mean as of yesterday 8/10 of your posts were 'vork = bad'
Glad to see you're more engaged here than you were in C9++ where getting you to post literally anything was like pulling teeth.
In post 539, Dunnstral wrote:Can you not quote a line where they claim miller?
I honestly can't be fucked seeing as you cherry pick the shit out of my posts and don't even read them propelry
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Post Post #546 (isolation #99) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:10 pm

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In post 541, Dunnstral wrote:Can you go into this? What are your solid reasons here?
Solid reasons?

saladman (prior to him dumbing his way into my town leans)=> literally had like 6 posts and I was genuinely worried he was going to lurk his way to victory
Flubber => Drunk 100% NAI and noncommital posting to garner sympathy to skirt by D1 is a winning scum play
You => I've already brought this up.
Teacher => Quick lol/meme/friendly interaction with urap2 for the town cred and completely backs off (only to discuss the usual vork is scum for a tiny bit)
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Post Post #549 (isolation #100) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:11 pm

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In post 545, NerfedBuJ wrote:pocket me despite being even more annoying than usual. (No offence vork it's not you it's just how you post)
I hate you too buj <3
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Post Post #551 (isolation #101) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:14 pm

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In post 547, Dunnstral wrote:What are you trying to argue here?
Honestly? I'm just defending myself against what I consider to be poor accusations.

I've been butting heads with like a third of the cast and really need to see how all y'all interact WITHOUT ME as I want my reads to be less "personal".

Like yesterday nom x3 was guaranteed scum, today nom x3 might be bruised-ego!town in my books.
I completely forgot how I read bunny any more
etc.
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Post Post #552 (isolation #102) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:15 pm

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In post 550, nomnomnom wrote:that's definitely easier
:twisted: meta invocation time :twisted:
scum!vorkuta went after conf!town FL in musicals after he vigshot my partner
as opposed to like 3 other low hanging fruit targets

Going after lurkers isn't really a trend anymore IMHO
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Post Post #553 (isolation #103) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:19 pm

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Yeah ok I tried making a readlist just now, but it's basically

{people I'm not butthurt at}
{people who haven't posted a lot}
{people I'm butthurt at}

I'll try better
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Post Post #558 (isolation #104) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:23 pm

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Oh you mean just "arrival"
uhhh

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Post Post #560 (isolation #105) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:27 pm

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In post 556, nomnomnom wrote:as a sort of chaotic player doing all sorts of shit that doesn't make sense just because they don't make sense.
I accept the complement but I am nowhere near that good.
I'm a useless sheep in most of my games and don't gambit/fakeclaim because I have no idea how to do so properly
constantly trying to be less bad though so :P
In post 556, nomnomnom wrote:That's clown logic.
obligatory "takes one to know one"
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Post Post #566 (isolation #106) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:36 pm

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In post 546, Vorkuta wrote:Solid reasons?

saladman (prior to him dumbing his way into my town leans)=> literally had like 6 posts and I was genuinely worried he was going to lurk his way to victory
Flubber => Drunk 100% NAI and noncommital posting to garner sympathy to skirt by D1 is a winning scum play
You => I've already brought this up.
Teacher => Quick lol/meme/friendly interaction with urap2 for the town cred and completely backs off (only to discuss the usual vork is scum for a tiny bit)
EvilDeanus => I literally forgot he was in this game... as I was LOOKING FOR PEOPLE who I forgot were in the game
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Post Post #576 (isolation #107) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:49 pm

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In post 464, Vorkuta wrote:ITT everyone tries to appease skitter
*ahem*
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Post Post #614 (isolation #108) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:25 am

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In post 565, NerfedBuJ wrote:I scumread you in the first one despite everyone telling me you're town. You were scum.
To be fair, being a traitor and trying to signal back to home base is its own handicap, so I'll just insert my two-cents on that.
Also goddamit ducky- why couldn't you have been louder/more convincing to your hydra partner :P
In post 565, NerfedBuJ wrote:So on an objective level I don't understand why you set such an impossible standard for me to read you correctly from your first few posts in the game, while at the same time shittalking my ability to read you.
I am not and I slightly resent this interpretation of my posts.
The only person I've openly accused of ""being an expert on reading me"" was skitter.
I am in the process of casing you and I'm giving myself extra liberty to see whether your actions might come from scum!Buj.
In post 565, NerfedBuJ wrote:None of that gives you any excuse to belittle and dismiss my scumreads on you.
Fair, but I think it's not completely dishonest to say that you scum!read me for merely breathing, as you said that my playstyle
and personality
is inherently annoying to you.
In post 565, NerfedBuJ wrote:ESPECIALLY when I place you in my townlist a measly few pages later.
coretown!Buj
I really don't think scum!Buj would even attempt to pocket me considering that means he'll have to keep me alive for a day or two and that I'll be a constant annoying thorn in his side.

I formally withdraw most of my complaints towards you
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Post Post #615 (isolation #109) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:30 am

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In post 610, Saladman27 wrote:Skitter was town because her vork read took off...
Town reading someone for successfully starting a wagon :igmeou:
Give me a tiny bit more or I'll flat out formally accuse you of putting this here just to try and suck up to skitter
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Post Post #618 (isolation #110) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:06 am

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In post 616, Saladman27 wrote:read for reads sake
in your core!town slot...

guhhh
town lean
I'd like to think scum would be a tiny bit more subtle when trying to pocket skitter
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Post Post #629 (isolation #111) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:42 pm

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Why were planking/twerking/shuffling/(insert wtv here) things?
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Post Post #642 (isolation #112) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:19 pm

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Partially but not entirely

Like you're a pretty damn "not bad" player and the general consensus opinion (of other players) is that you're a real town powerhouse.
Decent players even tend to play around you.

The way OTHER PEOPLE approach your slot can be really informative- that's all I'm saying.
Like saladman flat out admits to townbinning you for no reason whatsoever, and the teacher sheep seemingly out of the blue with little desire to engage yours truly also makes me *hmm*

I'm obviously not going to be able to sort your slot today, however I can observe at how other players are behaving around you.
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Post Post #647 (isolation #113) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:34 pm

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In post 645, skitter30 wrote:u just seem to be hyper-aware of how people are interacting with me and you didn't do it in jazz mafia so i was like ???
Jazz mafia D1 was just :facepalm:
I was just trying to open-wolf without outing my masonry lol

Yeah, but then the game ended :P
Basically the game was """solved""" D1 based on how scum jumped onto the mechanical!town slots and what/how they jumped off. Saudade hard picked up on most of that and sang praises for mama skitter for the entire game
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Post Post #654 (isolation #114) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:41 pm

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In post 651, skitter30 wrote:(i just saw him park on someone he was townreading because they claimed scum so)
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Post Post #687 (isolation #115) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:44 pm

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Bah just saw the VC
VOTE: Flubber
Beetlejuicing

My gut tells me that one of {ED/Flubber} has pretty damn high scum equity
They've had the opportunity to interact on all of the things right now

I'll sort the rest of you lot in due time
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Post Post #689 (isolation #116) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:49 pm

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In post 688, Detective Pikachu wrote:nonsensical posting is outside the townrange
Can I get this rephrased please?
I don't want to misinterpret this.
In post 688, Detective Pikachu wrote:Unfortunately he has only rolled town in his newbie games (and this is his first non-newbie game) so there is no scum game for him for comparison.
me before musicals oh lord
I bragged about how "I only roll town :cool: "
In post 688, Detective Pikachu wrote:If he's coached he's not very heavily coached.
Having just come from a nightchat only game... meh
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Post Post #731 (isolation #117) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:31 pm

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In post 730, Flubbernugget wrote:I know everybody has forgotten page 3 by now but why was cinnamon discussing their modifiers?????
WOOOOOOOOOOW
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Post Post #756 (isolation #118) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:16 pm

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In post 746, Flubbernugget wrote:The minute cinn said "I'm a miller and something else" the only focus should have been on the miller claim
*throws hands up in defeat*

Like no.
We're out of VCA, we have a ton of analysis, and it's extremely anti-town to just focus and give attention to one slot and one slot alone during ALLLL of D1.
Like ok- we lynch the miller claim D1 WITHOUT any discussion and then what?

D2 we're dry. No associatives, no info, no other interactions to analyze so that's it.

The way the discussion has led us in circles and explored other potential groupings is extremely important
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Post Post #760 (isolation #119) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:42 pm

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In post 757, Cinnamon wrote:I find it pretty hypocritical you're saying this when you posted this earlier:
Fair, but I had this quote in mind
In post 471, Cinnamon wrote:The fact that they continue to talk about it is steadily becoming less and less town however.
Like 700 posts later the miller issue is being necro'd when we have a huge treasure trove of interactions to analyze.
It's like flubber doesn't want to catch up past post ~200 or something
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Post Post #761 (isolation #120) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:47 pm

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In post 758, Cinnamon wrote:While I still think his behavior would be too easy to replicate as mafia
Yes- Inactivity and being quiet are very difficult traits to replicate
/s


I'm lacking the insight that apparently half this roster has with playing with/against teacher.
Aside from the fact that he... is a teacher.... can anyone clue me in/TL;DR/spoonfeed me?
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Post Post #763 (isolation #121) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:56 pm

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So...
From my cynical point of view, he's a "don't lynch him D1 because he resolves D3" player.
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Post Post #967 (isolation #122) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:31 pm

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*insert post where I push flubber here*

I don't know if I can get on the teacher wagon as "resolves on D3" kind of makes me not want to push him today. Also I hate the wagon comp.
ED's posts are
amazing and high quality
cherrypicked and that's just :facepalm: but a vote for him is me beetlejuicing.
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Post Post #973 (isolation #123) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:03 am

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In post 971, Detective Pikachu wrote:thought I saw a townie post but now I'm wondering if I was hallucinating cause I can't find it: Vorkuta
:igmeou:

Is your entire read on me this game going to be based on like 1 post in particular?
So you're going to ignore my pushes, how I try to engage, what I try to do with associations and whatnot
and just focus on one post to form your entire opinion on me?
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Post Post #977 (isolation #124) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:10 am

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In post 975, Detective Pikachu wrote:Urap and nom votes are both kinda overly emotional too
Urap2 was the wagon hop vote- not emotional.
In post 975, Detective Pikachu wrote:flubber is your best push to date and i still kinda think it's the wrong choice vs ED?
obligatory "have you read my nom push"?

Also like... ED is "capable" of mechanical insights- the fact that he doesn't and lurks out is scary sure, but I view flubber's drunk posting -> nothingness as a greater sin.
And an ED vote is an inactivity policy lynch wagon, not an actual scum read
In post 975, Detective Pikachu wrote:but I don't see why I'd townread you for pushing three town back to back?
-and you know that they're town slots how exactly?
-oh boy I wonder what your criteria are for town reading other people if that's the case
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Post Post #980 (isolation #125) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:21 am

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In post 978, Detective Pikachu wrote:The dude read my post and refused to comment
on Dunn
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FTFY
TL;DR his slot

Like yes- I am in agreement that cherrypicking which random posts/parts-of-posts to reply to and which to selectively ignore (all of them) is scummy.
HOWEVER his ISO has a high signal-noise ratio.
That's it pretty much my distinction between ED and flubber
I'm hoping he actually pops in and engages more, but I like how his content has quality in it.
Unlike flubber
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Post Post #982 (isolation #126) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:31 am

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In post 979, Detective Pikachu wrote:I don't think his day 1 reads are typically above random so being 0/3 in his first 3 pushes isn't really out of form.
ok now I'm butthurt at you as well

-I build up my town block BEFORE scumhunting and my pushes primarily serve to build up a townblock first
-7 completed non-newbie town games
-Jazz D1 (most recent) readlist- 2 for 2 @D1
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Post Post #983 (isolation #127) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:34 am

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In post 981, Detective Pikachu wrote:I feel like scum tends to have a higher signal to noise ratio tho? I feel like town shitposts and fluffposts
I mean that's just something each and everyone of us is going to have to pass judgement on individually.

I personally think that flubber's drunk posting and then "soberposting" comes from scum.
I personally think that ED is more interested in """"""solving""""" the game rather than shitposting which makes him towney.
Like if he wanted to shitpost a bit as either alignment, he had ample opportunity to reply to anyone that accepted his first post challenge.

That's just my interpretation of the 2 slots
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Post Post #985 (isolation #128) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:57 am

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oh my how on earth did you get to that conclusion? :P

also based on what you should know about me as a player, you know I don't place too much emphasis on who town reads me, but I like those that scumread my scumreads.
He townreads nom so that cancels out the ^
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Post Post #988 (isolation #129) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:11 pm

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I'll post it when it's been refined and updated and when nom x3 and Dunn do something other than tunnel me
not at your prompting

But you guys already probably know that buj, nc, and salad have been binned yes?
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Post Post #993 (isolation #130) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:19 pm

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In post 990, teacher wrote:Why not when I ask? What benefit do you see in waiting?
In post 988, Vorkuta wrote:refined and updated and when nom x3 and Dunn do something other than tunnel me
To draw out suspense
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I want to see how players approach other slots- my reads aren't the most accurate when I'm in the spotlight. I need other players to enjoy their time on stage so I can look at them
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Post Post #997 (isolation #131) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:23 pm

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And absolutely nothing of interest has happened since then :P
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #132) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:05 pm

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*grumbles disapprovingly*
VOTE: Dunn
-Beetlejuice & Activity
-Please do something other than tunnel me
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #133) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:07 am

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In post 1047, skitter30 wrote:i thought that was the towniest part of his iso tbh?
I think otherwise. I've brainstormed up ways to make an obv!town entry into a game and the equivalent of "drunkposting" made my list. Like obviously I scum read him for his other posts and thought processes as I pointed out previously, but drunkposting is a nice scum "cherry" on top
In post 1046, skitter30 wrote:how do u feel about bussing?
I loved being on the receiving end of it :P
still butthurt at how ramblings went

I have only 2 scum games under my belt so I can't judge whether a loss of a teammate is worth the town-cred or not.
In post 1053, skitter30 wrote:no, bad vote
:igmeou:
Dunn can town it up by doing literally anything but tunnel me. Then I'll vote elsewhere
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #134) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:08 am

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In post 1059, nomnomnom wrote:If I had to compromise on a vote it'd be Vork here
>hypertunnels me earlier on
>oh no looks like I'll have to COMPROMISE on vork
wow
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Post Post #1072 (isolation #135) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:09 am

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What a nice compromise
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #136) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:10 am

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Has there been RTI between skitter and buj?
There should be some
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #137) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:30 am

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Vorkuta's 100% Accurate Readlist
The first one edition

{Buj, saladman}
{pika, skitter NC}
{urap2, ED, teacher}
{Dunn, Bunny, nom x3}
{Flubber}

-No way scum!Buj goes through the trouble of trying to pocket town!vork. It's not worth the effort and he gets 0 returns on this investment.
-Salad is wrong but honest- I can work with this

-Skitter and Pika are obv!towning it up with their solving.
I only have extreme tinfoil reasons (in skitter's case- might be justified- similar to C9++ and reputation) for them to be scum. Either way, there's no way a D1 lynch passes on them
-NC should've been more conf!town but his presence really diminished with the game. I actually agree with him on a lot of things (surprise) and obviously my fellow comrade is going to be TR'd, but *tinfoil* that lack of scrutiny towards that slot and I felt like his momentum went slightly down after a strong start requires thinking.

-urap2 is acting similarly to our game together (invoking newbie game meta... I know... I know...) and even though I personally dislike his playstyle of "why can't we all be friends" I can see it coming from town!urap2. The pushes on him and the early interaction with teacher make me :thonk:
-ED is dead center because he has a grand total of 8 posts.
7 of those were quite game relevant. However they were completely cherrypicked, selective/random, and... like... 8 posts.
This is just lynchbait and the wagon that I'm most unhappy with (once people realized that lynchbait!vork wasn't gonna happen, they swapped on to lynchbait!lurkers)
-Teacher's ISO is 50/50 green/red for me. On top of the tinfoil reasons of "scum trying to manipulate game state", his arguments and pushes are just :igmeou: in some places

-Dunn should do something other than hypertunnel me and lurk it out.
-While Bunny's miller claim and his responses to my push put him at conf!scum, his other posts have been solvi-er in nature.
I can more or less work with this slot
-Every time I see a nomx3 post I can be persuaded to think that they are wrong!town. Then they post another thing and I'm like- nope this is caught scum. The ridiculously horrible 1v1 they picked with me early on, refusal to actually read and respond to my
arguments and *insert more personal stuff here* is just bad and I'm always reminded that it doesn't come from town

-Flubber case made before
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #138) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:31 am

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@nom- Real time Interaction.
Have skitter and Buj spoken to each other not via catchups but directly?
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Post Post #1078 (isolation #139) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:38 am

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Given our open together I'd've expected at least some sort of "you, no u" and some sort of slight implicit distrust for one another.
The fact that they aren't doing it and are giving each other a complete pass is slightly concerning

Ok I'll be more blunt- I want to see 2 good players approach each other and duke it out between themselves to see what we can learn.
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #140) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:24 am

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In post 1083, Flubbernugget wrote:You're not even voting me
You're like the 4th person I've asked this to

But do you even read our posts?
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #141) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:25 am

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In post 1027, NerfedBuJ wrote:I would be surprised if flubber flipped scum.
Could the people voting there switch to another wagon?
In post 1030, Vorkuta wrote:*grumbles disapprovingly*
VOTE: Dunn
-Beetlejuice & Activity
-Please do something other than tunnel me
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Post Post #1086 (isolation #142) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:26 am

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You know what
Wish granted
VOTE: Flubber

Reads/comments/catchup.
Go
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #143) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:44 am

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In post 1088, skitter30 wrote:This isnt a reaction that comes from scum i think?
You'd be surprised
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Post Post #1093 (isolation #144) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:45 am

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In post 1090, nomnomnom wrote:Good game everyone.
Do have a proposed solution that doesn't end in a draw?

Who do we expand our lynchpool to?
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #145) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:35 am

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In post 1075, Vorkuta wrote:-Dunn should do something other than hypertunnel me and lurk it out.
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Post Post #1114 (isolation #146) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:39 am

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I swear ~28 out of your 32 posts are pushing/tunneling/arguing/throwing shade at me in some way shape or form
Fine I'm willing to go down to 25.

It can be a scum play from my point of view as I have gotten a really decent scum!D1 by hypertunneling a town player like this before.... but no
Can you please address the other slots like at all?
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Post Post #1308 (isolation #147) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:11 pm

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Oh hi lime
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Post Post #1318 (isolation #148) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:17 pm

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In post 1241, Shoshin wrote:I'd never willingly replace into a scum slot. This alone should tell you that I'm likely town.
Uhh... this and all of the discussion after this is kind of slightly bordering on a trust tell so I'd rather we drop this.

@Shoshin
The guy's ISO is tiny- can you go through it post by post and tell me why it can't come from scum at all?
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Post Post #1342 (isolation #149) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:46 pm

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In post 1340, Shoshin wrote:Pika's town, for sure. That's a legitimately excellent question.
:igmeou:

Not gonna lie this read seems really really really forced/faked FMPoV
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Post Post #1352 (isolation #150) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:23 pm

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In post 1349, Shoshin wrote:I have Nom, Buj, Pika, Dunn, Cinn, Flub, Nero, & Vork as varying degrees of town.

That leaves U2, Teacher, & Salad as scum. Can we lynch in this group today?
Skitter gets null or...?
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Post Post #1369 (isolation #151) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:04 pm

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Yes, let's dive into all of shoshin's games and dig up all of her wrong reads ever.
Let's do that- it's more fun compared to playing and solving this game.
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Post Post #1689 (isolation #152) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:50 pm

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So I blink and this happens
We're about to lynch a cop??

What's the wagon on her?
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Post Post #1700 (isolation #153) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:55 pm

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In post 1695, nomnomnom wrote:I already know that if she flips scum, you must be scum with her. Voting her is a death wish from you. It will never happen. I don't expect it anyway.
and here I thought you cooled down and could be reasoned with

like ffs let me at least catch up and find out who's on the wagon so I can try and look for things
this was literally done in the time that I was offline so what the hell
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Post Post #1703 (isolation #154) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:56 pm

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Can someone post a VC or just who's on the shoshin wagon while I scroll back?
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #155) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:59 pm

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In post 1710, skitter30 wrote:i'm going to read through now but if anyone has something they want me to address like now requote it or whatever
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #156) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:04 pm

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Holy shit the tunneling this game is real
Spoiler:
In post 1304, teacher wrote:Talk to me about vork.
In post 1341, teacher wrote:
In post 1304, teacher wrote:
In post 1301, Shoshin wrote:I'm adding Nero/Vorkuta to the list of town.
Talk to me about vork.
In post 1348, teacher wrote:Ok. Why was vork town before that?
In post 1416, teacher wrote:Can you sell me on vork?
In post 1432, teacher wrote:Can’t answer vork.
In post 1437, teacher wrote:Why is vork town?
In post 1447, teacher wrote:FFS why aren’t you answering the vork question.
In post 1461, teacher wrote:Answer the vork question.
In post 1717, teacher wrote:So why, oh, why, isnt the solution to lynch vork?
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Post Post #1736 (isolation #157) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:07 pm

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In post 1730, Nero Cain wrote:vote Shoshin, comrade
I require information straight from KGB headquarters to confirm that CIA counterespionage did not compromise our evidence
a vote count
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Post Post #1760 (isolation #158) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:21 pm

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In post 1755, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1497, Saladman27 wrote:It was like watching a phoenix wright case unfold
?
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Post Post #1795 (isolation #159) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:41 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 1241, Shoshin wrote:I'd never willingly replace into a scum slot. This alone should tell you that I'm likely town.
trust tell- do not like
In post 1280, Shoshin wrote:Are you finally town, Skitter? I miss town you.
.....k
In post 1440, Shoshin wrote:I get the sense Teacher's having trouble fluidly changing his reads based on new information.
+1
In post 1451, Shoshin wrote:I'm voting you because you don't have legitimate reasons to vote me.
OMGUS
In post 1476, Shoshin wrote:I don't feel like you're trying to sort me in good faith, Nom.
Nom doesnt have any good faith left in them
In post 1490, Shoshin wrote:Please unvote, Salad. Give me a chance to solve this. You can put me at L-1 later. There's no rush on this. I've been lolhammered before, please don't let that happen this game.
I hate these deals
In post 1508, Shoshin wrote:Please unvote me.

Please stop being bad at mafia.

Please improve.
I hate these appeals
In post 1532, Shoshin wrote:You think I'm scum too, Cinn? Fuck this game.
Even more appeals that I hate
In post 1535, Shoshin wrote:This game is actually hopeless.
Honestly.... I've seen this from shoshin when we weren't cooperating in NK2058 large
In post 1555, Shoshin wrote:Nom, please stop talking to me. You're cluttering the game at this point with stuff that isn't helpful.
+1
In post 1588, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1584, Saladman27 wrote:Also, sho, what do you mean no resistance?
If I were scum, I'd have partners to defend me. I'd have partners to help build a counter wagon. I'd have support. There's none of that in this game.
mmmmm no
I'll explain in the end
In post 1666, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1663, u r a person 2 wrote:@shoshin I feel like you're town reading me now. Why the change?
I can't townread you until you unvote me.
wow this appeal
In post 1688, Shoshin wrote:Let's go with Nero, Cinn.

VOTE: Nero

The way he's pushing my lynch doesn't seem like something he'd do as town.
OMGUS
In post 1724, Shoshin wrote:
In post 1719, Saladman27 wrote:Sho, why are you still adamant that showing us you lurked more as scum in earlier games is ai despite the fact you
could
have changed your scum meta?
Probability.

Every time you use the word "could," you're talking about possibility.

I'm talking about probability.
oh boy semantics

Ayt- time for stuff that I need to decide and think about

First impressions:
STUFF THAT LOOKS BAD TO ME
-Shoshin's defense is gross and loaded with a ton of personal appeals which isn't something I expect from her.
Then again I've never seen a wagon on her (only scum NK's :P) so I have yet to decide whether this is flailing scum or genuinely how town shoshin responds
-The OMGUS, the "I can't town read you until you unvote me", the "this game is doomed, town is bad" is just..... :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
-70% of shoshin's defense is her sitting on prior laurels
-I hate the modifier game that shoshin is playing. I've done it as scum. I grumble at this.
-I hate half the people that are pushing her as well so *grumbles even more*
-I might just lolvote just to prove nom completely wrong tbh
no I want to actually win this game

-I'm butthurt about my miller claim being ignored and dismissed, but now that shoshin has claimed cop this shit is happenening.
-So one of my mentors told me to look for the fact scum on D2/D1 tend to focus on hard defending themselves, while town still have some "scumhunting fight" left in them and at least try to get reads down, and that worked really well in JAZZ imho.

STUFF THAT LOOKS NOT BAD TO ME
-Hot take probability #1: The entire scum team is already (or was already) on shoshin and was waiting for a townie to hammer.
It's a hip and trendy new movement, provides WIFOM, VCA trouble in the future, and all that good stuff, but the drawback is that... a townie has to hammer
-Hot take probability #2: Almost the entirety (2/3s or whatever) of the scum team is voting for shoshin and the last one needs a good reason to get on or is heavily town!read and is conscious about looking bad when doing so or something.
This would allow me to rule out people who've lol!jumped on the shoshin wagon
-Shoshin knows that if for some reason she doesn't get NK'd, her investigative target has to be spot on (and all other potential scum interactions have ot be considered) and the cop claim seemingly didn't come out of nowhere, and claims COP of all things instead of literally half the roles available to her. Too bold for scum
-Why the fuck are we lynching a claimed cop D1? Like seriously why
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Post Post #1803 (isolation #160) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:47 pm

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VC TIME FINALLY
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Post Post #1810 (isolation #161) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:54 pm

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Holy shit you were Suka as well?
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #162) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:02 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 1806, Shoshin wrote:Personal appeals are not scummy. Who told you they were? This is how I play when under this level of pressure, nothing scummy.
It's just one of my personal gut pings, and something that I did when pushed to a wall. It seemed that you were "overplaying" your card. Like
In post 1806, Shoshin wrote:OMGUS isn't scummy. It's also not what I was doing.
eeehhhhh fine I'm willing to accept the nuance that goes along with it
In post 1806, Shoshin wrote:This is not reason to suspect my slot, it's reason to trust me.
I swear this, combined with "I don't replace into scummy slots" is bordering really close to trust tell territory
In post 1806, Shoshin wrote:Do not do this.
There's a gif for this somewhere
In post 1806, Shoshin wrote:That said, notice that even as I'm defending myself I'm still trying to sort players
Yeah this gives me the most pause tbh


TL;DR
I've given RC the exact same level of respect/leeway in our previous game together (NC's mini 2070 and that worked out quite well) immediately after NK2058 so I should probably extend the same courtesy to shoshin. Worst case scenario I lose in a brand new way and learn something out of it

formally opposing shoshin wagon
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Post Post #1825 (isolation #163) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:04 pm

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In post 1729, Vorkuta wrote:Holy shit the tunneling this game is real
Spoiler:
In post 1304, teacher wrote:Talk to me about vork.
In post 1341, teacher wrote:
In post 1304, teacher wrote:
In post 1301, Shoshin wrote:I'm adding Nero/Vorkuta to the list of town.
Talk to me about vork.
In post 1348, teacher wrote:Ok. Why was vork town before that?
In post 1416, teacher wrote:Can you sell me on vork?
In post 1432, teacher wrote:Can’t answer vork.
In post 1437, teacher wrote:Why is vork town?
In post 1447, teacher wrote:FFS why aren’t you answering the vork question.
In post 1461, teacher wrote:Answer the vork question.
In post 1717, teacher wrote:So why, oh, why, isnt the solution to lynch vork?
+
In post 1817, teacher wrote:you are resistant to going Vork for the day?
Woooooow
you and dunn just... woooooow
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Post Post #1827 (isolation #164) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:05 pm

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@nom
did you do the nested quote oopsie again?
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Post Post #1830 (isolation #165) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:07 pm

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In post 1826, nomnomnom wrote:And what I see is a fakeclaim
>insert pages of me calling bunny a fake claim
In post 1826, nomnomnom wrote:I will literally self-vote out of the game tomorrow.
I want this
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Post Post #1844 (isolation #166) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:23 pm

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In post 1843, nomnomnom wrote:This is a contradictory statement
triggered


ok nom is wrong&bruisedego!town
I invoke "too bad to be scum" with regards to that slot
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Post Post #1846 (isolation #167) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:26 pm

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Do you like completely stop reading the sentence/post after you find the first
spelling mistake
grammatical error
perceived flaw in logic?

Because that would explain so much
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #168) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:33 pm

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You see- I do this
In post 1844, Vorkuta wrote:ok nom is wrong&bruisedego!town
I invoke "too bad to be scum" with regards to that slot
and now you go all defeatist/last-ditch-attempt-effort scum on me right now
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Post Post #2238 (isolation #169) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:44 am

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prodging because IRL stuff- will catch up later
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Post Post #2627 (isolation #170) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:07 am

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VOTE: nom x3
Failed to get your shoshin mislynch so you killed her because the cop claim was too heavy to pass up
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Post Post #2632 (isolation #171) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:13 am

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In post 2628, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1826, nomnomnom wrote:If she flips cop, I will literally self-vote out of the game tomorrow.
holy shit I swear I was looking for this post in her ISO just now
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Post Post #2636 (isolation #172) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:14 am

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In post 2629, nomnomnom wrote:She still ate the nightkill, so yeah.
*you still NK'd her

FTFY
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Post Post #2643 (isolation #173) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:20 am

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also nero is town and I have no idea how the fuck you managed to run up that wagon when I was out
like guys wtf
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Post Post #2646 (isolation #174) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:21 am

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I see no universe where nero has more scum equity than nom does
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Post Post #2661 (isolation #175) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:42 am

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In post 2658, Nero Cain wrote:like scum don't join my wagon until they have a nice 3 man town cushion.
"your wagon"
Like come on- all 3 scum jumping on the same wagon early on is the new hip and trendy thing to do
In post 2580, Nero Cain wrote:I wish comrade would get on so he can hammer flubb
Also a friendly reminder to everyone that I was the first person on the flubb wagon
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Post Post #2664 (isolation #176) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:44 am

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How was shoshin's play as VT, to bait out the NK, and to leave us a treasure trove (50 pages but wtv) of interactions.... stupid?
Spoonfeed this to me
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Post Post #2667 (isolation #177) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:47 am

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In post 2650, NerfedBuJ wrote:Teacher has less influence than urap unless he drastically increases his activity level
guh do I like/approve/agree with this statement enough to sheep buj over NC.....
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Post Post #2671 (isolation #178) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:49 am

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In post 2665, nomnomnom wrote:generates people like you who literally cannot read and make the worst vote
wow
caught scum is so butthurt
now that I'm applying salt over the wound, the bruised ego wants to lose yet another fight?
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Post Post #2685 (isolation #179) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:04 am

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In post 1821, Vorkuta wrote:formally opposing shoshin wagon
lemee just insert this as a reminder for @nom

also yes nom
skitter is scum and wants you to self-vote so she can mislynch you today D2
and I'm the one on drugs
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Post Post #2697 (isolation #180) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:11 am

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In post 1073, Vorkuta wrote:Has there been RTI between skitter and buj?
There should be some
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Post Post #2703 (isolation #181) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:17 am

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In post 2698, skitter30 wrote:Explain where scum are parroting what i'm saying
nom's scum buddies are agreeing with some of what you say duh
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Post Post #2704 (isolation #182) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:19 am

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VOTE: Dunn because you guys won't give me nom
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Post Post #2708 (isolation #183) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:22 am

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Have you ISO'd dunn recently?

It's not a hard read
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Post Post #2709 (isolation #184) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:23 am

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In post 2707, Nero Cain wrote:What are your thoughts on teacher?
like ok
I know your reads are good
and teacher is scummier than urap2

but full disclosure, I *tinfoil* think he's a town!PR regardless of how much I hate that slot
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Post Post #2720 (isolation #185) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:31 am

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In post 2710, skitter30 wrote:the fact that there was a 2person lynchpool but it ended up on someone who flipped town makes me think the other person has p high scum equity
@statistics request

How many times does this actually happen though
A failed D1 counter wagon being scum?

In my vast and huge experience, both wagons end up being town with scum pushing one, and the other "organically" forming from town, and scum can make a show with "hmmmm which one which one...., look at me scumhunt"
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Post Post #2724 (isolation #186) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:34 am

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Ok guys- how about we take a step back and think about the miller claim for a bit?

Assuming we forget the first few pages (where he claimed, and when he discussed), is bunny town or not?
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Post Post #2727 (isolation #187) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:37 am

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Lynch preference
nom x3 > dunn > urap2 => teacher
open to a miller policy, and a REALLY REALLY convincing "skitter is powerwolf" case (not from nom obviously) that I'll jump on just for wagon analysis purposes
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Post Post #2730 (isolation #188) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:39 am

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In post 2728, NerfedBuJ wrote:a step back and actually reread each others posting without the emotional 1v1
*inhales*
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

nomx3 is not capable of this, and needs to do this to like 3 other people as well
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Post Post #2731 (isolation #189) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:39 am

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pedit

case in point
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Post Post #2741 (isolation #190) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:46 am

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In post 2738, NerfedBuJ wrote:and there is little value in lynching teacher first but some value in lynching urap first to kill any lingering influence he might have
I have no idea how "lynching teacher first is worse"
But I can do VOTE: urap2
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Post Post #2749 (isolation #191) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:57 am

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Comrade is town

@buj- The same courtesy you're giving me in
In post 2649, NerfedBuJ wrote:Vork you are either town or you pocketed me well, congrats
I extend to NC
and let me just casually forget to quote the last 3 words in that quote
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Post Post #2760 (isolation #192) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:13 am

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hnnnng

I don't like this WIFOM appeal

you're still town thought
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Post Post #2796 (isolation #193) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:03 pm

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Wait was that a lol-hammer?
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Post Post #2797 (isolation #194) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:08 pm

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Oh no he's at L-1
urap2 full claim


somethings not right with the teacher vote on urap2.....

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In post 2786, teacher wrote:I like urap’s positioning (on Deanius/Flubber/life) least. Also a lot more open to Salad.

VOTE: urap
In post 2780, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2378, u r a person 2 wrote:I think I'm getting lynched here LOL

already gave my reads so
VOTE: u r a person 2
In post 2741, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 2738, NerfedBuJ wrote:and there is little value in lynching teacher first but some value in lynching urap first to kill any lingering influence he might have
I have no idea how "lynching teacher first is worse"
But I can do VOTE: urap2
In post 2735, skitter30 wrote:Fine, but i want it to be known for the record that i'm incredibly suspicous of both nom and nc and of how they're defending each other

VOTE: urap
In post 2645, NerfedBuJ wrote:I'm taking command I would much much MUCH rather be the one that puts their foot in their mouth and risking my own lynch to lynch my scumreads than have people blame obvtown for NK's they would NEVER EVER do.

Urap/teacher are scum. 3rd remains to be seen. I'm not convinced yet of DP's innocence, and I absolutely dislike skitter's pov right now, but like DP is vouched for by everyone and seems REAALLY confident of himself that he won't flip scum so I'm accepting it for now.

Urap/teacher or me. I'm not watching town lynch nero or nom. We lose to superior scum, they deserve it. We lose to such an obvious attempt at mislynching shoshin's pushers. No way I'm falling for that bait.

VOTE: URAP2
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Post Post #2802 (isolation #195) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:20 pm

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oh ho ho hoooo

Scum losing their nerves and not wanting to bus?
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Post Post #2808 (isolation #196) » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:41 pm

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Honestly salad- there's only so far your "bad but honest" schtick can carry you in this game.
Eventually you're going to have to change gear because I can't say for sure how long my/our D1 impression of you will last for.

You're still in my town-graces but if we don't hit scum today then I'll seriously have to give your slot a reevaluation
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Post Post #2819 (isolation #197) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:00 am

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In post 2816, Saladman27 wrote:I see this as an absolute win!
Stop scumclaiming and help us win
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Post Post #2853 (isolation #198) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:06 am

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skitter

why do you spend so much time engaging with obv!scum
like...
don't make me call this scum theater
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Post Post #2858 (isolation #199) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:13 am

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In post 2855, skitter30 wrote:Because i'm apparently incapable
it's ok- apparently I am on drugs as well

urap2 I'm 100% fine with claiming.
salad though... like... what did he even do besides NOT join in on this dog-pile?

the teacher vote on urap2 really bugs me though...
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