Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[nomnomnom]

Of course this game starts when I am moving to my new place lol

[nomnomnom]

Please designate your best player so I may vote them to assert dominance

VOTE: EvilDeanius
Vote yourself now

[nomnomnom]

I heard fried bunny doesn't taste that good someone confirm pls

[nomnomnom]

I think this has to be a role modifier by how you’re talking about it.

Huuuuh I don't see it.

[nomnomnom]

I have only played in two normals, so someone please educate me. I would’ve believed that Miller is a role, and not a possible modifier. Is that mistaken?

In normals you can have two roles mixed together so like, a claim like 1-shot bulletproof miller could be a thing. It's not necessarily a modifier.

Pedit:....huh

[nomnomnom]

Get off the bunny now we aren't frying it today.

VOTE: URAP

This passivity is uncharacteristic of him, this is probably scum.

[nomnomnom]

Dunno

Best play is for them to towntell as hard as humanly possible

UNVOTE:

Are you still drunk?

Because that's a horrible post buddy.

[nomnomnom]

Dunno

Best play is for them to towntell as hard as humanly possible

UNVOTE:

Are you still drunk?

Because that's a horrible post buddy.

why is it horrible?

I think I agree with him? Hold miller claim off till Lylo-1, and if he is obv town enough scum will have to kill him because town won't end up doing it at Lylo-1

It was more the unvote I was talking about.

[nomnomnom]

Because it's not a vote on someone else, that's why

[nomnomnom]

So you're scumreading Flubber and me, and town reading Cinn. Is that right?
got any other reads?

Don't think I'm scumreading Flubber rn despite the bad post.

Heh this is closer to the town!urap I know.

VOTE: Buj

[nomnomnom]

So you're scumreading Flubber and me, and town reading Cinn. Is that right?
got any other reads?

Don't think I'm scumreading Flubber rn despite the bad post.

Heh this is closer to the town!urap I know.

VOTE: Buj

What was towny about that?

What's scummy about me?

I mainly wanted to vote there because Urap's posts were abnormaly passive and compared to the game I finished with him he was more proactive, which he was with his last posts, so this is closer to his towngame.

Voting you for a similar reason though.

[nomnomnom]

@nom I don't think I played a passive opening to this game. What are you talking about?

That's how it came across to me. I just didn't recognize your towngame.

[nomnomnom]

@nom I don't think I played a passive opening to this game. What are you talking about?

That's how it came across to me. I just didn't recognize your towngame.

VOTE: nom

show work please

I am voting scum dude what are you on about

[nomnomnom]

This is the best work I can come up with chief.

[nomnomnom]

Like- the fake-miller push is pretty damn nicely laid out and argued- that was WORK.
This uhh.... pales in comparison imho.

what the fuck are you on about lmao

[nomnomnom]

My bunny push is well laid out, argument-ed, my reasoning is explained quite well, and I take down some of the opposing arguments.

Your urap2 push is bad and low-effort as your entire case on him is "passive"

What does your Cinn push have to do with my case on urap??

Are you having a stroke or something?

[nomnomnom]

That quote button, use it dawg

[nomnomnom]

still though these are some confusing posts right there

[nomnomnom]

ok

[nomnomnom]

How are wagons forming when I unvote people lmao

[nomnomnom]

b/c no one listens to you

[nomnomnom]

y do you think urap is town?

Thought he was scummy for not being as active as the few games I played with him in the early game but the subsequent posts are closer to his towngame so I dunno.

scum!urap tends to be more shitposty in my limited experience with the guy

[nomnomnom]

which he was earlier on

[nomnomnom]

He's "questioning" "mediating" "big picture friendlying" and a" bunch of other words " without providing too much AI info at this stage.
Granted it's really early and maybe he needs time to rev up a bit

do lumberjacks do that with chainsaws?

, but he gut pings me as scummy for his playstyle.

I mean that's just URAP though.

The only times I've seen pushing something really hard is when he thinks something is 100% bullshit otherwise he tends to ask a lot of questions and make lengthy posts.

[nomnomnom]

Dilemma
>wanting to lynch a scummy playstyle
>knowing that town!X has this scummy playstyle

Applies to Buj as well

How is that scummy?

BuJ and Urap do not play the same at all.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Vorkuta

the reach is real

[nomnomnom]

You are trying wayyyyy too hard to find reasons to vote people, and at a first glance of your playstyle this might pass as just "something you do" but this is so gross I am willing to vote this out of the game. This is scummy as fuck.

[nomnomnom]

I don't need reasons to vote people, especially in D1.
Neither do most people on site (due to uncontested naked votes being status quo)

Yet you've given extensive reasons to do so. That's contradictory and that's exactly why you're scum.

[nomnomnom]

*sighs*
At least I provide people the courtesy of giving them solid reasons that will form my initial scum case on them

It's 100% pro-town as you can see my thought processes/logic (unlike anything you've done this game) on most of the players in the game.

You can't claim at the same time that you don't need to provide reasons to push people, while reaching this fucking hard to justify your vote on someone.

It's not pro town, you're giving completely two different signals that contradict each other. On a fucking D1 vote.
I'll also pass on the non-necessary shade

[nomnomnom]

My thought process and play-style is quite pro-town, even though it doesn't explicitly need to be, as the alternative is a naked urap2 vote without any ATTEMPT to read the slot

You are LITERALLY proving my point.

Just get this lynched.

[nomnomnom]

You have a bad faith style going on but I can see through your bullshit, it's not going to work this game.

[nomnomnom]

I'm saying that "I'm not obligated to BUT I will anyway"
The 2 signals are not mutually exclusive, but COMPLEMENTARY

The literal definition of LAMIST but yeah I'm just having "leaps of logic" lmao

okay bud

[nomnomnom]

You took one harmless and valid explanation to "you're reaching too far" and are blowing it way the fuck out of proportion.
Your reasoning and thought process for trying to push this is disgusting.

I don't see harmlessness and a valid explanation, I see justified opportunism.

I'll gladly do everything in my power to get you lynched today for this monstrosity

[nomnomnom]

this is mainly for Nom and I know he's not Bob but this IS similar to the same thing Bob did. Could this be a newbie scum tell?

You mean the thing where he doesn't pay attention to the game and shows that he blatantly doesn't follow the thread? That's what Bob did by pushing Sky and putting a misread claim in his reasons to do so.

Then again the circumstances were different.

[nomnomnom]

@Nero In that game we also were kind of right for the wrong reasons. I was right in the sense that he was not reading the thread and pushing a really shit vote but the justification for it wasn't opportunism but free townie points by bussing Sky.

Do you think this is the same kind of deal here? I feel this is slightly different.

[nomnomnom]

the reach is real

The onus is on you to show how this is "opportunism" and not "genuine scumhunting" as I have already more than adequately defended myself.
You're more interested in trying to get me to "slip up" or catching me in a contradiction than actually... you know... making your point.

Also- does scum!vork just go blazing all out for blood for a miller claim, and after it doesn't attract enough attention immediately I try to gut the next best person? (your former scum read, might I add)
Like how bad/desperate for a mislynch (on D1 when not everyone checked in ffs) do you think scum!vork is?

I just think you're banking on your loose playstyle way too hard and that the over-justification for your vote was a complete contradiction of your usual demeanor, which is absolutely a scumtell as far as I am concerned. That or just a big contrast with how you are as a person. But I'm banking on scum here.

[nomnomnom]

this is mainly for Nom and I know he's not Bob but this IS similar to the same thing Bob did. Could this be a newbie scum tell?

You mean the thing where he doesn't pay attention to the game and shows that he blatantly doesn't follow the thread? That's what Bob did by pushing Sky and putting a misread claim in his reasons to do so.

Then again the circumstances were different.

I was talking about the time where I edited one of his posts to just include the relevant portion of his quote and he was all like "why you'd do that?!?"

What do you think of my scumreading teacher and DP for being useless with their votes?

I literally don't remember that happening lmao

You make a fair point with that I think. I would support a teacher wagon at least. Probably wouldn't support a DP wagon though.

[nomnomnom]

u r a person 2 (5):

teacher, Nero Cain, Saladman27,
NerfedBuj, Vorkuta

L-2

Vorkuta(2):

Dunnstral, nomnomnom

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

Cinnamon (1):

Vorkuta

skitter30 (1):

Detective Pikachu

nomnomnom (1):

u r a person 2

Not Voting (3):

skitter30, EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

a bunch of bullshit that doesn't even come close to acknowledging my problem.

k

[nomnomnom]

hahahahaha

way to give up the lamist this early bud

[nomnomnom]

I can get along just fine- nom x3 is just losing the ego battle here so idk what's up on that end.

mine is bigger than yours

[nomnomnom]

now you're trying to make this personal

[nomnomnom]

mine is bigger than yours

The quality, in both formulation and actual solid logic, of your arguments has dropped off considerably since your initial "youre reaching" push on me, and now you're just openly admitting that you don't have a case on me anymore and this is crossed into personal territory.

I might be guilty of a bit of LAMIST (a thing I do as town anyway), but you're just flailing horribly

trying to escalate further with jokes is yikes

My case still stands, it's not because you write WoT constantly that it makes what I said any less true lol

[nomnomnom]

You can't apply LAMIST when you're attacking them for scummy behavior, and they counter by saying it isn't scummy. That's not LAMIST, that's just defending yourself.

The LAMIST part is overly-justifying your vote then when questioned admitting you didn't need to do it. It's really obvious to me.
Then again nobody ever fucking listens to me so you know.

[nomnomnom]

I DO IT ALL THE TIME FFS

I INVOKE SELF META TO CLEAR MY SLOT ONCE AGAIN.

WHAT I SAY IS TRUTH NOW UNVOTE ME OR I VOTE YOU TO DEATH

what a pain in the ass

[nomnomnom]

the worst is that I can already tell this is going to go nowhere and that I'm wasting my time

for fuck sake

[nomnomnom]

Let me hope that for once my scumread is followed by a wagon and not ignored and laughed to death first thanks

[nomnomnom]

mfw

[nomnomnom]

I just wasted one hour and a half I hope you're happy

VOTE: teacher

I have more faith in this than a pika wagon.

[nomnomnom]

Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

how is skitter in your town pool by the way

[nomnomnom]

Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

how is skitter in your town pool by the way

Shot in the dark. Makes it look cooler.

man I wish I was cool enough to sort players that haven't even posted yet

[nomnomnom]

@nom x3
I'm genuinely surprised at why you haven't pounced on him for slipping like that yet.
or is the one ego-blow enough for today?

I'm just tired

why don't you just vote there if you think it's scummy? I'm exhausted and I hate looking like an idiot so I'll just leave my vote here

[nomnomnom]

Vorkuta is wildly scummy

He is but the thing is that he's the kind of player that's just going to justify his bullshit constantly with "I do this all the time" so I'm not bothering anymore, complete waste of time especially when a lot of players think this is a bad push when my case is precise and that the subsequent posts show further and further what I'm trying to explain.

This is tiring. All of it.

[nomnomnom]

I've learned the hard way that it's not worth spending my time, energy and health on something that's never going through and I'd rather just try and build a strong town and push slots that are widely agreed to be problematic. Yet I did it again in this fucking game because of this guy and again I was shown it's not going to go anywhere. So yeah. Whatever.

[nomnomnom]

If you want an insult this is the best way to do it

now use your vote better you absolute idiot

[nomnomnom]

good night

[nomnomnom]

Its a safe place to vote and you don't risk angering an OMGUS's town.

That's a really awkward statement to make considering you come across to me as someone that doesn't give a shit about this kind of thing.

[nomnomnom]

Wait I actually read that wrong lmao, I get what you mean now.

[nomnomnom]

you're fired

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Vorkuta

If there is support for this, this is definitely the best vote by far.

[nomnomnom]

Skitter's catchup feels town by the way, even though I slightly disagree with some of the points brought up.

[nomnomnom]

with your vote it's 4 vote if I am counting correctly

[nomnomnom]

i like that while i was reading thru his posts voiced a lot of my thoughts (esp about vork!)

Is that a reason for most of your townreads?

[nomnomnom]

I'll be honest I have a hard time taking someone's townreads when they are doing it on people that have max a few posts. FMPOV that sounds absolutely insane but maybe that's just because I find it extremely tedious to sort that sort of slot, so you know.

I think I agree with the case on Vork but not much else, that's where I stand right now.

[nomnomnom]

I'll be honest I have a hard time taking someone's townreads when they are doing it on people that have max a few posts. FMPOV that sounds absolutely insane but maybe that's just because I find it extremely tedious to sort that sort of slot, so you know.

I think I agree with the case on Vork but not much else, that's where I stand right now.

not sure what u mean/are referring to by the first paragraph, sorry

Talking specifically about your Flubber/Salad/BuJ townreads here. These guys have not posted much and having townreads on them even as a hypothetical maybe sounds really really odd. Then again I mostly read players on interactions so maybe that explains it. I'd need more posts to make an accurate assessment of that kind of player.

[nomnomnom]

@nom while you’re on who do you town.

Townreads?

I'm fairly sure Skitter with that entrance is townie. Cinn is town for that early game, Dunn has incisive posts that read town, Nero is currently playing like the town game I played with him so I am inclined to put that as town.

My gut says DP is actually town here although it's a completely stupid reason to believe so and I'd rather not delve in it.

I'm also inclined to believe that URAP is town leaning when re-reading a few things from him too. That's where I am at right now.

[nomnomnom]

Shit I just realized nomx3's hard push on my just came after I shaded Buj....

why do I feel this tangent is going to make me laugh

[nomnomnom]

More Town
NerfedBuJ / skitter30 / Dunnstral
Cinnamon

Nero Cain / nomnomnom / u r a person 2

EvilDeanius / Flubbernugget / Vorkuta [this is not an implication I think this is the scumteam nor are any of these really below "null, can be scum I guess"]

Less Town


[unsorted / do not confuse for scumreads]
Saladman27
teacher

Confidence level in reads list: low

This list is just wew

[nomnomnom]

I mean some people like to do it if they want an idea of how a player plays as a certain alignment because of their confusing style or to check something that happened in a game and assess a read given that. I don't like doing it because it takes focus away from the game and I usually only reference self-meta points and reference games with people that actually played these games with me as to not take away focus from the game. But again that's just me.

[nomnomnom]

Dunn's push on me is 50% agenda driven & 50% parroting for activity points- he's literally just pushing me to try and get a cheap and easy slip-up from me

This is the same argument you used on me when you pushed my push as a "reaction test". I find that to be interesting.

[nomnomnom]

Just want to say that I am not exactly confident on my vork townread based on him pinging me early on, but this is the first time I'm the one townreading vork and others are pushing him. Usually I am the only one scumreading him. I know it's very anecdotal and a small sample of games but it's not sitting right with me.

Can you explain a bit? I don't understand the implications you're trying to make here.

[nomnomnom]

My gut says DP is actually town here although it's a completely stupid reason to believe so and I'd rather not delve in it.

I'm also inclined to believe that URAP is town leaning when re-reading a few things from him too. That's where I am at right now.

That's so strange.

Why and why?

I am not touching on DP. I refuse to do so.

Again, this is just town!urap like I know him. I know he doesn't like me delving in turbo games because they are meaningless to him but these games tend to exacerbate someone's tendencies in general, and those tendencies is that scum!urap tends to be a bit more shitposty/passive until he is pushed and will go in "URGH" more really fast. I think that's not the case here.

Skitter also implied that his townread on Vorkuta was outlandish and a reason for the scumread on him but like, I've seen urap make pretty outlandish cases before that definitely attracted my attention, and he happened to be town. I don't know.

[nomnomnom]

Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch

Why would scum pick town!vorkuta as a day 1 mislynch? I mean objectively speaking if you were scum here, wouldn't your mind go towards the more lurk-ish people, where it's easier to make a case on? Because that's definitely easier than to go against a player like vorkuta here.

[nomnomnom]

that's definitely easier

meta invocation time
scum!vorkuta went after conf!town FL in musicals after he vigshot my partner
as opposed to like 3 other low hanging fruit targets

Going after lurkers isn't really a trend anymore IMHO

yeah but I mean, to be honest I picture you as a sort of chaotic player doing all sorts of shit that doesn't make sense just because they don't make sense. That's not really representative of most people I have played with so far. Most people as scum don't go out of their way to 1v1 poor sods, especially if they happen to be against a player like you, just for shits and giggles. That's clown logic.

[nomnomnom]

Again, this is just town!urap like I know him. I know he doesn't like me delving in turbo games because they are meaningless to him but these games tend to exacerbate someone's tendencies in general, and those tendencies is that scum!urap tends to be a bit more shitposty/passive until he is pushed and will go in "URGH" more really fast. I think that's not the case here.

Can you expand on what urap going "urgh more really fast" means. I kinda think I might know what you mean but I don't actually know if I know what that means.

It's this dichotomy of being a really chill player when you don't have pressure on you and detailing things really thoroughly but instantly going "oh my god you guys are bad" or something when put to a situation closer to a lynch. It wasn't like that in the turbos played but there definitely was a frustration tone to these posts. That reads really scummy for a player like URAP. But again, that was a turbo game and maybe he really plays differently like these that in game, but I really believe that these games are a hard caricature of how someone plays because of the speed of play.

[nomnomnom]

Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch

Why would scum pick town!vorkuta as a day 1 mislynch? I mean objectively speaking if you were scum here, wouldn't your mind go towards the more lurk-ish people, where it's easier to make a case on? Because that's definitely easier than to go against a player like vorkuta here.

Because you get the loud/good players out of the way early, so you can mislynch the lurky players later with little resistance. You always try to mislynch/kill those with thread presence early.

I mean that's just one way of seeing the game I guess. I guess it's foolish to assume that a lot of players would do the same thing under the same circumstances. I guess the difference is intention like with everything.

[nomnomnom]

Why would scum pick town!vorkuta as a day 1 mislynch?

I mean objectively speaking if you were scum here, wouldn't your mind go towards the more lurk-ish people, where it's easier to make a case on?

I think it's because Vork

is

an easier case with the whole "reaching thing"...

Given the earlier consensus that my push was bad and not followed through, dismissed and ignored, I'm going to disagree lol

[nomnomnom]

I guess I'll give Vork this point, it's that people only followed Vork's case when Skitter appeared in the thread and made that case despite me presenting the exact same arguments. THAT is strange.

[nomnomnom]

tbh that fact alone means that if vork is actually town, teacher is probably 100% scum here. And even then that kind of observation makes me think that it could be an equally good lynch for today.

[nomnomnom]

I guess I'll give Vork this point, it's that people only followed Vork's case when Skitter appeared in the thread and made that case despite me presenting the exact same arguments. THAT is strange.

tbh that fact alone means that if vork is actually town, teacher is probably 100% scum here. And even then that kind of observation makes me think that it could be an equally good lynch for today.

I feel like I missed a post or something, how does that make teacher scum?

When you have two people making the same case but the one that was made later down the road with the exact same argument has a player joining it simply because it actually took off this time, that's scummy. And that's what teacher did here.

[nomnomnom]

Vorkuta (4):

skitter30, Dunnstral, nomnomnom,
teacher

u r a person 2 (1):

Nero Cain

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuJ

NerfedBuJ (1):

u r a person 2

EvilDeanius (1):

Detective Pikachu

Not Voting (3):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget,
Saladman27

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

I also might add that it adds up to NC's earlier argument for a teacher scumread that his vote served no true purpose and was a placeholder so yeah, this is definitely the kind of thing that catches my attention. Skitter tends to be highly respected in these games and I think it could play a huge psychological factor in people's decision making here.

[nomnomnom]

I'd join a teacher wagon but I don't see myself joining vork's wagon.

If you're thinking of changing your vote nom.

I'm thinking about it. I definitely there is one scum in these two. I had a scumread on the two individually before but this interaction makes me think that only one of them is scum. I need to think a bit about this.

[nomnomnom]

You say this, but isn't a simple explanation that he just townreads skitter more than he townreads you and so was more willing to sheep her?

I find that argument really dumb because the argument is the same regardless of who says it. Really, Skitter and I had the same reads but somehow this wagon had Dunn and Teacher actually joined it this time. Dunn had a solid read on Vork but teacher did not. You're going to argue sheeping a player because of their perceived townieness is not at least questionable?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: teacher

I'm starting to think this is worth exploring actually.

[nomnomnom]

but why is this so different from DP b/c FMPOV they are equally responsible for sitting on placeholder votes.

It's not. But I have a reason to think DP is town. Just don't bother asking, I will not give any explanation.

[nomnomnom]

Well, I don't so I'm going to ignore your town read and if he gets ran up he gets ran up. You will not stop me!

god damn

[nomnomnom]

lol imagine watching tv in the holy year of 2019 what a loser!

[nomnomnom]

that's an awkward wagon to start right there

[nomnomnom]

I guess I'll give Vork this point, it's that people only followed Vork's case when Skitter appeared in the thread and made that case despite me presenting the exact same arguments. THAT is strange.

If Vorkuta is town, would you say that makes skitter town?

Like, is it some combination of scum and town following town skitter? or do you think the same thing happens in a world with scum!skitter?

I think I can't reasonably assess Skitter's alignment by considering that push alone. This is the kind of thing you look back to in a few days to see what was up with that imo.

tbh that fact alone means that if vork is actually town, teacher is probably 100% scum here. And even then that kind of observation makes me think that it could be an equally good lynch for today.

wait, why

When you have two people making the same case but the one that was made later down the road with the exact same argument has a player joining it simply because it actually took off this time, that's scummy. And that's what teacher did here.

??

you were only voting vorkuta for like 50 posts, and teacher had no posts during that time

real life is a thing

I agree but the fact that teacher sheeped with extremely weak reasons is kind of the main thing that drew my vote there. That's why I voted him and not Dunn, who had a previous case on Vork.

[nomnomnom]

honestly i'm kinda surprised that the wagon didn't go higher - a lot of people have proclaimed vork to be a scumread but have expressed reluctance in actually voting him

I absolutely agree.

Vork started taking off, getting to four votes and Salad indicating interest in going to five, around 587. But then Salad and Nom switch the momentum to me -- for joining them on someone they scumread (and, in noms case, was also voting).

I absolutely agree that same reads=/ same alignment. But the logic here is escaping me. I think I had been pretty clear from the start that I agreed with Cinnamon/Urap/Nerfed's take on the miller claim, and didnt like Vorkuta/Nero's push. Once Nero town-told, my progression to Vork would seem to be natural (as indeed it was). If Nom really had been trying to get inside my head, I think this would have been clear.

As a result, I think Nom's push at me is a bit of counterwagoning from the one other active slot I didnt call out earlier as town or scum.

I have never played a single time with you and from an outsider perspective this is simply a naked vote and sheeping the more popular wagon.

Also this counter-wagon point is strange because not only causing a counter-wagon would be nonsensical given I pushed to hell and back to have a push on Vork when I started pushing him and so that explanation for starting a wagon on you makes no sense, but it also draws no conclusion from it which makes me think you like to fence-sit about your reads about people. This is starting to be a trend with you.

[nomnomnom]

@nom: still dont really understand the 'teacher voted the wagon after it started taking off' narrative

the greater point is that teacher is sheeping with his vote here and I feel it reinforces NC's point earlier about his vote serving no purpose. He gave no justification to be on Vork's wagon here which is relevant when we're starting to push Vork together yeah? On retrospective the thing urap said about the little amount of time there was between me pushing the wagon, unvoting, then rejoining the wagon when you revoted him and people following it was very little.

I still think this is warrant of a vote though, and I still think from early analysis that there must be one scum in {teacher/Vork}

[nomnomnom]

On retrospective the thing urap said about the little amount of time there was between me pushing the wagon, unvoting, then rejoining the wagon when you revoted him and people following it was very little.

urgh nonsense wording

urap's point was right and I think that I was being a bit silly with this but that doesn't matter much in the greater reason why I'm voting here*

[nomnomnom]

Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

how is skitter in your town pool by the way

If one of buj and skitter flip scum I'd push on this as implicating the other

I'm not sure I follow

[nomnomnom]

I guess I'll give Vork this point, it's that people only followed Vork's case when Skitter appeared in the thread and made that case despite me presenting the exact same arguments. THAT is strange.

tbh that fact alone means that if vork is actually town, teacher is probably 100% scum here. And even then that kind of observation makes me think that it could be an equally good lynch for today.

I feel like I missed a post or something, how does that make teacher scum?

When you have two people making the same case but the one that was made later down the road with the exact same argument has a player joining it simply because it actually took off this time, that's scummy. And that's what teacher did here.

This is another nonsensical read.

Skitter has significantly better communication skills than vork. That's a much better reason to attribute people sheeping skitter over vork

Vorkuta (4):

skitter30, Dunnstral, nomnomnom,
teacher

u r a person 2 (1):

Nero Cain

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuJ

NerfedBuJ (1):

u r a person 2

EvilDeanius (1):

Detective Pikachu

Not Voting (3):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget,
Saladman27

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

I also might add that it adds up to NC's earlier argument for a teacher scumread that his vote served no true purpose and was a placeholder so yeah, this is definitely the kind of thing that catches my attention. Skitter tends to be highly respected in these games and I think it could play a huge psychological factor in people's decision making here.

Hmmmm.

You seem to acknowledge to a similar degree what I was getting at, but still come to a wildly different conclusion. I'd love to talk about this but honestly I don't wven know what to ask

It's not nonsensical. I have reasons to believe that people act awkwardly around Skitter, especially scum players.

I just finished a game with her when the scums basically tip-toed around her and instantly night-killed her given the first opportunity. The scums later down that game invoked that game argument over and over again that "skitter is an extremely good player" and used that as a discrediting tactic when I tried bringing some flaws that happened in that day 1.

What I realized that game is that despite having no experience with Skitter, I already know 100% that people will react really fucking weird around her whatever alignment she is. There are already multiple weird instances happening this game like the fact BuJ put her in her townpool despite her not writing a single post, teacher following her wagon but not mine (which is not as good of an argument given the timeframe but still), etc.

For someone like me, Skitter is actually a brilliant player to work around with given that I am mostly a player that likes analyzing interactions and I am inclined to believe that scums are inherently scared of Skitter when she's town given my experience with her and reading things with a bit of perspective. I think it's the same thing happening this game. If Skitter is town this game I think it will be REALLY apparent who scums are for that reason alone. That's the point I was trying to make with that post.

[nomnomnom]

Heeeeeeeh this EvilD wagon feels odd.

We have a bunch of interactions to go through and analyze but you want to go for the guy that has close to none? Eeeeeeeeeeeh...

[nomnomnom]

You'd be surprised how many games can be solved through sort by activity lol

I literally just ended a game where a PoE was formed by activity and we ended up lynching a townie in the list and it all went downhill from there so you know I have very close to no faith when it comes to sorting by activity.

If anything that makes me think this is probably the worst way to go about things, especially given that I like going through interactions and that pushing a lurky-ish player on day 1 when you have pleeeeenty of things to read is really ew.

[nomnomnom]

@DP do you REALLY think ED is the best vote right now after everything you highlighted? Genuine question.

[nomnomnom]

I think scum has voted me. I am less sure about whether scum is voting me.

I thought vork had voted me but went back after saying that. I do believe scum has voted me and my pick for that slot is nom, which is why I’m asking many slots about then. They are germttibg townread by slots I townread so I need to see the reasoning behind that.

1. Why do you believe scum is currently on your wagon?
2. Why do you believe I am the scum on your wagon?

Also to all of you suggesting evilD I implore you to reconsider.

[nomnomnom]

Also to all of you suggesting evilD I implore you to reconsider.

Talk to me. What's the d/l?

I told you already, you're going to vote the least-activity poster in a game where there is more than plenty of activity to analyze.

This kind of stuff makes me stress a lot I'm not going to lie. If collectively people want to go for this because they think there are no better choices I guess I'll join but it's far from the most optimal choice here.

[nomnomnom]

You'd be surprised how many games can be solved through sort by activity lol

I literally just ended a game where a PoE was formed by activity and we ended up lynching a townie in the list and it all went downhill from there so you know I have very close to no faith when it comes to sorting by activity.

If anything that makes me think this is probably the worst way to go about things, especially given that I like going through interactions and that pushing a lurky-ish player on day 1 when you have pleeeeenty of things to read is really ew.

yes, but we happened to lynch the one townie in the pool of 3; the method wasn't wrong, the specific implementation of it was

i mean besides for it being an eh underwhelming lynch, do u have something against it?

Not really, but that point is pretty big.

like do u townread him or just don't want to lynch a lurker?

The latter. It would still feel REALLY bad for me to go for this lynch today, but eh.

[nomnomnom]

@Skitter can I ask what happened to your flubber read?

[nomnomnom]

You know I kinda hate the fact that I feel it's going to be another game where we don't reach a consensus on reads and we end up doing weird stuff as a result.

At least this is the impression that this day 1 gives me so far.

I have no faith in an EvilD lynch right now, it's basically admitting that no one has a case and that as a result it's better to go for the weirdo lurker. Like he could be the most obvious scum in the world or the easiest lynchbait.

This feels bad dude.

[nomnomnom]

If I had to compromise on a vote it'd be Vork here. I still think there's one scum in {vork, teacher}.

I'd only vote EvilD as a hammer here, tbh.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: vork

[nomnomnom]

nom, how are u reading urap?

heeeeh, kinda lost track of him to be honest

which is probably a good thing when it comes to me reading people?

I'd say null. Not day 1 lynch material.

[nomnomnom]

I'm just gonna ignore the hyper-emotional bullshit from now on.

[nomnomnom]

RT-what

[nomnomnom]

@nom- Real time Interaction.
Have skitter and Buj spoken to each other not via catchups but directly?

I can't remember, why is that important?

[nomnomnom]

This is a tie.

3 move repeat.

Good game everyone.

[nomnomnom]

Good game everyone.

Do have a proposed solution that doesn't end in a draw?

Who do we expand our lynchpool to?

I suppose one of us needs to budge.

If this is going nowhere in a day or two I'll budge, I guess. Which I realize is a bad thing to say, but whatever.

[nomnomnom]

I'm p sure there's scum in flubber/ed/vork/teacher based on gamestate and stalling wagons

I wouldn't feel as good if we were to lynch ED here but yeah, pretty much same.

teacher > vork > flubber would be my preferred order.

[nomnomnom]

#sheepforever

VOTE: teacher

[nomnomnom]

In post 1043, skitter30 wrote:
like do u townread him or just don't want to lynch a lurker?

The latter. It would still feel REALLY bad for me to go for this lynch today, but eh.

Nom, this thinking incentivizes scum lurking. You should take the best lynch available. Sometimes that's a lurker, sometimes it isn't

I guess I still have the trauma of that micro haunting me lol

Am I really going to have to compromise on this? Damn.

[nomnomnom]

If I have to compromise on a lurker I'll take EvilD and no one else here.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: EvilD

I guess I'll make the first step towards building a cohesive town then.

EvilD is the more problematic slot in the pool you guys want to go for so I guess this is our lynch today.

[nomnomnom]

welp

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: EvilD

I guess I'll make the first step towards building a cohesive town then.

EvilD is the more problematic slot in the pool you guys want to go for so I guess this is our lynch today.

i think i saw that the slot is getting replaced - i'd prefer for that to happen before lynching the slot

yeah I guess we have no choice

UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

yeah I guess we have no choice

UNVOTE:

Gotta be honest nom your tone here feels pretty weird to me

what do you mean by "we have no choice"? I feel like usually you're pretty aggressive with what you think is best?

?

We're going to go nowhere if I stay in my little corner and everyone does the same, we're reaching deadline day without a strong consensus or push. What's the purpose of being stubborn here except cause confusion?

What I think is best is having a cohesive mindset. Scumreads aren't worth anything if you haven't convinced anyone and we just look at each other saying "LOOK THAT GUY IS SCUM SHEEP ME ALREADY" if nobody actually follows anyone you know? It's pointless.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Shoshin

You're full of shit.

Lynch this.

[nomnomnom]

You are using a trust tell about "how you would never replace into scum slots" and using it on a slot with literally 8 posts, the least contribution this game and null at best.

Your vote is on the guy that scumread your slot.

This is just about the worst entrance you can come up with as scum-replacement really. But it's fine it'll be over soon

[nomnomnom]

nom, earlier Sho implied that she had played with you before, do you feel like you have a grip on her meta?

I don't think we have?

Either way she needs to die. This is a scum entrance.

[nomnomnom]

Like none of these posts are town. The tone just screams desperate scum to me. She knew coming in what kind of entrance she would use then use arcane moonlogic to push other slots but this instantly reads as prepared and crafted, not genuine.

And I know why it feels that way: it's because it's normally a free out of jail card normally but she had the audacity of using it on a slot with literally 8 posts throughout 50 pages, and that will just not work.

It's not genuine, and the subsequent posts are self-centered. This just needs to die right now. This is our day 1 lynch.

[nomnomnom]

I don't think we have?

I was your teammate in Undertale. Papyrus.

I don't think that changes my vote.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: nom

This was an awful vote from Flubb.

What's awful about it?

[nomnomnom]

@shoshin You know

A lot of things you write are still about yourself

which is what gave me the sensation your slot is a scum one

[nomnomnom]

I'll go ahead and say that if Shoshin's spot flips red, vork's spot is 100% red as well. There's just no way. These associatives are really apparent.

[nomnomnom]

I'll go ahead and say that if Shoshin's spot flips red, vork's spot is 100% red as well. There's just no way. These associatives are really apparent.

Can you flesh this out a bit?

The vork townread comes out of nowhere honestly.

[nomnomnom]

@shoshin Talking about oneself is not inherently scummy, but your tone strikes me as a scum trying to avoid a lynch. And that's throughout your posts. I just feel you're scum here from the way you approached this replacement.

[nomnomnom]

As for desperation:

Cinn & Flub, please unvote me.

Your iso contains a bunch of accusatory statements against people that push you too. As in, scum-accusation statements. All of this makes me feel you're just scum and that this is the angle you adopted this game.

[nomnomnom]

I'm trying to avoid a mislynch on myself, Nom. Your feeling that I'm scum because of that is wrong.

I know.

It's the way you do it and the tone you use that makes me feel you're scum, not what you're doing that makes me think here.

[nomnomnom]

I don't feel like you're trying to sort me in good faith, Nom.

Your iso contains a bunch of accusatory statements against people that push you too. As in, scum-accusation statements.

Like a clock.

[nomnomnom]

I'm playing far beyond anything I do as scum & you're calling me scum because of some vague feeling about my tone while ignoring all the towny stuff I'm doing. Yes, I don't feel like you're sorting me in good faith.

Feelings aren't everything in mafia.

You're telling this to a player that sorts a lot of things simply by reaction, tone and interaction.
You have a scummy-sounding tone and I think you're just continually pushing in that direction over and over.
You're easier to catch than you think you are. I'm just going to put that out there. You're today's lynch.

[nomnomnom]

I have sorted you.

You're just scum.

My first intuition is often the correct one. I often make the mistake of letting myself be steered in a thousand directions but your entrance and your ISO so far just screams scum to me. That's all there is to it.

[nomnomnom]

Who else do you scumread, Nom? Who are my partners?

When you flip red, Vork is scum 100%

Otherwise 85% teacher is scum because of how he interacted with you.

No idea about your other partner.

One scum in these pairings.
{shoshin, teacher}
{teacher, vork}

[nomnomnom]

mr lettuce bro don't let yourself be AtE'd to death by the scummy deer

follow ur heart!!

[nomnomnom]

The only reason I unvoted was to avoid a lolhammer without a claim...

That never happens.
It's just a play on emotions.

If you want a claim you probably should put pressure on the slot.

[nomnomnom]

She's scum, don't panic now. That claim is bullshit.

[nomnomnom]

I understand.

Repping into a scumslot sucks.

[nomnomnom]

Basic mafia 101 is lynching a scum that made the easiest fakeclaim ever in a game where you have a slot that announced they were a miller.

THAT is good mafia

[nomnomnom]

ED was obviously laying low because he was a PR.

He siteflaked.

[nomnomnom]

For christ sake.

Falling this easily for AtE lol

[nomnomnom]

I don't have a ton of time to talk right now but we have a couple days, we may as well take them to sort this claim

It's simple.

It's a fakeclaim.

I am telling you right now that this is a desperate fakeclaim because she was put at L-1 and she prayed on Saladman's admitted weakness to get him to unvote.

She is scum motivated through and through. The more you allow her to talk and the more she'll get away with. She's caught scum.

[nomnomnom]

They're a claimed cop, and I really don't see them as my strongest scumread. Isn't there a lot of benefit in at least letting them live a day?

For what?

The more time you let her have, the more she'll weasel out of this spot. She's clearly caught scum. All her posts indicate a scum mindset.

That cop fakeclaim is a gambit to get people to unvote her and live another day and redirect the heat on someone else and get a mislynch through.

It's a bad idea to let this spot go. She is just desperate scum.

[nomnomnom]

Nom's confidence that I'm scum is maybe the scummiest thing I've seen all game. I don't think town ever becomes that confident I'm scum.

I've seen what you're doing a thousand times before.

You're almost playing according to this idea of a self-centered scum player that I have, actually.

EVERYTHING you have done is pushing towards a scum agenda, and I knew something was up with the tone you were using since your very first spots. I feel those things.

Confidence is NAI, by the way, for all that's worth

[nomnomnom]

In the event that Shoshin is town here, I agree that Nom's pushing really doesn't make sense

Bunny friend, listen here.

We see the same things you and I, right?

You see the AtE, you see the tone she's using and you see the nonsensical claims she is making, right?

I am simply pushing town to the correct course of action here. It's simply the best move for town here.

[nomnomnom]

You sifted too many times for me to believe it. Like I’m still inviting so others could discuss but I don’t believe you.

I do think it makes you not the day one lynch, however.

VOTE: unvote

Terrible.

Just terrible.

[nomnomnom]

But it really isn't. Yes, they're scummy but I don't see this as anywhere near confirmed scum and I don't think that lynching a cop claim day 1 is a good play here

It's a fakeclaim.

For christ sake.

[nomnomnom]

Why wouldn’t you wait so that others can discuss this new info. It is not terrible at all. Like I’m saying treat it as scum, force it to give public results tomorrow, and work on associatices like your vork thought.

Because the cards are on the table already. Nothing will ever change with that slot, no matter how much time you give it.

She's the center of a few slots interactions as well, which makes her lynch that much more important.

There is no reason to avoid lynching this unless you think this is town. But it isn't. Delaying this lynch is game losing. You have my word on this.

[nomnomnom]

It would be very stupid to lynch me on D1 before I've had a chance to get going.

This is AtE again.

You've had a bunch of posts to express yourself, and people have found you scummy for it.

How many more posts do you need? A thousand?

You're just praying on people's insecurities because they've just laid them out in front of you.

[nomnomnom]

Nom, please stop talking to me. You're cluttering the game at this point with stuff that isn't helpful.

It is helpful.

Just not helpful to you and your partners

[nomnomnom]

Alright. Let's phrase it this way.

If this flips cop, you can 100% lynch me tomorrow and I'll even self-vote.

I am THAT sure she is fakeclaiming and scum. Is that clear enough?

[nomnomnom]

The problem is when you're in a game with bad players or players who don't have the correct level of confidence about their reads.

Gross.

[nomnomnom]

But if this is cop/miller then has normal queue really started stealing setups from EpicMafia?

It's a bullshit claim and you know it.

Everyone already knows this claim is bullshit yet they are too scared of committing because they don't want to risk looking like idiots in the rare case this flips cop.

But it never will. Have some confidence.

[nomnomnom]

I just have some trouble processing this.

Everyone begs me to vote ED because "there are no better choices".

Shoshin reps in, makes the scummiest-looking iso ever known to man, I vote there and everyone flakes after a bullshit cop claim.

It's like the universe is mocking me or something. For the second time.

[nomnomnom]

The problem is when you're in a game with bad players or players who don't have the correct level of confidence about their reads.

[nomnomnom]

hahahahahaha

this is a comedy sketch

[nomnomnom]

Nom, who do you think is scum if hypothetically town!Sho is a thing?

Teacher.

We never get there though. She's scum. She isn't cop. This is a fakeclaim and this needs to get lynched today.

[nomnomnom]

He's not trying to sort me in good faith.

click X to recharge your gun

[nomnomnom]

U2, please unvote me.

no

[nomnomnom]

Are you kidding me, U2?

WOoooooooooooOoooOohhohooooO~

[nomnomnom]

hahahahahaha

this is a comedy sketch

nom I don't wanna scumread you for playstyle but this is the second time you have pinged me in your interactions with the EvilD/Sho slot, like this feels like just a weird reaction to the gamestate

I just find all of this absurd is all.

I laugh a lot in general while reading mafia games. It's just more of a disbelief laugh than anything here though.

[nomnomnom]

Like you can ask NC

I literally laughed like a maniac as a confirmed mason in the last large we played together.

Me laughing like an absolute moron for no reason is not really alignment indicative lol

[nomnomnom]

actually skitter can actually confirm that too, i made an ass of myself when her and her mason partner claimed mason, just sat there laughing lmao

[nomnomnom]

Nom's far beyond what I saw from them as scum.

yeah but didn't she have a post restriction or something in undertale, like I'm not sure that's fully indicative of her actual scumrange

That post restriction was just writing in a papyrus font.

[nomnomnom]

Well, "post restriction". My provided fakeclaim was supposed to write in papyrus at least.

[nomnomnom]

@shoshin I feel like you're town reading me now. Why the change?

I can't townread you until you unvote me.

Please just lynch this.

[nomnomnom]

I think I would like the sho lynch more if nom hadn't started pinging me just a little bit, but uhh, I also recognize that my 'pace' in deciding things like this tends to be a lot slower than most town are okay with

I'm going to tell you again.

This never flips cop. If it does, I will literally self vote tomorrow.

[nomnomnom]

@shoshin I feel like you're town reading me now. Why the change?

I can't townread you until you unvote me.

Please just lynch this.

Do you have like a dedicated folder for this

sometimes an image is worth a thousand of words

[nomnomnom]

Lynching me on D1 is always a bad idea, regardless the claim.

Odd statement given that the only reason people unvoted you was BECAUSE of the claim.

This is just a fakeclaim and everyone knows it.

[nomnomnom]

I think in the event that Shoshin is town here there's definitely scum on the wagon

statistically that's pretty likely of any wagon with 4 people on it, scum or town

While I get that, I think that the 4 people who were on the wagon are all really town if Shoshin flips scum here. Nom x3 is locktown as well. I just wanted to say that my read on them is really dependent on the alignment of Shoshin

If you truly believe this, there is only one move and it's to make shoshin flip.

This solves the game. Literally.

[nomnomnom]

So I blink and this happens
We're about to lynch a cop??

What's the wagon on her?

It's not a cop. She's lying through her teeth.

See the reasons that lead her to claim this and you'll see clear as day that this can only be scum. It's obvious. This is a scum move.

[nomnomnom]

@Vork but again, I'm fairly sure you never vote this.

I already know that if she flips scum, you must be scum with her. Voting her is a death wish from you. It will never happen. I don't expect it anyway.

[nomnomnom]

I already know that if she flips scum, you must be scum with her. Voting her is a death wish from you. It will never happen. I don't expect it anyway.

and here I thought you cooled down and could be reasoned with

like ffs let me at least catch up and find out who's on the wagon so I can try and look for things
this was literally done in the time that I was offline so what the hell

I'm a psychic.

Well, not really, but I already know what's gonna happen.

Take your time reading this, but I already know what's going to happen

pedit: shoshin is l-2

[nomnomnom]

maybe i miscounted I'm drunk rn lol

[nomnomnom]

pretty sure everything nom is scumreading her for is a personality-thing, and not actually an alighnment thing

Skitter, please listen to me.

Take a good look at her iso and tell me this isn't a scummy tone.

Tell me this doesn't sound like a completely fake claim.

It's just a fakeclaim. I am sure of this.

There is one thing that I am really good at, and it's sniffing really bad tones out of players. People will always betray themselves with tone in games with me. I can guarantee you this is not a legit cop claim.

[nomnomnom]

I also know a good reason this is a fakeclaim is simply the timing she got it out. And the fact that when URAP questioned her ungated claim, she claimed a modifier but didn't want to discuss it.

This is textbook LAMIST.

[nomnomnom]

So why, oh, why, isnt the solution to lynch vork?

Seriously, like if youre so strong on associatives, why not lynch it? At least that way you have covered the chance youre wrong and allowed the cop 1-night, or forced scum to kill the cop.

I don't chicken out of reads because of a claim I know is bullshit from start to finish.

[nomnomnom]

Yea, I absolutely agree with you Nom. Like to the point that I think I always scumread shos. But The aggravating (and unjustified) confidence is personality not alignment. I had been on her for the slot history and the wagon. She is saying accuratea things about her meta.

This is a terrible statement to make.

She admitted she is capable of everything as scum. A player has all the reasons to try something new as last resort especially if they are desperate to try something and see what sticks.

There are reasons to claim cop here as scum and you know it. It's not a black or white game, it can have nuances. Think about it for a second and you will know what I mean.

[nomnomnom]

As for desperation:

Cinn & Flub, please unvote me.

Your iso contains a bunch of accusatory statements against people that push you too. As in, scum-accusation statements. All of this makes me feel you're just scum and that this is the angle you adopted this game.

this isn't desperation, it's a personality thing

Scumreading people that push you is a personality thing?

Lynch-worthy personality.

[nomnomnom]

As for desperation:

Cinn & Flub, please unvote me.

Your iso contains a bunch of accusatory statements against people that push you too. As in, scum-accusation statements. All of this makes me feel you're just scum and that this is the angle you adopted this game.

this isn't desperation, it's a personality thing

Scumreading people that push you is a personality thing?

Lynch-worthy personality.

no, the desperation

like you're calling her out on tone, i'm saying i have a fairly decent amount of experience with town!her having .... the exact same tone as this

i've never played with scum!her but i do this song-and-dance (ie defending her for bieng pushed for basically tone) each time, and the only time i was wrong was when she was 3p (and like the tells i use can't really differentiate between 3p!shoshin and town!shoshin becuase her scumhunting can look real as 3p)

the personality thing is *really* annoying to deal with, sure, but it isn't scummy for her

I guess I probably would have reconsidered my case.

But she claimed cop and I know it's a bullshit claim.

[nomnomnom]

There can be more than one cop, U2.

In a 13p game?! This is about the scummiest thing youve said in this entire interchange.

I can point to numerous 13p normal games with multiple cops. I said I had a modifier. It's not a full-strength cop.

I guess I'll just claim this much. I'm an odd-night [redacted] cop.

This is her second time she adapts her claim to make it seem more genuine.

I am telling you, once more: this is a fakeclaim. Lynch this.

[nomnomnom]

did you role crumb at all?

give me a break teacher no one crumbs role when at l-3 with no other wagons as a pr replacing into a game, all you do in that situation is try to get the wagon off you and try to figure out who you're going to replace as the consensus lynch without fucking it up and hitting town

why are you voting me again if this is what you think about teacher?

this is the second time you make accusatory statements yet voting really odd slots at the same time

[nomnomnom]

cause you've pinged me twice and teacher only asked one dumb question

You literally implied he had scum intent and outlined a good reason to do it, but you decide to vote a slot that "pinged you twice"?

Excuse me?

What are you doing dude? Again, this is literally the second time you do this. And ironically enough, the first time was a vote on ED when you had a shit load of reasons outlined to vote other slots, with a greater push.

What game are you playing here, DP? Tell me.

[nomnomnom]

if shoshin flips town then they'll be in trouble

good thing she always flips scum here

[nomnomnom]

@Nom - really I mean it now. Tell me why, in your world with the associatives you have created, you are resistant to going Vork for the day?

Regardless of Shos! alignment, how does it not benefit town?

Town!shos, who has claimed Odd-night [something] cop gets a chance to do her thing. She has to be NK'ed to prevent it. She can (a) be steered to a consensus slot worthy of investigation, and (b) either NK'ed to prevent a slot, or (c) saved to prevent a death if the associative flips green.

Scum!shos can be investigated through the associatives, and has to out some form of result that can be confirmed or debunked tomorrow.

Like Im not seeing the urgency for a D1 lynch with this claim. It is not today.

Because I know she has 0% chances of flipping town.

Making this slot flip makes town win the game on the spot.

[nomnomnom]

@Nom - really I mean it now. Tell me why, in your world with the associatives you have created, you are resistant to going Vork for the day?

Regardless of Shos! alignment, how does it not benefit town?

Town!shos, who has claimed Odd-night [something] cop gets a chance to do her thing. She has to be NK'ed to prevent it. She can (a) be steered to a consensus slot worthy of investigation, and (b) either NK'ed to prevent a slot, or (c) saved to prevent a death if the associative flips green.

Scum!shos can be investigated through the associatives, and has to out some form of result that can be confirmed or debunked tomorrow.

Like Im not seeing the urgency for a D1 lynch with this claim. It is not today.

Because I know she has 0% chances of flipping town.

Making this slot flip makes town win the game on the spot.

Because I know vork's lynch would not amount to her lynch and you should know that too.

It's all a game of perception and making the best moves with what you see.

And what I see is a fakeclaim and a move that town needs to make today. Lynch Shoshin. I guarantee you this wins the game.

If she flips cop, I will literally self-vote out of the game tomorrow.
Ok, you have that degree of confidence. I do not. So given where you are, why not form the consensus that is in line with your reads and still accomplishes the goal.

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huh whoops

@teacher

Because I know vork's lynch would not amount to her lynch and you should know that too.

It's all a game of perception and making the best moves with what you see.

And what I see is a fakeclaim and a move that town needs to make today. Lynch Shoshin. I guarantee you this wins the game.

If she flips cop, I will literally self-vote out of the game tomorrow.
Ok, you have that degree of confidence. I do not. So given where you are, why not form the consensus that is in line with your reads and still accomplishes the goal.

[nomnomnom]

what the fuck is wrong with my posts lmao

please help

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@nom
did you do the nested quote oopsie again?

i shouldn't abuse booze for reaL

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But tomorrow (a) Town!shos is dead or saved; (b) scum!shos is alive and outs results that can be confirmed (with a possible side benefit of scum! holstering the NK).

No, Vork's lynch does not amount to Sho's lynch. But if you believe the associatives youve claimed, you should view it as an effective way to investigate while covering the 0.001% chance youre wrong (which I see as higher).

I know what you're thinking and how you are thinking about this.

But I am telling you: lynching shoshin is the strongest town move today. I know it.

Before I didn't really have that strong of a reason to believe in anyone being greatly scum this game.

But this changes everything. For the love of god, reread Shoshin's ISO and you will see what I've been trying to tell you ever since I started voting her.

She. is. not. cop.

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I lean towards believing the claim. In part because I dont. Here Im trying to learn my lesson from the last time I played with Shos, where I denied even a neap clear on her because I didnt like how she played that much.

You are letting your past experiences define you this game.

This is a contradictory statement. You know that claim is bullshit. Everyone in this game knows it's bullshit. Yet you guys are too scared to vote there because you are too scared of being wrong and looking like a bunch of idiots if this flips cop.

But again, this never flips cop.

Shoshin flipping scum wins the game.

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This is a contradictory statement

triggered

ok nom is wrong&bruisedego!town
I invoke "too bad to be scum" with regards to that slot

"I don't believe that claim"
"therefore it must be true"

are contradictory statements.

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Do you like completely stop reading the sentence/post after you find the first

spelling mistake

grammatical error

perceived flaw in logic?

Because that would explain so much

I understand the whole argument but it's still a contradictory train of thought because that's what lead up to it.

[nomnomnom]

I'm not building an alternative now.

No way.

Not after all of this.

[nomnomnom]

I guess this is how today is.

Either you take the win by sheeping me, or you collectively scratch your heads while scum plan their next move to make you fail.

The choice is yours.

Going to bed now.

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I think lynching Shoshin today is dumb - why is it such a big deal if we wait to see what happens tomorrow?

Because we are going to mislynch if we don't lynch there, that's why.

I just am in disbelief that everyone is scared to vote a cop claim despite it being bullshit. I am even more in disbelief when I see people like teacher saying "yeah I think you're scum BUT".

You are delaying an easy game win for no other reason than being scared. I am guaranteeing you this doesn't flip cop.

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What's happening right now is that whoever her partners is, they're trying their hardest for you not to lynch there and the lack of wagon with 3 days on the clock is going to result in a bad wagon that's going to be town's demise when the answer is clear in front of you.

They're preying on town's mindset that they couldn't reach a conclusion before. THAT is why she wants an additional day. Because she knows it's going to result in a mislynch and chaos given town's organization.

It's not going to create the result you want. Not lynching Shoshin because you're scared IS dumb.

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Nom you haven't actually given us any convincing reason why the claim is bullshit.

Haven't I?

You really think we are unlucky enough that the only push we make this game results in someone claiming cop? In a game with an outed miller?

It's a bullshit convenient claim. Not only the timing was suspicious, but the claim has changed 2 times, and that was in light of a few people's observations about her claim being odd. First a cop, then urap comes in to say that ungated cop is weird, then she claims modified cop, then teacher points a ridiculous comment about it being "possible that 2 cops exist in this game" (which is a REALLY odd statement let me be real here), to then claim odd-night [x] Cop.

If that isn't the worst fakeclaim in existence I don't know what is. This doesn't flip cop dude.

Your comment about her not being good as scum should be proof enough that it's possible for her to make this kind of textbook play as scum and be blatantly obvious with it as well.

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I mean she could still be telling the truth though.
Also she's town. That part I'm sure of even if she isn't cop.

How is she town?

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Can you get into why Pika is town? I really don't know why most of the players townread them.

I can't.

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You just told me shoshin is a scum player that gets caught really easily and that she plays really badly as scum.

A player like that is nor a good agenda pusher, nor a good liar.

I simply see a scum player that is grasping at straws to survive in any way necessary with a really bad claim. That's all I see here.