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Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Mon May 27, 2019 1:19 am

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Hi everyone. I have a weird role this time and I've never seen it in a game to learn strategies on how to play it. Fortunately, the wiki offered handy advice on playing this role:

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The first school of thought is that you should
claim immediately, ideally in your opening post.
This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well.
This is by far the most common way to play the role on mafiascum.net
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The second school of thought is that you should not claim, but should play in such a way as to not get investigated; ideally, you would get yourself killed at Night. If investigated, however, you should expect to get lynched.


I think the people who wrote the wiki probably know what they're talking about so I'm claiming town miller. I'm choosing to take the first piece of advice on the grounds that I don't have the skill as a player to craft the necessary gamestate for option 2. Either way, it looks like I should expect to be lynched. I'll do my best to scum hunt until then. :wink:
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Post Post #16 (isolation #1) » Mon May 27, 2019 1:44 am

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In post 15, Elsa Jay wrote:A Miller in a Micro? Fun.
It's less fun for me! :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Post Post #21 (isolation #2) » Mon May 27, 2019 1:58 am

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In post 17, CheekyTeeky wrote:So pure. You played it right.
I don't really *get* the role. Seems damaging to town for nothing. If I get lynched in the natural course of the game, the reads that I left behind would be reviewed retroactively as coming from a town perspective.

This role more or less ensures town one less player for nothing in return.
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Post Post #26 (isolation #3) » Mon May 27, 2019 2:15 am

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You won't lose the shot? Are vig shots rechargeable?

I'd also be fine with a quick lynch if it's in town's best interest.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #4) » Mon May 27, 2019 2:17 am

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I don't know. Why would you out yourself D1?
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Post Post #41 (isolation #5) » Mon May 27, 2019 2:39 am

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In post 33, nomnomnom wrote: It's easy to get fooled by a player that likes newbtelling left and right but it's easy to see it's extremely forced here.
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Post Post #46 (isolation #6) » Mon May 27, 2019 2:46 am

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I don't know what difference it makes whether I understand the value of the role or not if I followed the wiki advice word for word. Whatever. Lynch me, vig me, or keep me aboard. I'll provide reads periodically through the game for as long as I'm alive.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #7) » Mon May 27, 2019 12:22 pm

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Post Post #128 (isolation #8) » Mon May 27, 2019 12:47 pm

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In post 120, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 118, skitter30 wrote:ok
which elements?
The fact that I feel town!mjl would have asked more deep questions about being a miller (it's meta so feel free to disregard)?
The fact that she proclaims she'll periodically provide reads as the game goes on, speaking like she's an outsider and not an actual member of town? ()
The fact that we were promised some scum hunting but all we got was a self-vote?
I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I'll provide reads when I'm good and ready and not before. Two people haven't even checked in yet.
In post 122, skitter30 wrote:the only oen of those i actually have a problem with is the self-vote actually

incidentally i was the ic in her first newbie game (back when we still had ic's!) and deathtunneled town!her for like two dayphases for being lamist
Good times, good times. :lol:
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Post Post #133 (isolation #9) » Mon May 27, 2019 12:55 pm

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In post 132, skitter30 wrote:@mjl do u have any reads on the people who are here?
I do. I'm about to have dinner so I'll post what I've got in a bit if you don't mind a partial read.
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Post Post #145 (isolation #10) » Mon May 27, 2019 4:43 pm

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In post 136, skitter30 wrote:
In post 133, MaryJoLisa wrote:
In post 132, skitter30 wrote:@mjl do u have any reads on the people who are here?
I do. I'm about to have dinner so I'll post what I've got in a bit if you don't mind a partial read.
sure, take your time :)
Still writing. Got derailed.
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Post Post #146 (isolation #11) » Mon May 27, 2019 7:31 pm

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In post 33, nomnomnom wrote: It's easy to get fooled by a player that likes newbtelling left and right but it's easy to see it's extremely forced here.
Have we even met before?
In post 44, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 42, skitter30 wrote:
In post 40, nomnomnom wrote:Now explain to me how someone would follow the play section to the letter and somehow not understand the role when it's explained just before.
I don't understand the problem you're having really, she can read the advice on how to play without getting the role of a miller in a setup
Even if it's just before? I'm fairly sure town!MJL would have read the thing just on top and asked more questions about the place of a miller in a setup but in here she acted confused. That's how I feel about the slot anyway.
I educated myself to the best of my ability on my role PM and I pulled the trigger on my chosen course of action. I did not plead ignorance as to the weight or wisdom of my actions, both with role claiming and self-voting, or ask for special consideration for any reason (newness or otherwise). If I had questions about my role for the player base, I’d have asked them before role claiming. My feelings about the value of the miller role are immaterial to this game.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #12) » Mon May 27, 2019 7:40 pm

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@Skitter, these are not anywhere near as fleshed out as I'd like them to be but I want to make sure to put them down here before I go to sleep just in case I get hammered before I can log back in.

Saudade:
I don’t know what his shtick is, but I’m willing to give him a town read in light of other, more tempting scum candidates.
CheekyTeeky:
Yeah, she’s a scum read for me. (Sorry, Cheeky!) See Elsa Jay for more info.
DeltaWave:
null
Lil Uzi Vert:
I think town for Uzi.
skitter30:
Town. If Skitter is scum, she deserves the win because I’m totally buying the town play.
Creature:
null
nomnomnom:
Town. I really want to scum read this but I can’t yet. If I'm around tomorrow, I'll try to build a town and scum case so I can better sort this player with the evidence in front of me.
Elsa Jay:
Scum. (Sorry, Elsa!) The acceptance of my claiming miller seemed perfectly natural to Elsa; like he was aware that I wasn’t scum, so my miller claim was plausible. Still digesting the day’s events, but I thought the daychat slip was over-compensated for between Elsa Jay and CheekyTeeky. They were still doing damage control even though my miller claim had taken my, Skitter and noms' attention.

My personal preference is that scum is Elsa and nom, but my logic tells me Elsa and Cheeky are a more likely pair. This of course could change when Creature and DeltaWave show up.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #13) » Tue May 28, 2019 6:48 am

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Thanks for replacing in so quickly, Blake.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #14) » Tue May 28, 2019 12:02 pm

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I don't scum read you, Saudade. Or you, LUV.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #15) » Tue May 28, 2019 12:17 pm

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In post 280, Blake Belladonna wrote:
In post 279, Ankamius wrote:MJL are your reads the same as they were when you last posted them?
My reads are the same.
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Post Post #290 (isolation #16) » Tue May 28, 2019 12:23 pm

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In post 288, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 282, MaryJoLisa wrote:
In post 280, Blake Belladonna wrote:
In post 279, Ankamius wrote:MJL are your reads the same as they were when you last posted them?
My reads are the same.
Right weren't you supposed to make a town/scum me case later on?
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Post Post #295 (isolation #17) » Tue May 28, 2019 12:29 pm

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In post 293, Creature wrote:Oh right, Blake is Ankle.
I don't know how no one else saw that. I thought it was an open alt. :lol:
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Post Post #396 (isolation #18) » Tue May 28, 2019 2:23 pm

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Is there any precedent in normal games with 9 players that there would be 3 scum?
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Post Post #451 (isolation #19) » Tue May 28, 2019 3:22 pm

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In post 396, MaryJoLisa wrote:Is there any precedent in normal games with 9 players that there would be 3 scum?
In post 397, Blake Belladonna wrote:I'd be very shocked.
What is the point of having an encryptor if there are only two scum? Just make day-talk a thing and once either of them gets lynched, they can't talk to themselves in the mafia PT during the day time.

"Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor."

The only reason to have this in the setup from what I can see is that there would be more than 2 scum.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #20) » Tue May 28, 2019 3:26 pm

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In post 455, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 451, MaryJoLisa wrote:
In post 396, MaryJoLisa wrote:Is there any precedent in normal games with 9 players that there would be 3 scum?
In post 397, Blake Belladonna wrote:I'd be very shocked.
What is the point of having an encryptor if there are only two scum? Just make day-talk a thing and once either of them gets lynched, they can't talk to themselves in the mafia PT during the day time.

"Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor."

The only reason to have this in the setup from what I can see is that there would be more than 2 scum.
Do you really think this game has 3 scums AND a miller, assuming your claim is true?

Don't you think this is pretty scum sided? Like even if you think it could have a traitor that sounds pretty ludicrous.
How the fuck should I know?
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Post Post #505 (isolation #21) » Wed May 29, 2019 1:30 am

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Updated Reads:

Saudade
: Town
CheekyTeeky
: Slight scum lean. Maybe Cheeky and Elsa are just more friendly together than Cheeky and Blake? Not feeling the same energy there any more.
DeltaWave
: Null
Lil Uzi Vert
: Town. No idea what you guys are seeing here, but I’m not seeing it.
skitter30
: Town. I can tinfoil hat this and make a case for a Skitter/Blake team, but I’d need to find actual evidence to support the likelihood of that. Right now, it's just a feeling.
Creature
: Null. Need support for changing my read.
Nomnomnom
: Strongest town read.
Blake Belladonna
: Scum still. (Sorry)

@Nomnomnom, I know I said I’d build a case for either town or scum, but I’m not feeling a scum read on you at all so I don’t want to spend my time considering it when no one else is calling you out.
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Post Post #512 (isolation #22) » Wed May 29, 2019 1:38 am

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In post 506, Blake Belladonna wrote:I think I'm always going to be confused about why I get scumread in most of my towngames.
It's not you. It's Elsa. I've got it stuck in my head that Elsa was scum and I'm having trouble shaking it.

FWIW, if you had started in this game from the beginning, I'd probably be sheeping off you. Your charisma and logic seems fine to me.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #23) » Wed May 29, 2019 3:50 am

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VOTE: Blake Belladonna Looks like that's L-1.
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Post Post #526 (isolation #24) » Wed May 29, 2019 3:52 am

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I had a really bad feel from Elsa. :(
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Post Post #529 (isolation #25) » Wed May 29, 2019 3:53 am

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Actually, Blake, that's exactly what we need is a good compass for us to follow. Can you give us a good reads list to follow?
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Post Post #542 (isolation #26) » Wed May 29, 2019 4:02 am

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UNVOTE:

Cause Skitter said.
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Post Post #599 (isolation #27) » Wed May 29, 2019 6:32 am

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In post 597, Saudade wrote:Fuck ya'll reading people based off tone, ridiculous statement go back to the newbie queue
It's better in the newbie queue. :igmeou:
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Post Post #601 (isolation #28) » Wed May 29, 2019 6:35 am

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Yes actually you can. She's on my list.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #29) » Wed May 29, 2019 6:38 am

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Are you drunk?
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Post Post #621 (isolation #30) » Wed May 29, 2019 10:13 am

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What game @Cheeky?
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Post Post #631 (isolation #31) » Wed May 29, 2019 11:50 am

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In post 629, Creature wrote:
In post 628, nomnomnom wrote:The lynch should be in {skitter, blake, LUV}.
Would only do skitter out of these.
Why Skitter?
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Post Post #775 (isolation #32) » Thu May 30, 2019 1:13 am

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Updated reads

Saudade
– Could make a case for scum. Still reading through Cheeky’s links.
CheekyTeeky
– Previously scum reading her, but the meta for Saudade is resonating with me and I don’t mind if she’s all over the place with her SR’s. If she’s town, it makes sense to see her SRs change as she works out the puzzle.
TDC
– I’m reading strong town with this player. He seems honest and open and he’s diving right in with reads that feel genuine and logical.
Lil Uzi Vert
– I’m *still* not seeing what everyone else is seeing. I’ll put looking into his meta on my list of things to do.
skitter30
- I can definitely make a scum case for Skitter, but I’ll need to look at some more town and scum samples to sort her better. Right now, she feels very much like she did in my first game with her, so I’m still giving her a town read.
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– Still null.
Nomnomnom
– Still town.
Blake Belladonna
– Scum lean, but not as strong as it was yesterday.
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Post Post #827 (isolation #33) » Thu May 30, 2019 3:11 am

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In post 824, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 823, Creature wrote:This game is a headache.

There should have a big obvipus difference between the gamestate of a town that magically solved the game early D1 and the the gamestate of a town unwilling tp reconsider their reads while scum are perfectly fine with hpw the game is going.
It's alright, I figured it out for you.

Sheep me now and let me be your painkiller.
I'll sheep you nomnom
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Post Post #830 (isolation #34) » Thu May 30, 2019 3:16 am

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VOTE: Skitter
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Post Post #904 (isolation #35) » Thu May 30, 2019 5:25 am

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In post 901, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I actually think we need others to weigh-in.

Paging Mary Jo :nerd:
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Post Post #946 (isolation #36) » Thu May 30, 2019 5:41 am

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In post 941, Saudade wrote:is Blake Ankamius
unless there was a coordinated alt-slip post by Ankamius with a person pretending to be her, then I'd say yes, Blake is Ankamius.
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Post Post #949 (isolation #37) » Thu May 30, 2019 5:42 am

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In post 938, Saudade wrote: do you ever express yourself on your own and not in context of another player mate
Not this game, no.
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Post Post #955 (isolation #38) » Thu May 30, 2019 5:43 am

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In post 952, Saudade wrote:
In post 949, MaryJoLisa wrote:
In post 938, Saudade wrote: do you ever express yourself on your own and not in context of another player mate
Not this game, no.
no you've actually done well I'm talking to luv
Oh. Then I guess yes, this game I do.
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Post Post #971 (isolation #39) » Thu May 30, 2019 5:47 am

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I'm going back to sheeping Skitter, Nomnom.

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Post Post #1061 (isolation #40) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:29 am

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Would it be overly ballsy for a scum team of Cheeky and Skitter to fake claim masons? I mean Skitter only had two votes on her.
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #41) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:48 am

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In post 1076, TDC wrote:To be honest, the way Cheeky played it is probably far from optimal town play, but I don't see it as viable scum play though, because in a micro they would obv. go down in any mass cliam scenario that doesn't add up. Also I find it hard to believe skitter would try to coach her as she did in broad daylight (the it's not a town tel for me when cheaky initially justified her town read).

Balance wise I'm with Nom, I think we might be looking at three scum here, though not necessarily a group of three.
Nom was pretty clear that he did not think there would be 3 scum. Has this changed?
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #42) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:50 am

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In post 1095, Skygazer wrote:(the sample role pm is a generic mafia goon sample and may or may not be indicative of actual role PMs sent)

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Post Post #1099 (isolation #43) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:51 am

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In post 1098, CheekyTeeky wrote:How do masons not have daytalk?! What do you think masons are?!
Maybe Masons just talk during the night phase?
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Post Post #1108 (isolation #44) » Thu May 30, 2019 7:00 am

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In post 455, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 451, MaryJoLisa wrote:
In post 396, MaryJoLisa wrote:Is there any precedent in normal games with 9 players that there would be 3 scum?
What is the point of having an encryptor if there are only two scum? Just make day-talk a thing and once either of them gets lynched, they can't talk to themselves in the mafia PT during the day time.

"Day-talk is not active barring the existence of an encryptor."

The only reason to have this in the setup from what I can see is that there would be more than 2 scum.
Do you really think this game has 3 scums AND a miller, assuming your claim is true?

Don't you think this is pretty scum sided? Like even if you think it could have a traitor that sounds pretty ludicrous.
In post 457, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 456, MaryJoLisa wrote:How the fuck should I know?
I don't know, common sense?
What changed here?
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Post Post #1142 (isolation #45) » Thu May 30, 2019 7:47 am

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@Nomnom, what pronouns do you use? I'm seeing people use both.
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #46) » Thu May 30, 2019 8:24 am

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In post 1152, Saudade wrote:Did you guys know that any returning force acts like a harmonic oscillator given a small enough scale
I had never thought of it.
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #47) » Thu May 30, 2019 1:05 pm

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In post 1229, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why do you find me hard to read Skitter?
Good question. I've diagnosed you with townism this game, so I don't understand what everyone is seeing.
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Post Post #1264 (isolation #48) » Thu May 30, 2019 1:08 pm

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Were I in your shoes, I'd be getting rid of the sketchy unknown.

I even offered to vote for myself to help town narrow down the playing field. In fact, the offer still stands.
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Post Post #1337 (isolation #49) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:45 pm

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Did Skitter tell you to tell me who to sheep?
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Post Post #1347 (isolation #50) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:14 pm

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Tone it down. Your scum is hanging out all over the place.
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Post Post #1356 (isolation #51) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:25 pm

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In post 1351, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1350, TDC wrote:
In post 1346, nomnomnom wrote:Plus now that we have confirmed masons the miller claim seems incredibly more dubious.
Please explain so someone who has essentially no idea about site meta can understand.
Mason and miller go together as well as apples and oranges. Why put a single miller in a game where there are high chances where masons are likely to be the only REAL power of town? Especially when one of the masons happens to be a mailman on top of that?
My only power role capacity seems to be fucking with people's heads. Miller seems like a stupid role.

Cheeky, I'm with you honey.
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Post Post #1366 (isolation #52) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:39 pm

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In post 1363, nomnomnom wrote:We just need to go forward this game, most of the clues are D1.
Today is a speedlynch day.
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VOTE: Nomnomnom
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Post Post #1371 (isolation #53) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:43 pm

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Boss lady has spoken.

VOTE: Blake Belladonna
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Post Post #1729 (isolation #54) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:20 am

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In post 1700, Saudade wrote:Tbh id send some of you back to the newbie queue
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Post Post #1742 (isolation #55) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:24 am

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In post 1736, CheekyTeeky wrote:MJL get me out of here please.
I can't do that, Cheeky. I can't sheep you to TDC. You have to make logical picks.
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Post Post #1746 (isolation #56) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:25 am

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In post 1741, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1730, TDC wrote:
In post 1724, CheekyTeeky wrote:Omg fine. VOTE: TDC I'm fully over this game.
Good luck.
Why do you let yourself get bullied like this? Wtf.
You'd get it if you were constantly bitched at by obnoxious people.

UNVOTE:
Who is bullying you? I have to go back and read. Don't let someone bully you like that. If they're bullying you, then they're hiding something.
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Post Post #1756 (isolation #57) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:32 am

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In post 1749, CheekyTeeky wrote:Don't mind me I'm just moodily pregnant lol. I'll take a break for a bit.
Oh yeah. I totally get it. :igmeou: *hugs*

I need to get some work done right now, so I can't go back and read all the pages in this thread right now. If someone is bullying you, they're probably scum. If they're just fucking around with you to sort you, that's one thing, but aggression comes from people who are scared and are lashing out.

just my two cents.
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Post Post #1778 (isolation #58) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:43 am

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@Nomnomnom, what are your pronouns? I asked you earlier but I don't think you answered. Some people call you he and others she.
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Post Post #1784 (isolation #59) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:49 am

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In post 1779, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1778, MaryJoLisa wrote:@Nomnomnom, what are your pronouns? I asked you earlier but I don't think you answered. Some people call you he and others she.
Okay, thank you. Sorry I missed that post, because I did refer to you as a "they."
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Post Post #1786 (isolation #60) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:50 am

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On the subject of referring to people, can you please not refer to me as a "this."

Like "this" is scum, or "vote for this." It's dehumanizing.
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Post Post #1883 (isolation #61) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:35 am

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In post 1831, Blake Belladonna wrote:I apologize LUV, there is actually one scenario where you are not mafia.

TDC/MJL is where I'm leaning now, I think.
Blake knows absolutely better than anyone else that I don't have the skill to pull off faking a claim. I don't know what roles *can* be in the game that can possibly contradict my claim and a scum partner directing me to do this must trust that I have the confidence and know-how to defend a fake claim. No one in their right mind would trust me to do that and I'd tell my scum partner outright that I can't pull that off.

And Blake knows that *very* well. Coming from someone else, the suggestion may have merit. Coming from Blake, the proposal is absurd.
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Post Post #1930 (isolation #62) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:30 am

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In post 1928, TDC wrote:Anyone here who would spare saudade in any possible endgame they could feature in after the town-me scum-blake lynch series?
huh?
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Post Post #1935 (isolation #63) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:33 am

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In post 1932, TDC wrote:imagine you are in endgame with saudade and luv or nom.
Dio you lynch saudade?
If that were happening today, I think I'd lynch Nom, but I wouldn't rule out anyone.
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Post Post #1952 (isolation #64) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:56 am

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In post 1948, nomnomnom wrote:Although I think Saud would have already caused a lynch on any of you then death tunneled on me on F5 so you know
Sorry, what is F5?
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #65) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:14 am

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Did someone claim innocent child, or are we referring to cheeky as that because she's confirmed town?
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Post Post #2057 (isolation #66) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:17 am

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Does this mean scum sacrificed their day-talk when they took out Cheeky?
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Post Post #2067 (isolation #67) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:35 am

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You, Nom nom, may possibly be the voice of reason. But you're also the least trustworthy person in the game right now. So I'm going to need to think long and hard about how awesome your game solving skills really are, and whether or not you're actually coming from a town position and not a scum position.
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Post Post #2073 (isolation #68) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:40 am

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In post 2070, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2067, MaryJoLisa wrote:You, Nom nom, may possibly be the voice of reason. But you're also the least trustworthy person in the game right now. So I'm going to need to think long and hard about how awesome your game solving skills really are, and whether or not you're actually coming from a town position and not a scum position.
I know that. I am simply carrying Skitter's and Blake's gamesolving with me, which is what I wanted from the start. As long as you believe in our collective sorting skills, we cannot lose. If you do not trust me, trust Blake and Skitter with their reads. I did this to prove a point. It's better to have someone leading everyone, rather than 3 good solvers that do not listen to each other.

Saudade just locked himself if he really is scum. You have to understand how illogical it is to believe I am bussing my partner, yet not voting the guy if that's what he thinks. It's as simple as that.
I don't think about games during the two day scum-plotting period. So I'll need time to comb through the thread. If you're relying on my vote, be thinking in terms of days not hours.
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Post Post #2194 (isolation #69) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:18 am

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In post 2187, nomnomnom wrote:LUV is mechanically locked as scum.
Great! Can you please spell this out for me like I'm a four-year-old? How *exactly* is LUV mechanically locked as scum.
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Post Post #2196 (isolation #70) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:45 am

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I'd still really like to hear this from Nomnom. I think it's important that if he makes a statement like that, that he backs it up with something solid.

I want to remind everyone that if a lynch depends on my vote, this will be *days* away.
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Post Post #2215 (isolation #71) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:27 am

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In post 2200, nomnomnom wrote:I voted LUV, Saudade voted me. None of us got quickhammered. That means the scumpair is in me/Saudade/LUV, even more so when I have 2 votes on me and I am not dead yet.

Unless you believe that me and Saudade is the scumteam, LUV is mechanically locked as scum. Hell even Saud said outright that "I was bussing my partner" yet voted me. There are reasons for Saud to vote me and not LUV early here, and that's because it's easier to follow a quickhammer on me were you to vote me out of spite. If you take your time to think things through, it's easy to see Saud/LUV is the scumteam. They are banking on my bad image getting me lynched today, but I know it's not going to happen if I say that the vote is simply me follow Blake and Skitter's solve post death. That's all there is to it. I would never force this kind of situation as scum either, not with that bad of an image.
With respect, hugs, and kisses to Blake, she tinfoil hatted me into a position where I was fake role claiming town miller as scum. She knows full and well I can't do that. So I will read Blake's posts, and I will dissect them the best that I can, but I have to also consider that paranoia was a factor in her reads.
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Post Post #2218 (isolation #72) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:30 am

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In post 2213, TDC wrote:
In post 2211, nomnomnom wrote:I'm telling you: The facts point at me being town, but you just wish really fucking hard I was scum because of how I acted this game. The thing is that you think you're going to punish me with a vote on me, but you're simply going to cost yourself the game doing this. Just take a step back. It's REALLY easy once you put your emotions aside for a second.
How about you put my "emotions" aside? It is really tedious. I honestly don't give a fuck whether you win or not.
Yeah, I'm with TDC here. I will not be swayed with charisma, pleading, or any displays of emotion. Don't tell me stuff, show me.
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Post Post #2219 (isolation #73) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:31 am

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In post 2217, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2215, MaryJoLisa wrote:
In post 2200, nomnomnom wrote:I voted LUV, Saudade voted me. None of us got quickhammered. That means the scumpair is in me/Saudade/LUV, even more so when I have 2 votes on me and I am not dead yet.

Unless you believe that me and Saudade is the scumteam, LUV is mechanically locked as scum. Hell even Saud said outright that "I was bussing my partner" yet voted me. There are reasons for Saud to vote me and not LUV early here, and that's because it's easier to follow a quickhammer on me were you to vote me out of spite. If you take your time to think things through, it's easy to see Saud/LUV is the scumteam. They are banking on my bad image getting me lynched today, but I know it's not going to happen if I say that the vote is simply me follow Blake and Skitter's solve post death. That's all there is to it. I would never force this kind of situation as scum either, not with that bad of an image.
With respect, hugs, and kisses to Blake, she tinfoil hatted me into a position where I was fake role claiming town miller as scum. She knows full and well I can't do that. So I will read Blake's posts, and I will dissect them the best that I can, but I have to also consider that paranoia was a factor in her reads.
Then you should know that how she acted the remaining of the day was paranoia-fueled, as I was saying earlier! I told you this, this is the entire reason why she started doubting me, it's because no consensus was being reached and she started letting her mind wander through solves that were fueled with paranoia. You out of all players should know this. The fact of the matter is that she had both of us town for the entire game until you guys REFUSED to just lynch TDC and go to F5. This is the result of that. There is a reason for everything this game. It's literally the same reason creature got lynched in the end, it's because town was just too stubborn as a whole.
I will review the entire game and discuss it here as I find things.
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Post Post #2235 (isolation #74) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:56 am

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In post 2231, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2230, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:All you’re doing is pleading that we trust Blake and Skitter’s solve because you can’t possibly be wrong about their being scum in us 3. You aren’t trying to solve the game anymore and that means you’re scum.
I don't need to do this anymore since the scumteam is LITERALLY confirmed to me from my POV. I am helping the other two townies to reach the same conclusion as me here. "Not trying to solve anymore". Nice joke.
Good. What would really be helpful is if you'll answer my questions over the next few days as unimpassionately as possible. Sticks to facts and meta as demonstrated through past games.
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Post Post #2240 (isolation #75) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:58 am

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In post 2236, nomnomnom wrote:Another fact is you can see how LUV and Saudade have been interacting today is SvS, versus how I interacted towards both of them and you are going to see clear as day that they simply do not interact between each other. Saudade made sure to tunnel on me and is just committed to his wall tunnel and LUV is just pushing me heavily on a 1v1.
Okay, I'm not so sure that you know what a fact is. I think we can still work together, though.
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Post Post #2242 (isolation #76) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:01 am

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In post 2239, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Anything for me Mary Jo?
Nothing yet. I'm seriously thinking days out. Unless the group wants to hammer without me, then it'll take me some time to reread this game and reframe it with the known slots in place. We've got 9 days on the timer, so I'm thinking I've got time.
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Post Post #2243 (isolation #77) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:02 am

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I'm actually going to check out of this game for the day and start my own process.
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Post Post #2251 (isolation #78) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:07 am

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In post 2248, Saudade wrote:@Mary/TDC do you need me or can I go smash things in other games
Go smash things. Have fun. Check back tomorrow, though. :]
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Post Post #2270 (isolation #79) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:56 pm

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@Nomnomnom, who is scum in this game?
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Post Post #2274 (isolation #80) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:46 pm

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@Skygazer, can I please use the phone a friend option? I need to talk to Skitter.

Heading to bed folks. I'll be around tomorrow.
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Post Post #2402 (isolation #81) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:20 am

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@TDC, since Skitter entrusted her mail to you, I figure that means Skitter thinks you're town.

How do you feel about a @LUV vote?
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Post Post #2404 (isolation #82) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:28 am

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Yeah, I just noticed the votes.

With 3 town v. 2 scum, that means scum wins for sure if town is mislynched. Right?
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Post Post #2406 (isolation #83) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:32 am

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nomnomnom (2): Saudade, Lil Uzi Vert
Saudade (1): nomnomnom

Not Voting (2): TDC, MaryJoLisa

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 will end in 7 days, 5 hours, 51 minutes.

But let's say in some crazy tinfoil hat world that you, nomnom, are scum and your partner is TDC. In this scenario, you can have two town votes on you and scum!TDC would not want to hammer.
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Post Post #2407 (isolation #84) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:34 am

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In post 2405, nomnomnom wrote:Yeah. If TDC or you were scum, I would have already been lynched. I basically confirmed the scumteam from my POV and locked the vote between the three of us, which is a pro-town move. The better scum move would have been to let mystery on your slot and TDC's still, and taking the fall for a partner. Already explained this earlier, I can requote if you want me to.
You explain a lot, but you explain it with such force that I dismiss a lot of it as AtE. Sorry. :(
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Post Post #2410 (isolation #85) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:37 am

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If you and TDC were scum, and TDC bussed you, then we'd be town 3 town v 1 scum. scum!You would NK someone, and we'd be town 2 town v 1 scum. This is not an automatic lose for scum.

For what reason would scum!TDC NK me?
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Post Post #2411 (isolation #86) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:38 am

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In post 2409, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2407, MaryJoLisa wrote:
In post 2405, nomnomnom wrote:Yeah. If TDC or you were scum, I would have already been lynched. I basically confirmed the scumteam from my POV and locked the vote between the three of us, which is a pro-town move. The better scum move would have been to let mystery on your slot and TDC's still, and taking the fall for a partner. Already explained this earlier, I can requote if you want me to.
You explain a lot, but you explain it with such force that I dismiss a lot of it as AtE. Sorry. :(
I say things with conviction because it's important to show where I stand with the things I say. I'm an emotional player and I'll admit that I am not free of AtE. But behind my frustrated posts, there still are observations and things that are true most of the time. That's the most important.
I understand that. It takes me longer to weed through your posts though. We've got time.
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Post Post #2415 (isolation #87) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:44 am

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I'm just going to think out loud for a moment.

TDC cannot be scum with me because we'd have hammered town!You. In fact, TDC can only be scum at this point if you're his partner. I did check, he's been active since two votes were placed on you.
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Post Post #2416 (isolation #88) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:46 am

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I'll be offline from noon today(EST) until some time this evening, BTW. I don't want anyone sitting on tinder hooks if they're waiting on my vote.
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Post Post #2419 (isolation #89) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:09 am

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Hi, Lil Uzi!
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Post Post #2420 (isolation #90) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:09 am

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Lil Uzi, what do you think of a Saudade vote?
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Post Post #2449 (isolation #91) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:25 am

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Before I head out for the day, I want to apologize for taking so long to parse this game. I know some of you are bored with the pacing (were I in your shoes, I sure as hell would be), but I can only go at the pace that I can go. I've also got a really full plate off the forum right now.
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Post Post #2450 (isolation #92) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:26 am

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@Nom am I scum this game?
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Post Post #2453 (isolation #93) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:28 am

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k.
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Post Post #2468 (isolation #94) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:41 am

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In post 2467, Saudade wrote:why are we still here boys
Cause I'm stupid. :(
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Post Post #2469 (isolation #95) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:42 am

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@TDC,vote LUV or Nom? I need to know.
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Post Post #2482 (isolation #96) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:08 am

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From a totally different game on this site:
In post 293, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Reviewapalooza time already? :(
Oh, and BTW, LUV, "reviewapalooza" is an awesome term. Was it in use before I used it in April?

(Been off meta diving)
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Post Post #2484 (isolation #97) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:10 am

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YESSSSSS! I want full credit in the wiki if this becomes a thing. Full credit!
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Post Post #2490 (isolation #98) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:56 am

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I can make the strongest case to vote LUV.

VOTE: LUV

I'm really sorry if this results in a town loss, but LUV feels the least town. Nom, if you're masterminding this whole thing, I will take my hat off to you and offer my most sincere congratulations for a game well manipulated.
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Post Post #2514 (isolation #99) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:16 am

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In post 2507, nomnomnom wrote:tbh if MJL really was scum I would be so pissed for her slowrolling me for an entire day lmao

Good thing she's not scum
I promise you I would not take this much time if I didn't need it. Obviously if I was scum and you were town, I'd have quickhammered you and been done with it. :P
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Post Post #2516 (isolation #100) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:18 am

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:lol: No, I don't do things like that. That would be really shitty.
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Post Post #2518 (isolation #101) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:21 am

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I really just want LUV to have been scum so I can say that I made the right call. And if not, I offer my apologies to town for dropping the ball.

I happen to really like LUV for the record. <3
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Post Post #2527 (isolation #102) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:58 am

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That has yet to be determined. I might also be so analytical that I dismissed social cues and got town lynched.
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Post Post #2535 (isolation #103) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:46 pm

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Uhhhh shit. This was not a contingency I anticipated.
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Post Post #2539 (isolation #104) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:20 pm

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In post 2537, Saudade wrote:Is this even allowed
Is what allowed?
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Post Post #2541 (isolation #105) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:23 pm

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Alright, Saudade. Why Nomnom and not TDC?
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Post Post #2545 (isolation #106) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:36 pm

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@Mod:
the thread was locked before so I couldn't mention it in advance but I'm V/LA for a few days. I'll probably still be around to post daily, though.
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Post Post #2546 (isolation #107) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:40 pm

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In hindsight, a no kill might have been pretty wise. I can make a case for it, anyway.
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Post Post #2548 (isolation #108) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:46 pm

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Giving the last day a read through. Feeling very good about my wagon on LUV now. Very good, indeed. Miss having him in the game, but, well, you know.

Same as before, I need to parse out a lot of data. Be thinking in terms of several days out. Sorry everyone. I don't think about games during the night phase and I need time to think things through.

(It's not because I'm a newer player, for the record. It's because I'm a moron.)
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Post Post #2549 (isolation #109) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:46 pm

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In post 2547, nomnomnom wrote:Probably did this so one can sway the other.

VOTE: Saudade

The moment of truth.
Why Saudade and not TDC?
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Post Post #2551 (isolation #110) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:48 pm

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In post 2548, MaryJoLisa wrote: I don't think about games during the night phase and I need time to think things through.
I did consider the mechanics, and case in point, that was a waste of time.
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Post Post #2565 (isolation #111) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:15 pm

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You want me to vote for you?

I said I was V/LA fair and square. :(
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Post Post #2566 (isolation #112) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:16 pm

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Eh. I can focus on the game for a little bit before I head to bed.

Saudade, is there any universe in which you will vote for TDC instead of Nom?
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Post Post #2569 (isolation #113) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:19 pm

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:(
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Post Post #2571 (isolation #114) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:21 pm

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If you have to replace out, I fully understand. I just need more time. I'm really, really sorry. :(
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Post Post #2572 (isolation #115) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:22 pm

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I'm busy RL and I need to pick this game apart and I'd like to get some feedback from TDC.
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Post Post #2574 (isolation #116) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:36 pm

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What would the advantage be of not issuing the NK?

If town is me and TDC, then leaving both of us in the game doesn't change anything. No one was ever going to vote for either TDC or me, so why not just use the NK?
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Post Post #2575 (isolation #117) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:37 pm

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it's okay if you need to focus on getting better, TDC. We can check in another time.
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Post Post #2613 (isolation #118) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:25 am

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Okay, I'm ready. I'm also just want to end this. TDC if you need me to walk you through any of my reasoning, say the word.

VOTE: Nomnom
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Post Post #2616 (isolation #119) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:36 am

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UNVOTE:

Not changing my mind. Just something *just* came up this second. BBL.
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Post Post #2621 (isolation #120) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:43 pm

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You want to discuss it, we can. I do not think you can change my mind, but I didn't want TDC to come in and hammer before I've had the chance to reevaluate. I'll give you a fair shake. We have time. Something has come up that will consume my evening but I'll be back on track by tomorrow to pull apart what you've said.

Can I assume that the posts above have a well ordered, and well supported argument that does not boil down to AtE? If you need to support something, a narrative with post numbers (I don't even need them to be linked) will work just fine.
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Post Post #2622 (isolation #121) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:52 pm

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Oh, and Nomnom, don't go balls to the wall on this. Just something simple like "This is what I think about x,y,z in posts 1, 2, 3. In most cases, town wouldn't do this because of a,b,c reasons."
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Post Post #2624 (isolation #122) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:57 pm

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Great! See you tomorrow. (no tricks either. I said I'm not voting until then and you can take that to the bank)
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Post Post #2659 (isolation #123) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:17 am

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Wow. Okay, Nom. I'm back. I've read through your appeal, and I'm not seeing your case. A big reason why I was willing to let it go was because I wasn't in a position to defend my logic to TDC if he didn't see what I saw and I also didn't want to ignore your argument. Obviously TDC sees it's you without any prodding from me.

The only tinfoil hat case I can possibly make is that TDC is scum and he was so sick that he didn't vote. Both you and Saud have insisted that in no way shape and or form can it possibly be TDC, so I'm letting that go.

Saud, seriously if you're scum, then you've done an amazing job of not leaving a trail behind in this thread.

Here's the case: In posts , , , , LUV is throwing a little cover to Nom. I didn't see any cover being thrown to Saud, and in fact in post 873, LUV was more than willing to vote for Saud.

LUV TR's Nom is , and calls him "transparently town" in post .

Early on, LUV and Saud are speaking to one another, but LUV didn't really start speaking *to* Nom until day 3, when they lost their encryptor.

I think the whole thing of voting for each other in day 3 was a gambit and the intention was for Nom to "weasel his way out of it," as shown in post .
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Post Post #2660 (isolation #124) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:19 am

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In post 2619, nomnomnom wrote:And you know,
I have this feeling that you just don't want to take a good seat and read through the entire thread given the number of pages.
That's fine. If that's the case, we can simply talk and I can reference the points I made earlier in the thread. I want discussion before you commit with this. I'll take anything at this point.
No prob! I can sort through data pretty quickly when I need to.
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Post Post #2661 (isolation #125) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:23 am

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@Skygazer, you around?
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Post Post #2663 (isolation #126) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:30 am

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Okay. VOTE: Nomnomnom
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Post Post #2667 (isolation #127) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:36 am

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Saudade, you did an excellent job! Well played!
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Post Post #2669 (isolation #128) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:38 am

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I'm sorry that it took me so long to finally make a decision, I really am.

Nom, there was no universe where I was going to not vote for you. Saud played a clean game and he earned the win.
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Post Post #2670 (isolation #129) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:38 am

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@LUV you also played a very clean game. You both earned the win.
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Post Post #2677 (isolation #130) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:40 am

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In post 2671, TDC wrote:I'm not sure he actually played.
But he wasn't feeding me emotion. He stayed steady the whole game.
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Post Post #2678 (isolation #131) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:41 am

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Thanks for modding, @Skygazer. You were on the ball the whole time.
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Post Post #2695 (isolation #132) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:53 am

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In post 2685, nomnomnom wrote:I'd say I actually was the cause town lost and I feel bad about it. If I was slightly calmer I think Saudade would have been a bit more clearly scum. But hey, that's the game and you learn things everyday I guess. Probably the last time I take a game this much to heart too. That's not healthy.
Well, I learned something about your playstyle. So there's that. :wink:
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Post Post #2707 (isolation #133) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:58 am

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In post 2700, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2694, Saudade wrote:the loss wasnt your fault nomnom
You played well. I think I actually had close to no chance winning that 1v1. My only way out imo was pointing it out and I did, but that was not enough.
If it's down to me, using charisma to sell me on something is an instant turnoff. I always wonder if you need to use so much *push* to sell your idea, then it must not have merit on its own.
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Post Post #2710 (isolation #134) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:01 am

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In post 2706, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2704, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 2697, nomnomnom wrote:I can't believe we reached 100 pages in a micro holy

and the saddest fact is that most of me is rambling like a maniac LMAO
Fluffing and flooding. I’ve gone and back forth will several people on this but overall I think it’s a fair scum strategy. As scum, you can essentially create a game state in which town are reluctant to re-read or engage the game because there are too many posts.
Guilt over being a stream-of-consciousness poster rising LMAO
The fluffing and flooding had nothing to do with anything. I can scroll right past that silliness.
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Post Post #2718 (isolation #135) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:11 am

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In post 2709, nomnomnom wrote:That's not AI fwiw, that's just how I am as a person. I WILL spend my time debating and restructuring my points to get my point across in different ways. That's just how I am for better and worse.
Actually, I ended D3 with the LUV vote because I thought it might be possible that he was on a team with you. In fact, I thought that was the most likely combination out of the group.

I pushed LUV because I knew if I got into D4 with him, he'd be better equipped to feed me BS that I'd believe.
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Post Post #2720 (isolation #136) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:13 am

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In post 2712, RadiantCowbells wrote:this was painful to read
:( I tried really hard, though.
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Post Post #2725 (isolation #137) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:21 am

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Hey Nom. I enjoyed playing the game with you.

This was a good group all around. Thanks all for being fun to be around.
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Post Post #2739 (isolation #138) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:33 am

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Like what?
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Post Post #2763 (isolation #139) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:16 am

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In post 2761, nomnomnom wrote:Yeaaaah that day 2 was not brilliant from my part lol
Yeah, I got this kind of town bashing vibe from you. So when it came time to apply what I'd learned about your reads and the subsequent flips to Saudade, the charisma had a more-than-usual negative effect on me.
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Post Post #2764 (isolation #140) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:17 am

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In post 2762, Elsa Jay wrote:So I got replaced instead mainly because I was dead in one game and Saudade was scum here? Good to know.
In post 2719, Skygazer wrote:oh,, the lock and force replacement:

elsa and saudade referred to my other ongoing game which is now over (larger normal 220), they both got light bans for it, elsa was dead in 220 and knew that saudade had fakeclaimed mason over there so i was under the impression that he was alluding to that in one of his posts,,

i asked the listmods and they told me to force replace elsa!
And Saudade is confirmed in multiple ways to joke claim Mason and I called him out on it. The fact large 220 had something to conclude with masons was a coincidence.

The only thing I got out of it was Saudade also getting the 1 week ban after I corrected the list mod on the situation.

So for future reference: if Saudade ever claims Mason, even if true, please follow me and lynch him. Thanks friends. Wish i could've played here with all of you.
Sorry you didn't get to play the game. It didn't work out too well for town in the end anyway. :(

Sorry town!
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