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Post Post #571 (isolation #0) » Wed May 29, 2019 6:01 am

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Hi there,

I'm replacing Delta.

Can I get an executive summary of the Blake and Creature wagons?

23 pages is more than I expected for replacing someone who never picked up his PM, I will read as soon as possible.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #1) » Wed May 29, 2019 6:02 am

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In post 568, Creature wrote:
In post 536, Blake Belladonna wrote:It's just Creature and LUV though. They know they can't win without lynching me this game.
If I flip town do you promise to locktown Delta and LUV?
Why is my townness connected to yours?
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Post Post #578 (isolation #2) » Wed May 29, 2019 6:10 am

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In post 575, Creature wrote:
In post 574, TDC wrote:
In post 568, Creature wrote:
In post 536, Blake Belladonna wrote:It's just Creature and LUV though. They know they can't win without lynching me this game.
If I flip town do you promise to locktown Delta and LUV?
Why is my townness connected to yours?
Based on gamestate. Like, wouldn't be surprised if there contained no scum in it.
That is the same statement with different words.
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Post Post #609 (isolation #3) » Wed May 29, 2019 8:23 am

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Alright,

first off, reading this in one swoop is a pain

Saudade appears to be a level A shit poster, so I will need to rely on people who have played with him before to say whether this is more shitty than usual.

Buying MJL's claim.

nom probably town.

Not sure about Cheeky.

LUVs defence of MJL post-claim seemed a bit over the top, but nothing that really worries me.

Really don't like Blake
- the whole "I am so good in this, you don't want to lynch me or we are doooooomed" is super annoying. I'm not sure whether she is really that pretentious or if this is just a very poor appeal to emotion.
- the interaction with skitter is super weird, I can totally see where nom is coming from on this and thought the same thing while reading. Could easily be scum trying to distance, going a bit too far and panicking. The coordinated push for creature is pretty weak.
- why would you hope for me to be sane (which I interpret as a player who posts and plays in a coherent way), as per your "PoE" I am highly likely scum and you need to lynch me?

skitter: I need you to explain why a) Blake vs. LUV contains scum b) you are voting creature instead of one of them
- skitter looks bad due to the blake think (see above)
- I also didn't like how she went after nom in the beginning. Voted nom, strongly sided with MJL (maybe not quite as strongly as LUV), but the attack on nom seemed more like testing the waters than real to me. Other than saudade, nom seems to be someone who might be lynched quickly.

No clear opinion on creature from his posts, but the way his wagon is composed, I would think town for now.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #4) » Wed May 29, 2019 8:45 am

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In post 261, Blake Belladonna wrote:That's fine.

I really just need a reason to throw Saudade into the strong town pile (I think he's town atm but I'm not very confident in that) and/or 1-2 more slots outside of my current townpool for me to have the game mostly PoEd out, I think.

I will go into the Skitter/LUV dynamic and why I think that's never TvT if I have to, but I'd like to see what the slots in question think beforehand.
In post 484, Blake Belladonna wrote:
In post 470, CheekyTeeky wrote:Yeah Ank is weirding me out. She seems too aware of the gamestate/consensus reads and seems to be playing around them.
By the way, this is completely NAI for me, if not a slight town tell.
In post 485, Blake Belladonna wrote:As an addition to the above, I have to play this way regardless of alignment.

Town!me needs to play around the consensus because I believe there is scum within that consensus, and I don't have enough credibility to blitz through and remove LUV from it solo.
Scum!me needs to find a way to replace the consensus that exists with one that includes enough potential mislynches to have a shot at winning the game with. This is sketchy if for no other reason than who exactly am I scum with if I'm using this strategy?
In post 496, Blake Belladonna wrote:Wouldn't it just be easier to just play the town's paranoia instead of doing this song and dance around you specifically?

I have enough charisma to avoid the lynch for day one and you dying would not be weird at all for anybody to make, why play around you specifically and box myself into this in the process when I don't have to?
If you post something that starts with "I have enough charisma", there is no way to exaggerate.

Is this really the only thing you will respond to?
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Post Post #612 (isolation #5) » Wed May 29, 2019 9:11 am

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I mean my slot was in your 4 player scum short list, so it should be highly relevant for you to find out whether I'm scum (if I understand your skills correctly, this is the missing piece of puzzle to solve the game), so my first thoughts on the game should be highly interesting for you, but instead you just wonder about other people's perception of you.
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Post Post #613 (isolation #6) » Wed May 29, 2019 9:12 am

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Or was it just a three player list after you removed skitter?
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Post Post #618 (isolation #7) » Wed May 29, 2019 10:01 am

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In post 617, CheekyTeeky wrote:Guys saudade is scum can we please just lynch him please. I'm going to be mad if he endgames doing nothing because you all were too busy bickering amongst yourselves to notice he's openwolfing.
I would appreciate something more explicit. What part of his play crosses from shit to scum?
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Post Post #620 (isolation #8) » Wed May 29, 2019 10:10 am

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So you would expect him to be more useful if town?

Anyone else play with him before?
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Post Post #706 (isolation #9) » Wed May 29, 2019 4:57 pm

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In post 671, Blake Belladonna wrote:So uh.

I took a step back and rethought my reads out again and watched the last couple pages.

I'm still not entirely sure why the scumteam isn't just Creature + Lil Uzi Vert?
Why hop to Saudade then? And don't tell me anything about pressure.
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Post Post #707 (isolation #10) » Wed May 29, 2019 5:01 pm

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In post 664, skitter30 wrote:
a) i don't know how to answer besides saying that their interaction wrt me and blake's entrance and luv vote didn't feel tvt
Please be more specific. If LUV is town, why is Blake scum?
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Post Post #708 (isolation #11) » Wed May 29, 2019 5:36 pm

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In post 675, skitter30 wrote:
In post 644, Creature wrote:
In post 642, CheekyTeeky wrote:For now that's my sister in crime
Yep, I already had you and skitter as the scumteam.
oh no, you caught us! whatever shall we do!
I have tried to go through the Saudade isos, as painful as that is. Maybe he is a bit more committed to his reads as town, but I'm still not feeling anything for his play here one way or the other.
I can see cheeky tunelling on him like that, but would honestly suggest to just avoid games with him in the future..
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Post Post #709 (isolation #12) » Wed May 29, 2019 5:37 pm

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Sorry, text unrelated to quote. Q+ button very close to page buttons..
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Post Post #737 (isolation #13) » Thu May 30, 2019 12:12 am

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In post 734, nomnomnom wrote:
It doesn't make sense. This is scum reasoning. One of you is scum. And I'll find which one it is.
Why only one?
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Post Post #741 (isolation #14) » Thu May 30, 2019 12:20 am

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The way skitter's read of Blake flips back and forth just seems really weird to me, especially considering they seem to know each other so well.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #15) » Thu May 30, 2019 12:26 am

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Cheeky: why not?
Nom: I think skitter scum - Blake town doesn't work out, the Blake lynch would already have happened.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #16) » Thu May 30, 2019 12:29 am

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Blake wagon was L-1 without skitter, she was super on the fence going between Blake is scum and Blake is town. Why not fall on the scum side and end it, especially after I also expressed some support?
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Post Post #750 (isolation #17) » Thu May 30, 2019 12:30 am

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we were both expressing some connection between them, so Blake town flip would be good for her.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #18) » Thu May 30, 2019 12:35 am

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It doesn't. I'm saying skitter scum requires Blake scum.

Not sure what you mean with opportunity.
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Post Post #757 (isolation #19) » Thu May 30, 2019 12:37 am

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Nom: Hmm. Will think about that.
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Post Post #760 (isolation #20) » Thu May 30, 2019 12:40 am

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In post 755, CheekyTeeky wrote:So if one in skitter/blake are town, then both are town?
I'm not sure how I feel about skitter town Blake scum right now. The way Blake dropped her like a hot potato when she said he meta changed was strange to me.
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Post Post #782 (isolation #21) » Thu May 30, 2019 1:33 am

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Blake: you follow nom's reasoning on why skitter scum has dropped you?

Skitter: opinion on Cheeky, please.
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Post Post #814 (isolation #22) » Thu May 30, 2019 2:43 am

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In post 807, skitter30 wrote:
vla for a couple of days
Your read on Cheeky is kind of important. I will accept a one liner.
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Post Post #822 (isolation #23) » Thu May 30, 2019 3:00 am

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In post 818, skitter30 wrote:
In post 814, TDC wrote:
In post 807, skitter30 wrote:
vla for a couple of days
Your read on Cheeky is kind of important. I will accept a one liner.
Town based on tone + progression + how she's pushing her scumreads
Alright. Will need to reread the beginning.
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Post Post #840 (isolation #24) » Thu May 30, 2019 3:27 am

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Pretty sure skitter is a terrible lynch, or is nobody seeing what I'm seeing?
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Post Post #848 (isolation #25) » Thu May 30, 2019 3:33 am

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I would prefer to not spell it out, unless Cheeky is okay with it. (Which his post may imply, surprisingly).
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Post Post #849 (isolation #26) » Thu May 30, 2019 3:34 am

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Sorry, her.
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #27) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:41 am

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To be honest, the way Cheeky played it is probably far from optimal town play, but I don't see it as viable scum play though, because in a micro they would obv. go down in any mass cliam scenario that doesn't add up. Also I find it hard to believe skitter would try to coach her as she did in broad daylight (the it's not a town tel for me when cheaky initially justified her town read).

Balance wise I'm with Nom, I think we might be looking at three scum here, though not necessarily a group of three.
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #28) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:45 am

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I think a D1 Mason claim is not optimal play. There was no immediate need to do it, and I think it was too obvious if it was supposed to be breadcrumbs.
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #29) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:46 am

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Read skitters reaction to your initial town read of her. She's clearly saying that you are too confident.
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #30) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:50 am

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No need to get defensive, I already said I don't see the fake claim angle Nom is shooting for.

I was not aware you had daytallk, obviously.
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #31) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:52 am

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I don't see how day talk masons would be compatible with only two scum.

Back in my days Masons never had day talk.
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #32) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:59 am

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I am out of the loop here, is day talking masons not considered super powerful nowadays?
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Post Post #1109 (isolation #33) » Thu May 30, 2019 7:01 am

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In post 1103, Blake Belladonna wrote:Because scum have daytalk too, TDC. Town also probably has no real power other than the mason pair.
How do you know? We have a claimed Miller.
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Post Post #1114 (isolation #34) » Thu May 30, 2019 7:09 am

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In post 747, CheekyTeeky wrote:Because reasons. That's why.
Just to make sure we are all on the same page here. This is the post where Cheeky soft claimed Mason (not sure if intentionally)
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Post Post #1115 (isolation #35) » Thu May 30, 2019 7:11 am

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Why the rush Nom? Plenty of time and I think the more people form and voice opinions on the masons the better.
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #36) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:41 pm

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I have a message from skitter, although not sure what the point is, because Cheeky could have conveyed her opinion just as well.

She had a strong town read of mjl and me
Probably town nom
Unsure saudade and luv
Probably scum blake

She thought Blake was trying to pocket her and didn't like the hammer.
She was also still convinced Blake/LUV is not tvt.

There is also a comment about the setup, I will not go into atm.
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #37) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:50 pm

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I reread the phase before I replaced in with skitter town in mind and I still don't see anything wrt luv.

Still think Blake's behavior towards skitter doesn't add up, and who says sorry for dropping an early hammer?

VOTE: blake
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #38) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:51 pm

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In post 1337, MaryJoLisa wrote:Did Skitter tell you to tell me who to sheep?
No. But you know one slot who is conf town..
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Post Post #1342 (isolation #39) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:53 pm

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In post 1338, nomnomnom wrote:The only thing I'm trying to work out is who is Blake's partner if she is scum. And honestly my mind goes to TDC and MJL. The other possibility is that it's saudade and that she banks on town losing on F3.

So what I propose is that we lynch blake today. If she flips scum we need to lynch MJL because the miller claim is still fucking around with my mind. If she doesn't, Saudade must be scum in every scenario.
Maybe I'm missing something here. But why is it not blake and saudade?
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #40) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:00 pm

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Yeah, but you want to start with mjl.
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #41) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:14 pm

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Didn't you have a really strong town read on Blake yesterday, nom?
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #42) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:19 pm

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In post 1346, nomnomnom wrote:Plus now that we have confirmed masons the miller claim seems incredibly more dubious.
Please explain so someone who has essentially no idea about site meta can understand.
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Post Post #1354 (isolation #43) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:24 pm

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In post 1351, nomnomnom wrote: Mason and miller go together as well as apples and oranges. Why put a single miller in a game where there are high chances where masons are likely to be the only REAL power of town? Especially when one of the masons happens to be a mailman on top of that?
Why not?
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #44) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:26 pm

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Is there actually anyone who is town for you, besides Cheeky, nom?
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Post Post #1358 (isolation #45) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:27 pm

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In post 1355, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1354, TDC wrote:
In post 1351, nomnomnom wrote: Mason and miller go together as well as apples and oranges. Why put a single miller in a game where there are high chances where masons are likely to be the only REAL power of town? Especially when one of the masons happens to be a mailman on top of that?
Why not?
Because there is no inherent synergy between the roles? I know that nonsensical miller spots happen but like, it should be obvious as to why these roles don't go too well together in terms of theme
I think any role with synergies with the masons would be really overpowered, so I don't get the problem.
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Post Post #1385 (isolation #46) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:21 pm

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I don't think anyone besides nom wants MJL lynched.
I'm okay with LUV lynch if you were to flip town.
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Post Post #1386 (isolation #47) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:23 pm

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Interested in the Saudade town read, though.
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #48) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:38 pm

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If you were town, how do you expect anyone to follow your theory if you don't even bother to explain it?

You are either scum or not playing to win.
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Post Post #1390 (isolation #49) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:40 pm

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I'm thinking 75% scum 25% hissy fit.
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #50) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:51 pm

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I read your initial post as you may go into it later at an unspecified time. Not as you are doing it right now.
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #51) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:53 pm

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I can't really get over how you dropped skitter. Hammer was terrible. You are grasping now to make a case on me.
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Post Post #1397 (isolation #52) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:58 pm

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Your case is that my playstyle is somehow wrong or so. What's there to deny?
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Post Post #1400 (isolation #53) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:05 pm

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I don't even know what not sorting is supposed to mean. If you're scum we continue with saudade and if necessary LUV, if you're town we continue with LUV and saudade.

What is there to be sorted?
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Post Post #1402 (isolation #54) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:09 pm

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I buy MJLs claim and would be surprised if nom was town.

Starting with you because LUV and saudade have been meh to me all game.
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Post Post #1403 (isolation #55) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:09 pm

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wasn't town of course.
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #56) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:17 pm

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I don't really care if I'm passing your exam tbh.

If you happen to be town, try to look at it from my perspective, and tell me why lynching you is wrong.
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Post Post #1408 (isolation #57) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:28 pm

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I don't see it.

But even if you are right we win and saudade is his buddy.
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #58) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:30 pm

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I mean feel free to explain the LUV thing in more detail, but in the end the lynch order is not that relevant.
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #59) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:56 pm

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In post 1427, nomnomnom wrote:He's pushing a Blake/Me team... despite us being blatantly non-SvS....

Think god damn it think...
No I think you are town. There was a not missing in the post which I corrected in the next one.
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #60) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:00 am

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It is not setup info it is a thought she had about which claims might be expected, and what to think of them if they do.
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Post Post #1515 (isolation #61) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:10 am

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In post 1496, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1493, TDC wrote:
It is not setup info it is a thought she had about which claims might be expected, and what to think of them if they do.
Let's massclaim then?
I kind of think useful information beyond what we know would have surfaced already, so I'm indifferent on this one.
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Post Post #1522 (isolation #62) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:15 am

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If LUV flops scum and you get NKed I'm fine with me lynch followed by saudade lynch. Happy?
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Post Post #1524 (isolation #63) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:17 am

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Was addressing Blake there obv.
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #64) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:17 am

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I know, but Blake pretends to fear this scenario.
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #65) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:45 am

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If you are really confident with LUV town, go ahead.
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #66) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:49 am

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Pretty sure Blake was default lynch. She's not compromising herself, just trying to take some down with her.
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Post Post #1557 (isolation #67) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:59 am

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To be frank, I don't think MJL+saudade+LUV endgame is a good idea.
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #68) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:01 am

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blake saudade/luv
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Post Post #1564 (isolation #69) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:07 am

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In post 1561, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1557, TDC wrote:To be frank, I don't think MJL+saudade+LUV endgame is a good idea.
F5 gets to give some lead into F3.

It makes town work for their victory as well. I'd rather reach that F3 than a horrible F5 tomorrow.
How so? blake lynch is auto when I flip town.
So all there is is potentially nk choice..
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Post Post #1567 (isolation #70) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:09 am

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i'm not convinced you die first, and maybe the order is relevant? not sure.
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Post Post #1570 (isolation #71) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:11 am

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Also, not sure I feel much better with you instead of MJL. *shrug*
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Post Post #1574 (isolation #72) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:15 am

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nom: Just to make sure. Are you voting me because you think your survival for one more day (you seem convinced you don't endgame) is more important than making the better lynch here, or do you really think I have higher probability of flipping scum than blake?
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Post Post #1591 (isolation #73) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:31 am

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The game is solved from my pov, we can only lose if we mislynch me over Blake and even then it's 50/50.

There is literally nothing to hunt for me.
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Post Post #1620 (isolation #74) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:57 am

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Can we lynch Blake now? I'll take 10% of the blame if we end up both being town.
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Post Post #1624 (isolation #75) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:01 am

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I can live with LUV if LUV town means auto Blake lynch tomorrow.
For LUV scum I'm fine with me lynch and then Blake lynch.
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Post Post #1627 (isolation #76) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:04 am

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It's a 100% winning strategy.
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Post Post #1631 (isolation #77) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:13 am

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I'm town though.
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #78) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:25 am

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In post 1639, CheekyTeeky wrote:Did you explain how Blake and TDC are certainly SvT? I don't buy the confidence nor your progression onto TDC today which read completely opportunistic.
Fwiw, while I don't understand her strong desire for lynching me, I also don't see the motivation for scum-nom to do that. A bit of why-not-nk-wifom aside, what would stop her from lynching Blake-scum with us and just coasting through?
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Post Post #1681 (isolation #79) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:44 am

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saudade, where are you on the TDC-Blake continuum?
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Post Post #1688 (isolation #80) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:49 am

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In post 1685, Saudade wrote:
In post 1681, TDC wrote:saudade, where are you on the TDC-Blake continuum?
Nomnom was voting u n blake so that makes u both town
Why did I even bother.
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Post Post #1695 (isolation #81) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:51 am

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Pretty sure you are not stupid, just obnoxious.
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Post Post #1730 (isolation #82) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:20 am

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In post 1724, CheekyTeeky wrote:Omg fine. VOTE: TDC I'm fully over this game.
Good luck.
Why do you let yourself get bullied like this? Wtf.
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Post Post #1733 (isolation #83) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:21 am

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In post 1727, nomnomnom wrote:Remember: Lynch Blake if TDC flips town.
This.

And then saudade.
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Post Post #1735 (isolation #84) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:21 am

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saudade, I'm sure you will act responsibly.
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Post Post #1737 (isolation #85) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:22 am

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Also I liked the LUV catchup.
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Post Post #1740 (isolation #86) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:23 am

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And on the off chance that you are actually town, Blake, I will nominate you for mvp when scum have won.
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Post Post #1743 (isolation #87) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:24 am

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He is making a lot of sense. It's not really something impossible for scum to post, but kind of refreshing.
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Post Post #1747 (isolation #88) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:26 am

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No face palming was involved while I read his post. Compare with saudade, who is not so refreshing.
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Post Post #1761 (isolation #89) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:34 am

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lol
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #90) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:35 am

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Who is her buddy?
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Post Post #1767 (isolation #91) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:37 am

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It would make your case more convincing.
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Post Post #1782 (isolation #92) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:48 am

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Survivor?
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Post Post #1790 (isolation #93) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:53 am

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Saudade, pick a fucking side.
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Post Post #1924 (isolation #94) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:49 am

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In post 1882, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Fine but I’m still not happy.

VOTE: TDC
Really? Why bother reading me if in the end you're "fine" either way after reading me obv town?
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Post Post #1926 (isolation #95) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:03 am

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So you think blake-scum lynch will be followed of saudade lynch regardless of endgame composition?
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Post Post #1928 (isolation #96) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:26 am

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Anyone here who would spare saudade in any possible endgame they could feature in after the town-me scum-blake lynch series?
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Post Post #1929 (isolation #97) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:27 am

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I'm going to self hammer once everyone has confirmed this.
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Post Post #1932 (isolation #98) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:32 am

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imagine you are in endgame with saudade and luv or nom.
Dio you lynch saudade?
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Post Post #1933 (isolation #99) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:32 am

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In post 1931, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1928, TDC wrote:Anyone here who would spare saudade in any possible endgame they could feature in after the town-me scum-blake lynch series?
I'm not answering that.
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Post Post #1934 (isolation #100) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:32 am

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LUV: endgame with nom and saudade. What do you do.
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Post Post #1937 (isolation #101) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:35 am

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I wasn't asking you nom.

LUV: already two endgames without saudade lynch.
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Post Post #1939 (isolation #102) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:39 am

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if everyone agrees on lynching saudade after blake, there's nothing they can do about it.

how about you try being a team player, like you ask of others?
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Post Post #1940 (isolation #103) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:40 am

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+ if I understand you correctly, you don't think we'll flip that way anyway, and then it would be moot anyway.
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Post Post #1941 (isolation #104) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:41 am

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Really, the only reason to object here is if you think blake's partner would be luv or mjl.
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Post Post #1945 (isolation #105) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:46 am

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It has crossed my mind, but that would require outrageous amounts of her shoveling a hole for me for no good reason.
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Post Post #1946 (isolation #106) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:47 am

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Also, why are we still alive in that case? That just seems very unlikely to me.
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #107) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:54 am

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Yes.
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #108) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:55 am

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Unless you are willing to consider the saudade follow up lynch. I think MJL will fall in line if Cheeky agrees.
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #109) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:17 am

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In post 1960, Blake Belladonna wrote:The problem is that I'm not as convinced of TDC anymore, nom. I still find it more likely than not, but there are scenarios I can see where he is not.
And there the wiggling starts now that her buddy is being lined up.
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Post Post #1967 (isolation #110) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:19 am

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Just promise me you'll not let saudade get away, and I'll flip myself.
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #111) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:20 am

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Not really, no. Not sure about MJL either.
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Post Post #1974 (isolation #112) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:22 am

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I mean if you were good in solving, we wouldn't have this discussion about me having to self hammer so you accept reality.
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Post Post #1976 (isolation #113) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:22 am

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In post 1971, Blake Belladonna wrote:UNVOTE: TDC
Can't make this shit up.
Humor me, who are the scum and why did they not hammer us?
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Post Post #1979 (isolation #114) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:23 am

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I promise nom. Everyone agrees on saudade after Blake when I flip town and I'm gone.
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Post Post #2036 (isolation #115) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:48 am

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In post 2025, Saudade wrote:TDC is a shit peasant who doesnt listen to me because hes good at this game
I'm not listening to you because you are not even trying to convince me.

Really has nothing to do with good or bad.
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Post Post #2043 (isolation #116) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:50 am

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Muddying the waters so my town flip is not auto Blake lynch.
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Post Post #2047 (isolation #117) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:52 am

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In post 2041, Saudade wrote:
In post 2036, TDC wrote:
In post 2025, Saudade wrote:TDC is a shit peasant who doesnt listen to me because hes good at this game
I'm not listening to you because you are not even trying to convince me.

Really has nothing to do with good or bad.
so you just sit there playing a game of mafia waiting to be convinced?
It's not like yoi answer questions you get asked, so yeah. Not many options other than policy lynch or wait until everyone else is town.
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Post Post #2049 (isolation #118) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:52 am

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Thank you.
Saudade tomorrow.
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #119) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:14 am

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First of, sorry Blake that I was unable to reconsider you. I should have tried.
I will happily have saudade mock me for this if he is town.

Nom: Why am I suddenly conf town for you?
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Post Post #2088 (isolation #120) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:19 am

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Your "I'm skitter and Blake talking from the grave" routine is really rubbing me the wrong way. Also, you shouldn't maybe read how Blake thougt about you before the hammer.
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Post Post #2089 (isolation #121) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:20 am

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I'm not doubting LUV scum, he sugar coated me into commiting to the Blake lynch.
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #122) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:22 am

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I don't see why saudade should not vote for either of his solve.
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #123) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:23 am

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Hammering her just to find out whether you can trust her is ridiculous.
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #124) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:24 am

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Why did you push for me all day long iuf hammering Blake is all teheinfo you need?
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Post Post #2099 (isolation #125) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:26 am

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He has been voting you for quite a long time. From what I Sather that is as much pushing as he will ever do.
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Post Post #2104 (isolation #126) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:30 am

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Sucks not having day talk anymore?
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Post Post #2106 (isolation #127) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:32 am

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Why is saudade confirmed by scum for you, LUV?
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #128) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:33 am

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Auto correct is really killing me right
Now
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Post Post #2110 (isolation #129) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:36 am

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When did you read that?
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Post Post #2140 (isolation #130) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:21 am

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In post 1338, nomnomnom wrote:The only thing I'm trying to work out is who is Blake's partner if she is scum. And honestly my mind goes to TDC and MJL. The other possibility is that it's saudade and that she banks on town losing on F3.

So what I propose is that we lynch blake today. If she flips scum we need to lynch MJL because the miller claim is still fucking around with my mind. If she doesn't, Saudade must be scum in every scenario.
Feel free to reconcile this post with the town meddling stuff.
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Post Post #2146 (isolation #131) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:54 pm

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MJL: take as much time as you need.

I'm leaning saudade-town here.
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Post Post #2150 (isolation #132) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:13 pm

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In post 2148, nomnomnom wrote:And again, if you think there is 100% no way that Saudade and me is SvS, you should be voting LUV because it extends town to F3 and it shows that this was right all along and that Saud tried to end it today.
Surely you must realize that this is non-sensical.
The LUV flip produces exactly zero new information.
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Post Post #2154 (isolation #133) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:21 pm

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I doubt MJL would've gone for me-lynch, and even saudade probably not.

So how was it gonna happen?
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Post Post #2155 (isolation #134) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:23 pm

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Look, I'm not saying I would enjoy playing in a town full of saudades, but both your and LUV's isos contain mind-boggling stuff that I cannot map onto a thought process of a townie.

And this explicitly includes your opening posts today.
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Post Post #2157 (isolation #135) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:25 pm

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How and why would blake-town flip make you discount saudade-me pair you were pushing before?

How should I believe that you would not have lynched blake today had I been flipped?
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Post Post #2158 (isolation #136) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:26 pm

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There is just no way in hell that the kill would not have been the mason. If you would happen to be town you should work on being less self-centered, because reading for the thousandth time that the town will be screwed once you get nked was already annoying yesterday.
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Post Post #2161 (isolation #137) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:28 pm

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I'm not digging up the posts where you call, repeatedly, for her lynch if I flip town.
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Post Post #2165 (isolation #138) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:31 pm

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Cheeky would not have lynched me or MJL.
Any scum team would have needed to NK her.

This is super obvious.
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Post Post #2167 (isolation #139) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:32 pm

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In post 2164, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2161, TDC wrote:I'm not digging up the posts where you call, repeatedly, for her lynch if I flip town.
Literally the entire day I said that you were TvS and that one of you must be scum. That was my entire open reasoning. The truth is that I wanted to get to F5 with Blake today and that as long as we went forward with that plan there was no way she was scum in my mind.
1. You think blake-me is TvS
2. blake flips town
3. ???
4. You think I am town

I do not accept "They nked the mason instad of me" as 3.
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Post Post #2170 (isolation #140) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:34 pm

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In post 2166, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2165, TDC wrote:Cheeky would not have lynched me or MJL.
Any scum team would have needed to NK her.

This is super obvious.
I simply don't trust her. I don't care about your opinion about that. Put that aside and just reread this entire game. Do not make the stupid gamble move today, just vote LUV and go to F3. There is literally no way that Saudade and me is SvS and you know it.
I will decide with MJL which of you is town, and then we lynch the other two, simple as that. If we are wrong I really couldn't care less whether the mislynch is today or tomorrow. It makes zero difference.
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Post Post #2174 (isolation #141) » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:37 pm

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In post 2169, nomnomnom wrote:I would ragepost but I brought this on myself so you know. I'm just going to repeat this over and over again.

This is not about me. This is about Blake and Skitter's deduction on who is scum. If I was wrong I would have taken the loss and moved on. But this caused the scumteam to make a mistake.
Why should I sheep D1 blake, when D2 blake thought you were scum?
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Post Post #2195 (isolation #142) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:21 am

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He isn't.
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Post Post #2199 (isolation #143) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:02 am

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As an aside, I'm kind of paranoid about something, but the other people who could have the same thought seem to be blissfully unaware, which probably means I shouldn't worry about it.
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Post Post #2201 (isolation #144) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:09 am

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Of course, if you are town, LUV must be scum. No doubt about that.

That's not what the phrase "mechanically locked as scum" implies, though.
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Post Post #2204 (isolation #145) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:14 am

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In post 2202, nomnomnom wrote:Mechanically locked is when you confirm someone through a mechanical action. My early today vote caused us three to be in this situation, and Saudade's vote outed LUV as scum 100%. That's why I said "mechanically locked".
Not really, no.
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Post Post #2208 (isolation #146) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:17 am

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If you are scum, you don't lose when you get lynched today, though. You only need to get your partner through.
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Post Post #2209 (isolation #147) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:18 am

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Maybe you shouldn't have lynched her then.
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #148) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:25 am

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In post 2211, nomnomnom wrote:I'm telling you: The facts point at me being town, but you just wish really fucking hard I was scum because of how I acted this game. The thing is that you think you're going to punish me with a vote on me, but you're simply going to cost yourself the game doing this. Just take a step back. It's REALLY easy once you put your emotions aside for a second.
How about you put my "emotions" aside? It is really tedious. I honestly don't give a fuck whether you win or not.
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Post Post #2216 (isolation #149) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:28 am

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If I want to read some of your posts again, I can pull them up myself, thanks.
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Post Post #2224 (isolation #150) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:43 am

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I really don't know what you're trying to achieve here. Do you want to create some self-fulfilling prophecy where you annoy me so much going on about how I hate you that I finally do hate you and do it?
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Post Post #2271 (isolation #151) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:24 pm

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Saudade: You really fancy mjl-luv-you endgame right now?
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Post Post #2277 (isolation #152) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:50 pm

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Nom: how do you feel about endgaming with saudade and mjl?
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Post Post #2282 (isolation #153) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:56 pm

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LUV flip means nothing to me. I don't see how LUV could possibly town.

I have no idea what MJL is thinking though, so any possible end game seems like a coin toss for me.
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Post Post #2288 (isolation #154) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:02 pm

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The day start with a vote on you. This either means you have lost the game or the person who votes you is scum. Yet you are 100% sure on saudade based on a meta read and it takes ages for you to turn on nom.

When I first said you had to be scum based on nefarious D2 stuff, you didn't give a fuck. There is nothing in your posts today that portraits any will to live.
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Post Post #2289 (isolation #155) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:03 pm

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In post 2285, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2282, TDC wrote:I have no idea what MJL is thinking though, so any possible end game seems like a coin toss for me.
It's not a cointoss if you guys just discuss it through.
That is my plan, yes. Which is why I was asking saudade why he would want to skip this.
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Post Post #2294 (isolation #156) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:08 pm

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In post 2100, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 2089, TDC wrote:I'm not doubting LUV scum, he sugar coated me into commiting to the Blake lynch.
Sugar coat?
I clearly say I'm certain here, and this is literally your full reaction.
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Post Post #2303 (isolation #157) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:17 pm

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In post 2296, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 2294, TDC wrote:
In post 2100, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 2089, TDC wrote:I'm not doubting LUV scum, he sugar coated me into commiting to the Blake lynch.
Sugar coat?
I clearly say I'm certain here, and this is literally your full reaction.
It’s my reaction because I don’t and still don’t know what sugarcoat means there. I also don’t know why you think I’m scum for pushing Blake?
It referred to how you amplified my thoughts on the game by voicing exactly the same thoughts.
It doesn't really matter to me compared to your intermittent switch to my wagon despite having exactly the same outlook on the game, and your reaction to the nom vote.
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Post Post #2304 (isolation #158) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:17 pm

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In post 2300, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:How can you ignore my reaction and say I’m not potraying survivalibity?
How can you not follow up on it?
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Post Post #2321 (isolation #159) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:30 pm

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In post 2305, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I switched because I thought Blake was lockscum and was compromising. That’s overconfidence and in hindsight was stupidity.
What kind of compromise is wasting the final mislynch on someone who must be town if she is scum?
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Post Post #2341 (isolation #160) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:39 pm

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So how are you going to win this after the nom lynch, saud?
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Post Post #2344 (isolation #161) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:41 pm

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What tells you MJL will go for it
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Post Post #2349 (isolation #162) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:44 pm

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In post 2347, Saudade wrote:
In post 2344, TDC wrote:What tells you MJL will go for it
do you honestly think i lose to luv in a 1v1???
Why not? I think MJL is a player who appreciates long, logical posts laying out a case, etc.

Not really your thing, is it.
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Post Post #2367 (isolation #163) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:54 pm

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Sometimes I wish I was lynched yesterday.
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Post Post #2379 (isolation #164) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:12 pm

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In post 2370, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 2360, nomnomnom wrote:So what happened to the Saudade vote
What’s happening is that I don’t trust town to lynch you tomorrow.
I don't think MJL is going to quick hammer saudade if you vote there.
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Post Post #2458 (isolation #165) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:09 am

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In post 2402, MaryJoLisa wrote:@TDC, since Skitter entrusted her mail to you, I figure that means Skitter thinks you're town.

How do you feel about a @LUV vote?
In general, good. In practice we should talk about who his partner is, before we actually do it.
In post 2434, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In the event Saudade is lynched, it’s very possible. I’m difficult to lynch and I can see scum giving themselves by killing me. But you already knew this :roll:
Neither MJL nor me can possibly be scum with saudade, because we would have won already in that case. Hence your nk is literally impossible, because scum-nom would instantly lose. I refuse to believe that you don't understand this.

In post 2446, nomnomnom wrote: How come you still haven't considered a world where me and TDC are scum, or me and MJL are scum?
Yeah, I was waiting for LUV or saud to bring this up.
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Post Post #2460 (isolation #166) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:25 am

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I can't follow.
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Post Post #2463 (isolation #167) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:44 am

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Maybe it's the heat, by I still have no clue what you are trying to say.
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Post Post #2573 (isolation #168) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:29 pm

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I'm currently sick and can't concentrate on anything, sorry.

MJL: I cannot be scum anymore (they both explained you) , just like you. Don't waste your time thinking about me.

I'm still preferring nom lynch. The only thing giving me pause is LUV's reaction to her vote, which does not read as if he was prepared that it was going to happen.
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Post Post #2576 (isolation #169) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:41 pm

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In post 2574, MaryJoLisa wrote:What would the advantage be of not issuing the NK?
I don't know.
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Post Post #2633 (isolation #170) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:52 pm

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In post 2620, nomnomnom wrote:If you don't even want to bother discussing in the most important game phase and just hammering because you can't discuss with people then just go ahead and put me out of my misery, this will actually make me go insane.

All of this is why you are a hard slot to sort. All of this is your weakness as a player. All of this has subconsciously motivated me earlier in the game to doubt your slot on top of the sketchy miller claim. Your lack of interaction with players is going to be your absolute demise in every single game you play and I can guarantee you this before this game even ends, so we can avoid the post-game salt. I don't know what's up with that, if it's something you do on purpose or just how you are, but I am telling you right now that it's just making me, a kind of player that is used to read people on tone and entirely through interaction, completely go insane.

This entire game showcases your weaknesses as a town player. I'm offering you a chance to improve on this RIGHT NOW and not delegate this to the next town game you play, because I know for a fact you will feel extremely shitty about this flip. Listen to the voice of reason and give this a chance, yeah?
I'm done with this shit.

Do you read your own posts? Just pondering on the possibility that if you are town you would actually mean whta you write here gives me headaches.

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Post Post #2671 (isolation #171) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:39 am

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I'm not sure he actually played.
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Post Post #2672 (isolation #172) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:39 am

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(saudade that is)
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Post Post #2679 (isolation #173) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:41 am

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Also, no reason to be sorry for taking long MJL, there was enough time. I'm also a bit jealous of how you just ignored the onslaught from nom without it taking away from your dedication.
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Post Post #2686 (isolation #174) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:45 am

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Fwiw, the setup still seems kind of town-sided to me.
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Post Post #2730 (isolation #175) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:29 am

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Is he a ReaperCharile alt?
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