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Post Post #1229 (isolation #200) » Sat May 25, 2019 10:11 am

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You know what would be funny
If skitter/Clarity is the the team and Skitter was just trying to save the scum partner she thought she could go further with in Smile by bussing Clarity
That would be funny

Pedit: itt is “in the thread”
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Post Post #1238 (isolation #201) » Sat May 25, 2019 10:20 am

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I used to enjoy rolling scum the most
Then I worked on my town game a lot
Rolling scum has gotten less attractive lately

Can we get both skitter and Clarity to L-1?? Let’s find out!
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #202) » Sat May 25, 2019 10:49 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #203) » Sat May 25, 2019 10:52 am

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No claims aside from the one you quoted, fake claims from the dead, and Chara receiving fruit

I’m not very good at leaving the thread apparently
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #204) » Sat May 25, 2019 10:57 am

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No really important events aside from voting patterns which are mostly well-documented by votecounts
If you need specific reads on specific slots ask for em, otherwise I’ll assume you’re gonna gather that info by rereading

A summary of D1 would probably be: not much happened till Smile started playing scummy near deadline and I led a lynch on them. Their pushes in retrospect spewed me/persivul/insomnia/tris/fuscezu as probably town
Obviously there’s lots of little things to analyze but no big moments stand out in my memory
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Post Post #1281 (isolation #205) » Sat May 25, 2019 4:46 pm

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Tris is town more for tris’ ISO than Smile’s

I buy most of what skitter is selling tbh
I need more from CJ and Succinct before I want any flips
Clarity’s naked skitter vote reads to me like a scumclaim tho so probably we’re already past the point of antispew
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Post Post #1307 (isolation #206) » Sun May 26, 2019 2:15 am

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In post 1288, ClearlyClarity wrote:I'm jailkeeper and the other JK is town. Jailed irrelephant last night :D

Maybe try to let me claim first next time, ye?
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Post Post #1308 (isolation #207) » Sun May 26, 2019 2:20 am

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Nobody hammer I need to hear more! Lol
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #208) » Sun May 26, 2019 3:02 am

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Who u
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #209) » Sun May 26, 2019 11:49 am

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Hm
I lied about getting a night result
Just wanted to see reactions but I don’t necessarily want to start a massclaim train just to solve this puzzle
Ignoring the past couple pages I still want to lynch Clarity
But she did past my reaction test kinda

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Post Post #1359 (isolation #210) » Mon May 27, 2019 4:41 am

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In post 1355, Fuscezu wrote:is anyone SRing skitter?
Lol
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Post Post #1364 (isolation #211) » Mon May 27, 2019 8:56 am

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I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scum
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Post Post #1367 (isolation #212) » Mon May 27, 2019 9:04 am

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Faking guilties is too risky though and I don’t have practice making those kinds of risks work
I figured I could at least see what happened if the playerlist thought her claim was fake

Clarity’s reaction in retrospect is more indicative of a true claim than of town, necessarily...
I still think her vote on Smile, Smile’s treatment of Clarity, and Clarity’s naked skitter vote are all very scum indicative

Pedit: those are good points
I think I’m back to “Chara is town unless and until Clarity flips scum, in which case Chara is probably still town but less sure”
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Post Post #1376 (isolation #213) » Mon May 27, 2019 11:32 am

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In post 1375, ClearlyClarity wrote:
In post 1364, Irrelephant11 wrote:I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scum
This leaves a bad taste in my mouth beyond game-related reasons. Why would you even consider it?
I’ve seen town use fake guilties to great success before and am always interested in improving my play
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Post Post #1399 (isolation #214) » Mon May 27, 2019 1:14 pm

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In post 1377, ClearlyClarity wrote:
In post 1376, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 1375, ClearlyClarity wrote:
In post 1364, Irrelephant11 wrote:I considered faking a guilty on CC because I still feel extremely strongly that she’s scum
This leaves a bad taste in my mouth beyond game-related reasons. Why would you even consider it?
I’ve seen town use fake guilties to great success before and am always interested in improving my play
And if you're wrong about me, what happens to your fakeclaim?
This is why I did not do it
In post 1382, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1305, RCEnigma wrote:UNVOTE:

Who did you give your n0 fruit to Skitter?
irrel but it doesn't seem to have gotten there given that he hasn't claimed it
I did not get fruit night 0
In post 1384, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1313, Chara wrote:when Clearly supposedly thought she was hammered, but then started "spewing herself town", it didn't feel like something that town who just got hammered would say. she was here before when explaining why she didn't explain her skitter vote, but it's only after she was "hammered" that she began to call out scumreading her at all, like in .
a) i actually think the 'thinking i got hammered and claiming jk there' is kinda more likely to come from town than not
b) and yeah her trajectory on me .... does n't make much sense (although i'm going to point out that she called me a scumread on day1, although she couldn't articulate why when asked)
I’m starting to get the feeling skitter wants to tie herself to Clarity here
It *is* possible neither Clarity nor skitter is scum here, if the remaining team is maybe CJ/Succinct, but I really feel like it’s not the case they’re both town. And if skitter is scum I’m getting “lynch Clarity after me” vibes from her play. Just throwing this out there
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Post Post #1428 (isolation #215) » Mon May 27, 2019 1:45 pm

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Multiple people have suggested tris might be scum
I would like to hear people explore the tris + Smile ISO combo with thoughts
I would also like to hear from tris
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Post Post #1429 (isolation #216) » Mon May 27, 2019 1:45 pm

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I was fairly confident in town!tris
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Post Post #1446 (isolation #217) » Mon May 27, 2019 2:36 pm

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Clarity could be 3P
Skitter and fus please talk more about tris
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #218) » Mon May 27, 2019 2:37 pm

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In post 1446, Irrelephant11 wrote:Clarity could be 3P
Idk if I actually believe this but it would explain some things
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Post Post #1461 (isolation #219) » Mon May 27, 2019 2:55 pm

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Hm. I believe it.
Sorry for tunneling you!

If the other jk has a PM that doesn’t say Clarity is town then maybe claim
Otherwise yeah don’t
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #220) » Tue May 28, 2019 7:28 am

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Persivul, where you at?

Succinct/CJ might have a town in it and if so that player needs to step it uppppppp by a lot
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #221) » Tue May 28, 2019 7:37 am

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I don't totally understand what your claim info is so far
You targeted Succinct, and ended up at your own front door? What does that have to do with CC/skitter?
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #222) » Tue May 28, 2019 8:38 am

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In post 1483, RCEnigma wrote:I kinda don't have the best townread on you. But aside from that, town doesn't have much reason to roleblock n0 so....point to Skitter town I guess?
Why does this point to skitter being town?
Feels like we’ve caught skitter in a lie, no?
My vote is on skitter in spirit but I’d still like to be able to have anything sortable from CJ/Succinct before night phase
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #223) » Tue May 28, 2019 9:06 am

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RCE what results did you get on yourself? Motion, because of your own detection?
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Post Post #1509 (isolation #224) » Tue May 28, 2019 1:08 pm

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Skitter any comments or role claim changes before you get lynched btw
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Post Post #1510 (isolation #225) » Wed May 29, 2019 1:17 am

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I’m probably gonna hammer skitter today, or maybe tomorrow if anyone wants to get any more analyzing done before eod
Ellitell on skitter, you know
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Post Post #1512 (isolation #226) » Wed May 29, 2019 1:57 am

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Lol
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Post Post #1530 (isolation #227) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:14 am

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I’m on vacation but this one seems mechanically solves tbh so just let me know where to vote
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Post Post #1532 (isolation #228) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:32 am

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In post 1531, Persivul wrote:
In post 1530, Irrelephant11 wrote:I’m on vacation but this one seems mechanically solves tbh so just let me know where to vote
Can/will you explain why you gave me the D1 IC pass? Was there more to it than what you said? I read more into it, but now I'm having second thoughts.
I did that to start the game moving, to see how people would react, and because I did have a hard time sorting you. Your reaction showed me you believed I was sifting a mechanical clear, which scum would not ever believe, so then you became my strongest townread. I did not have a mechanical clear on you, though, no.
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Post Post #1535 (isolation #229) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:00 am

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In post 1533, Fuscezu wrote:
In post 1530, Irrelephant11 wrote:I’m on vacation but this one seems mechanically solves tbh so just let me know where to vote
How do you mean?
We stopped scum’s kill, I feel good about probably lynching scum today based on night actions, I’m not gonna try as hard today
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Post Post #1537 (isolation #230) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:05 am

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In post 131, Chara wrote:
In post 117, Irrelephant11 wrote:So sorry for the misgender tris!
Chara why do you townread me
you're a good player and i have some knowledge of your scumgame. innocent until proven guilty is good for me.
same sort of situation as skitter.
In post 132, Chara wrote:i could go into it further, but i don't see a reason to start talking about how i think you should be read as scum when i don't need to.
In post 151, Chara wrote:elephant after my own heart. except for Clearly.
In post 1203, Chara wrote:it's not "might", it's, "i think skitter is scum and you're asking me to vote someone who's never scum if she is."
why the hell would i, elephant?
In post 1361, Chara wrote:
In post 1332, Irrelephant11 wrote:Hm
I lied about getting a night result
Just wanted to see reactions but I don’t necessarily want to start a massclaim train just to solve this puzzle
Ignoring the past couple pages I still want to lynch Clarity
But she did past my reaction test kinda

Clarity why did you vote Smile last gameday?
i was so excited about your night result. i thought you had a Clarity guilty and that's why you were annoyed with me earlier.

i didn't like her whole claim thing and thinking she was hammered, but now i'm not sure how to proceed.
I’m thinking one of me/Clarity was Chara’s N0 inno
Skitter seems to be the N1 guilty
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Post Post #1538 (isolation #231) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:05 am

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In post 1536, Blake Belladonna wrote:Why are you assuming that when we have two jailkeepers in the setup?
Because my PoE was already strong enough to win the game
Stop asking me questions I’m on vacation
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Post Post #1546 (isolation #232) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:26 am

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Persivul is town
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #233) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:33 am

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Well now you have to explain??
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Post Post #1550 (isolation #234) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:34 am

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In post 1547, Blake Belladonna wrote:Persivul isn't town.
In what world does scum believe I have a N0 inno on them? It’s not like I could get a N0 inno as a tracker or watcher, since there wasn’t a kill. Why did he obviously believe I had a cop inno on him, if he knew that wasn’t machenically possible?
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #235) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:49 am

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In post 11, Irrelephant11 wrote:Ye
Gonna lovktown you for now because I really do struggle to read you and randomness is on my side
Nobody touch Persivul he’s our D1 IC
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #236) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:50 am

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In post 983, Persivul wrote:
In post 980, Smile wrote:Persi what is your read of relly rn?
RTFT. I very recently said that he's my strongest town read (my only real town read actually).
In post 990, Persivul wrote:
In post 989, Smile wrote:Ok what metrics do you use to read him? What are those insights?
That can come out later, but for now it's private. If you want votes on irrel, look elsewhere.
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Post Post #1557 (isolation #237) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:58 am

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And I took that ^ to be a reference to how in our S/S game “read between the lines” (regarding power roles) was a common thread of the game

Pedit: also considering I’m the most likely N0 inno from Chara it’s not super worth discussing me being scum pocketing Persivul
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #238) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:01 am

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I don’t see the MKM/Succinct townread
I think CJ is probably scum here too (he probably thought he was quickhammering town)
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #239) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:02 am

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In post 1539, Blake Belladonna wrote:And what is your PoE?
Me/Persivul/Clarity/Fuscezu/Insomnia and probably but not necessarily your slot are town
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Post Post #1564 (isolation #240) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:08 am

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In post 1563, ClearlyClarity wrote:Jailed, not nailed. Though mayhaps we should nail him today.
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Oh, Mirror
I could see that being a scum role tho
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Especially in a game with a cop, two jailkeepers, and a poisoner
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #243) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:10 am

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Scum needs some power and voyeur isn’t it
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #244) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:15 am

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Persivul still town though
CJ is powerful lonescum at this point or his partner is one of Blake/Succinct/RCE
I don’t see a reason not to massclaim today but stop me if you do
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Post Post #1581 (isolation #245) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:43 am

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In post 1577, Blake Belladonna wrote:Irrelephant is looking like the second scum.
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Post Post #1582 (isolation #246) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:44 am

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VOTE: Blake
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Post Post #1590 (isolation #247) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:30 am

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I am the N0 inno
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Post Post #1596 (isolation #248) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:01 am

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Blake is scum
There’s a 0% chance I’m anything but town here for a lot of reasons. “Needs to be flipped before lylo” is how scum talks about someone they’re trying to lightly shade, not how town talks about the towniest slot in the game
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Post Post #1598 (isolation #249) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:03 am

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Actually, now’s as good a time as any

D3 has arrived, so I can finally
dayvig: Blake
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Post Post #1628 (isolation #250) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:01 pm

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Stop entertaining the idea I should ever be lynched
I’m Irrel Eph’ing conftown

CJ does your role include information on the alignment of the other jailkeeper?
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Post Post #1644 (isolation #251) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:17 pm

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So the only way CJ or CC is scum is if both jailkeepers are mafia together, which is a nonzero chance but pretty unlikely
Blake’s reaction to being “dayvigged” is pretty good so I’ll town BB slot again
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Post Post #1648 (isolation #252) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:23 pm

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In post 1647, Blake Belladonna wrote:My only worry with the setup of this game was a Town Jailkeeper + Scum Jailkeeper, but that worry is completely gone with the assurance from both jailkeepers that they both are town.
I mean 100% certain they’re the same alignment
Tiny chance they’re both scum given they’re both pretty scummy outside their claims
But like, a tiny tiny chance since the mod softconfirmed the jailkeepers as town
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Post Post #1649 (isolation #253) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:24 pm

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so Fus should probably say who was protected last night IF the jailkeepers canceled each other out
Because that slot is then conftown
Scum should probably concede tbh
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Post Post #1657 (isolation #254) » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:58 pm

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In post 1655, ClearlyClarity wrote:There’s no point in even speculating about me and CJ being scum JKs

I would have no reason to put that both JKs were town in my claim unless
that info was given right in my PM.

Scum already know that they’re in a team.
I mean if you’re BOTH scum
It’s just,
A lie....

But yeah prolly not
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Post Post #1688 (isolation #255) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:13 am

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Iirc Persivul has asked us to lynch him today for role reasons
Doesn’t seem survivalistic to me

I’m trying to imagine the world where fuscezu is scum here
Smile’s vote on Fus was survivalistic and that’s part of how we caught them. But maybe it was meant to be a soft bus that they would later retract? As soon as Smile was actually going down they moved their vote to me...
Just thinking, because Fus/RCE/Blake have the least-confirmed role claims so far I think (besides Persivul and I who have not claimed) and scum needs some power in a game with a cop and 2 jailkeepers.
I still think Mafia Mirror makes sense in this setup if all the other claims are accurate
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What does gf mean here?
I’m also bad at setup spec I just think Succinct shouldn’t be clear by claim and definitely isn’t clear by dayplay
I kinda scumread Blake still even though I townread tris and the visitor claim doesn’t help much
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Post Post #1695 (isolation #257) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:37 am

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RCE what was your result last night?
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Post Post #1705 (isolation #258) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:15 am

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I can’t decide
Scumteam is either {2 of Blake/Succinct/RCE/Persivul} or {Clarity/CJ}
I still think Persivul is town, and I doubt the scumteam is the jailkeepers
I guess VOTE: Succinct?
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Oh Fus is still a possibility?
Yeah idk man
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I felt confident coming into this game day that the scumteam was CJ and one of Succinct/RCE
Not sure how to put together a team if CJ is town
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Post Post #1709 (isolation #261) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:23 am

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Lol I forgot Insomnia was a player
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Post Post #1717 (isolation #262) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:34 am

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In post 1713, insomnia wrote:
In post 1558, Blake Belladonna wrote:Insomnia is town.
Miss Kobayashi Maru (Succinct slot) is probably town too
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I guess it can just be Succinct/Blake
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Post Post #1735 (isolation #264) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:57 am

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In post 1712, insomnia wrote:
In post 1550, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 1547, Blake Belladonna wrote:Persivul isn't town.
In what world does scum believe I have a N0 inno on them? It’s not like I could get a N0 inno as a tracker or watcher, since there wasn’t a kill. Why did he obviously believe I had a cop inno on him, if he knew that wasn’t machenically possible?
Echoing my thoughts here
This question was for you, BB
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Post Post #1757 (isolation #265) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:36 am

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Persivul will you be claiming
We’re 80% of the way to massclaim I figure we might as well
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But also stop me if we shouldn’t obviously I wouldn’t know if there’s a good reason to not
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Nice
I’m the vt
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Post Post #1762 (isolation #268) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:28 am

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I mean I guess that’s fair? But I did crumb it
In post 1081, Irrelephant11 wrote:My rolecard suggests that nobody else has my role
If I flip I’m not sure that part will flip so I’m posting it
My role PM (paraphrased) says “you’re unlucky. You’re the one vt”
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I agree it’s too quick to flip Succinct
It would be nice to see them post a couple times this gameday
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Idk what it means to be a malakittens, we’ve never played together before
This is less a case of “Irrelephant is the most certaintest certain ever on Persivul’s alignment and more a case of “scum won’t win with two living jailkeepers anyway so I’m gonna follow my instincts”

I think Persivul’s handling of my fake soft inno was towny. I think the way Smile reached out to Persivul in an effort to get another vote on me and his response then we’re both town indicative for Pers. I think his tone is unreadable.

OTOH, I have 0 reasons to townread Succinct. I’d rather lynch Succinct.
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In post 1775, Blake Belladonna wrote:If it helps, I've glanced at a few of Persivul's past games to double check this. It's been directly indicative every single time.

He is scum.
FWIW if you detail what you’re talking about here I’ll reconsider
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In post 1810, Fuscosco wrote:i honestly havent read that. I was out for like, 25 pages or something.
Lol blake is scum for saying “fuscezu is the voice of clarity” or whatever
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BB you sure do like to make vague references to meta without clueing anyone else into what specifically you’re referring to huh
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In 24 hours I will take the no-posting as a scumclaim, if hammer hasn’t happened yet
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UNVOTE:
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How does governor work? Persivul activates it whenever? Or it only works after lynching him?
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Post Post #1885 (isolation #277) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:08 pm

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In post 1877, Blake Belladonna wrote:
In post 1808, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 1775, Blake Belladonna wrote:If it helps, I've glanced at a few of Persivul's past games to double check this. It's been directly indicative every single time.

He is scum.
FWIW if you detail what you’re talking about here I’ll reconsider
One thing that I've noticed throughout a lot of Persivul's entrances is this.

As town, he's actively making an attempt to sort people and get information that he needs to get reads.
As scum, he forces content when he feels like he has to and ends up with weird justifications for his pushes.

This is a fairly common thing for players that are around average to above average. A lot of people don't seem to look for this kind of thing, but the difference is very obvious when you know to look for it. The way he's been posting this game early on is a tonal roller coaster. The way he posts and pushes his reads have no actual bite behind them, he just throws them out there and retracts them when they get a response. My impression of his gameplay has been trying to find the perfect spot to coast on while prodding to see what he can get away with. When he actually does make some kind of effort in the game, it's very reactive and is tailored specifically to the situation at hand rather than an internal thought process.

Early in the game? He pokes at people's posting, and backs off when he gets pushback on it or it has a logically consistent answer.

His vote on Smile is directly after you push for him to join the wagon. Note that he doesn't have any particular scumread on that slot, nor is initially willing to lynch the slot despite the wagon on them already existing. He looks entirely like he's compromising on the slot when he joins the wagon.

Later on, he vanishes for most of day two.

Day three? He's approaching me with discredits and arguments for why he is town, but he is not looking to solve the game or work with the solve that everybody else has. He doesn't act like he's been scumreading my slot the entire time, despite the fact that he apparently has been. The way he responded to my initial case was to strawman and discredit it, not actually use it to sort me or convince people that the push itself is scum indicative. When he starts getting more pressure later on, he starts pushing against every point against him by pushing me as the scum instead of him. He argues that his claim, despite being unproven, is town indicative. He uses the lynch on the third party as an excuse for him being town.

His entire mindset this game isn't town. He's been operating under a scum mindset this entire time.
If I’m really honest this reads like a narration of Persivul’s ISO but just with “which is scummy” thrown in sometimes.

Can you give any examples of how his entrance here is different from a specific towngame of his? I’ll reread his ISO soon to see if I agree with “backing off when he gets pushback”
Why is it scummy that he is defending against your push? Why is it scummy that he argues his claim (which while unproven, is also easily disproven) is town-indicative? Isn’t it?
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #278) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:20 am

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I think it would make more sense for CJ to be on Blake? CJ you decide
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #279) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:26 pm

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VOTE: Blake
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Post Post #1953 (isolation #280) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:53 pm

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In post 1951, Blake Belladonna wrote:
I don't think town wins this game.
Why not? Didn’t you think there was only one scum left?
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Post Post #1961 (isolation #281) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:27 pm

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Persivul could be scum here
I’m voting Persivul as readily as Succinct here

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Post Post #2025 (isolation #282) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:38 am

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Oh good a 1v1
I probably wasn't lynching within these two without it, so that's helpful
I'll come back and analyze later
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Post Post #2029 (isolation #283) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:08 am

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D2 me is shouting that Insomnia is definitely town and RCE must therefore be scum
But D4 me likes RCE's claim for town much more than Insomnia's claim

So uhhhhhhh
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #284) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:13 am

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You should do that whether or not it will help me make the decision probably
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Post Post #2032 (isolation #285) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:21 am

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I mean I don't really see RCE scum unless it's with Succinct?
Has anyone else bounced off Succinct's mirror?
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Post Post #2036 (isolation #286) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:31 am

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In post 2033, insomnia wrote:So the first move was made because you guys kind of talked with each other and I figured "If one's scum then they'll probably target the other" so it was more of a protection swap I guess you can call it? (Irrel - Percy)
Which posts made you feel this way?
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Post Post #2038 (isolation #287) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:39 am

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VOTE: insomnia
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Post Post #2039 (isolation #288) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:42 am

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weird I wasn't expecting scum!insomnia here, I need to learn to get less jumpy with strong townreads
it would be nice if this won the game
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Post Post #2042 (isolation #289) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:53 am

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In post 2021, Persivul wrote:Just moving this up to the same page
In post 1973, insomnia wrote:For me night one is the first night, language barrier.

But yeah, night one for me = night 0

N0 - Percy with Irrelephant
N1 - Percy with RCEnigma
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N3 - Ceejay with Blake failed
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Post Post #2046 (isolation #290) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:01 am

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I'm pretty proud of it
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Post Post #2051 (isolation #291) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:34 am

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probably persivul is the last scum if the game doesn't end here
the fake claim seems generated to save persivul
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Post Post #2067 (isolation #292) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:10 am

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nothing, still vt
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Post Post #2087 (isolation #293) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:59 pm

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I don’t see why Insomnia makes that fake claim unless Persivul is the partner
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Post Post #2101 (isolation #294) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:16 am

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lol I did think at one point "My townread on Persivul makes sense - but he would act the same if he were a godfather..."
It was like I really did get a mechanical inno on you but it wasn't trustworthy :P

skitter's role I think was supposed to mess with town's strength - and sort of it did, by killing Chara, I guess. It would have been much harder for town to win if skitter had lived another day or two
But after her lynch I think this might have been a town win regardless of the Insomnia claim, Persivul might have gone down next, then succinct/blake, then succinct/blake - but only if insomnia dodged the remaining jk, and an inno or two would have been generated along the way. Regardless, I'm very proud of my play this game. I feel I played a major part in every scum lynch :]
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Post Post #2109 (isolation #295) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:41 am

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In post 2104, Persivul wrote:
In post 2101, Irrelephant11 wrote:but only if insomnia dodged the remaining jk, and an inno or two would have been generated along the way
Insomnia presumably kills the remaining JK. There's nothing to stop it.
If we lynch you instead of insomnia,

me/insomnia/cj/succinct/fuscezu/rce/blake
cj announces his target (maybe blake?) and then dies in the night

blake and I are conftown, and insomnia has to get two mislynches in on fuscezu/rce/succinct
Maybe he does it, maybe he doesn't, but I don't think it's obvious and my townread of tris from early game was already waning. I'm grateful for the fake claim, though, of course :wink:


pedit: why the kill on flavor leaf?
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Post Post #2124 (isolation #296) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:43 am

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was your night action compulsive? I probably would have pretended to be a gated role, and come out swinging lategame on whichever team was winning
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