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Thoughts on the first page.
There are three people that have given me decent reads and I want to thank skygazer for it.
There are three interpretations you can get from it. He's either joking or its scum trying to waste such a powerful mechanic(although that's a stretch) or its a reaction test and skygazers next few posts show that he knows what the best move for town is and he was looking for people not calling him out for the first post. But I'm not going to give him a town read for this. This could be a scum gambit. Skygazer is null slightly leaning town and his read will change based on how he scumhunts in the future. He's already given me info on his play so if he starts fluffing and failing at scumhunting then my read will change.
In post 20, Schiavetto wrote:People all around, you gotta (Come geddit) ♪ ♫
From the left to the right, make noise ♪ ♫
Anyway, TRT, I'm actually gonna disagree with you there - 410's entrance felt more like good-natured joking from town than anything else. What makes it scummy is the way he doubled back and called attention to it in 14.
I have a slight town read on schiavatto for this. This post is risky for scum to do cause it can backfire. Although I don't fully agree with his sentiments, that could be a way a townie would perceive Skygazer.
I have a slight town read on kirari for this. Although I am guilty for the same reason, Scum would try to infiltrate by trying to act in the best interests for town. But I don't think that applies to skygazer. he's either scum pulling a cheeky gambit or townie who wants to lead people to lynch scum.In post 22, Kirari Momobami wrote:Skygazer seems to want attention. Talking about mech over reads early is scummy, and saying I'm scummy for not calling her scummy is scummy, but moving from not wanting to talk about mech to immediately talking about mech is. . . maybe townie?
Every choice we make is a gamble. But even so, we still gamble. For we enjoy the risk.
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And speaking of using talking about mechanic to appear town. Uncle bob is the one in my gut who I feel is scum trying to act townie.- RedPanda
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strong town read on renais for this.In post 35, The Renais Twins wrote:what are the odds that PP/Mary interaction was SvS
WHATTTT? Although I still think adding strong town reads is better because most townies are bad being townies. I think we should only add 3 of our strongest town reads into the party. I'm not good at figuring out the optimal number so I'm going to defer to someone else but the logic is to lynch from the bigger pool unless there is a kill in the smaller pool.In post 53, schadd_ wrote:you can only add people and they never get removed
Completely agree with this.In post 64, Skygazer wrote:
Why??? Not liking this post at all, feels like you're writing a paper and trying to get your word count upIn post 55, Yumeko Jabami wrote:The way I see it, we should manage the party and the lynch using separate rules - we lynch people who are likely to be mafia, but we don't necessarily send people who are likely to be town to the party. Mmm, I think any plan that involves trying to send townie people in is flawed.
VOTE: yumeko
I have a slight gut town read on michael scott for post58.
I don't agree with this at all. We either lose one of our strong townies and can narrow the mafia down or we keep our strong townies safe. The other way is just asking to lose one of our strong townies.In post 69, Mary Saotome wrote:What about putting no one into the party for day 1 and we try to play day 1 normally and go about it after we get a flip? That way we have much more information to work with- RedPanda
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nice bob!
I don't agree at at all. Skygazer is hunting for scum(I still have the same read though cause I don't want to make a decision on a strong player.) Yumeko is not.In post 87, Schiavetto wrote:@Mr. Mifflin - Yes, that's who I was referring to. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds issue with that aspect of it - jokes are jokes, and the fact that people chose to treat the comment as a joke rather than a scumtell doesn't warrant as much suspicion as Sky seems to have invested in it.
This is a weird response given posts 60-64 from you.In post 64, Skygazer wrote:
Why??? Not liking this post at all, feels like you're writing a paper and trying to get your word count upIn post 55, Yumeko Jabami wrote:The way I see it, we should manage the party and the lynch using separate rules - we lynch people who are likely to be mafia, but we don't necessarily send people who are likely to be town to the party. Mmm, I think any plan that involves trying to send townie people in is flawed.
I work at a school and this week's been weird in terms of coverage/workload so I hope you'll forgive me for being scarce. Will follow up in-depth tonight.
I'll explain it to you. The party mechanic can be used two ways. either like a mass doctor to protect town reads from scum even if a scum manages to sneak into the group or narrows down the scum. Adding too many members to the party is not in the best interests for town. And scum would want to ruin the mechanic by adding more members which would make the intel we get confusing. I'm not liking your posts at all even more now.In post 90, Yumeko Jabami wrote:
ok.... go on? Because otherwise this seems pretty opportunistic coming from youIn post 89, The Renais Twins wrote:her entrance is essentially exactly the same as her entrance in a past game where she was scum and I have other spicy reasons to think that she's scum
HEAL: Mary Saotome, Yumeko Jabami, Kirari Momobami, PenguinPower, SkyGazerIn post 86, Kirari Momobami wrote:HEAL: Mary Saotome, Yumeko Jabami, Kirari Momobami, PenguinPower, SkyGazer
VOTE: Hellknight
VOTE: Hellknight
Skygazer and Hellknight are switchable for me
Don't like Uncle Bob in post 80... why does my plan being unhelpful even mean I get voted? I don't like the reasoning, or lack of connections between voting for scum and voting because you disagree (it seems scummy)
If we know 5 town right now, we don't need the party mechanic to win anyway - that's a flawed argument. We don't need to win twice as hard, we need to not lose momentum twice as hard by both being wrong on the lynch and thereby being wrong on who is town in the party
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This guy is town.In post 222, The Renais Twins wrote:if you all think that mary is scum then fine, let's treat this like the 'dog house' strategy and put the three of us in the dog house and then just lynch one of the lurkers
this is the opposite of a setup where deepwolf hunting is a priority, just kill an unreadable slot and go on from there.- RedPanda
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I agree with Mary. lynching lurkers on the first day is a bad idea. It just helps mafia.
Also someone please tell me who RC is.
I have a slight town read on duppin for post 249
I'm just gonna skim through the next few pages.
I'm gonna once again echo not sending anyone to party is a terrible strategy and sending too many is also a terrible strategy. If you are town get your head out of your ass and start thinking. Stupid isn't a defense. All you're doing is clouding reads.- RedPanda
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Ok caught up.
To start up I'm gonna tell you a little about myself.
I HATE META ARGUMENTS. STOP USING IT TO CONVINCE ME OF ANYTHING.
Also Playstyle is not equal to alignment.
Now that we got that out of the way.
Vote:Yumeko
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I'm also open to skygazer inbredlannisters and edgar allan foe.
My preference of inbredlannisters over edgar is just because I feel inbredlannister is a stronger player.
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Who am I? I'm like playing after 4 years and this is my original id.In post 409, Titus wrote:
RC is a TRT head.In post 407, RedPanda wrote:I agree with Mary. lynching lurkers on the first day is a bad idea. It just helps mafia.
Also someone please tell me who RC is.
I have a slight town read on duppin for post 249
I'm just gonna skim through the next few pages.
I'm gonna once again echo not sending anyone to party is a terrible strategy and sending too many is also a terrible strategy. If you are town get your head out of your ass and start thinking. Stupid isn't a defense. All you're doing is clouding reads.
Also, I have a strong beat on who you are already. I'll keep it to myself bro as that's what you'd want.
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beacause imo people who are susceptible to meta are weak players whose alignment can be found out with strong mafia play. People who are strong players will abuse meta.In post 412, PenguinPower wrote:oh wow...another "meta is trash" person.- RedPanda
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I'm sorry I'm playing mafia here not some random shit.In post 445, Titus wrote:
7-7 random is the only way to eliminate scum influence in pool selection. It creates two unavoidable pools. We can lynch those who argue change. Pretty motherfucking braindead. I get I lost but damn. Insistence on town knowing better than random is why we lose so much. Data is always best. Charisma ok when there's no data.In post 443, RedPanda wrote:Noone's doing it at random though
Hell I play mafia to get better at charisma and reading illogical people.
The thing that loses town the most games is that mafia will kill off the strongest players early and this mechanic helps us avoid that. I'm not even asking for us isolate strong town reads. I'm asking us to isolate our strongest players.- RedPanda
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In post 459, Titus wrote:
In te short term yes but long term every motherfucking kill is infoIn post 457, Mary Saotome wrote:Random party kinda throws the whole idea out the window and ruins the chance to see who wanted who in the party because we all did 'random' It's kinda the same thing with doing 'no one' but worse.
Listen I'm not denying this. I think your strategy is good but only if all the players in the game are really good. But that like never happens. Mafia mostly win because they kill off all the strong town players early. With your strat there will most probably be a 2 1 split and mafia will mostly kill in the group that only has one of them so we need to shoot in 1/6 with 2 scum who will be working on leading us away from their partner until the numbers in the 1/6 group are safe enough for them. Here later the game goes the easier it is for scum to win and then there is the scenario where mafia actually kills in the 2/6 group to throw us off.- RedPanda
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I feel you're town; but I'm not able to understand this part. Can you elaborate on why Sky's town? I don't feel she's done much towny stuff.In post 462, Inbred Lannisters wrote:In post 410, RedPanda wrote:Skygazer is a must in the party I feel.
Also talk to me about Yumeko: I admit I was actually excited to play with them (I followed one of their previous games and loved the posting style) but they seem... lackluster this game. I don't know if that's a reason to scumread them though - can you tell me why they're your strongest scumread?
I have a null leaning town read on him. I just think he is a strong player with a play style that causes people to not be able to accurately judge alignment. So isolating him in a 3 man group with 2 obv and strong townies will help our town in the future when he is forced to reveal himself if he's scum.
As for Yumeko, Well in my games I always town hunt because I believe even though most townies also try to be careful about what they post sometimes they post something genuine and my gut is what decides that. And I count the number of genuine posts they make in the off chance that a scum manages to get one that pings me. None of Yumekos posts have given me a genuine vibe. And she's a vote over others because I feel her strategy to send 5 of the strongest town reads is like the worst of them all and she even acknowledges the same in that post that it's easier said than done.- RedPanda
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How are you people happy with Hell Knight's posts? This is abadpost reflective of zero thought towards what's going on in the game. I'll go so far as to say that scum realizes that having multiple votes for a heal makes it much likelier to get picked (squared probabilities); healing "nobody" when almost all the players agree it's a crap strategy without any elaboration at all isveryscummy. Also add the lack of engagement (hasn't responded to my questions), lack of detailing reads, the inconsistency wrt the read on my slot ("scumlean for early shitposts, you've been much townier since then, but still scumlean"), and (idk for angleshooty-ness) activity elsewhere.
VOTE: Hell Knight
I'm not at all but hellknight wagon is easy and he will def be lynched in the future. My vote will move to hellknight only if yumeko posts something to change my mind or this wagon goes nowhere.- RedPanda
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I mean it doesn't sound right but its definitely true.
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I support it.In post 539, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
Would you support healing {us, Duppin}?In post 538, Kirari Momobami wrote:You're not going to get 6 people to coalition you and dup in the next 20 hours and continuing to try to send townreads into the house party is playing against wincon because it's really looking like we won't get a consensus at all. If the send is randomized it should be exclusively composed of scumreads or lynchbait poes.
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In post 560, Kirari Momobami wrote:I'm assuming you're going to say you're paranoid about me because Auro just said he's paranoid about me and right now you're parroting things Auro has said. Since I already know what you're going to say there's no need to ask you about it.
nope. its a different thing sort of similar to skygazer. protown actions which gives me paranoia.- RedPanda
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that if you are lynching scum accurately my read gets better and if you aren't it gets worse. That's how I deal with play styles like that.In post 563, Kirari Momobami wrote:I'm willing to accept you're just going with the flow right now but I'd still like to hear how your read on Sky has changed or hasn't changed since that is probably the most interesting thing about your positions so far. You were insisting she had to be in the send earlier but now you're saying her "protown actions" give you paranoia. What does that actually mean for your read of Skygazer?- RedPanda
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I promise to answer both questions.In post 807, Kirari Momobami wrote:You still kinda didn't answer my question. Are you concerned about IBL? What did you think of Tyrion's reaction to my push?- RedPanda
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No. Can you just read exactly what I'm typing.In post 832, Yumeko Jabami wrote:So we went from "I'm not an idiot, of course I knew it wasn't a hammer" and the reason is because, after it looked like there were 8 votes on me, you went back and looked over the lynch mechanics again, for seemingly no reason, and I was supposed to intuit this somehow. And/or you counted votes (from what point? The start of the game? The last votecount?) and the fake hammers somehow confused you
The fake hammers were before u were at 8. And That was when I counted the votes and then IBL overreacted and that was when i learned abt the mechanic.
and Also your entire premise that I was trying to justify my vote on you after is shot already.Why did you ignore that?- RedPanda
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it was after this.
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And you are ignoring it.In post 836, Yumeko Jabami wrote:I'm not ignoring anything, we're discussing it right now, no? So the reason you thought I wasn't hammered is because you counted the votes after the votecount in post 450?- RedPanda
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It doesn't change my answers. I'm trying to read her slot. I want to know if she thinks I'm scum or trying to figure out my reasoning for my vote.In post 845, Kirari Momobami wrote:Panda, you sure seem to deflect questions with other questions a lot. Does whether Yumeko is defending herself or attacking you change your answers to her questions?- RedPanda
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In post 854, Kirari Momobami wrote:
I guess I just feel like you're stalling a lot in this exchange, and it also felt like you were stalling with me. I don't know that makes you scum, unless you're maybe a secret alt of the worst. But I think you said you were a main so I think you're town, I think you're just needlessly evasive.In post 850, RedPanda wrote:It doesn't change my answers.
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huh? Do I come across as defensive? fmpov I'm only engaging her.In post 858, Kirari Momobami wrote:
That's exactly why I'm wondering why you feel so defensiveIn post 855, RedPanda wrote:Yumeko is where most of us are voting for. Isn't it time to get engage and get reads? Why do I need to defend against her?- RedPanda
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Yumeko I can admit to you that I misread what you posted.
Apart from that is there any fault in the way I scumhunt? Who else do you think I should vote for? And please mention someone other than hellknight.As for Yumeko, Well in my games I always town hunt because I believe even though most townies also try to be careful about what they post sometimes they post something genuine and my gut is what decides that. And I count the number of genuine posts they make in the off chance that a scum manages to get one that pings me. None of Yumekos posts have given me a genuine vibe. And she's a vote over others because I feel her strategy to send 5 of the strongest town reads is like the worst of them all and she even acknowledges the same in that post that it's easier said than done.- RedPanda
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I just want IBL to answer two things before I explain my reasoning for before.In post 862, Kirari Momobami wrote:"before I answer that let me ask you a different question" is defensive/evasive and classic stalling
I say that and I think you're town, but you do come off as pretty evasive today- RedPanda
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Whats your read on their actions right before the heal mechanic locked in?In post 871, RedPanda wrote:Whats your read on penguinpower and titus with regard to the just right before the heal mechanic locked in? - RedPanda
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