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[Montosh]

It's a song I'm listening to.

VOTE: RedFlavor

Scum

[Montosh]

VOTE: Nero Cain this has won me a game before so it's worth a shot

but you were scum so you are claiming scum?

VOTE: Nero

I now oppose the use of all meta

[Montosh]

Good to be back! Familiar faces here, even RedFlavor from my first ever game (iirc)!

VOTE: Nero Cain this has won me a game before so it's worth a shot

Oh wait...

This is gonna be harder than I thought

[Montosh]

I for one, welcome the Jesus gimmick

... As long as it doesn't last past page 10

[Montosh]

VOTE: mod replace me out

That's definitely not allowed lol.

[Montosh]

Jesus show us the mafia please.

rosterfoster
ofrhz
BodhiSmith13
Creature

I have a Townlean on Nero

GET. OFF. OF. ME. *pushes*

Trying too hard. This is scum. Luckily I'm already voting here.

Also all these people are town except Creature. He hasn't posted and is therefore confscum.

[Montosh]

I've had this avatar longer than skitter has had hers dammit.

[Montosh]

I think

[Montosh]

Probably not helped by the fact that I play like 3 games and then vanish for a few years but still.

Are we like ending RVS now? Or is this a joke post of yours?

if not, why do you believe my 78 was serious?

I am entirely semi-serious.

[Montosh]

Who apparently I think is Nero Cain.

He is American Jesus.

https://imgur.com/gallery/bCqRp

[Montosh]

Jesus show us the mafia please.

rosterfoster
ofrhz
BodhiSmith13
Creature

I have a Townlean on Nero

GET. OFF. OF. ME. *pushes*

Trying too hard. This is scum. Luckily I'm already voting here.

Also all these people are town except Creature. He hasn't posted and is therefore confscum.

His enthusiasm is what I find Towny about him. Maybe you’re just scum.

VOTE: Montosh

Things that are not town-tells:

- Frustration
- Enthusiasm
- Saying "I'm Scum!"
- Saying "I'm Town!"
- Being Jesus

[Montosh]

Being active and jokey in RVS is NAI.

What I find odd is your reactions to my post. How is it odd? I'm saying Creature is confscum for not posting by page 4. I'm obviously not serious.

[Montosh]

Being Jesus

This is wrong b/c he is the ultimate pro-town being.

Yes but which one? American Jesus clearly supports the small towns. But the other one? I don't know...

[Montosh]

you freaked out

This is me freaking out:

Trying too hard. This is scum. Luckily I'm already voting here.

Also all these people are town except Creature. He hasn't posted and is therefore confscum.

[Montosh]

You're taking this way too seriously for a page 4 RVS post. It's really weirding me out.

[Montosh]

I don't. Why do think I was being serious?

[Montosh]

*Why you think rather

[Montosh]

I am entirely semi-serious.

if you were being semi-serious it doesn't really seem like RVS though, no?

I ended RVS when you reacted in an odd way to my joke post. In the post I'm referring I called Creature scum for not posting by page 4. I don't feel I need a "THIS IS NOT SERIOUS" disclaimer on every RVS post. I think you know better.

But, for the record, my vote is now serious.

You called him scum for trying too hard. How else am I supposed to take that comment?

I mean if you read the post and still come to the conclusion that I'm being serious then I guess that's on me but I felt it was obviously not serious.

[Montosh]

If more people read it that way I may be in the wrong. I still don't see that though.

[Montosh]

The idea that there is a "random voting stage" is mafia is the dumbest most enduring myth on this site.

Why? There is one.
At least I do it. I don't know about you.

[Montosh]

The Humourous Header?

The Baffling Beginning?

The 12 days of shitposting?

[Montosh]

The idea that there is a "random voting stage" is mafia is the dumbest most enduring myth on this site.

Why? There is one.
At least I do it. I don't know about you.

Aw, there's a town attitude.

Scum's opening votes aren't random because they already know who is friend and who is foe. So they have to fake it.

Always scumhunt from post 1 onward.

Sure I get that. I still think it exists because town does it. Not saying you can't scumhunt in it, but I felt some of the reaction from Nero was excessive. 101 in particular

[Montosh]

The 12 days of shitposting?

that's just a bunch of marathon games but let not engage KK on fluff.

Spoiler:

[Montosh]

Fine if three people see it then maybe it's me. I will endeavour to be more clear. Commencing now all posts will have serious disclaimers.

[Montosh]

Yeah you've got it wrong. I do legit scumread Creature. To be fair, I always scumread Creature a bit.

[Montosh]

THAT WAS NOT SERIOUS

[Montosh]

But were you not being serious when you said you were being semi-serious? I'm seriously confused.

I was being mostly non-serious but that post from Nero did give me a gut reaction of scummy.

[Montosh]

It was like the first thing that caught my attention so I figured I'd keep my vote there until something more substantive came along. But I wasn't planning to build a real case with it.

[Montosh]

Slight correction you were already voting him but felt compelled to point that out, which reads like a re-vote.

That's fair I guess.

Montosh isn’t making me feel better about him.

Is that so? Why not?

[Montosh]

I don't understand why people are making a big issue with NC's list tbh, it seems random to me.
I also think RVS is bad and it should be stop very soon. And it does not stop and end like a normal thing does.

Are people making a big deal out of NC's list? I don't see anyone actually doing that. Also RVS is fine and occasionally makes me chuckle. Thus is should stay a thing. In fact, I propose this entire game be RVS.

That last sentence was not serious

[Montosh]

Kublai pushing NC list seems opportunistic imo.
VOTE: Kublai Khan

You mean just asking how he picked it? That's all he did. It's page 8 and I think Nero saying he picked from people who hadn't posted and KK showing that that wasn't the case was interesting.

What's opportunistic about it? He's not even voting there.

Since there's no way to crumb this I'm just going to say I'm a multitasking one shot motion detector and babysitter. I'm using both shots tonight, don't care about the motion detect, and want to invite the scum to shoot me so they can play roulette with my babysit. Come on guys, sure I could hit scum... But you could also get two townies for the price of one. The gamble... Is yours to make

VOTE: saudade

Go Montosh

I would like to make it past Day 1 this game actually.

[Montosh]

VOTE: Creature

I have some super top secret ways to catch scum creature

Oh grant me your secret wisdom senpai.

[Montosh]

Is that so? Why not?

You kinda stumbled while trying to justify your post that got you scumread.

Well I admit I still don't quite understand your view of it (or are you referencing Nero's reaction?). What post of mine are you talking about specifically? The one where I quoted Nero's list?

[Montosh]

Is that so? Why not?

You kinda stumbled while trying to justify your post that got you scumread.

Well I admit I still don't quite understand your view of it (or are you referencing Nero's reaction?). What post of mine are you talking about specifically? The one where I quoted Nero's list?

Yes, your post that said Nero was trying too hard. Your attempts to explain it were really awkward.

I think we'll have to just agree to disagree on this point because I really don't see where you're coming from. It still seems relatively simple to me. I had a slight gut reaction to it but mostly I think it was nothing and NAI. The fact that Nero made a big deal about it is a lot more AI imo.

[Montosh]

I mean what do you want from me? I don't understand where you are coming from and I have explained my reasoning for the post you've taken issue with. That's the best I can do to address your concerns.

And I haven't shifted focus to Nero. I'm already voting him and have stated that I didn't like his reaction. By all means focus on my post but unless you provide more specific concerns I'm going to have a hard time addressing them. It's like you're ignoring most of what i'm saying and then just picking out one sentence.

[Montosh]

I can see where you're getting that fair enough.

As to Nero, 101 seems disproportionate and reaching

[Montosh]

It's not out of the realm of being reasonable and if it were later in the game I probably wouldn't have much to say. But it's early and it pinged me so meh.

Maybe I'm being a bit defensive about it. I don't like feeling that I'm being misrepresented but I'm coming around to the idea that it was unintentional from Nero's part. Yours feels more townie than Nero's but Otter's I like less for gut reasons. Gonna go over their posts.

[Montosh]

If it wasn't clear, I'd also vote Red b/c 147 is some terrible reading or a legit attempt at revisionism

I agree on this. Misrepresenting the whole situation.

I am entirely semi-serious is such a nonesensical sentence that of course it’s not serious

Thank goodness thought I was losing my marbles

[Montosh]

Fine if three people see it then maybe it's me. I will endeavour to be more clear. Commencing now all posts will have serious disclaimers.

Since more people have said they thought you were serious, why are you still voting for Nero? Is 101 still that odd

It's more than Alch's but mainly I was just busy most of the day so I haven't read through the rest of the game yet.

[Montosh]

I was almost gonna say "Hi Skitter" to you

I've had this avatar longer than skitter has had hers dammit.

I think

Am I the only one who doesn’t think they’re similar?

I mean mine is a lifeless rock and hers is the Earth so yeah thank you.

Also hi LUV

[Montosh]

I didn't know it wasnt a push and just a question.

It was phrased as question without a vote... so I don't see why you'd see it as anything other than a question.

claim red

No why should they yet?

[Montosh]

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

Sheeping townreads plus I agree with roster/LUV

Also roster I know you're on Red because no vanity wagons but we're early in the day. I feel like that only applies if things haven't moved for a while.

[Montosh]

The way the Red wagon built up was just not right. And what's with this claim nonsense?

- Swims
- Nero
- pisskop
- *maybe* Red if the wagon is less bad

@LuckyOtter What do you think about Red?

[Montosh]

Add me to the group of people that sense strong scum-vibes coming off Montosh.

Will do. Thanks for your contribution.

e]
- I honestly didn't love red's initial vote on pisskop. Just pings me as the scum thing to do to jump on the self vote right away like that. (Side note: Vork voted here as well, but showed some self-awareness about it that seemed more towny to me)
- Some fluffy posts, even when things start to move along a little (with the exception of saying he doesn't see why NC's random list is getting negative attention, which I can agree with)
- Early wagons are good and didn't/don't see a need to drop this one yet until I can do some more sorting

See I don't disagree about Red but I personally wasn't a fan of the way the wagon happened. Not so much how quick, but rather who was on it and how some tried to get a weird early claim out. The process felt scummy and so that's why I hesitate.

In regards to the pisskop vote... I don't like self-voting in general and I feel like it's a legitimate thing to do on page 1, given that it was really the first thing to happen in a low-info stage, so that in particular seems NAI to me. And yeah the fluff is bad. Though I disagree about the NC list thing.

It

wasn't getting much attention aside from KK irrc, more my joke reaction to it was.

[Montosh]

Montosh
- Ignored mason claim.

I usually ignore RVS claims which are clearly not serious but sure whatever floats your boat

- Anti town-tells

I too enjoy this vague use of words

- Anti RedFlavor-wagon for the sake of being against a wagon.

I expressed concerns about the way the wagon built up. I do, in general, care about how a wagon was built and not just against whom it is targetted.

Vorkuta
- Weird Post 238.

I see nothing wrong with this post and kinda agree with it. I generally think lurking is scummy and to me not posting is scummy too so meh.

[Montosh]

I think Roster’s scum trying to pocket a range of people. Their only scumread is HeWhoSwims which they’ve voted 3 separate times so far. Meanwhile there’s a handful of Townreads that were given in quick succession. I don’t see the sincerity behind most of their reads. The defense of Montosh feels like they’re white-knighting a Townie.

VOTE: RosterFoster

If roster is scum trying to pocket me it's working and under most circumstances I might agree but I've recently finished a game with town!roster and this feels similar so far.

@Mod, can we get vote counts sorted by who has the most votes please?

+1 to this as well.

[Montosh]

I'm with piss here. If this is a scum list and he's legit scum reading me doesn't that prove 90 was serious and that he's lying when he says it wasn't?

It could be that I'm lying. Or it could be that since then you've reacted in a scummy way to a joke post and tried to get a premature claim on someone after joining a pretty shitty wagon.

It's definitely one of those two.

[Montosh]

Actually let's just do that VOTE: EvilDeanius

Why them over HWS?

I'm not seeing what is particularly weird about Vorkuta's posts. I don't see Red's and Vork's joining the pisskop wagon as the same.

Vork kind of has an unconventional posting style, so people tend to scumread that.

ED is indeed a possible, but the case on swims is more than just lurking, while I don’t really see one of ED?

I would say the same thing about HWS' posting style. I played with him as town and he has a very edited posting style that can read fake.

So does his posting so far seem very similar to that game?

2 posts.

Youre going to vote HWS over 2 posts?

Sure. Should we let people with bad posts go scot free if they haven't made enough. HWS can post more if he has a problem with it.

[Montosh]

My Creature vote is because
-Creature is due to roll scum against me some time soon
-I rely quite a bit on others telling me that "this is a scum!creature post" because apparently he's obvious as either alignment. Hopefully with pressure he obv!somethings and we can move on.
-Look at his ISO and tell me you don't want to roll your eyes at him

I mean for anyone else I'd be SRing that slot but knowing the way Creature posts it's kinda hard to do that. What specific posts in his ISO set him apart from town!Creature in your mind?

[Montosh]

I wouldn't mind switching my vote over to you. It's your call. I just can't decide if you are defending your partner or white knighting.

what a weaksauce thing to say

Agreed. This post sucks bad. But....

lemme help you since youre so incapable of making your own choices

Code: Select all

[v]pisskop[/v][/quote]

This post sucks worse.

[Montosh]

Sure. Should we let people with bad posts go scot free if they haven't made enough. HWS can post more if he has a problem with it.

Go after every Low Content Poster on site and see how long it takes to pull your hair out.

gotta read people on things other than content. Im not TRing him, Im saying this wagon is going to waste our time and kill our momentum.

Not every one. But I didn't like his posts. And go after things other than content? I mean the content of their posts is pretty important for me to read people I gotta say.

We've got time to explore options and pressure people.

[Montosh]

@Montosh I haven't seen enough from HWS to say for sure, but from the couple of posts so far, yes. Similar enough that I don't want to vote him.

ED on the other hand just pops in with literally no substance. So, easy vote.

Ok, I'm down with that then. If it's at all possible I'd be interested in getting a link to the game you're referring to.

But for now

VOTE: EvilDeanius

[Montosh]

What? Why would you guys want him to claim already

UNVOTE:

scum!ofrhz would gain more if he just stayed silent and waited for me to claim. Townish.

Agreed on this.

2 posts.

Youre going to vote HWS over 2 posts?

+1

Maybe HWS is just town because of those votes lol.

So, at the time my main town reads were on him and his posts felt very much like "I'm posting just for the sake of posting but not really adding any real content to the game". Kinda like active lurking without the active part.

But I do agree that scum often use a lynch all lurkers sentiment to try and avoid serious discussion on actual scumreads. Also noticed that HWS hasn't actually played since last summer (welcome back!)

[Montosh]

I'm fence sitting on HWS. He's lurking which is kinda scummy but is prob ultimately null. The one thing I don't really like is that he's sitting on his RVS and if he legit thinks I'm scum he needs to explain it.

Also, his wagon was kinda fast

.

So was Red's. Why does the speed of HWS's bother you more? Is there something about the way that wagon built up that bothered you at the time.

Of course there may be something to this given that a new HWS just built up but I'm wondering why you felt this at the time.

[Montosh]

I think that's a good catch and I think it really is something scum could do.

You do? Why?

I think "empty posting" is telling for scum personally - making posts that seem relevant but arent really saying anything. Of course meta plays a role here too - for example I think Creature usually posts short posts? But I didn't know ED before and as Otter said, it's just no contribution at all. If that akes sense.

Just going to x2 what ofrhz said. What you're describing sounds like active lurking, which to me is definitely scummy. What ED is doing is simple lurking, since they didn't seem to be making any effort to actually appear active and contributing to the game state. I think that's also scummy but less so.

Is there anyone you want to vote?

[Montosh]

Wait hold up guys

Why are we scumreading the guy with only 4 posts
when we could be scumreading creature instead?

Spoiler:

[Montosh]

I think that's a good catch and I think it really is something scum could do.

You do? Why?

I think "empty posting" is telling for scum personally - making posts that seem relevant but arent really saying anything. Of course meta plays a role here too - for example I think Creature usually posts short posts? But I didn't know ED before and as Otter said, it's just no contribution at all. If that akes sense.

Just going to x2 what ofrhz said. What you're describing sounds like active lurking, which to me is definitely scummy. What ED is doing is simple lurking, since they didn't seem to be making any effort to actually appear active and contributing to the game state. I think that's also scummy but less so.

Is there anyone you want to vote?

You have a good point, and what I said holds less value now that he's completely inactive / being replaced. On a re-read I think Vorkuta has a bit of the same, but I'm usually "cautious" with votes so to speak so I don't necessarily want to vote there yet? I'm gonna try to re read more this afternoon/evening.

Being too cautious with votes can be scummy. As if you're trying to avoid taking firm positions that can get you in trouble. I agree that I'm not liking Vortuka, particularly on that Creature wagon.

[Montosh]

This is going to be fun

Also scum!vork doesn't go for

easy and low hanging fruit on D1

.
It's too easy and compromises the rest of the game.

Like please- you're claiming that I'm scum yet you fail to see how suboptimal any of this is for scum!vork

Oh yay. Scum self-meta. Scum never do this!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Vorkuta

[Montosh]

Pretty sure rosterfoster is one scum

Why? He seems kind of similar to recent games I played with him where he was town. Do you think he's able to fake that effectively as scum? Why?

I wonder what's the resistance to HWS seeing everybody softed a scumread on them but never pulled a train on him like they did to me

Kind of a good point, though how much resistance was there? There was a decent wagon on HWS and some of the people who were on them are now on you. Like I see where you could be coming from but I'm not sure that's as strong as all that.

[Montosh]

Things that are not town-tells:

- Frustration
- Enthusiasm
- Saying "I'm Scum!"
- Saying "I'm Town!"
- Being Jesus

This made me giggle

Glad someone liked it

[Montosh]

VOTE: Jesus Louisus

VOTE: Jesus Louisus

VOTE: Jesus Lousius

VOTE: Jesus

I have committed a grevious sin.

I think Jesus' posts are just awkward and not scummy. I think they're trying to half commit to the character and so it's coming out weird. But I will ask Jesus:

I meant to go into this more “guns blazing!” than I have so far and I’m sorry about that. Things have been busier than expected today but I expect I’ll be all caught up soon.

Are you saying you have a gun?

Why ask this question? It honestly just seems kinda useless.

[Montosh]

Heyyyyy guyyys

This is my first mafia game EVER so i'm very NERVOUS about it

also, what a coincidence! i ended up rolling mafia in my first mafia game!

upsy-daisy me huh :' )))))

go easy on me okk?!

i'm an inoffensive cute newbie button after all.

Ugh. It's not scummy really because this isn't really a newbie but man it hurts to read.

Between those two posts, there's only a single minute. The fact that montosh went out of the way to show "doubt" and read a past post in this little time is kind of...yucky.

I'm very unconsciously biased towards montosh town here though, he basically...almost only have scum games. I can't help but be skeptical of it

Ah. I see you're one of those people who are going to read joke posts as if I'm being serious.

Of course I don't oppose the use of all meta. That would be ridiculous. I've used meta in this very game to explain my town read on roster. So this is bad and you should feel bad for posting it.

[Montosh]

Why is lynching a useless creature slot so damn hard?

Useless =/= scum. Lurking is somewhat scummy but this is Creature we're talking about. I'm not going to pretend to be able to read him but I've yet to see any indication that this is at all a good lynch for today.

[Montosh]

I'm thinking ED just popped in and flaked :/

HWS is starting to look less like the town version I remember. Not in terms of style but in content. He was much more analytical in that game and he's being kinda lazy here. I was expecting him to step it up. So sure.

VOTE: HWS

>defend hws for half the fricking day
>ends up voting hws

also luckyotter has lots of undercutting reads what is essentially what scum loves to do so...

yeah. something to remember?

(I don't think it's something that partners do though, if anything it would be more like scum whiteknighting lynchbait until they remembered their wincon is lynching town).

who knows though, maybe hws is just scum, j

Just to remember I like this post. Something pinged me about Otter before but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. I need to ISO them. If they're V/LA it's a good time but... I'm le tired.

[Montosh]

Gonna look at things from the last few pages later today

[Montosh]

Niko is pretty bad, Vortuka sucks also. Not sure what to do with the vig claim?

I guess the "if they don't shoot on night 2, then lynch them" logic holds... but then they'll just be like "hey I've been roleblocked" or something.

[Montosh]

Ah. I see you're one of those people who are going to read joke posts as if I'm being serious.

Of course I don't oppose the use of all meta. That would be ridiculous. I've used meta in this very game to explain my town read on roster. So this is bad and you should feel bad for posting it.

Montosh I don`t need to feel bad for anything on that post. The reason people don`t get you`re joking is because you`re tone deaf, and that`s not the reason i`m currently town reading you (you insisting on this is making me slightly less sure you`re town).

What in the hell are you talking about? I don't care why you're town reading me. You're the only one who thought that post was serious. No one else has had any issues with that. You're trying to extend an issue people had with another post to this one (and for the record, Nero is still slightly scummy for that).

I like ogrhz's vote on red but

What? Why would you guys want him to claim already

UNVOTE:

seemed kinda scummy but I don't think I can put it in words.

There also seems to be a lack of scumhunting and he just throws out a bunch of town reads. Did anyone else get that impression?

I thought trying to get a premature claim out of Red was more scummy than them not being okay with it. And some people tend to townhunt as town, there can be a lot of value in that if they want to form townblocs.

Add them to the list of people I'll ISO later.

[Montosh]

Oh yay. Scum self-meta. Scum never do this!

Vorki is actually townish in that post you quoted. I dont remember my read on him this game tho.

I felt their explanation was bullshit. Instead of really explaining the Creature vote, they go and use self-meta and say scum!vork never does that. Well I think scum!anyone will go after lots of people, and all they really said about Creature was "Look at his ISO and tell me it doesn't suck". And to me Creature just seems like... well Creature.

Stop it skitter.

[Montosh]

*sigh*

I wanted to bait scum by claiming strong PR but since it was kind of obvious I wanted to claim bp as if it was an ~afterthought~ of a scared PR, to get shoot and *actually* be confirmable power role since I'm *actually* bp and therefore would confirm myself

VOTE: Niko

[Montosh]

Need to ISO:

- Otter
- Vork
- nom

(For my own memory)

[Montosh]

Otter ISO:

128 Somehow taking the sentence "entirely semi-serious" as not being a joke. Also trying to cast sus on me because I thought Nero misrepresenting my posts was a scummy thing to do. Still think this was opportunistic, but enough people have said something about it that I can't discount it coming from town either

138 More of the same

181 and 202 Asking questions to people who aren't justifying their votes/reads. I like to do that too sometimes but not really AI since anyone could do it. Well maybe it's slightly towny since scum try to avoid those kind of confrontations maybe?

285 I like the analysis which seems based on good faith. I don't entirely agree with everything here but on reflection I do think Red's vote on pisskop was opportunistic. But I don't see how Vork's self-awareness exonerates them either. I could also do without the fluff. What still concerns me though was the way the wagon built up quickly and how people tried to extract a claim. The wagon composition wasn't great either. So I hesitate with Red not because of the way Red's played but because of how others have.

389 This is pretty good. Not much to quarrel with other than why Red and Vork were different. Otter responds a lot to other people's reads though. After this they vote for a lurker who subsequently flakes (I sheep this vote).

551 Otter I'd be down if you could explore a little bit more what about HWS' posting made you change your mind on them?

1072 I agree on the Jesus wagon. It was weird how people responded to a comment clearly made in jest. I wonder if we've seen that before this game.... But in all seriousness yeah I agree.

1087 I don't know. I could see scum!roster thinking he'd get pushback for the hammer. I could see that happening the day after a semi-PL wagon.

1132 I mostly agree with your whole thing here but just saying that it's not unreasonable to fish for reactions from your townleans just to get some more info. KK's weird frustration about your question is odd though, and I honestly can't fathom where it's coming from, and I don't see why scum!KK would act like that unless genuinely frustrated by a fairly simple question.

1140 Your style this game seems very "react to other people's reads" over "put out my own for other's to react to". Which is fine. I do the same. Would you say that's generally your playstyle?

[Montosh]

Vork:

46 Don't like this. Gut thing. Based on nothing rational.

233 Never been able to read Creature. Didn't pretend to be able to this game. And yeah he was scum. But I still ask why this?

235 I happen to like my posting style thank you very much.

406 Like I don't get this. Who are you relying on to tell you that Creature is scum precisely? Can't read Creature for shit but none of this explains where the read came from.

546 Do you tend to do a lot of vote-switching Day 1?

585 I'd forgotten how hard you went after Creature the last Day. I don't see scum doing that at this point in any circumstance. There wasn't enough previous pressure to justify it. I do think you're wrong here but there's very little way that you are scum.

835 I'd imagine more scum were on the Niko wagon than not. What do you think about how many were voting Niko?

[Montosh]

VOTE: Alchemist

Add this to my ISO list

Otter

Vork

HWS/nom
Alchemist

[Montosh]

VOTE: Alchemist

Add this to my ISO list

Otter

Vork

HWS/nom
Alchemist

Interesting that you’re placing the vote before ISO’ing me. Why is that?

Because you pinged me while reading through the game a bit. I'll see if my ISO confirms my instinct.

[Montosh]

Otter ISO:

551 Otter I'd be down if you could explore a little bit more what about HWS' posting made you change your mind on them?

Sure. Here's the game I played with him: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76409
He was townie here. He was also IC which may have contributed to his stilted style, but you can see why I didn't scumread him right away. The Hmmm tell just isn't a thing for him. But after that, in the present game, he just totally disengages. In my previous game with him, he was pushing and prodding very methodically. The only reason I'm not hard voting that slot right now is because he replaced out, and because the previous game was a very different context. There's enough reason to doubt that his play here is scum indicative.

I can definitely see where you're coming from. Definitely more engaged in that game, though still a somewhat low amount of posting it seems to me (compared to most people on Day 1). I still find this hard to read from for a couple reasons though now:

1) Looking at his profile, as I noted previously, this appears to be HWS' first game in nearly a year.
2) Obviously, as you say, being an IC in a newbie game is a different responsibility with an expectation that they'll help the game along. In contrast, there is much less of that expectation here.
3) Some people (like myself) become less active as scum. Some people become more active and post a lot. I think lurking is slightly scummy in general, but from that game it doesn't seem like his town playstyle is super active either.
4) He wasn't here for very long.

[Montosh]

HWS:

203 More on the joke post stuff. The way he's trying to validate Nero's actions here is weird. Like trying to get on the good side of a townie?
532 I mean, I think he's right that scum try to make empty posts. But ED wasn't really doing that. They weren't trying to appear to be contributing but actually saying nothing, they were just saying nothing of relevance. It wasn't active lurking but just lurking. Also I look at the way he responds to Nero and cringe a bit. Like very nervous about it.
574 Says he's cautious with votes. That seems consistent with the game that Otter quoted.

nom:

1060 Maybe it's opportunistic but I also don't like the "Good shot" reacting to a scum death so I can't quarrel that much. Wouldn't vote for it though.
1074 Why would you have taken the RVS claim all that seriously?
1089 Do you still feel this way nom? What are your reads now? Even if it's slim and now based on much.
1118 I'd forgotten that post. The joke read is my best so far lol.
1134 I'm also quite confused. I thought the "do you have a gun" thing was a joke.
1158 Is that vote because of the interaction in your previous posts? Or do you agree with Eyes who posted before you?
1170 It's entirely reasonable for Jesus to have a scumlean on you based on his read of your slot's previous occupant. In that regard you

are

HWS.
1172 Fair. Jesus sucks so far (Sacrilege I know).
1176 Can you expand on how you feel about Red?
1256 Nero sucks here. And everywhere.

[Montosh]

it's like how players claim scum as scum these days. Could Montosh just have been scum truth-telling here?

Creature has an established meta of flaking/lurking as scum (at least when I last played with him). Which do you think is more likely? Me joking based on that or me being scum truth-telling in a joke RVS post?

[Montosh]

@Jesus Was your guns post a joke or not?

[Montosh]

Also, I was pushing scum d1 b4 niko gamethrew so neener neener.

Good job. You do realize we didn't lynch Creature though right? So it's great that you were "pushing" him but it didn't amount to much.

[Montosh]

I'm not getting your Eyes case roster. I'll have to re-read it later cause my brain is not working.

Also
UNVOTE:

Because I haven't had a chance to do my Alch ISO yet.

[Montosh]

Blarghh... my reads have been shit.

Ok I'll be here tonight after work.

[Montosh]

VOTE: ofrhz

Just sheeping townreads, though not to the point where I'm voting with them since they're voting for me. Well one of them is. Nero I'm not so sure about but he's probably just irritating me. Probably not actually scum though.

[Montosh]

I'm confused that wasn't a catchup?

[Montosh]

Why vote when you aren't caught up?

I'm here... don't need a catch up? Like what are you on about?

and

Yeah you've got it wrong. I do legit scumread Creature. To be fair, I always scumread Creature a bit.

Hedging on Creature

makes some sense to me

That post was followed by:

THAT WAS NOT SERIOUS

[Montosh]

If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?

why would he?

Keep pressure away from Creature

After niko claimed scum I think creature was under no pressure?

I don't think there was much serious pressure even before.

[Montosh]

VOTE: ofrhz

Just sheeping townreads, though not to the point where I'm voting with them since they're voting for me. Well one of them is. Nero I'm not so sure about but he's probably just irritating me. Probably not actually scum though.

Remind me who your townreads are?

nom, roster, pops and Nero. My gut wants me to townread Nero less but I think he's just annoying me rather than being scummy. I guess Vork too but I'm less sure.

[Montosh]

Sorry for not being super useful lately. Had a lot of trouble getting into this one and sorting.

Anyway I'm VT. Still think roster, Nero, non and probably pops are town.