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Nero Cain · Post Post #23 (isolation #0) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:21 am

VOTE: kk

Nero Cain · Post Post #26 (isolation #1) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:41 am

In post 18, HeWhoSwims wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain this has won me a game before so it's worth a shot

but you were scum so you are claiming scum?

Nero Cain · Post Post #36 (isolation #2) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:48 pm

We all know he's an imposter

Nero Cain · Post Post #40 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:52 pm

lol, you think a gimmick alt is going to drop his gimmick?

Nero Cain · Post Post #42 (isolation #4) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:56 pm

Do you believe in the power of prayer?

Nero Cain · Post Post #44 (isolation #5) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:57 pm

or is praying for them to quit breaking that rule too?

Nero Cain · Post Post #50 (isolation #6) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:09 pm

In post 47, pisskop wrote:Ask them in your PT what to do.

I can't be more specific but Jesus fuck.

Nero Cain · Post Post #51 (isolation #7) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:11 pm

In post 49, Saudade wrote:Im mason

Why in the ever loving fuck would you claim that? just gonna let scum nk you and if they don't we'll just pl you if we haven't game solved yet.

Nero Cain · Post Post #54 (isolation #8) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:19 pm

the question wasn't actually rhetorical but thinking about it I guess it doesn't matter in the long run.

Nero Cain · Post Post #57 (isolation #9) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:21 pm

Well someone has to do the thinking for us

Nero Cain · Post Post #68 (isolation #10) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:46 pm

In post 64, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 54, Nero Cain wrote:the question wasn't actually rhetorical but thinking about it I guess it doesn't matter in the long run.
He just finished a week long ban for talking about ongoing games directly related to saying "im mason" in every game. The mason thing was either meme or an FU to the mods but probably had little to nothing to do with this game.

well, that's annoying.

Nero Cain · Post Post #78 (isolation #11) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:01 pm

In post 74, RedFlavor wrote:Jesus show us the mafia please.

rosterfoster
ofrhz
BodhiSmith13
Creature

In post 77, Alchemist21 wrote:I have a Townlean on Nero

GET. OFF. OF. ME. *pushes*

Nero Cain · Post Post #82 (isolation #12) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:05 pm

In post 79, ofrhz wrote:
In post 78, Nero Cain wrote:rosterfoster
ofrhz
BodhiSmith13
Creature
no

Did I get any right?

Nero Cain · Post Post #87 (isolation #13) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:18 pm

In post 85, RedFlavor wrote:I'm following Jesus

but I was on KK but let's ride on that train together.

[post=ofrhz]ofrhz[/post]

Nero Cain · Post Post #88 (isolation #14) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:19 pm

lol

VOTE: ofrhz

Nero Cain · Post Post #94 (isolation #15) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:32 pm

Are we like ending RVS now? Or is this a joke post of yours?

if not, why do you believe my 78 was serious?

Nero Cain · Post Post #101 (isolation #16) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:43 pm

TBF, I think I'm being active and jokey wich I could easily do as scum but Mont's reaction to a fake scum list is 78 is p odd. If he's scum there's at least one scum buddy in that.

Nero Cain · Post Post #102 (isolation #17) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:44 pm

In post 99, Montosh wrote:Being Jesus

This is wrong b/c he is the ultimate pro-town being.

Nero Cain · Post Post #105 (isolation #18) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:52 pm

it was a joke list of the scum and you freaked out and said I was trying too hard.

Nero Cain · Post Post #111 (isolation #19) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:02 pm

In post 95, Montosh wrote:I am entirely semi-serious.

if you were being semi-serious it doesn't really seem like RVS though, no?

Nero Cain · Post Post #114 (isolation #20) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:11 pm

In post 113, Montosh wrote:I ended RVS when you reacted in an odd way to my joke post.

In post 94, Nero Cain wrote:Are we like ending RVS now? Or is this a joke post of yours?

if not, why do you believe my 78 was serious?

ok, what was so bad about?

Nero Cain · Post Post #115 (isolation #21) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:13 pm

IDK, but

In post 90, Montosh wrote:Trying too hard. This is scum. Luckily I'm already voting here.

doesn't really seem like a jokey RVS statement to me

Nero Cain · Post Post #123 (isolation #22) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:25 pm

In post 120, Montosh wrote:The 12 days of shitposting?

that's just a bunch of marathon games but let not engage KK on fluff.

Nero Cain · Post Post #126 (isolation #23) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:29 pm

VOTE: montosh

Nero Cain · Post Post #129 (isolation #24) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:32 pm

that made me lol but as funny as it is can we not?

Nero Cain · Post Post #133 (isolation #25) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:38 pm

In post 128, LuckyOtter wrote:The next bit about Creature being confscum obviously was, which is why I assumed Montosh said he was "semi-serious."

What if it is a Montosh-Creature team and

THAT

was the serious part, while the part that was calling me scum was the joke part?

*tinfoil*

Nero Cain · Post Post #136 (isolation #26) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:40 pm

In post 132, Kublai Khan wrote:@Nero Cain, how did you pick your "scum list" anyways?

just a bunch of players that hadn't posted. TBF, OFrhz did post while I was typing but I didn't feel like changing it for him.

Nero Cain · Post Post #140 (isolation #27) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:46 pm

In post 137, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 136, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 132, Kublai Khan wrote:@Nero Cain, how did you pick your "scum list" anyways?
just a bunch of players that hadn't posted. TBF, OFrhz did post while I was typing but I didn't feel like changing it for him.
Eh.. ohrhz and rosterfoster had both already posted, but the other two hadn't.

oh well

Nero Cain · Post Post #205 (isolation #28) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:28 am

In post 147, RedFlavor wrote:I don't understand why people are making a big issue with NC's list tbh, it seems random to me.

this is not even what happened.

In post 156, RedFlavor wrote:Kublai pushing NC list seems opportunistic imo.
VOTE: Kublai Khan

Eh....seems a little premature.

In post 158, Creature wrote:Oh no I'm depressed

b/c you rolled scum?

In post 172, Kirari Momobami wrote:think roster's town here if we're mindmelding and he's not bothered by one of the other posts

What if he's just bussing?

Montosh is still scum.

In 74 Red was asking me/Jesus to reveal the scumteam. And I jokingly gave a list.

In post 90, Montosh wrote:Trying too hard. This is scum. Luckily I'm already voting here.

If this was a joke then fair but...

In post 94, Nero Cain wrote:Are we like ending RVS now? Or is this a joke post of yours?

In post 95, Montosh wrote:I am entirely semi-serious

So it doesn't really make sense as a joke.

He later goes on to clarify that the creature portion of his post was a joke

In post 103, Montosh wrote:I'm saying Creature is confscum for not posting by page 4. I'm obviously not serious.

So that means he was being "semi-serious" about scum reading me for a joke scum list and I just have no clue why.

and I'm agreeing here with Alchem that he's just trying to shrug it off-it looks bad.

Nero Cain · Post Post #207 (isolation #29) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:31 am

If it wasn't clear, I'd also vote Red b/c 147 is some terrible reading or a legit attempt at revisionism

Nero Cain · Post Post #209 (isolation #30) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:33 am

In post 208, Creature wrote:Your list was still shit though.

ok?

it wasn't a serious list. I'm not sure why you two are up in arms over it.

Nero Cain · Post Post #210 (isolation #31) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:34 am

In post 203, HeWhoSwims wrote:Hmm no not a fan of Montosh here. Too serious a reaction and I think Nero has a fair point in reacting to that.

I'll town read you if you vote Montosh.

Nero Cain · Post Post #213 (isolation #32) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:43 am

In post 211, rosterfoster wrote:I don’t know why any of you thought that ‘semi-serious’ was serious.

b/c shouldn't we say what we mean?

I get jokes man, like sometimes I'm a bit slow to understand but I know ppl do them.

I was asking Mont's 90 was a joke.

In post 95, Montosh wrote:I am entirely semi-serious.

Doesn't seem like a joke responce.

montosh
roster
creature
red

We can kill any of those today and I'll be happy.

Nero Cain · Post Post #220 (isolation #33) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:48 am

I mean piss beat me to it. Guy is fast, he's pure stream.

Nero Cain · Post Post #223 (isolation #34) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:51 am

oh forgot ofrhz, I don't really like that guy either.

Nero Cain · Post Post #226 (isolation #35) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:17 am

i kinda like roster but changing votes at the drop of a hat is kinda annoying.

Nero Cain · Post Post #232 (isolation #36) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:27 am

you, in your boots

Nero Cain · Post Post #258 (isolation #37) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:12 pm

claim red

Nero Cain · Post Post #260 (isolation #38) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:21 pm

lol. idk what the VC is I was gonna vote him so was giving him a chance to claim if he's L-1

Nero Cain · Post Post #262 (isolation #39) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:25 pm

the one with the vote count?

Nero Cain · Post Post #266 (isolation #40) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:32 pm

blood for the blood godz

Nero Cain · Post Post #277 (isolation #41) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:55 pm

Nero Cain doesn't need to lower himself to gimmick alts.

Nero Cain · Post Post #280 (isolation #42) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:05 pm

In post 278, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 277, Nero Cain wrote:Nero Cain doesn't need to lower himself to gimmick alts.
I thought you couldn't go any lower.

AHHH I'M BURNING!

Nero Cain · Post Post #282 (isolation #43) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:09 pm

American Jesus is not a heathen you blasphemous fool.

Nero Cain · Post Post #287 (isolation #44) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:08 pm

he's saying that he agree's with roster that Montosh wasn't being serious.

Nero Cain · Post Post #352 (isolation #45) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:36 am

In post 347, Alchemist21 wrote:
@Mod, can we get vote counts sorted by who has the most votes please?

In post 348, RedFlavor wrote:
In post 347, Alchemist21 wrote:
@Mod, can we get vote counts sorted by who has the most votes please?
+1

I've asked this before and was denied but maybe if more than just me pressures him he'll bend so add my name to the list of players that want sorted VC's.

Nero Cain · Post Post #359 (isolation #46) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:18 pm

In post 357, pisskop wrote:I want to say thats probably premature.

so are you

Nero Cain · Post Post #373 (isolation #47) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:40 pm

In post 365, pisskop wrote:
In post 274, Montosh wrote:The way the Red wagon built up was just not right. And what's with this claim nonsense?

- Swims
- Nero
- pisskop
- *maybe* Red if the wagon is less bad

@LuckyOtter What do you think about Red?
I am under the impression that this is a scumlist.

I dont really get the Swims SRs. Maybe Ill iso them after.

I'm with piss here. If this is a scum list and he's legit scum reading me doesn't that prove 90 was serious and that he's lying when he says it wasn't?

Nero Cain · Post Post #387 (isolation #48) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:44 pm

In post 382, Montosh wrote:It could be that I'm lying. Or it could be that since then you've reacted in a scummy way to a joke post and tried to get a premature claim on someone after joining a pretty shitty wagon.

It's definitely one of those two.

b/c asking you if you were legit calling me scummy is sooooo "scummy"

Nero Cain · Post Post #427 (isolation #49) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:31 pm

In post 411, Kirari Momobami wrote:Nero Cain -- don't agree with reads

What reads do you not agree with?

In post 425, Kirari Momobami wrote:I wasn't even undercutting your read I just don't know what you're seeing

I have 50 posts so I assume he's seeing that, no?

Nero Cain · Post Post #529 (isolation #50) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:49 am

In post 524, ofrhz wrote:
In post 502, RedFlavor wrote:@everyone which player can you read the best?
I’m not very familiar with anyone in this playerlist

you've played with me b4.

I'm fence sitting on HWS. He's lurking which is kinda scummy but is prob ultimately null. The one thing I don't really like is that he's sitting on his RVS and if he legit thinks I'm scum he needs to explain it. Also, his wagon was kinda fast.

Nero Cain · Post Post #580 (isolation #51) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:51 am

VOTE: creature

Nero Cain · Post Post #591 (isolation #52) » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:43 pm

I think you are both town, now lets lynch a useless Creature slot.

Nero Cain · Post Post #682 (isolation #53) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:04 pm

niko is town probs but Jesus

Nero Cain · Post Post #683 (isolation #54) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:04 pm

so is the other false jesus

Nero Cain · Post Post #684 (isolation #55) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:05 pm

Why is lynching a useless creature slot so damn hard?

Nero Cain · Post Post #688 (isolation #56) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:41 pm

I expect Creature to be useless regardless of alignment?

Nero Cain · Post Post #690 (isolation #57) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:51 pm

but whats the difference between he who lurks and creature?

Nero Cain · Post Post #727 (isolation #58) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:44 am

TBF, you did claim scum. :/

I still think Mont is wildly scummy.

I don't like Creature and I'm not sure why he's getting defended. Although I do like his red vote.

Nero Cain · Post Post #729 (isolation #59) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:52 am

My reasoning for gut scumreading ofrhz is kinda odd

In post 75, ofrhz wrote:what

nooo saudade

Why does town ofrhz give a shit if saudade replaces out?

Nero Cain · Post Post #733 (isolation #60) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:58 am

In post 730, Niko wrote:Are you willing to switch Creature for HWS?

not really. HWS just seems like a non-descript lurker to me. The fact he's about to flake out only makes me kinda think he's just to busy to play and not scum lurking it the background. His first post that ppl think are scummy? Just reads as an ankward joke to me.

Nero Cain · Post Post #736 (isolation #61) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:03 am

I like ogrhz's vote on red but

In post 265, ofrhz wrote:What? Why would you guys want him to claim already

UNVOTE:

seemed kinda scummy but I don't think I can put it in words.

There also seems to be a lack of scumhunting and he just throws out a bunch of town reads. Did anyone else get that impression?

Nero Cain · Post Post #737 (isolation #62) » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:03 am

In post 735, Niko wrote:Lynching my wolf reads this game won't be easy huh...

but there are no wolds in the game, only mafia.

Nero Cain · Post Post #809 (isolation #63) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:16 am

18 player game and you don't think its 4 scum?

like you either think its a 15/3 game which seems too small

or a

13/5 which is way too big.

Also, 17-20 player games are commonly 4 scum so...

this seems like fake dumbtelling or TMI.

Nero Cain · Post Post #810 (isolation #64) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:19 am

Also the hyperposting and continuously lulz claiming scum is just annoying and I'm down to pl that.

Nero Cain · Post Post #813 (isolation #65) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:21 am

yeah, you prob aren't.

Nero Cain · Post Post #814 (isolation #66) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:23 am

TBF, I'm not the biggest fan of Vork's "catchup" and he needs to use words but I kinda feel like he wouldn't stick his head out like that.

Nero Cain · Post Post #817 (isolation #67) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:26 am

In post 797, Niko wrote:and no, I don't believe in a 4 man scum team.

In post 811, Niko wrote:I've only ever seen ircher's large though and jingle saying that 4 man teams were too big for any game, so I might not be the best reference.

Is this a beleavible backtrack?

Nero Cain · Post Post #819 (isolation #68) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:39 am

In post 818, Niko wrote:do you get why I will rather believe in 3p and not 4p, or is it too hard?

ok, so you are a claimed sk yay?

Also, 4 scum in a 25 player seems like ass.

Nero Cain · Post Post #821 (isolation #69) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:51 am

What in the world are you on about?

Nero Cain · Post Post #825 (isolation #70) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:06 am

I mean, it's not like I was fussing at him for a lack of scum reads. But I do think his setup spec that we didn't have 4 scum is fake dumbtelling or legit TMI but he's either real claiming SK or lulz claiming SK.

Nero Cain · Post Post #826 (isolation #71) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:10 am

like if you are a town BP then yes, it makes sense to think is a killing role and the simplest solution to that is "im in a game of mafia"

now if you are a mafia BP it does make sense to assume the game has a sk/vig.

let's just vote this headache.

VOTE: niko

Nero Cain · Post Post #827 (isolation #72) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:15 am

Also looking at the KOP iso he was actually p scummy.

Nero Cain · Post Post #828 (isolation #73) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:28 am

In post 304, Kop wrote:I don't even know who to vote for.

like here he is being shat with his voice and vote and being hesitant.

In post 305, Kop wrote:Don't like the idea of the forcing claim from Red, I am fully aware that he is high up on the wagon list, but it's still early stages.

In post 307, Kop wrote:Don't really see anything in Reds ISO that is pinging me as scummy. :/

Here he's defending a scummy ass Red for ??? reason

In post 403, Kop wrote:
In post 402, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 396, pisskop wrote:2 posts.

Youre going to vote HWS over 2 posts?
Yeah. C'mon, join us.
What are you hoping to achieve? Its virtually a empty slot at the moment in time.

shouting down the HWS bandwagon

In post 575, Kop wrote:VOTE: Creature

we are 24 pages in and he has 0 scum hunting and all he's done is pressure vote?

Nero Cain · Post Post #830 (isolation #74) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:32 am

like the reason I was town reading Niko b/c there are tons of silly townies that think claiming scum and doing slayers gambit is some nxt lvl town play and that's what I had felt but Jesus fuck. 0% scum hunting from Kop and not finding ANYTHING worthwhile to talk about in 24 pages is balls.

Nero Cain · Post Post #833 (isolation #75) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:53 am

ok I'll be back later and I expect to see either votes for niko "or Niko would never claim scum as scum" b/c you know most players are squeamish kittens that wait till >24 hours to do anything.

Nero Cain · Post Post #860 (isolation #76) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:02 am

In post 834, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 830, Nero Cain wrote:like the reason I was town reading Niko b/c there are tons of silly townies that think claiming scum and doing slayers gambit is some nxt lvl town play and that's what I had felt but Jesus fuck
That’s what I’m thinking as well. I actually don’t see scum making the posts Niko’s been making.

What do you think of my other reasons? The analysis of Kop, the "no there's not 3 mafia"

Nero Cain · Post Post #864 (isolation #77) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:33 am

oh hey look, a claim that guarantee's that you live till n3 if ppl are all like "at least let him get a shot off"

Nero Cain · Post Post #866 (isolation #78) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:37 am

sorry, I meant d3

Nero Cain · Post Post #867 (isolation #79) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:41 am

In post 862, Niko wrote:I'm not SK because I can only shoot in Even Nights

SK's don't have to be every night

In post 862, Niko wrote:a SK here would as a matter of fact be bulletproof

sk's don't

HAVE

to be bp

In post 862, Niko wrote:to make them waste their strongman on me

I dunno why you'd even think there was a strongman in this setup unless you are a bp :/

Nero Cain · Post Post #869 (isolation #80) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:45 am

the thing is, doing gambits are a risk. And they are going to confuse town more than scum. I think it's stupid for someone to gambit and then get bent out of shape when they get scum read.

Nero Cain · Post Post #872 (isolation #81) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:50 am

In post 871, Niko wrote:Ofrhz has a decent scum read on me and I'm not complaining about her, am I?

that's why we'll lynch that next.

Nero Cain · Post Post #875 (isolation #82) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:56 am

dumb telling is very much a thing and a ton of scum do it. Maybe not particularly about the setup but acting clueless is very much a scum tactic.

Sorry, I'm just not sure I buy into an experienced player that thinks this is a mini with 5 extra town. The simplest solution to me is that it

IS

3 scum BESIDES yourself. Like being a fairly valuable town pr and then doing gambits and risk yourself is ???

Nero Cain · Post Post #876 (isolation #83) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:59 am

like besides the semi-rare 3 scum/1 sk mini setup they are usually just a 10/3. 15/3 here makes 0% fucking sense.

Nero Cain · Post Post #878 (isolation #84) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:09 pm

yeah, try and go lurk that pressure off.

Nero Cain · Post Post #888 (isolation #85) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:23 pm

I don't really like how pisskop seems to be avoiding the thread

Nero Cain · Post Post #891 (isolation #86) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:28 pm

being drinky kop doesn't stop you from posting in this game.

Nero Cain · Post Post #898 (isolation #87) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:58 pm

I'd lynch a trolling pisscop too

like d1we lyncj niko

d2 is piss

d3 is ofrz

Nero Cain · Post Post #900 (isolation #88) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:02 pm

it's not like I've talked about these recently but you are ignoring this game so...

Nero Cain · Post Post #926 (isolation #89) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:06 am

I'm all in on Niko. I mean there always is the possibility that he's just dumb town that was doing slayer gambit as a vih? But its equally possible that he's just some flavor of scum b/c claiming scum as scum is all the rage these days. Mostly b/c its WIFOM.

but the funky setup spec and Kop being pretty scummy is enough for me to be willing to burn a lynch on them.

Nero Cain · Post Post #972 (isolation #90) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:33 pm

In post 951, Kublai Khan wrote:@pisskop - You seem to be dancing around trying to find a counter wagon without making a definitive read on Niko. The most you seem to have made is a wishy-washy "tone is town, but content is bad" (paraphrased). Could you give a definitive read on Niko? (preferably sober)

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Though it was pretty funky he was avoiding the thread last night when me and Niko had our convo 1 on 1. I think his drunk thing was an act and a seemingly clever way to avoid content but its nothing I can prove so w/e.

In post 951, Kublai Khan wrote:@DeasVail - How can someone who has been here as long as you have just through their hands in the air and say you can't read a situation and decide to vote a wagon you're going to have no company on and who is V/LA? You really seem like you're looking for a safe spot where you don't upset anyone.

this one I'm not as sure on b/c town can be indecisive but I think I get where you are coming from.

Nero Cain · Post Post #975 (isolation #91) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:46 pm

no, stop asking hollow questions that I've already answered.

Nero Cain · Post Post #977 (isolation #92) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:49 pm

oh, you posted reads. good job?

you should joing me on niko.

Nero Cain · Post Post #980 (isolation #93) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:52 pm

assume Niko and eyes are in gladiator combat. Who do you puck?

Nero Cain · Post Post #982 (isolation #94) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:54 pm

but a playstyle can still roll scum and if he's an SK then mafia have a

TON

of motivation to want that alive.

Nero Cain · Post Post #984 (isolation #95) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:56 pm

In post 981, pisskop wrote:ugh they arent tho.

Do you think that there's much of a chance that anyone but eyes or niko gets lynched?

Nero Cain · Post Post #987 (isolation #96) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:57 pm

what false dichotomy am I pushing?

Nero Cain · Post Post #993 (isolation #97) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:01 pm

Which faction would want an SK alive? its not town.

Nero Cain · Post Post #994 (isolation #98) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:02 pm

In post 991, pisskop wrote:I think if i were scum i wouldnt push the sk overtly, but once wagoned Id not pass that chance up and id tunnel it to death.

you mean like you are doing now?

"let him live, but n2,d3 he needs death"

Nero Cain · Post Post #996 (isolation #99) » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:04 pm

In post 988, pisskop wrote:between niko and Eyes.

Like the squabble is over a post that says a thing? or something?

it's like 2.5 days till deadline. I'm just herding kittens.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:07 pm

In post 990, pisskop wrote:Its not like we will suddenly forget niko/eyes was a vig and let them into lylo.

here you say that we should make sure that niko should be lynched b4 lylo.

In post 985, pisskop wrote:Id want it dead on N2 or 3 if i were scum.

and here.

In post 979, pisskop wrote:niko seems like theyre committed to a playstyle, not scum dodging a rope.

here you are writing them off over NAI reasons.

In post 989, pisskop wrote:Let them live.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:09 pm

I'm also EXCLUSIVELY pushing Niko as scum and you are doing this weird thing and acting like I'm pushing both.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:10 pm

In post 999, DeasVail wrote:
In post 980, Nero Cain wrote:assume Niko and eyes are in gladiator combat. Who do you puck?
I puck Niko.

(That means lynch right?)

yeah, stupid I and U keys being right next to each other.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:18 pm

but you are doing exactly what you claim you'd do as scum. Not push them and leave them alone till later.

Its a risk but mafia would want an SK alive b/c they need the extra dead bodies and its a distraction from hunting them.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:24 pm

I think getting rid of a scummy claimed vig isn't a big loss b/c we'll have less night kills per night and he won't suck up night actions.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:25 pm

In post 1009, pisskop wrote:
In post 1008, pisskop wrote:SK is scumhunting
So does niko fit this nero?

cuz I dont think you think so.

yes b/c mafia is black and white and everyone plays exactly the same way.

Nero Cain · Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:26 am

man, you really want him alive

Nero Cain · Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:08 pm

if he's town I don't think he should ever play like this.

Nero Cain · Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:59 pm

VOTE: montosh

Nero Cain · Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:38 pm

Kublai Khan beating his wives since 1230 AD.

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:23 am

In post 1112, DeasVail wrote:Nero saying that town shouldn't play like Roster did

I didn't. I know someone (otter?) asked me if that was about Niko or Roster and it was obviously Niko

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:31 am

although my tinfoil rn is

montosh + roster + ????

Also, Niko is an idiot

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:41 am

like I know no one is gonna sheep me and prob not agree with me and Montosh will brush it off

but looking back at my joke reveal of the scum team

In post 78, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 74, RedFlavor wrote:Jesus show us the mafia please.
rosterfoster
ofrhz
BodhiSmith13

Creature

and scum actually flipping from that list. Kinda makes me think

In post 90, Montosh wrote:
In post 78, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 74, RedFlavor wrote:Jesus show us the mafia please.
rosterfoster
ofrhz
BodhiSmith13
Creature

In post 77, Alchemist21 wrote:I have a Townlean on Nero
GET. OFF. OF. ME. *pushes*
Trying too hard. This is scum. Luckily I'm already voting here.

Also, all these people are town except Creature.
He hasn't posted and is therefore confscum.

was not as much as a joke as he claims.

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:42 am

Also, Montosh seemed to disappear after the heat from that early posting died down.

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:46 am

it's like how players claim scum as scum these days. Could Montosh just have been scum truth-telling here?

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:58 am

In post 1120, Eyes without a face wrote:Wouldn't it have looked better for him to stop at all these people are town?

but then he's not truth-telling.

In post 1120, Eyes without a face wrote:In my view if Montosh is scum then at least one other scum is on that list (makes sense to try to discredit you if that's the case).

I sorta agree but then you aren't getting the novelty of truth-telling.

In post 1120, Eyes without a face wrote:Or he could be just town who had reasons to TR the other 3 and made the joke about Creature's lack of activity and hit the bull's eye.

at least one other person had not yet posted and town reading Roster for 13, 24 and 25 is just bizarre so prob not.

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:59 am

oh, 27 too.

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:43 am

kk-can you please give me your opinion about 1116

nom, how caught up are you?

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:47 am

What are your reads rn? other than jesus

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:54 am

What do you think about 1116

Nero Cain · Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:56 am

I'm not sure I'm interested in a wagon that's reasoning is "my reads are ass-backward"

Nero Cain · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:11 pm

agree on Luv. kinda think nom is scum.

Nero Cain · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:19 pm

In post 1253, ofrhz wrote:Why nom? I kinda liked her interaction with Jesus

that whole "I only have one strong scum read" just looks like scum that's keeping their options open.

Nero Cain · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:37 pm

tbh, i can't really remember anything Vork as said or done lol

Nero Cain · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:42 pm

like montosh is confirmed scum rn b/c I voted him and it didn't count. He has some sort of vote blocker role and that's scummy as shit.

Nero Cain · Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:47 pm

but real talk, would a votblocker like work as a role? Is it a day action that blocks someones role...so I guess it works kinda like a vote thief? Or its like a day doc but protects someone from being voted?

Nero Cain · Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:09 pm

I mean, if you're saying Vork is scum then you are saying that 22 is scum Vork info fishing and that he's tunneling his buddy so make himself look good which I guess isn't impossible. Is that why you are scum reading him or is there more?

Nero Cain · Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:41 pm

Nero Cain · Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:43 pm

cat people......

Nero Cain · Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:50 pm

In post 1272, ofrhz wrote:I think Nero is town ftr

I am but y r u town reading me?

Nero Cain · Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:10 pm

How do you know ofrhz is a she when they list no pronoun?

The paranoia in me says A. I think I often get scum read by people that are unfamiliar with me but I guess ofrhz has some exp with me.

I dunno why you felt the need to jump in. Why?

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:10 am

In post 1291, Montosh wrote:Nero sucks here. And everywhere.

no u

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:14 am

but honestly, you really suck. Your reaction to my fake scum reads list was bad and then going "oh, no it was your reaction that was bad" just seems scummy to me.

Also, I was pushing scum d1 b4 niko gamethrew so neener neener.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:26 am

In post 1292, Montosh wrote:Which do you think is more likely? Me joking based on that or me being scum truth-telling in a joke RVS post?

like I get that you are going for the "it was said during "RVS" so it was obviously a joke." but I think it's plenty plausible that it wasn't a joke and you are just trying to use RVS to write it off. Also, you never voted Creature yesterday so in my mind there's a good chance you are his buddy.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:30 am

it's not that he misses Creature he's just scum being belligerent

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:34 am

In post 1319, nomnomnom wrote:omg nero has a case on montosh i better jump there before more people ask me about my eyes vote!!!1!!

why the fuck are you mocking me?

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:35 am

or not mocking, more like belittling my montosh read

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:02 am

but montosh...

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:04 am

my gut thinks eyes isn't scum. His tone seems different to me. Of course, I misread him anyways so my opinion likely doesn't hold much weight but yeah. Also, Montosh is scummy.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:15 am

effort is not always AI. You're being so black and white with your reasoning.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:22 am

In post 1380, popsofctown wrote:In particular there was this one post I was too lazy to store in notepad as I went along or whatever where he said the same thing was both probably scummy and probably null and that bothered me as showing some distance between what he thought he ought to believe about something and what he was willing to stake his family name on, as town those two should be the same.

I'm not entirely sure what this is about but I think the closest was When I said

In post 529, Nero Cain wrote:I'm fence sitting on HWS. He's lurking which is kinda scummy but is prob ultimately null.

lurking is scummy b/c its a good strategy to do as scum but its ultimately null b/c there are town that lurk as well. Why should I have felt this comes from one alignment instead of the other?

Also counterpoint: town are more likely to be wishy-washy and indecisive b/c they don't know others alignments as where scum are the ones that can make a "decision" since their play is agenda driven.

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:23 am

In post 1386, rosterfoster wrote:Would you want to lynch Pops?

I'd be ok with it.

In post 1386, rosterfoster wrote:I’m cooling on Montosh town.

y?

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:29 am

In post 1390, popsofctown wrote:It's just slightly scummier diction than "He's lurking which is slightly scummy".

but if I left it at that you'd call me out on fence sitting so dammed if I do dammed if I don't?

what did you think of my explanation though?

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:35 am

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=78725

Nero Cain · Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:13 pm

wich one?

Nero Cain · Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:29 am

whats even the case on false jesus?

Nero Cain · Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:45 am

creature voting RF doesn't mean he's likely town?

Nero Cain · Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:36 pm

VOTE: red flava

Nero Cain · Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:19 pm

I didn't mean to hammer but way to go me

Nero Cain · Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:20 pm

what is nako?

Nero Cain · Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:25 pm

asking for a title is for wimps

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:25 pm

You're a champ, solid lolcatting 10/10[/quote]
this seems p scummy to me. voting after the hammer seems like a scumbuddy that's trying to salvage some town cred for not being on to get on earlier.

In post 1540, Alchemist21 wrote:How are you guys coming up with this SK idea? I don’t get it.

so much this.

In post 1557, nomnomnom wrote:I just said that it's likely we have a SK this game given the scum cop flip.

there are scum cops in plenty of games without SKs.

In post 1560, popsofctown wrote:Nero Cain's defense of RedFlavor seems the scummiest of them all.

yes, asking a question is so scummy and its not how I'd react to a scumbuddy going down anyways.

In post 1596, Kirari Momobami wrote:I think I might want to just call montosh town

y?

the traitor/sk talk is really dumb and there's ptob scum in roster/nom

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:33 pm

In post 1560, popsofctown wrote:Especially since no one seems to agree how many scums a large should have lel.

someone has to be really dumb or inexperienced (or just scum) to not think there are exactly 4 scum here.

I'm worried that the SK talk is potential to shade a vig claim.

VOTE: nom

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:04 pm

In post 1610, nomnomnom wrote:1. I never said anything about the scumteam.

that part wasn't about you.

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:00 pm

In post 1616, Jesus Louisus wrote:If there were other scum on there it's between Alch and Nero.

y?

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:53 pm

I was never town reading him and pushing him early on.

In post 207, Nero Cain wrote:If it wasn't clear, I'd also vote Red b/c 147 is some terrible reading or a legit attempt at revisionism

Why is it so hard to believe that I'd be willing to wagon someone I was already scumreading? I mean yes, I didn't mean to hammer as to not cut off discussion until everyone was rdy to end but it's not like I just voted the guy out of the blue or anything.

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:55 pm

remind me who you think are scum?

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:08 pm

Alch is your top scumread and im second behind him? I do seem pretty high up there.

I haven't really looked at names yet but I'm putting some stock into the d1 wagon on creature, the d1 wagon on red and the early d2 wagon (pops and before) all being town and his buddies being on none of them.

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:20 pm

hrmmmm....

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:40 pm

In post 1625, Nero Cain wrote:I haven't really looked at names yet but I'm putting some stock into the d1 wagon on creature, the d1 wagon on red and the early d2 wagon (pops and before) all being town and his buddies being on none of them.

this doesn't really stack up since RF

WAS

sitting on Creature wagon.

but let's just do a thought experiment and say that red sitting on Creature was an outliner. TBF, Red was voting Creature in 1.6 but got off once the wagon was serious in 1.7

In post 593, Not Known 15 wrote:
Creature
(7)
pisskop
,
RedFlavor
,
Vorkuta,Kop,Nero Cain,rosterfoster,Jesus Louisus
,

In post 1531, Not Known 15 wrote:
RedFlavor
(8)
LuckyOtter,Jesus Louisus,popsofctown
,rosterfoster,nomnomnom,Alchemist21,Kublai Khan,
Nero Cain
,

so we are left with

In post 2, Not Known 15 wrote: ofrhz
Alchemist21
DeasVail
nomnomnom
Kublai Khan
Montosh
Kirari Momobami

im kinda town reading all of KK, alchem and deas which would then leave us with

ofrhz
nomnomnom
Montosh
Kirari Momobami

and that

DOES

sound like a good list (at least IMO) to find the last two remaining scum.

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:49 pm

Do you think that there's merit to my logic?

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:01 pm

its only WIFOM if I'm scum and I'm not so it means I'm coming from a place of genuinely attempted town solving. If you mean WIFOM in the sence that some of the ppl that I think are town could be scum then yeah, there's a possibility of that.

I think nom's SK spec or w/e is scummy.

I still don't like how Montosh "joked" that I was scummy and that Creature was scum.

I don't like kirari at all and I think all animae alts should be lynched and permabanned but I also dislike her town reading Montosh and voting for Red yesterday after I hammered.

you can ISO for why I was scum reading ofrhz d1 and I don't remember anything she's done.

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:17 pm

now whats your response to my real reasoning?

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:34 pm

In post 1612, Kirari Momobami wrote:It's kinda hard to imagine a scum motivation on either side there

I mean the guy's reaction to a fake reads list was "you're scum that's"haha just a joke!" trying to hard" and "creature is obvscum" "haha just a joke" "guys it was said in RVS so it was clearly a joke!"

maybe there's a lack of scum motivation but there's also a lack of town motivation. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that his calling "creature obvscum" was intentional WIFOM. And him trying to write off the pressure as an RVS joke was p scummy too.

Also, he's been a useless lurk sack since then so it just seems like he's scum lurking it out.

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:42 pm

In post 1643, Kirari Momobami wrote:Hmm maybe. But if he's the type that's gonna softbus one of his partners at the start of day 1 is that the same personality/disposition of someone that's going to implode if his buddies actually get lynched?

I have no clue what this is.

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:47 pm

tbf, he was a lurksack b4 Creature even died lol. And I don't think one precludes the other. He can't softbus

AND

be a useless lurksack. WTF kinda logic is that?

Nero Cain · Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:48 pm

In post 1645, Kirari Momobami wrote:did I miss part of your thought experiment in 1629? I don't understand why you greened otter

I don't understand how you could miss it.

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:01 am

In post 1650, Kirari Momobami wrote:ehhh I think it's pretty flimsy to green people voting a wagon on scum before there's traction on it.

it's not foil proof, true but there also exists the logic that the ones that are voting scum b4 it looks like it's going to be a thing are town and thats where I'm coming from.

Also, you or deas said he was scum b/c he wasn't being impactful and that's just kinda null b/c there are plenty of useless unimpactful town. I need more meat on it b4 even considering to vote there.

I might ISO him later, IDK.

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:07 am

yes, sk is the only way to explain a second kill. Am I on the road to rome or something?

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:11 am

In post 1654, rosterfoster wrote:Are you seriously saying that scum have a cop just for setup WIFOM

scum have cop and investigation roles all the time without a SK present. This scum cop=SK is

Also, I don't even know why we are talking about this b/c I thought both scum flipped commuters.

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:16 am

ok, yeah, I got it now. deff and SK here then. so like 1 team scum and a SK.

VOTE: montosh

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:16 am

In post 1662, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 0, Not Known 15 wrote:all enemies of the town
I mean, even the sample town card implies SK lol

like I read shit these days.

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:20 am

this really kinda pisses me off since one of the reasons that I was scumreading Niko is b/c I thought his 3 team spec made no sense. And no one really correcting me on that is just bad town play. Me for making a mistake and you guys for not correcting it.

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:36 am

ok, I'll bite. What makes otter the last team scum?

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:46 am

I'm going to agree with you that the alignment cop sorta points to a SK (maybe tratior) Although part of me is also thinking that it could just be standard boilerplate. Either way, I think montosh is a good bet for a team scum.

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:56 am

go eat your breakfast and then I want to see the iso of montosh you said you'd do

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:09 am

what if that montosh/skitter mixup had just nothing to do with why they are scum?

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:23 pm

what an excellent catchup

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:26 pm

Why vote when you aren't caught up?

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:27 pm

Also, bettlejuice much? 2 minutues is a fast time to respond to my criticism

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:30 pm

like you've been sitting here for the last 2 hours and you haven't been giving your thoughts on the tail end of yesterday/today?

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:37 pm

can we kill this guy yet?

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:16 pm

kirari is arguing that 90 doesn't come from scum. I really don't know what others are doing. This game is a prodge fest now.

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:22 pm

tinfoil: montosh is the last team scum and Kirari is the SK that's trying to keep him alive so we hunt team scum and not the sk

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:23 pm

and

In post 1671, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 134, Montosh wrote:Yeah you've got it wrong. I do legit scumread Creature. To be fair, I always scumread Creature a bit.
Hedging on Creature

makes some sense to me

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:43 am

In post 1759, Montosh wrote:I'm here... don't need a catch up? Like what are you on about?

Why do you not need to catch up?

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:49 am

like its an 11:2 right now we can just poe it and win but I think Montosh is just scum and should be lynched sooner rather than later but no one seems to have any interest in him and half of you won't even talk about him so whatever we'll just lynch whomever till you guys wise up.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:02 am

what do you not like about the montosh case and what makes him town?

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:00 am

In post 1785, Alchemist21 wrote:I’d lynch him on compromise.

Weren't you pretty gung-ho about the guy being scum earlier? What made your stance soften?

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:15 pm

In post 1790, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1782, Nero Cain wrote:what do you not like about the montosh case and what makes him town?
Can you link me to the Montosh case? I don’t remember seeing it and I’m at work at the moment so it’s a bit hard for me to find rn.

I think my case on Montosh is piecemeal so maybe later I'll sit down and write it out but basically, I think he makes some sense as a Creature/red buddy. And he's been a useless lurksack since early d1. Like I said, town is so far ahead that we can just rando lynch and this will be a win but I think Mont is scum so ok.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:15 pm

i guess its not foil proof but Nom scum reading eyes and then shooting him doesn't make the most sense to me.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:17 pm

I mean, I guess he could so someone like me would make that exact argument but I'm not in love with the idea that scum nks his fake scumread to discredit himself.

Also, Montosh is scum so....

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:25 pm

legit question: do you think there are two groupscum left or a group scum and an SK?

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:26 pm

In post 1805, Kirari Momobami wrote:oday isn't really an "SK" hunt day.

but aren't you pushing nom as the sk?

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:30 pm

like its better to just lynch montosh so I can move on to someone else in case I'm wrong but I don't really think I am so...

like the guy was scumreading Creature b4 creature even posted and that just seems so much like scum that knew scum would flip scum.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:31 pm

no lol

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:33 pm

In post 1810, Kirari Momobami wrote:Do you think Montosh is groupscum in particular?

I really hate being asked questions that I already answered.

Also, you pushing the SK today makes shit all sense as town.

I think its just a mont/kirari solve

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:34 pm

yes I can, I'm Nero Cain.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:45 pm

In post 134, Montosh wrote:Yeah you've got it wrong.
I do legit scumread Creature.
To be fair, I always scumread Creature a bit.

In post 158, Creature wrote:Oh no I'm depressed

^
creatures first post + scumclaim

of course, Monts next post and built-in defense was

In post 135, Montosh wrote:
THAT WAS NOT SERIOUS

but its just WIFOM and I think it's a legit scumbuddy claim that he's trying to write off as jest.

Also, his overall play is bad. And at the very least, if this is town just lulz claiming scum maybe they'll stop playing like that if we lynch enough of them.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:47 pm

@nom

stop interacting with the scum troll alt and sheep me.