Large Normal 221 - Endgame


Locked
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:41 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

VOTE: RedFlavor
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #128 (isolation #1) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:31 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 115, Nero Cain wrote:IDK, but
In post 90, Montosh wrote:Trying too hard. This is scum. Luckily I'm already voting here.
doesn't really seem like a jokey RVS statement to me
This bit definitely didn't read like a joke. The next bit about Creature being confscum obviously was, which is why I assumed Montosh said he was "semi-serious."
Montosh wrote:You're taking this way too seriously for a page 4 RVS post. It's really weirding me out.
Even if you did intend your entire post to be a joke (which it seems you didn't, not entirely), trying to downplay scrutiny on your post just because it's page 4 and RVS is suspect.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #138 (isolation #2) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:42 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

But were you not being serious when you said you were being semi-serious? I'm seriously confused.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #142 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:52 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 58, Kirari Momobami wrote:I think town!Saudade would have omgus'd my RVS and his non-reaction here makes me kinda think I landed on scum
Is this based on meta?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #144 (isolation #4) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:05 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 141, Montosh wrote:It was like the first thing that caught my attention so I figured I'd keep my vote there until something more substantive came along. But I wasn't planning to build a real case with it.
Yeah the story just isn't adding up for me right now but I'm also very tired so I'll have to try to connect the dots tomorrow. (His post pinged you as scummy, so you called it out and voted him, and it was semi serious because you thought he was scummy, but then he's overreacting because it was a non serious rvs post, and I need a good lie down)

@Kirari ok
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #145 (isolation #5) » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:07 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

Slight correction you were already voting him but felt compelled to point that out, which reads like a re-vote.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #181 (isolation #6) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:27 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 176, Creature wrote:
In post 28, Kublai Khan wrote:Eh. VOTE: Vorkuta

Scummier.
I agree.
Why?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #202 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:40 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 181, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 176, Creature wrote:
In post 28, Kublai Khan wrote:Eh. VOTE: Vorkuta

Scummier.
I agree.
Why?
Also
In post 201, Creature wrote:Montosh is town
Why?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #284 (isolation #8) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:15 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 240, ofrhz wrote:
In post 142, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 58, Kirari Momobami wrote:I think town!Saudade would have omgus'd my RVS and his non-reaction here makes me kinda think I landed on scum
Is this based on meta?
What else would it be based on
I wanted to be sure they were basing this on meta and not, say, some kind of fake tell.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #285 (isolation #9) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:37 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 274, Montosh wrote:The way the Red wagon built up was just not right. And what's with this claim nonsense?

- Swims
- Nero
- pisskop
- *maybe* Red if the wagon is less bad

@LuckyOtter What do you think about Red?
- I honestly didn't love red's initial vote on pisskop. Just pings me as the scum thing to do to jump on the self vote right away like that. (Side note: Vork voted here as well, but showed some self-awareness about it that seemed more towny to me)
- Some fluffy posts, even when things start to move along a little (with the exception of saying he doesn't see why NC's random list is getting negative attention, which I can agree with)
- Early wagons are good and didn't/don't see a need to drop this one yet until I can do some more sorting
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #315 (isolation #10) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:02 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Eh. We still have 12 days til deadline and a couple people to join the game yet.
In post 229, Kublai Khan wrote:Yeah, I'm hip to be square.

VOTE: RedFlavor

He's in my top 4.
Who else is in your top 4?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #316 (isolation #11) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:17 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Speaking of late joiners, comparing Kop to EvilDeanius, Kop at least attempted to post something relevant. EvilDeanius entered with a joke statement, which is fine, but then an hour later has nothing to contribute other than explaining his joke post. He's going on my watchlist.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #318 (isolation #12) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:28 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

@Creature do you have any reads of Red or pisskop?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #389 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:02 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 321, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 315, LuckyOtter wrote:Eh. We still have 12 days til deadline and a couple people to join the game yet.
In post 229, Kublai Khan wrote:Yeah, I'm hip to be square.

VOTE: RedFlavor

He's in my top 4.
Who else is in your top 4?
It's early, but..

Kirari Momobami
- Silly fakeclaims as first post
- Over-meta
RedFlavour
- Jumping on self-voter bandwagon in second post
- Ignored mason claim.
- 147 - states confusion over NC's list. But doesn't vote for me until ater an exchange with pisskop where he votes RedFlavor. Feels like RedFlavor's KK vote is more distraction/deflection.
Montosh
- Ignored mason claim.
- Anti town-tells
- Anti RedFlavor-wagon for the sake of being against a wagon.
Vorkuta
- Jumping on self-voter bandwagon
- Weird .
- Weird .

Outskirts:
rosterfoster
- Just don't understand his reasoning for doing things.
EvilDeanius
- Totally Beetlejuiced in with fluff.
Kirari is the weakest read here imo. I don't know how a silly fakeclaim is AI at all, and I'm not sure what you're seeing that you're calling "over-meta"

I agree with M that ignoring the mason claim is NAI. If anything ignoring fakeclaims and getting back to business is slightly town-indicative

I'm not seeing what is particularly weird about Vorkuta's posts. I don't see Red's and Vork's joining the pisskop wagon as the same.

I agree on EvilDeanius. If we're going to be voting lurkers I'd rather go here right now over HWS
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #390 (isolation #14) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:07 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Actually let's just do that VOTE: EvilDeanius
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #395 (isolation #15) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:04 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 391, rosterfoster wrote:
In post 389, LuckyOtter wrote:I'm not seeing what is particularly weird about Vorkuta's posts. I don't see Red's and Vork's joining the pisskop wagon as the same.
Vork kind of has an unconventional posting style, so people tend to scumread that.

ED is indeed a possible, but the case on swims is more than just lurking, while I don’t really see one of ED?
I would say the same thing about HWS' posting style. I played with him as town and he has a very edited posting style that can read fake.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #454 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:36 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 434, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 396, pisskop wrote:2 posts.

Youre going to vote HWS over 2 posts?
I wouldn't mind switching my vote over to you. It's your call. I just can't decide if you are defending your partner or white knighting.
Your last statement gives two scenarios, both of which have pisskop as scum and only one of which has HWS as scum. So why not just vote pisskop here?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #456 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:40 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Not immediately. Let him answer the question please
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #459 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:50 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Is there a way he could have responded that would have made you not vote him?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #465 (isolation #19) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:11 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 461, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 459, LuckyOtter wrote:Is there a way he could have responded that would have made you not vote him?
Probably, I'm open to all possibilities.
The question you asked and the lead-up to it just feel like you were setting him up for a bad response (not self-vote bad but still)

The self-vote is a shit move though. If you're town you've just given scum an easy vote that they don't really need to justify. Do you have a record of doing this as town? Also, why are you still voting yourself?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #477 (isolation #20) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:42 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 474, pisskop wrote:Nah. It was a pressure post gone wrong.

Code: Select all

[v]piss[/v]
Ok. I didn't get that that was what you're trying to do. I buy it
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #478 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:47 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

@Montosh I haven't seen enough from HWS to say for sure, but from the couple of posts so far, yes. Similar enough that I don't want to vote him.

ED on the other hand just pops in with literally no substance. So, easy vote.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #548 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:19 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

Does creature just play lynchbait?

Creature are you still scumreading vork? Thoughts on anyone else?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #551 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:26 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

I'm thinking ED just popped in and flaked :/

HWS is starting to look less like the town version I remember. Not in terms of style but in content. He was much more analytical in that game and he's being kinda lazy here. I was expecting him to step it up. So sure.

VOTE: HWS
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #654 (isolation #24) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:50 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Hey folks, I'm V/LA for a few days, but will try to catch up in the evenings when I've got time.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1072 (isolation #25) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:00 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Trying to get caught up. I'm really not liking the flashwagon on Jesus yesterday because of his "do you have a gun" comment. Like, did you all
really
think that was rolefishing? @LUV, roster, redflavor.

I've mostly been TRing Kublai but I don't like his asking roster why he's moving his vote around. Votehopping D1 is obviously a thing and a lot of people were doing it in this game especially. Like, did you see roster doing it
more
than others, or more opportunistically than others? If you followed up on this I'm not seeing it.

I was away during all of Niko's existence here, so going to slog through that now.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1087 (isolation #26) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:54 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1056, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1035, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Niko[/votr]
In post 1036, rosterfoster wrote:VOTE: Niko
Why the scramble?
Why would scum!Roster be scrambling even? Niko was the obvious lynch by that time. Frankly any hammer here is NAI.

On that note,
In post 1040, rosterfoster wrote:I never hammer town Niko as scum here though.
I really see no reason why not. There was really no danger of getting pushback for hammering that slot, whereas there might be suspicion for resisting the wagon (and in fact there was, since Kublai was pressuring ppl to take a stance on Niko and accused Deas of shifting to me to land on a safe spot)
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1090 (isolation #27) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:11 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1038, Nero Cain wrote:if he's town I don't think he should ever play like this.
Wait, was this directed at Roster or at Niko? I interpreted Niko.

If this was referencing Roster I'd like Nero to expand on it.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1096 (isolation #28) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:38 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1091, RedFlavor wrote:
In post 1072, LuckyOtter wrote:Trying to get caught up. I'm really not liking the flashwagon on Jesus yesterday because of his "do you have a gun" comment. Like, did you all
really
think that was rolefishing? @LUV, roster, redflavor.

I've mostly been TRing Kublai but I don't like his asking roster why he's moving his vote around. Votehopping D1 is obviously a thing and a lot of people were doing it in this game especially. Like, did you see roster doing it
more
than others, or more opportunistically than others? If you followed up on this I'm not seeing it.

I was away during all of Niko's existence here, so going to slog through that now.
Idk I didn't vote for that
VOTE: Jesus Louisus
But you quoted LUV's vote when you voted, which I interpret as agreeing with him that Jesus' gun post was scummy, and I'm not seeing that. So what were/are you voting him for?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1104 (isolation #29) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:42 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1097, RedFlavor wrote:No I voted because that wagon was becoming a thing.
That being said, I didn't read the game but I might read this tomorrow because it is possible.
But you voted him before, again quoting others, so you must have some opinion of him that you can articulate.

Reading the game would be a great idea, yes.

VOTE: redflavor
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1105 (isolation #30) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:09 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1103, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1072, LuckyOtter wrote:Trying to get caught up. I'm really not liking the flashwagon on Jesus yesterday because of his "do you have a gun" comment. Like, did you all really think that was rolefishing? @LUV, roster, redflavor.
It could be role-fishing. Creature was role-fishing early on. What town reason does he have to ask?
His comment read as a joke to me and the jumping on him seems suspect.
In post 1072, LuckyOtter wrote:I've mostly been TRing Kublai but I don't like his asking roster why he's moving his vote around. Votehopping D1 is obviously a thing and a lot of people were doing it in this game especially. Like, did you see roster doing it more than others, or more opportunistically than others? If you followed up on this I'm not seeing it.
Yes, he seemed to be doing it more than others. It's my general opinion that those who vote-hop weaken the pressure their vote imparts. In this case, nobody felt threatened or pressured by a rosterfoster vote, because he'll probably move it anyways. Flippant voters tend to be flippant because they have other ways to remove playes (NK) and a wide spread of votes keeps their association tells down. It's personality dependent of course, but I've never played with rosterfoster and don't know him.
I mean at this point we're talking ideal strategy vs. scum intention. I don't really agree that votehopping D1 is that detrimental to voting power (I'd argue the opposite, really), and I don't see scum more likely to do it than town. It's not any better a strategy at keeping associatives down as, say, keeping a vote on just one or two people. Surface-level, the indecisiveness might look bad, but I'm not convinced it's more scum-telling than overconfidence.

What I'm getting at is that roster is feeling like lynchbait and that worries me, about your slot in particular.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1107 (isolation #31) » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:08 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1106, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1105, LuckyOtter wrote:What I'm getting at is that roster is feeling like lynchbait and that worries me, about your slot in particular.
Why? I'm not after rosterfoster. He's on the townside of my reads.
You're still implying there might be something scummy about his voting pattern, though. Otherwise, why make the 'scramble' comment at all? Was his response to that sufficient for you?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1132 (isolation #32) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:10 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1108, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1107, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1106, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1105, LuckyOtter wrote:What I'm getting at is that roster is feeling like lynchbait and that worries me, about your slot in particular.
Why? I'm not after rosterfoster. He's on the townside of my reads.
You're still implying there might be something scummy about his voting pattern, though. Otherwise, why make the 'scramble' comment at all? Was his response to that sufficient for you?
Neat. You ask me why I ask questions. I respond with the reason behind asking it (generally because there could be a scummy explanation), and you start accusing me of "still implying there might be something scummy".

Are you going to ask me if I've stopping beating my wife next?
Lol. I'm trying to figure out your intent behind the question and what you intend to do with the information. It's not lining up.

1. You ask roster why he's moving his vote around so much, and you ask him if he's scrambling (which if you want to talk about loaded questions, there you have one)
2. I say I don't really like this line of questioning because of how common votehopping is D1, but I ask you if you think roster's votehopping is more likely to come from scum than town.
3.
You say that you do, but that you're also townleaning him
. This is where I'm confused about what you're trying to accomplish here. Your questioning and reasoning for those questions imply you think he might be scum, but you're still townleaning him, and I'm not seeing how you've reconciled that. I even gave you a possible out here ("Was his response to that sufficient for you?") but instead you get defensive.

And it's weird because given your last post I'd think you would see where I was going with this.

It's a bit aggravating because otherwise I agree with a lot of your reads and approaches this game.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1140 (isolation #33) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:32 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1112, DeasVail wrote:And now LuckyOtter.

I find it interesting that he commented on things during his catch-up, but never made any mention of my vote on him while he was V/LA.

Because I'm pretty sure my reaction would have been something along the lines of:

"DID YOU THINK YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH VOTING ME WHILE I WAS V/LA HUH!? HOW OPPORTUNISTIC!"

Okay that might be a bit of an exaggeration, but seriously. I kind of expect people to be at least a little bit self-consumed. After all, just look at my self-consumed concerns about Kublai!

Hey, I don't expect everyone to be exactly like me, but I find it odd that Otter talked about Jesus' gun comment, Nero saying that town shouldn't play like Roster did, and Kublai having an issue with roster moving his vote around (pretty innocuous things tbh) but not have anything to say about the big glaring elephant in the room of me voting for him. With the "commenting on things of interest to him" catch-up style, it seems unnatural that he didn't comment on that.

--

I also am generally underwhelmed by Lil Uzi Vert.
I might have had that reaction if your vote looked obviously opportunistic to me, but it doesn't. If anything, I'd agree with Kublai that it sort of looks like avoiding the Niko wagon, but I don't have a substantive reason to believe that is more likely the case.

Are you trying to bait a OMGUS from me, though? You didn't really give me anything in particular to respond to as far as I remembered after catching up. But let's look.
In post 940, DeasVail wrote:
In post 939, Niko wrote:If Eyes flips red (what happens 29 out of 30 times), I would lynch LuckyOtter next by the way.
I’ve just gotten to work and so I don’t have any more time after this, but I was actually thinking...

VOTE: LuckyOtter [...]
But if I had the choice of lynching anyone in this game right now it would be LuckyOtter and so that’s where I’m going. I know that they’re V/LA but every time reading a post of theirs when catching up it just felt... empty. There were questions askedbut I couldn’t work out why or for what purpose. There seemed to be commentary here and there but not much real assertion of opinion anywhere. I probably could explain this better if I had more time and I’ll check in later today if I can but this is where I’m at right now.
So like, what am I supposed to do with that? You're scumreading me because you don't like my style. I'm pretty used to that. But I can't respond to it, except that I'd disagree that I don't give my opinion anywhere. I'm just not as forceful about them as others on here. Other than that, I've got nothing to respond to here
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1141 (isolation #34) » Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:34 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

@Mod
I'm voting RedFlavor
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1210 (isolation #35) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:10 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1198, Montosh wrote:
Otter ISO:

Otter I'd be down if you could explore a little bit more what about HWS' posting made you change your mind on them?
Sure. Here's the game I played with him: viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76409
He was townie here. He was also IC which may have contributed to his stilted style, but you can see why I didn't scumread him right away. The Hmmm tell just isn't a thing for him. But after that, in the present game, he just totally disengages. In my previous game with him, he was pushing and prodding very methodically. The only reason I'm not hard voting that slot right now is because he replaced out, and because the previous game was a very different context. There's enough reason to doubt that his play here is scum indicative.
Your style this game seems very "react to other people's reads" over "put out my own for other's to react to". Which is fine. I do the same. Would you say that's generally your playstyle?
I'd say that's accurate early on. I like to do most of my own sorting in the background at first, but I'll put my sorting list out soon once I feel fairly confident in it. With this many people it's taking me longer.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1212 (isolation #36) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:35 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1150, Eyes without a face wrote:Both RedFlavor and Vorkuta have been early on the Creature wagon and not on Niko, so I don't think they're scum with Creature.
If there's scum on the Creature wagon, wouldn't they be more likely to be earlier on it? Red and vork were votes 2 and 3, not putting creature in any real danger. The second wave was Kop(Niko), Nero, Roster, Jesus. I just don't see scum doing that when Creature is not even obviously the lynch.

Now, Roster immediately unvotes, as does Red after Alchemist joins. So I'm still good with Red as scum here. Roster is unclear. I'm good with Alchemist and Nero as town, and leaning town on Jesus.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1248 (isolation #37) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:52 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1216, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1105, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1103, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 1072, LuckyOtter wrote:Trying to get caught up. I'm really not liking the flashwagon on Jesus yesterday because of his "do you have a gun" comment. Like, did you all really think that was rolefishing? @LUV, roster, redflavor.
It could be role-fishing. Creature was role-fishing early on. What town reason does he have to ask?
His comment read as a joke to me and the jumping on him seems suspect.
It evidently wasn’t a joke
Yeah :/ I honestly don't know what to make of him anymore. But his position on the creature wagon seems like not something a scumbuddy would likely do.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1249 (isolation #38) » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:59 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1245, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 1226, Eyes without a face wrote:Scum Creature does not respond well to pressure, so I don't think his partners would start a wagon on him unless it was meant to be a full bus
What if the scum buddies didn’t know that about creature?
Also, would just a couple votes be enough to make creature implode? Doesn't look like it. He kept playing right along (not, like, well, but he didn't have a meltdown)

Not at all on board with eyes' analysis of the creature wagon.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1404 (isolation #39) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:09 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

Dont lynch Jesus. He nice, the Jesus.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1406 (isolation #40) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:23 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

Either. Actually I straight up TR you and am kinda town lean to null on JL. This is mostly a gut read and because if the rolefishing thing is one of the main points against him I just don't see it as a great argument, and I'm not thrilled about Nom pushing it and then switching to eyes anyway. I might just be paranoid about nom though.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1407 (isolation #41) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:25 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

I'll get around to looking over eyes. And I think I'll be done doing an initial sort soon.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1408 (isolation #42) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:34 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

Just looking at this page alone though, I'd vote eyes over jesus. 1400 is not even a good reason to scumread someone. 1401 is entirely speculation. 1402, scumreads JL for changing his read between almost 200 posts. Honestly I'll have to look at that tomorrow when I've got time. Maybe he's got something there if it really doesn't line up but intuition says that's plenty of time to change a read this early on.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1703 (isolation #43) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:03 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

Hi folks. Recovering from 4th holiday. Hoping to post something of substance tonight
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1712 (isolation #44) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:02 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1639, DeasVail wrote:
In post 1565, Kirari Momobami wrote:DeasVail -- between the DV/LO 1v1 I think I'd do LO first since I liked DV's reads early game, but that feeling has waned a bit. I don't like 708 as much as I did on day 1 since he paired me with creature which is the kind of "let's put my scum townread with a town in case I flip so it's not obvious" thing you see from scum a lot, also so much of the iso is irt LO I'm kinda... hmm
oh by the way for what it's worth the reason I paired you with Creature was because you had both claimed/soft-claimed stuff and my plan was to wait for further info before considering either of you as scum.

--

As for where I'm at from a quick glance through,

Town: Pops, Kublai, roster, Alch
Less Town: Nero Cain, Kirari, ofrhz
Less Scum: Montosh, nomnom, Jesus
Scum: Vorkuta, Otter

My first thought is that I kinda townread the twilight posting from Kirari and ofrhz?
In the case of Kirari, the vote on Red after he was obviously hammered is pretty weird from scum and seems more jokey than anything else.
And with ofrhz, my expectation is that she would realise her buddy was hammered and avoid doing some weird waffly pseudo-defense.
Buttt I'm going to think these through more when I'm not about to sleep because my usual approach to townreading people has not really held up so far here.

I do generally disagree with the blanket wagon clearing also. I think that the way that someone votes a person (and the situation) can be pretty town-indicative, but the Creature wagon in particular is not something I believe scum would have necessarily avoided. In particular my Vorkuta concern is that they were cheerleading that wagon without actually contributing to it.

I'll be giving this more thought tomorrow morning.
Why is Jesus so low on your list? Red threw around some useless votes this game including on Creature but seemed pretty intent on getting Jesus lynched.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1713 (isolation #45) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:10 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

Is the skitter thing the only reason people are wanting to clear Montosh? I can see scum faking that.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1718 (isolation #46) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:35 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 854, Not Known 15 wrote:
Vote Count 1.9
Kop
Niko(5)Kirari Momobami,Eyes without a face,ofrhz,Nero Cain,Kublai Khan,

Vorkuta(4)Montosh,pisskop,Niko,RedFlavor,

Creature(3)Vorkuta,Jesus Louisus,Alchemist21,

HeWhoSwims(2)LuckyOtter,rosterfoster,

Jesus Louisus(1)Lil Uzi Vert,

Not Voting(1)DeasVail,

Nero Cain(1)HeWhoSwims,

RedFlavor(1)Creature,

Saudade
Lil Uzi Vert(0)

EvilDeanius
Eyes without a face(0)

rosterfoster(0)

pisskop(0)

Montosh(0)

LuckyOtter(0)

ofrhz(0)

Alchemist21(0)

BodhiSmith13
DeasVail(0)

Kublai Khan(0)

Kirari Momobami(0)

No Lynch(0)

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-06-26 13:21:00)
As the Niko wagon is growing here, Red is voting Vork, which makes me pretty confident they are not scum together. I'd also bet that there's already scum on the Niko wagon at this point and Red is trying to sit elsewhere. This actually makes me think he's not scum with Montosh.

I'm looking at either Kirari or ofrhz. Kublai is still kinda null for me and Nero is solid town.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1719 (isolation #47) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:37 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1720 (isolation #48) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:43 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1174, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 194, Creature wrote:VOTE: Vorkuta
In post 606, Creature wrote:VOTE: HWS
In post 713, Creature wrote:VOTE: RedFlavor
Creature pretty much always does some low-grade bussing/distancing day 1 as scum right?

These all feel pretty low-impact to me, even if the HWS vote got some traction

@nomnom what do you think of vork and red?
Really the only thing that looks like it might not be Kirari. This doesn't really put Red in that much danger but it's drawing unnecessary attention to a slot that is not going to benefit from having attention drawn to it.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1724 (isolation #49) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:55 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1721, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1719, LuckyOtter wrote:If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?
why would he?
Keep pressure away from Creature
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1729 (isolation #50) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:00 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1722, popsofctown wrote:
In post 1719, LuckyOtter wrote:If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?
Your question is backwards. If scum!Montosh part of the 5 votes then it's more likely that Nikomislynch is at risk of not truly occurring because a high number of mistaken townies is needed. Since scum!Montosh actually wasn't part of the five votes it is more likely that RedFlavor could keep his hands clean of the mislynch whilst the mislynch still occurs.
Really not following you here.

At any rate, in a scum!Montosh world, why would Red join him on Vork to create a competing wagon with Niko, when Creature still has some votes. That play doesn't make sense to me.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1733 (isolation #51) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:07 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1726, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1724, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1721, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1719, LuckyOtter wrote:If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?
why would he?
Keep pressure away from Creature
After niko claimed scum I think creature was under no pressure?
But not everyone was sold that that was worth scumreading. I don't think the niko lynch was a given
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1734 (isolation #52) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:09 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 676, Eyes without a face wrote:
In post 661, Niko wrote:also, what a coincidence! i ended up rolling mafia in my first mafia game!
I dunno what to make of this. While I could see it coming from a trolling town; the last 2 times this happened in games I spectated they both flipped scum (the last one was Almost50, the older one was Firebringer iirc)
Like right here. Immediate resistance to scumreading Niko
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1736 (isolation #53) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:10 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 682, Nero Cain wrote:niko is town probs but Jesus
And here. I think there was plenty reason to want to push on Niko and keep the focus there, rather than let the focus shift back to Creature once the novelty wore off
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1741 (isolation #54) » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:17 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

@Kirari why risk it, though? Why not just stick a vote on Niko if it's such an easy vote to make? I'm saying scum
did
do that and Red didn't want to join his buddy.

Following my thoughts on this one. I'm guessing orfhz over Hirari.

VOTE: ofrhz
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #1909 (isolation #55) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:51 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Do we take that to mean you're willing to hammer? You haven't actually said much if anything about him since D1
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2010 (isolation #56) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:50 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

VOTE: ofrhz

Still good with this or kirari, though mechanically ofr still makes more sense
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2012 (isolation #57) » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:56 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

Looking at voting patterns. Mechanically is maybe not the right word
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2179 (isolation #58) » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:48 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

As far as I can tell the case against me is based on really weak speculation. Like, most of Kirari's post is "I can see how this interaction could be svs," but isn't much more substantive than that.

I'm running out of steam. Scum in ofrhz, kirari, DV in that order.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2187 (isolation #59) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:57 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2186, DeasVail wrote:Otter, if you were town I would expect you to be more concerned about the fact that you are town and there is a wagon growing on you, rather than the apparent weakness of the case on you?
That is obviously part of the concern. I wouldn't care about one weak case against me if nobody was listening to it. Do you not remember me not caring about your vote against me some days ago?

@ofrhz I'm never a high post count person. But I've tried through my posts to either push somewhere or clarify my positions. Don't try to paint me as not having done anything. There are so many ppl on this site that do nearly nothing but post fluff or lurk and post a one liner and everyone's just fine with it. That's where my frustration is coming from.

Concerning nom. They've been fine today. Maybe a sk candidate, which could possibly explain hws' behavior. I don't see nom as group scum.

In my opinion VCA is a perfectly good reason to want to vote you. The fact that you're trying to downplay makes me happier to vote here.

@kirari I'm not going to town case myself for you. I want you to come up with a better case for me as scum.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2189 (isolation #60) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:18 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I don't mean in this game, I mean in general, and also don't confuse post quantity with quality.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2190 (isolation #61) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:20 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Actually, yes, this game too. Red made lots of posts that were all empty. Creature posted basically nothing of substance. And it was not easy to get rid of either of them
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2192 (isolation #62) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:45 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 386, ofrhz wrote:
In post 383, RedFlavor wrote:VOTE: Creature
Why?
@ Kirari, you are scumreading me for a very similar post to this, saying it looks svs to you. How is the above post different?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2193 (isolation #63) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:02 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1286, ofrhz wrote:I straight up townread Eyes, nom, and red

Lucky is meh mainly because their posts are a chore to get through
1. When did your read on nom change? Was it after nom started scumreading you?
2. The above doesn't jibe with what you've just said about me
In post 2184, ofrhz wrote:I'm also kinda amused by Otter saying he's running out of steam when he's barely done anything all game
You're blatantly discrediting me without actually commenting on any of the substance of my posts.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2194 (isolation #64) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:07 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1748, ofrhz wrote:I still think otter is more towny than not though he is going down the rabbit hole of “scum would do this”
And when did your read of me change? After I started scumreading you? Because I see literally zero progression between this and
In post 2036, ofrhz wrote:Probably prefer to lynch otter, vork, then deas

I should put more effort in this game though. Soon TM

(Over the weekend)
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2195 (isolation #65) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:16 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

And that's all the fucks I have to give today, and probably all weekend. I have a big deadline today and I'm hosting an exchange student which is fun but exhausting, so I don't foresee myself being able to do much more than check in and maybe respond to something if the people scumreading me want to give me something to respond to.

Just one more thing: @nom why are you townreading DV? If you gave a reason earlier can you quote it for me? Please and thanks. I don't think he makes sense as groupscum but maybe SK? His tone and poking at me are starting to wear on me.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2197 (isolation #66) » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:30 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Yeah ok. I think I'm just irritated.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2296 (isolation #67) » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:35 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I'm at L-2.

DV your questions are weird. I'm more annoyed by you now than before because now there's a wagon on me, and I don't see a good reason for it.

Just because creature and red died early doesn't mean it was easy to make that happen. Like, holy shit this is a weird thing for you to say. The creature wagon fizzled out and he had to get NKd to die, and there was a ton of resistance to voting Red.

I know of has things directed at me and will address them when I can
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2348 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:43 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I'm VT
In post 2331, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2323, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2320, ofrhz wrote:Nom, do you think Otter should be townreading you right now?
That's an odd question. I don't really think about how people should be reading me honestly. Can I ask why you're asking this?
I would suspect Otter to be more suspicious of you generally because he lost to scum!you in Micro 871. I would expect him to have more concrete reasons to be townreading you. I think his progression on you this game hasn't been entirely clear and wanted to know what you thought of it.
I believe I already said I'm very paranoid about nom now, and that hasn't changed. I also said I could potentially see nom as SK, although honestly I haven't thought that through entirely. Purely tone-wise, there were a few moments from nom that pinged a bit fake to me, in a similar way as in the micro game, but overall nom just doesn't feel as *in control* as in the micro. If nom were groupscum and rolled scum with creature and red, I would think nom would be playing more confidently right now. Some of the game-solvey set-up spec fits in here, but I don't think it's quite the same.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2349 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:45 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2292, Jesus Louisus wrote:Can we lynch between nero and pops?

That feels like scum to me.
I don't see either of these, honestly.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2350 (isolation #70) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:55 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2198, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2187, LuckyOtter wrote:@ofrhz I'm never a high post count person. But I've tried through my posts to either push somewhere or clarify my positions. Don't try to paint me as not having done anything. There are so many ppl on this site that do nearly nothing but post fluff or lurk and post a one liner and everyone's just fine with it. That's where my frustration is coming from.
Would you say that you've been more disengaged from this game than your usual towngame?

I know you're not a high post count person, but comparing to your recent towngames, you seem slightly less engaged and less aggressive. Your post count is lower than usual
Again I think post count is a bad metric, but yeah I've been less engaged here. I think if I had rolled anything other than VT I'd have taken this more seriously. I've tried to engage when I can in small bursts. I've tried to make it at least somewhat meaningful, then I get people like you saying well gee he just doesn't have that many posts. So then it's like why bother. Maybe I'll just make a NM-style alt next time I play.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2351 (isolation #71) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:59 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2200, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2193, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1286, ofrhz wrote:I straight up townread Eyes, nom, and red

Lucky is meh mainly because their posts are a chore to get through
2. The above doesn't jibe with what you've just said about me
What do you mean?
You also said I've barely done anything all game. So are my posts a chore or empty? Or if you think my posts are fluff you should explain better why
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2356 (isolation #72) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:05 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2202, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2194, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 1748, ofrhz wrote:I still think otter is more towny than not though he is going down the rabbit hole of “scum would do this”
And when did your read of me change? After I started scumreading you? Because I see literally zero progression between this and
In post 2036, ofrhz wrote:Probably prefer to lynch otter, vork, then deas

I should put more effort in this game though. Soon TM

(Over the weekend)
Again, if you were actually reading my posts to determine my alignment, I feel like you would've realized that 2036 is in direct reply to where Kirari asks me to list which of you, Vork, and DV I prefer to lynch

I said you were more towny than not but on balance I don't think you're townier than either Vork or DV
I know that you were responding to Kirari, but what I'm saying is that I don't see any progression of me going from "more towny" in 1748 to first in line in your scum list in 2036, looking through your ISO. Don't accuse me of not reading your posts.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2358 (isolation #73) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:10 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2354, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2348, LuckyOtter wrote:I'm VT
In post 2331, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2323, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 2320, ofrhz wrote:Nom, do you think Otter should be townreading you right now?
That's an odd question. I don't really think about how people should be reading me honestly. Can I ask why you're asking this?
I would suspect Otter to be more suspicious of you generally because he lost to scum!you in Micro 871. I would expect him to have more concrete reasons to be townreading you. I think his progression on you this game hasn't been entirely clear and wanted to know what you thought of it.
I believe I already said I'm very paranoid about nom now, and that hasn't changed. I also said I could potentially see nom as SK, although honestly I haven't thought that through entirely. Purely tone-wise, there were a few moments from nom that pinged a bit fake to me, in a similar way as in the micro game, but overall nom just doesn't feel as *in control* as in the micro. If nom were groupscum and rolled scum with creature and red, I would think nom would be playing more confidently right now. Some of the game-solvey set-up spec fits in here, but I don't think it's quite the same.
You said you could see nom as SK but not groupscum

I feel like that’s akin to saying you townread nom, since we have kk saying there’s a vig

Unless you meant you think nom can be traitor?
I honestly got lost in the set-up spec discussion. Maybe traitor. I'd have to sift through and see if it makes sense and that's not happening today unless nom is really the only other lynch option.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2359 (isolation #74) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:11 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2357, ofrhz wrote:That wasn’t a scum list? That was me listing the three people in the lynch order I prefer

I think both vork and dv are townier than you. Idk how I could possibly explain this better
Ugh. Ok. That's fair
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2360 (isolation #75) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:13 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2326, nomnomnom wrote:I'd like to also say that you have pushed me both as a SK and a traitor even though these two roles would approach the game radically differently so I can say with confidence that yes, you are reaching and I have trouble discerning if you are a bad townie or a traitor if KK isn't lying.
Can you say more about how the approaches would be different? There's a sort of independence to both, no?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2361 (isolation #76) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:21 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2052, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2048, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 2039, ofrhz wrote:I think she could be groupscum because I can see how her vote on rf was a bus

I uhhh didn’t get the sk argument
can you expand on this because if nom can be groupscum in addition to SK I'd definitely want to go there today
It was mostly that she shaded Red but never actually pushed there until the EOD wagon

Also I feel like scum would’ve detected their partner going down and jumped on for town cred, so I was looking at the rf wagon. Everyone else on that wagon is more town
Am I missing something or is this the bulk of your scum!nom case?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2364 (isolation #77) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:55 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I guess I massively misunderstood what a traitor is.

Nom makes less sense as traitor as say, Vork or DV, since they both avoided the Red lynch and nom didn't.

If the object of the traitor is to signal themselves to the scumteam, Vork makes more sense than DV. DV plays too try-hard to make sense in this role, and his play doesn't make sense to me as groupscum either.

Vork traitor might make sense. His play's been different here and he's drawn attention to it. He might actually think I'm scum right here and is trying to signal me/move the wagon elsewhere.

Current guess is ofrhz groupscum, Vork traitor, assuming that's the setup.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2368 (isolation #78) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:16 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2365, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2364, LuckyOtter wrote:Vork traitor might make sense. His play's been different here and he's drawn attention to it. He might actually think I'm scum right here and is trying to signal me/move the wagon elsewhere.
Shouldn't traitors know who groupscum are?
Ok, in a normal, yes. So I don't know what he's doing vis a vis me (maybe you're just being nice, Vork, appreciated if so), but the traitor still needs to signal their status to the groupscum. I still don't see DV or nom in this role.

Intuitively, I just imagined "traitor" was some variant of a SK.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2372 (isolation #79) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:25 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I obviously haven't thought this through, it just seems more likely from VCA. But if I look back at earlier posts I feel like there's some possible communication going on with Creature.
In post 406, Vorkuta wrote:Right
Montosh probably has a naturally scummy playstyle for which I'm willing to give him a bit of leeway- not my pref. D1.

@LUV
My Creature vote is because
-Creature is due to roll scum against me some time soon
-I rely quite a bit on others telling me that "this is a scum!creature post" because apparently he's obvious as either alignment. Hopefully with pressure he obv!somethings and we can move on.
-Look at his ISO and tell me you don't want to roll your eyes at him
In post 408, Vorkuta wrote:He plays scum very seriously when it's time to be serious and not seriously whenever the opportunity to troll
or
"8/10, best scum teammate (out of 3) I've ever had"
-Vork
At any rate, I'm not really interested in traitor-hunting until groupscum is caught and we know for sure we're dealing with a traitor.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2389 (isolation #80) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:03 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

@Kirari. Like I said, I've been most interested in finding the last groupscum. It seems to me the easiest approach until we have more information about what roles are out there. I've largely ignored the setup spec discussion since there have been so many possibilities thrown out, and no consensus has really emerged, even concerning the traitor. The only real consensus is that there is most likely one normal groupscum left, and I feel much better looking for that, so that's what I'm trying to do. If/when I have to look for another element, I'll do it when I have more info. Until then it's all speculation to me and it makes my head spin.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2390 (isolation #81) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:05 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2385, Kirari Momobami wrote:I do admit I am not sure otter has the disposition to try to fake a townslip to dodge a lynch as scum

But I also am kinda blown away by him missing 4 pages worth of posts discussing traitors in this game... That's 4% of the entire game he has not understood, basically all of it in the last 10 days
Like, convince me that all that setup spec is worth my time reading right now. It feels like a distraction from hunting groupscum, which seems like a better priority.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2406 (isolation #82) » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:19 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2402, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2390, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 2385, Kirari Momobami wrote:I do admit I am not sure otter has the disposition to try to fake a townslip to dodge a lynch as scum

But I also am kinda blown away by him missing 4 pages worth of posts discussing traitors in this game... That's 4% of the entire game he has not understood, basically all of it in the last 10 days
Like, convince me that all that setup spec is worth my time reading right now. It feels like a distraction from hunting groupscum, which seems like a better priority.
Do you think nom and kirari are tvt?
It seems possible. I'm not convinced the setup spec is an intentional distraction, if that's what you're getting at. I just feel at this stage it's a rabbit hole not worth going too far down.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2588 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:38 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2572, Kublai Khan wrote:Nevermind. Got a bust of energy and checked myself.

LuckyOtter was at L-1 for about 26 hours-ish until he checked in and claimed. ofrhz posted during that time and directly after the claim with scum-read on LuckyOtter, but no vote. So that's a point in the town column. It's circumstantial and weak, yeah, but he's not being opportunistic.

Yeah, I really don't like either major wagon. I'd rather pull a 180 and do a hardcourt press against DeasVail.

VOTE: DeasVail
Sure, with scum at such a disadvantage it's risky for scum!of not to hammer since she's next in line if my wagon falls apart.

On the other hand, there's a lot of resistance to her lynch, so she could be very happy to let the day drag on. Letting kirari vs. nom play out would make the risk of not hammering worth it.

I also think it likely that one scum is on my wagon already and the other doesn't want to hammer, so a hesitant scum!of doesn't seem impossible here.

I continue to think Jesus is town. Jesus was also hesitant around my hammer, which I think scum!Jesus only does if there's already scum on my wagon. But now, he's pushing for people on my wagon, so this doesn't seem likely.

Of those on my wagon at L-1, Kirari and DV have been pushing me the hardest, and continue to do so. I still think DV is less likely to be groupscum based on voting patterns, and even less likely to be traitor based on play. @DV this is why my read on you is stagnant, and why I'm not obsessing over you--sorry you feel ignored but I just think lynching elsewhere is more likely to hit scum!

Pops and Nero I've been townreading for a while now, although Nero really pulling for the Montosh lynch and then falling in line on my wagon fairly quietly is pretty concerning. Pops I don't think flops on and off my wagon like she did as scum.

Still no idea what Vork is doing this game but I don't think is groupscum and not interested in pushing there right now.

So I guess my order of preference, if not ofrhz, is Kirari>{DV/Nero}>Vorkuta>Pops
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2589 (isolation #84) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:42 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I'm really banking on nom being town right now. I don't think scum!nom so brazenly defends me today after my last game with them. Nom knows way back in this game I'm going to be awfully paranoid about them, and keeping me around is going to be a liability down the road.

I'll reassess nom later but right now I'm not feeling scum!nom
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2590 (isolation #85) » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:46 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I still don't think scum!Nero pushes as hard against Creature as he did, though. So Kirari>>>DV>Nero>Vork>Pops
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2647 (isolation #86) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:07 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2609, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 2588, LuckyOtter wrote:
Of those on my wagon at L-1, Kirari and DV have been pushing me the hardest, and continue to do so. I still think DV is less likely to be groupscum based on voting patterns, and even less likely to be traitor based on play. @DV this is why my read on you is stagnant, and why I'm not obsessing over you--sorry you feel ignored but I just think lynching elsewhere is more likely to hit scum!

Pops and Nero I've been townreading for a while now, although Nero really pulling for the Montosh lynch and then falling in line on my wagon fairly quietly is pretty concerning. Pops I don't think flops on and off my wagon like she did as scum.

Still no idea what Vork is doing this game but I don't think is groupscum and not interested in pushing there right now.

So I guess my order of preference, if not ofrhz, is Kirari>{DV/Nero}>Vorkuta>Pops
A) "continue to do so"...I moved off you and hard pushed nom... so this is doing a lot to help my concerns with your disengagement 0.o

B) Let me check Nero's vote but uh... Did he "fall in line"?

C) If you don't know what Vork is doing why do you think he isn't groupscum?
A. Yes but it's not like you've cleared me. You continue to entertain the idea of me as scum while you hard push nom, which looks to me like making sure I'm still plan B in case nobody follows you on nom. It's also making me think you and of are both scum and you're both trying very hard not to get each other lynched, but that's something I need to think through still.

B. He voted me with no real conviction. He gave his reasoning and he's since explained it further. I've also since then said I still see him more likely as town, so I'm not sure why you're pushing on this point.

C. I can answer a couple things at the same time here. I'm trying to push the most obvious candidates for groupscum based on vote counts. That's ofrhz first, you second. I could revisit Vork but at this point it's really not worth it. We're at a point right now where we can eliminate obvious answers first, see the flip, and move from there.

I'm really not an obvious answer for groupscum unless you believe I made it my goal to bring lots of negative attention to Red and eventually bus him.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2648 (isolation #87) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:01 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

ofrhz ISO and I'm kind of blown away she thinks she's done more than me this game:
First 1/3 of posts are either fluff or small pushes (e.g. a simple "why?"). I'm not going to scumread the fact that she doesn't follow-up on these in-game because I do a lot of my own note-taking in the background, and I think I've especially done so here because it's a large game. I understand how it looks scummy and is maybe not a good strategy, but I think it might just be a playstyle ppl have to deal with. I'm pointing this out because several of the people scumreading me are doing so because of this kind of posting, but somehow it's ok from ofrhz. It's really just NAI, imo, unless you have really good evidence the questioning is directionless or inconsistent. What does concern me is that ofrhz frequently admits to being disengaged this game, busy for irl reasons, having a hard time getting into the game because of wallposts, etc., but is happy to throw shade at me for apparently not doing anything this game. That is disingenuous and opportunistic.

Anyway, there's a hop on the Red wagon in here but with no explanation, and it doesn't last long.

The first substantive post and serious vote is on Niko.

D2 vote is on Jesus, who had already attracted 3 votes. Red is also starting to attract attention so this could very well be an attempt to keep the attention elsewhere. Here's the explanation for the Jesus vote:
In post 1219, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1217, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1214, ofrhz wrote:VOTE: jesus
I am happy to indulge your kinks

Why is jesus scum now? Have you begun worshipping buddha?
I didn’t like his votes around deadline yesterday

His reaction to guns blazing does seem rolefishy too
No conviction, just looks happy to join a wagon. There's some light pushing after this but not much that is substantive

This post still stands out to me:
In post 1286, ofrhz wrote:I straight up townread Eyes, nom, and red

Lucky is meh mainly because their posts are a chore to get through

LUV hasn't left much of an impression on me either way

I'm not opposed to moving my vote onto LuckyOtter or LUV, but I'm not sure why I should atm absent a compelling reason to move my vote off of Jesus and onto someone else
Inconsistent view of me, defending Red, pushing Jesus but has still not stuck her neck out too much to say way. Several posts along the lines of "I didn't like this," "this is bad"...

The montosh vote looks a lot like the earlier jesus vote. There's already a wagon forming, and the reasoning is pretty weak:
In post 1885, ofrhz wrote:
In post 1876, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1851, ofrhz wrote:Also what did you mean by the case on montosh is scattered? The ability of montosh pushers to summarize a case on him shouldn’t be alignment indicative for montosh at all?
to be clear you still stand by the montosh read, right?
No, I don’t townread him anymore, and I’ve been struggling to find a strong second scumread today

Montosh’s d2 play is basically iioa

And him sheeping his townreads onto me without really engaging his townreads is ??? Especially when half of his townreads scumread him

I’d vote there but I’m kind of confused as to why people don’t scumread nom atm

To reiterate, my one line scumcase on nom is that I think her RF scumlean looks like distancing and she didn’t vote there until pops started aggressively pushing RF
Easily the worst voting record, and the ML votes look opportunistic. Reads are inconsistent. I just think this is the most obvious place to lynch today. And that's about all I have to say.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2649 (isolation #88) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:02 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Except that I'm going to quash my speculation that kirari and ofrzh are scum together since ofrhz openly admits to sheeping kirari. That would be weird.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2650 (isolation #89) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:21 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 413, Vorkuta wrote:wtf I haven't obv!towned myself in the first 20 pages?
I must be slipping
I still like the idea of Vork for traitor actually
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2651 (isolation #90) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:24 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Nevermind he was pretty consistently after Creature. I dunno.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2656 (isolation #91) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:49 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Opportunism is
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2665 (isolation #92) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:08 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Less than 6 hrs left. I believe I'm at L-2. There's no clear consensus on an alternative. There are too many options (and I think the opening up of options is something y'all should look at tomorrow, btw). Either finish me off or we need to quickly eliminate options.

The only other viable options this late are ofrhz, kirari, nom, and that's my order of preference.

@everyone not voting me, which of these people are you
not
willing to vote over me?

DV is very obviously not happening today. KK you need to move. Also, just going to point out right now that you said you were doing a hardcourt press against him and you've just been sitting there while town flounders around.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2672 (isolation #93) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:31 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

@Kirari again, there's been serious resistance to the ofrhz wagon, and scum are clearly happy with the current gamestate, in which town is a hot indecisive mess. I think ofrhz just doesn't want to get her hands dirty at this point.

Also, play that is currently not opportunistic does not negate past play that does appear to be so. The fewer people, the tighter game you're going to have to play because there's less room to hide.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2677 (isolation #94) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:36 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I'm sifting through seeing who might be willing to vote ofrhz. Pops and Jesus have considered it at various points.

Am I missing something or has Vork not once said anything about ofrhz? That is massively troubling to me.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2678 (isolation #95) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:37 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

@Pops I'm trying to tell you Ofrhz is the mechanical vote.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2685 (isolation #96) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:42 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Nero you haven't said much about ofrhz in a while. What's your current read?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2689 (isolation #97) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:47 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

@Kirari what I mean is that because Ofrhz knows there is massive resistance against her lynch, she doesn't need to sully her hands hammering me, because she's not
really
in any danger and it was looking like I was the inevitable lynch. Still is. Instead, she can fan the nom v kirari flames while keeping attention on me.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2694 (isolation #98) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:20 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I've already stated my paranoia on nom. Scum!nom knows how to play me and I just don't think they do it by so brazenly defending me.

If I'm wrong, nom, here is a gentle fuck you in advance


<3<3<3
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2695 (isolation #99) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:28 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Also nom probably has hardly been sitting back and I've hardly been doing all the work. Their hands would be no cleaner than mine if ofrhz were to flip green.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2702 (isolation #100) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:44 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

@Pops what about ofrhz? The feasibility of ofhrz lynch is kinda hanging on you rn

I was figuring me, nom, you, Jesus, then reluctant votes from nero/vork/kk? Without you I don't think it's happening.

@KK DV isn't happening without the flashiest of flash wagons, and you haven't really done much to try to make it happen except complain that it hasn't happened.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2706 (isolation #101) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:58 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2705, Kublai Khan wrote:I don't think there is enough active people for nomnomnom at this point.
or DV...
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2707 (isolation #102) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:59 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Like, who is even on your fantasy DV flashwagon?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2713 (isolation #103) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:07 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

So show of hands, who's willing to go those directions? I'd say yes to DV but no to Jesus.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2717 (isolation #104) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:15 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Dang. Sorry nom.

VOTE: nomnomnom

L-1
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2723 (isolation #105) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:35 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

It's worth a shot. VOTE: Kirari
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2736 (isolation #106) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:46 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

3 hrs. Tick tock.

I spent all my youth hoping Jesus would appear to me when I needed him most and here he is disappointing me again.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2742 (isolation #107) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:59 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Based on personal experience I also highly doubt scum!nom claims VT, for what that's worth.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2784 (isolation #108) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:43 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Are you talking about this?
In post 2622, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2588, LuckyOtter wrote:although Nero really pulling for the Montosh lynch and then falling in line on my wagon fairly quietly is pretty concerning.
*shrugz*

I'm being lazy and indecisive. Like, I felt like the whole "but I'm not @ l-1 yet" was kinda scummy so I voted there so you'd claim. You could interpret you being the sole wagon today as scum being comfortable with the gamestate and maybe? But then I guess you could also look at it like well "otter is caught scum and his buddy/traitor doesn't want to or isn't influential enough try and save you."

I mean, ok, I don't really go "otter is so fucking scummy" but I'm kind of like "so many people scum read him that he's an ok lynch." and you
WERE
on all the ML wagons so I guess its a decent info flip.

And its like a day till deadline so like...I don't think we would be able to get a lynch anywhere else. So, I'm really sorry if you are just town that's just kinda being railroaded.

I think FYPOV, its somewhat understandable that you'd see my vote as this kinda go with the flow type vote.

VOTE: unvote if you aren't hammered yet.
It mostly makes sense. I considered pointing out that I really wasn't on all the ML wagons because I wasn't around while Niko was here, but that doesn't really count so I think it's a mostly fair statement since I went with you on Montosh. I don't know what else to say about this post except that I can kinda buy your reasoning for voting me.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2795 (isolation #109) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:53 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

lol. If it avoids a nom lynch sure. VOTE: Jesus
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2800 (isolation #110) » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:56 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Heading home and will try to check back in before deadline
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2839 (isolation #111) » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:34 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

Lmao. Nom I fucking love and hate you. I don't even know what to do with this game anymore.

I'm off camping this weekend and won't be able to post til Sunday evening at the very soonest. I'll try to wrap my head around everything then.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2881 (isolation #112) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:44 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I'm having a hard time believing Kirari v nom was SvS theater (it's really not impossible but I think there's an easier solution), so at present I'm happy to give her control and keep the game from stalling. And complaining about being corralled but not doing anything to move things in a different direction is fairly suspect imo.


@Kirari I want to say lynch DV over Nero mostly because I don't want to believe I'm wrong about another townread. Partly because it looks like DV is signaling that he's OK with a Vork lynch while adamantly sticking to voting me so that he can look good on a green Vork flip and then gun for my lynch next. There's some earlier play that still doesn't make sense to me as scum but I'll look through it again. And Nero.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2882 (isolation #113) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:03 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Just looking at vote counts, DV has literally never landed on a major wagon except for mine. I think he's the most obvious candidate for scum trying to stay clean, using his obsession over me to avoid having to take a major stance on anything else in the game. He did land a couple of other votes. Once on Vork and once on pops. But those didn't go anywhere, and could easily have been an attempt to make it look like he's not just plopping a vote on me and avoiding everything else.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2883 (isolation #114) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:14 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I think my hesitation with DV has been that he's blatantly defended all of the scum, and now that's true of nom as well (assuming he knew they were traitor). I just don't usually expect scum to do such obvious things, but I also didn't expect nom to try to pocket me so hard, so fuck if I know.

Here's a question for everyone. Does anyone see a moment where either HWS or Nom might have signaled their traitor status? Can we reasonably believe that the remaining scum figured out nom was their buddy? I mean, HWS' entrance was so sloppy it caught my attention, but would that be enough?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2884 (isolation #115) » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:30 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Except I think scum might have thought Niko was the traitor, given his entrance. Red and Creature stayed off the wagon, as did DV, but not Nero (and Nero was early on the Niko wagon). Nero was also later on the Creature wagon than I'd expect of scum. So yeah, I think I'm good with DV over Nero.

Vork is still a decent candidate. He missed the Niko wagon, voted early enough on Creature it could have just been distancing. He wasn't voting at the end of D2. Had a useless DV vote all of D3. Plopped a vote on me D4 and left it while town scrambled. And he's been largely absent this game.

So I'm fine with Vork/DV > Nero.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2933 (isolation #116) » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:26 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Intent on DV. If that's green my vote tomorrow would be on Vork.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2935 (isolation #117) » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:42 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

But the signaling would just come from hws, and I wouldn't expect Nero to respond to it. If this was the signal I don't think Nero would be all 'are you signaling me, buddy? Nudge nudge wink wink'

That said I haven't come up with any better ideas of where there might be any signaling.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2936 (isolation #118) » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:55 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2885, Kublai Khan wrote:LuckyOtter - HeWhoSwims/nomnomnom calling him town or lynchbait all game.

Nero Cain - "Random" First vote of HeWhoSwims. nomnomnom never gave a read.

ofrhz - nomnomnom was partial to ofrhz lynch over LuckyOtter lynch.

Vorkuta - Barely mentions Vorkuta.

BodhiSmith13-DeasVail - nomnomnom calls DeasVail town for hesitating on the RedFlavor lynch.

Kirari Momobami - Went from town read to scummy in a sort of self-preservation fashion.

I think Kirari Momobami and ofrhz are off the table for today.

I think a traitor generally tries to signal the groupscum not to kill them, and tries to protect them by calling them town.

So.. I think LuckyOtter is the strongest contender for lynch and failing that, DeasVail for vig-shot. I would strongly reccomend Nero Cain for lynch following that.
To be fair I had the same thought about how signaling would work. My only defense is that nom clearly didn't use that strategy toward Red. And I was nom's first straight up 'townread' only after you, btw, so it's not like nom came in with the strategy of signaling just one of the scum by townreading them right off the bat, unless it's you somehow. I'm just thinking there was no signaling and nom was working associatives very carefully. So nom avoiding talking about Vork, for example, doesn't dissuade me from thinking he's scum.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2937 (isolation #119) » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:59 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1176, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 1174, Kirari Momobami wrote:@nomnom what do you think of vork and red?
Red is odd sounding. Not even because he's not a native speaker, just odd posts.
I could see myself voting there today.

Vork? Eeeeh. No idea.
For example. Hedging on both
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2938 (isolation #120) » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:03 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 1184, nomnomnom wrote:I also have a mental note on you that you don't seem to stand out as much in this game than the others I've seen of you but different parameters and all that.

This game is a bit different and it's a bit hard to place myself here.
If we want more tinfoil signaling theories I guess this from nom directed at nero
might
be something, but he's still low on my list
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2942 (isolation #121) » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:07 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2940, Kirari Momobami wrote:I mostly just want to have a clear towncase on Nero independently based on his own play so that I can confidently ignore whatever noise HWS spewed out.
Yeah I need to stop avoiding rereading Nero.

- I kinda agreed with him on Montosh early on and I think he mostly fell off my radar after that. So, mwomp mwomp.

- One of the main reasons I haven't been looking at him as scum later is because he was the 5th vote on the Creature flashwagon. I guess it didn't end up putting him in that much danger, especially seeing that Red was on it as well, but if Creature is the sort of player that doesn't respond well to pressure, this isn't a good scumbuddy move. Vork is on here, too, but Nero keeps calling for a creature lynch after that.

- If scum!Nero actually believes that Niko is claiming traitor here, I don't think he wouldn't have voted him (which he did, and kept calling Niko out for SK speculation):
In post 825, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, it's not like I was fussing at him for a lack of scum reads. But I do think his setup spec that we didn't have 4 scum is fake dumbtelling or legit TMI but he's either real claiming SK or lulz claiming SK.
- Let's say HWS and Nom were signaling Nero. He later presses against nom, again for setup spec. I guess it's not an impossible strategy given that he would have been bussing Creature and Red, but then to push nom seems a bit dangerous. That said, he never really pushed nom that hard, and actually criticized Kirari for voting there instead of me:
In post 1863, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1860, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 1846, Nero Cain wrote:the other is?
Otter is still toward the bottom of my PoE
isn't there a wagon there today? Why not join that instead of push Nom with 3 days left?
- If DV has been obsessing over me all game, Nero has done the same with Montosh, but his fizzling out post-Montosh lynch feels just a bit more like town having the wind taken out of his sails than scum having a singular strategy of obsessing over 1 person and then not knowing what to do after getting that person lynched.

So I really don't know. He's still not my top pick but I'm not going to say he's town with any amount of confidence.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2943 (isolation #122) » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:21 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2941, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 2936, LuckyOtter wrote:To be fair I had the same thought about how signaling would work. My only defense is that nom clearly didn't use that strategy toward Red. And I was nom's first straight up 'townread' only after you, btw, so it's not like nom came in with the strategy of signaling just one of the scum by townreading them right off the bat, unless it's you somehow. I'm just thinking there was no signaling and nom was working associatives very carefully. So nom avoiding talking about Vork, for example, doesn't dissuade me from thinking he's scum.
I get what you're saying, but realistically you were at L-1 and nomnomnom absolutely would not hammer. She could have easily justified placing the hammering vote, but didn't.

If you were town, I don't really understand why she'd delay a hammering vote on a townie for so long and risk a last minute quick wagon on her actual partner.

If you were me, would you allow LuckyOtter to make it to LYLO?
I wouldn't really advise anyone to take me to lylo, lol. But yeah I get what you mean. And nom almost got themselves lynched over their gambit but I think the goal was to pocket me and take me to lylo, or try to look really good after my green flip, or make me look bad after their flip. Not going to hold it against you for taking me out because I'd probably do the same. It's not really in my nature to go down without at least a little fight. But I realize I'm a liability at this point.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2944 (isolation #123) » Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:22 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Just promise to remember I had a few good reads this game and wasn't a total fuckup, lol
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2951 (isolation #124) » Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:52 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Is it... that you've been deathtunneling me all game and you're realizing that maybe you could have used your time and efforts differently?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2952 (isolation #125) » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:02 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

:oops: I mean, I get that you think I'm scum, but have you thought through secondary cases once you find out you're wrong? Because the likely scenario here is that we lynch either me or Vork and the other gets vig'd. And if Vork flips green then you're going to need to decide if either it's just Nero, or if there's any reason to doubt our 'townbloc'

Because I really am not convinced you're scum, even though it seems more likely than Nero or a compromised townbloc at the moment.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2953 (isolation #126) » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:04 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I don't know how that emoji got there.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2955 (isolation #127) » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:39 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Alright, it's ParanoidOtter time.

Nom hard defending me even when they were one of the likely alternatives makes it pretty clear they were playing the long game. They were willing to get lynched if they were pretty sure they could secure a win at lylo. Part of that involves making me look bad, but that's really not good enough when we still have a vig shot. Nom thinks longer-term than that. I think there is a more than decent chance nom was creating a bunch of theater not just to implicate me but to clear someone else, and I think that would be ofrhz. I think maybe I was right on that one, and nom did everything possible to either clear themselves by bussing her (nom bussed Red, so not implausible) and hard pocket me for the win, or in the case that nom got lynched, make me look super bad and clear ofrhz.

And let's remember that almost all of D4 I was looking like the inevitable lynch. Plan A was obviously to get townpoints by defending me and then lynch off of my wagon after that. Which might explain why ofrhz stayed off my wagon, too.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2956 (isolation #128) » Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:41 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Vorkuta wrote: I read how LO got run up yesterday and I thought it was going to flip red so *shrugs*
Um... ?
In post 2620, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 2618, nomnomnom wrote:You're going to blanket vote without any explanation with one day left on the clock?
Idk I liked the past few pages
But fair enough

VOTE: otter
Tbh I have a nagging feeling that this flips green butg wtv
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2969 (isolation #129) » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:22 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Yes it obviously looks that way, but my point is that when I flip and turn out to be the short stop (or something, I don't do sports analogies), you'll need to rethink what the play was.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2971 (isolation #130) » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:40 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I really don't think lynching within the townbloc is an option today. But I do agree with DV that there may be scum in the townbloc, and I find it interesting that Kirari didn't say anything when I suggested it, but is now railing against DV for doing the same. To be fair, the difference is that DV is actually voting there, which again, I think is a bad move right now, but Kirari's reaction is kind of unsettling. Especially her claim that it is a "solved" townbloc. It's good enough for today but not for endgame.

Also, as KK pointed out, I need to die tonight. Taking me to lylo is not a good idea. That Kirari is considering it is also troubling. We need to stick to the plan of eliminating obvious solutions today/tonight, and if that doesn't work, y'all can sort out the rest tomorrow.

So we either lynch Vork or DV today and vig me, or lynch me and let KK decide who to vig.

And if Nero wants to show up and do something that'd be great too.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2972 (isolation #131) » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:41 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2970, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 2969, LuckyOtter wrote:Yes it obviously looks that way, but my point is that when I flip and turn out to be the short stop (or something, I don't do sports analogies), you'll need to rethink what the play was.
You don't sound confident that DeasVail will flip scum.
I'm really not.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2974 (isolation #132) » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:52 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I could just hammer before any scrambling happens. Does anything else need to be said today?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2978 (isolation #133) » Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:51 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

So suddenly my play is super gross? Where's that coming from?

I shouldn't survive tomorrow. I have massive doubts DV is scum but I'm not sure he should survive tomorrow either. So I'm thinking through scenarios and putting thoughts down while I can. If you disagree with them, fine, but it's looking like you're trying to belittle them before I flip, and that is what is pretty gross, actually.

Re: 2976 my point is that their agenda for two days may have been laying the groundwork to win in the endgame. I was clearly part of that strategy but I don't think for a second pocketing me/setting me up as a patsy was the extent of it.
Y'all will still have to reckon with the fact that nom didn't hammer me D4 and insisted on defending me at their own peril
.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2981 (isolation #134) » Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:58 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

I just disagree that that's gross. What do you want me to do here?
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2983 (isolation #135) » Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:07 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

VOOOOOOOOORK
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #2991 (isolation #136) » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:13 pm

Post by LuckyOtter »

In post 2906, ofrhz wrote:
In post 2905, Gollum wrote:What do you think otter meant in 2839?
Otter has been saying that he was paranoid of Nom, but didn't think Nom would buddy him after their last game together.

Idk the logic there is a little wonky, but maybe Otter was just feeling like he had been snowed? (again?)
Ofrhz answered for me and I didn't feel compelled to do a 'yeah, what she said.' I also said yesterday:

In post 2694, LuckyOtter wrote:I've already stated my paranoia on nom. Scum!nom knows how to play me and I just don't think they do it by so brazenly defending me.

If I'm wrong, nom, here is a gentle fuck you in advance


<3<3<3
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #3031 (isolation #137) » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:33 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Lmao. This damn game.

DV you were in a tight spot and I think you played it well.
User avatar
LuckyOtter
LuckyOtter
Goon
User avatar
User avatar
LuckyOtter
Goon
Goon
Posts: 794
Joined: May 24, 2018
Location: North Carolina

Post Post #3036 (isolation #138) » Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:17 am

Post by LuckyOtter »

Glad it's over but I was kinda looking forward to ripping into nom in the dead thread :P
Locked

Return to “Completed Large Normal Games”