Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

[insomnia]

Well well well after 3 months of emptiness and crying myself to sleep, I can finally dominate humbly

VOTE: Smile

I wanted a better entrance in the thread with all the heads talking about themselves as well as an introductive video or a theme song or something, come on

[insomnia]

VOTE: Skitter

That’s a hammer, see you tomorrow

[insomnia]

@insomnia w0w that wasn't enough for you? I've shown you my transformation sequence... and everything. Rude

@Persival I feel like I would answer that differently if I wasn't in the hydra lmao
I dunno, I don't care about it

@Irrelephant We DID forget to mention that its a hydra... yeah man thats on us

- March

No, I wanted special effects as well as every head contributing on one post and reveal as a team or something. Make me your manager and I’ll get you a better director next time, we’ll be rich and make tons of money

[insomnia]

VOTE: Skitter

That’s a hammer, see you tomorrow

Ooh maybe you ARE town
Way to hammer scum

That’s one scum pinned, who’s next?

[insomnia]

VOTE: Skitter

That’s a hammer, see you tomorrow

Ooh maybe you ARE town
Way to hammer scum

That’s one scum pinned, who’s next?

I'm looking for a biiig beefy hunk to vote with me wyd

how do u feel about Percy+Elephant together

Percy is just unreadable, I don’t want to get my brain toasted trying to read him. As for elephant, if he’s scum and he’s pushing one of the most powerful townies, it takes some balls I must say. It could be a high risk high reward push but I’m not too eager to call anyone scum yet, you know me, you’ll have to wait for my tunnel. I haven’t seen anything that I can pounce on yet.

[insomnia]

Did you just call me big beefy hunk

[insomnia]

What posts of elephant’s ping you? He seems to be interested in pushing skitter at the moment, I’m taking it you are basing it off Percy and Elephant “poking” each other in their posts that makes you think “this is S/S”?

As for Percy, it seems like you are casing him based on what you think is his playstyle and he should strictly follow your line of action that you made for him. I don’t know how accurate your reads are based on that, it would certainly take me a lot of games with someone in order to determine how they would usually act.

I don’t usually remember people’s meta or don’t go into how they would think, too lazy for that

[insomnia]

What posts of elephant’s ping you? He seems to be interested in pushing skitter at the moment,

Why do you read a RVS wagon as a serious push? Lots of people do that just to see what happens. It rarely goes to lynch.

I never said he was serious about the push, why are you putting words into my mouth? My point was exactly like yours, he wanted to see where the wagon would lead, it can’t be a serious push that involved elephant scum reading skitter because she didn’t even post yet lmao

[insomnia]

VOTE: Shiidaji
i feel the exact opposite about his elephant/Percy proposal!

regarding jailkeepers: mod posts do seem to imply they're town. not locked, but good enough, especially with the mechanics surrounding mutual protection.

I don't really feel Percyscum anymore Chara. It is nice to see you again my friend. Do you feel like insomnia's entrance was natural? I liked post 45 trying to follow up on my thought process.

Are you jealous that I’ve not expressed my interest in becoming your manager? We could arrange something, I’m sure cowbird hero animations would have a big audience

[insomnia]

Hi Im town

You and tris better start proving it, even if you are town, claiming it doesn’t excuse you from game solving.

[insomnia]

Only time will tell.

[insomnia]

The way the jail keepers can protect each other is also town-indicative for the roles imo
If nothing else I doubt the JKs are mafia - though the OP does mention the possibility of 3p’s

Yeah, that’s the main idea I was getting as well, but I just wanted to keep quite in case someone wanted to make us believe otherwise if you know ehat i mean

[insomnia]

Skitter will you pocket me again, or do you only do that as scum? :p

[insomnia]

Me ish back me catch up me point fingers

[insomnia]

#realtalk

insomnia seems too eager

irrel is playing a game I dont really like but cant call scum
percy is looking nulltown
Im tired of the sailor moon bit already
I wish clarity would have not mentioned how new they were. I get paranoid about small things.

huh?

[insomnia]

Hi I'm around

VOTE: Chara

Her posts are dull.

what do u mean by 'dull'?

Their early posts were not interesting.

Which struck me as blending in for some reason.

So you scum read "not interesting" posts? I don't see anything interesting in your posts.

[insomnia]

tris — thoughts on this after skitter posted and MKM still has not?

even if you took that seriously I'm really confused what thought process led to this post

VOTE: Clarity

delayed OMGUS ftw

I feel like this is a safe spot where scum would park their vote for a while, I'm getting weird vibes off of this.

VOTE: Miss Kobaamwgmagmwam [/v]

[insomnia]

VOTE: Miss Kobayamfasmmwaghoahwpa

there ya go

I'm waiting for a little more content as I don't like your posts thus far

[insomnia]

Can someone make a scum case on ceejay? I thought his unvote looked townie, I don't get all the votes on him

[insomnia]

what's faphing

[insomnia]

#realtalk

insomnia seems too eager

irrel is playing a game I dont really like but cant call scum
percy is looking nulltown
Im tired of the sailor moon bit already
I wish clarity would have not mentioned how new they were. I get paranoid about small things.

huh?

Eager, as in I was clearly faphing around, and you immediately called it out. It isnt bad you did, but I feel like I walked right into the no-fun zone

i'm tons of fun, i'm definitely not socially awkward or anything, I go to...parties, I have fun (?)

[insomnia]

#realtalk

insomnia seems too eager

irrel is playing a game I dont really like but cant call scum
percy is looking nulltown
Im tired of the sailor moon bit already
I wish clarity would have not mentioned how new they were. I get paranoid about small things.

huh?

Eager, as in I was clearly faphing around, and you immediately called it out. It isnt bad you did, but I feel like I walked right into the no-fun zone

well, when you say something, you gotta back it up so I wanted a reply because I was confused by your statement

[insomnia]

I dont wanna go too far without my P's input, but I feel like it was a 'catch and release' kind of play. He's looking for a good wagon in a scummy way, and made a big deal about unvoting. without immediately revoting, which is always scummy.

A good towny isnt going to unvote even a light scumread for a good post or even a few good ones. He did.

I see what you mean, it could be an interesting thing to push for, I'm waiting for ceejay to post his reads

[insomnia]

Alright, back to my lair...If you disturb me, I'll snap my fingers. And you know what happens when Big Thanos Boi snaps his fingers.

[insomnia]

Debating theory/outguessing the mod always tends to be a thing in these games. It very rarely works.
The text of the OP regarding the Jailkeepers was intentional; this is

not

a confirmation that both are Town.

VOTE COUNT

7 of 13 votes are required to lynch.

Shiidaji (3):

Chara, Irrelephant11, tris

skitter30 (2):

Persivul, insomnia

Irrelephant11 (2):

Shiidaji, RCEnigma

Fuscezu (1):

Smile

Miss Kobayashi Maru (1):

ClearlyClarity

ceejayvinoya (1):

skitter30

ClearlyClarity (1):

Miss Kobayashi Maru

Not Voting (2):

Fuscezu, ceejayvinoya

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-05-22 12:00:00)

Can someone make a scum case on ceejay? I thought his unvote looked townie, I don't get all the votes on him

All the votes? There's one. Someone's not reading the thread, but trying to act all townie by challenging a (nonexistent) wagon.

VOTE: insomnia

votes, suspicions, I'm playing 3 games atm and 2 on another site

[insomnia]

It feels rather shallow to vote based on such a weak push. Did you even read my other posts or you saw something that you could've easily jumped on?

You put words in my mouth in the beginning and now are pushing me based on not paying attention.

VOTE: Persivul

Bring it dude, you picked the wrong tunnel

[insomnia]

Like you're starting to piss me off, every game you're pushing me based on shitty reasons. It feels like I'm more of a policy than anything.

[insomnia]

Spoiler:

tris — thoughts on this after skitter posted and MKM still has not?

even if you took that seriously I'm really confused what thought process led to this post

VOTE: Clarity

delayed OMGUS ftw

I feel like this is a safe spot where scum would park their vote for a while, I'm getting weird vibes off of this.

VOTE: Miss Kobaamwgmagmwam [/v]

VOTE: Miss Kobayamfasmmwaghoahwpa

there ya go

I'm waiting for a little more content as I don't like your posts thus far

One could say exactly the same about your push and vote above.

I'm voting for pressure, you're voting a scum read based on not paying attention. There's a huge difference in between the two, and you distorting it is lame af.

[insomnia]

you ran away?

[insomnia]

So Persivul are you going to hop off already or what?

[insomnia]

I thought you were going on with a push.

[insomnia]

Skitter is low-key pocketing me again, I don't know how to feel about it given our past game.

[insomnia]

Since my vote on Persivul isn't going anywhere and people don't hop on him for some reason, I'll do this

VOTE: Smile

5 headed hydra and you can't come up with a read and you are so neutral when it comes to giving reads. it feels off. you're like "insomnia is scum because of this, but i can see him being town" , "not feeling cj's posts", plenty of Iioa

[insomnia]

who's up, play with me oof

[insomnia]

Debating theory/outguessing the mod always tends to be a thing in these games. It very rarely works.
The text of the OP regarding the Jailkeepers was intentional; this is

not

a confirmation that both are Town.

VOTE COUNT

7 of 13 votes are required to lynch.

Shiidaji (3):

Chara, Irrelephant11, tris

skitter30 (2):

Persivul, insomnia

Irrelephant11 (2):

Shiidaji, RCEnigma

Fuscezu (1):

Smile

Miss Kobayashi Maru (1):

ClearlyClarity

ceejayvinoya (1):

skitter30

ClearlyClarity (1):

Miss Kobayashi Maru

Not Voting (2):

Fuscezu, ceejayvinoya

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-05-22 12:00:00)

Oh apparently I've just been glossing over the orange posts because they're orange
I redacted a thought here - not because it relates to ongoing games but because I think it'd be more helpful to say after a flip than before any flips
someone remidn me later

pedit: I have no read on skitter yet

so you got no reads off your plan with the fast wagon? thought you were pretty good and you thought you were confident in reading town skitter?

[insomnia]

I told you I have 5 games going on my dude, that plus when skitter covers me like that I don't feel like doing much. I have to get out of that habit lmao

[insomnia]

So Persivul are you going to hop off already or what?

I thought you were going on with a push.

Why are you so different here from last time I played with town!you and it was a total shitshow?

you and urap2 only reading me based on meta, smh

[insomnia]

Since my vote on Persivul isn't going anywhere and people don't hop on him for some reason, I'll do this

VOTE: Smile

5 headed hydra and you can't come up with a read and you are so neutral when it comes to giving reads. it feels off. you're like "insomnia is scum because of this, but i can see him being town" , "not feeling cj's posts", plenty of Iioa

I don't see how those sorts of comments are iioa. Can you explain that to me?
They're not very strong comments, I agree, but what about a five-headed hydra being a bit neutral feels off to you? I have a hard time seeing how the slot would be moving strongly in any direction as either alignment
That said my townread there was always weak, I don't really mind the vote

Debating theory/outguessing the mod always tends to be a thing in these games. It very rarely works.
The text of the OP regarding the Jailkeepers was intentional; this is

not

a confirmation that both are Town.

VOTE COUNT

7 of 13 votes are required to lynch.

Shiidaji (3):

Chara, Irrelephant11, tris

skitter30 (2):

Persivul, insomnia

Irrelephant11 (2):

Shiidaji, RCEnigma

Fuscezu (1):

Smile

Miss Kobayashi Maru (1):

ClearlyClarity

ceejayvinoya (1):

skitter30

ClearlyClarity (1):

Miss Kobayashi Maru

Not Voting (2):

Fuscezu, ceejayvinoya

Deadline is in (expired on 2019-05-22 12:00:00)

Oh apparently I've just been glossing over the orange posts because they're orange
I redacted a thought here - not because it relates to ongoing games but because I think it'd be more helpful to say after a flip than before any flips
someone remidn me later

pedit: I have no read on skitter yet

so you got no reads off your plan with the fast wagon? thought you were pretty good and you thought you were confident in reading town skitter?

The vote thing was originally meant to be a post-scumflip way of reading skitter (how many scum were on her wagon, did any scum choose me to vote instead of her, etc)
And she hasn't done much I consider strongly indicative of her being town, nor really of being obvscum. So I don't have a read yet
I'm not sure why I should have a strong read this early -

do you feel like skitter's alignment is obvious here?

You've got posts on this same page saying you don't know how to read her so far

Skitter is an auto town read for me until I get fucked by the flip. To respond to the bolded, when skitter confronted you, you said you're pretty good at town reading her, and having her at a null is weird to me, with the plan and everything.

As for the hydra, I'll point the posts that I don't like and maybe they can defended themselves / explain their reads because they're scattered as hell

[insomnia]

Yeah man I'm not feeling CJ's posts

- Cure March

@Clarity Meh I've seen Mafia have roles they normally don't get to be mindfucky in terms of set up spec. Not like mafia JK isn't common anyway

didn't quote anything, gave a blunt comment without anything in particular as to what pings them the wrong way

[insomnia]

wow I don't find anything else except for this 1v1 between insomnia and percy recently

in which case,

(btw the way insomnia didn't immediately retaliate and instead voted in a second post loses magical girl points for him. I refer to 213 and 214)

- march

wow I don't find anything else except for this 1v1 between insomnia and percy recently

in which case,

(btw the way insomnia didn't immediately retaliate and instead voted in a second post loses magical girl points for him. I refer to 213 and 214)

- march

i kinda think insomnia is town actually
why is he less townie for voting in the second post?

It feels like an afterthought
like "oh yeah I'd normally scumread the guy in a similar situation"

- March

Maybe I can word it better

214 feels like an afterthought like "I should be scumread Percy right now" instead of "I am scumreading Percy right now" because the sudden shift in tone from 213 to 214. 214 and after are much more aggressive. not just becuase 214 is a different post from 213.

41 is okay. I don't feel as strongly as you about it but its slightly positive. meh

- March

Seems to start off strong and then kind of falls off, as though to make sure she's being heard and seen but not making any push of her own.

I think when skitter confronted her, she kind of saw there was no interest in lynching me and just abandoned her read.

Also, I forgot that this is a god damn hydra because I've never played with one and then I figured why people want them vetoed from their games. It's so hard to keep track of everyone's read and it's weird to see one account having different scum reads and town reads, so that's totally on me

seems like I'll have to talk with Miss March over here.

so ignore my argument regarding the scattered reads, that's fucking dumb on me

the point on March's read on me still stays, march in particular is scummy i think, not the whole hydra

[insomnia]

Oh yeah you didn’t say you were good at town reading her, probs a sign I should try harder to actually pay attention

[insomnia]

I told you I have 5 games going on my dude, that plus when skitter covers me like that I don't feel like doing much. I have to get out of that habit lmao

skitter was "covering" you in our last game as well, but you do seem a bit different from that game to me. How many games were you in at the start of that game? You seem more subdued here.

I want to change my meta because I get scum read on this solely based on me being such an obvious town when I'm town. If I'm really town as town, when I roll town I won't be like that.

So I'm sorry this had to be the game where I reverse my meta, but I keep looking back on my first scum game and nobody knowing my meta there and I sweeped easily because people didn't know me and what I'd normally do.

Although it's hurting me and it's really counter intuitive for me, it's a sacrifice I have to make in order to enjoy playing scum more as well. As it stands, I'm probably the shittiest scum player on the website. I lose all of my try hard motivation when I roll scum because I know i'm getting caught like day 2.

[insomnia]

That plus my town meta is basically really accurate through this flow chart

Nail scum team in RVS based on their shit posts -> start overthinking -> tunnel every single town -> clutter the thread -> be a toxic piece of shit so you lynch your target and force the game hostage -> they flip town

and repeat without the first step until game's over

[insomnia]

I forgot : lose 60% of your motivation when your target flips town, should be placed like right after "they flip town"

[insomnia]

Hey insomnia lemme try to understand your thoughts a little bit

What was your plan when you voted Percy? If I understand right you don't necessarily scumread Percy but you want to vote him for pressure? If so why Percy out of all the people here? Why not RCE for example? Cause I don't remember a single post from RCE and its probably not a good sign

- March

It was an omgus because Percy always pushes me for the dumbest reasons. RCE never pushed me based on dumb reasons.

It was a combination of omgus and also a scum read because he placed a vote for something that is shallow af

[insomnia]

A kind of “Hey I’m here and I’m game solving, look, I placed a vote” vote but it was baseless.

[insomnia]

Hey insomnia lemme try to understand your thoughts a little bit

What was your plan when you voted Percy? If I understand right you don't necessarily scumread Percy but you want to vote him for pressure? If so why Percy out of all the people here? Why not RCE for example? Cause I don't remember a single post from RCE and its probably not a good sign

- March

Explain the leap from Percy to RCE? I couldn’t find the correlation.

[insomnia]

MKM where you at
Insomnia you've seemingly gone quiet too

Who dare summon the embodiment of justice?

[insomnia]

Percy why did you drop your push on insomnia, when we could have gotten something going
especially when the new vote is shiidaji which fundamentally does nothing

- March

Could have gotten something going? It was going nowhere. It was a waste to have it there. shiidaji otoh is a viable wagon and whatever happens with it, we'll get some info out of it.

What info?

Is Smile trying to pocket me by interrogating my scum read? :thonk:

[insomnia]

Who can read RCE? I’ll leave that job to whoever applies for this really important job

[insomnia]

I don't see why I would be townread right now.

I don’t see why we’re not policying you for playing like this on purpose

[insomnia]

I don't see why I would be townread right now.

I don’t see why we’re not policying you for playing like this on purpose

Fuscezu had just asked me if I felt the townread was undeserved.

Sooo...What’s your point?

[insomnia]

I’d like if you town cased Smile.

[insomnia]

It’s useless to get into wagonomics this early though, that clear sure is interesting. Also, Percy not posting much relevant information / anything that stands out to me like it did in other games is making me putting him back on my scumdar. I usually have a bad habit of rulig out the people that back out from pushing me, I have to look at his progression on me

[insomnia]

Percy = Persivul

[insomnia]

Flava Leef post content bruv

[insomnia]

I just went back to catch up and saw you asking me if Smile is my strongest scum read, yes.

As for reading RCE I’ve already addressed it, I’ll never be able to read him, I only read him when he gets to like at L-1 and starts raging because of it, his tone can give him away while on the chopping block.

Having stronger players like Skitter and whoever’s left to determine his alignment if they have Meta with him is better as it generates info, if they misrep his meta then they have high scum equity, so I’ll just do that.

[insomnia]

Although for me right now I have to decide in between Percy and Smile as they’re probably never scum together, the fact that Smile tried to get Percy back on my push is probably scummier than him actually tunneling me and it points to town / scum in between those two

[insomnia]

Well, me, Skitter and tris were in a game where the both of them were scum and I was town, so Skitter should have some insight on tris

[insomnia]

Tris played exceptionally well and was an easy town read for me in that game, I don’t know if that can be applied the other way around as well, I’d find it weird.

[insomnia]

Yeah man I'm not feeling CJ's posts

- Cure March

@Clarity Meh I've seen Mafia have roles they normally don't get to be mindfucky in terms of set up spec. Not like mafia JK isn't common anyway

didn't quote anything, gave a blunt comment without anything in particular as to what pings them the wrong way

wow I don't find anything else except for this 1v1 between insomnia and percy recently

in which case,

(btw the way insomnia didn't immediately retaliate and instead voted in a second post loses magical girl points for him. I refer to 213 and 214)

- march

wow I don't find anything else except for this 1v1 between insomnia and percy recently

in which case,

(btw the way insomnia didn't immediately retaliate and instead voted in a second post loses magical girl points for him. I refer to 213 and 214)

- march

i kinda think insomnia is town actually
why is he less townie for voting in the second post?

It feels like an afterthought
like "oh yeah I'd normally scumread the guy in a similar situation"

- March

Maybe I can word it better

214 feels like an afterthought like "I should be scumread Percy right now" instead of "I am scumreading Percy right now" because the sudden shift in tone from 213 to 214. 214 and after are much more aggressive. not just becuase 214 is a different post from 213.

41 is okay. I don't feel as strongly as you about it but its slightly positive. meh

- March

Seems to start off strong and then kind of falls off, as though to make sure she's being heard and seen but not making any push of her own.

I think when skitter confronted her, she kind of saw there was no interest in lynching me and just abandoned her read.

Also, I forgot that this is a god damn hydra because I've never played with one and then I figured why people want them vetoed from their games. It's so hard to keep track of everyone's read and it's weird to see one account having different scum reads and town reads, so that's totally on me

seems like I'll have to talk with Miss March over here.

so ignore my argument regarding the scattered reads, that's fucking dumb on me

the point on March's read on me still stays, march in particular is scummy i think, not the whole hydra

In response to RCE’s question.

[insomnia]

Probably should’ve spoilered that, well, damage was done.

[insomnia]

Gonna claim it right now, i’m a 3rd party, but I essentially win with town at end game.

I’ll full claim later.

I don’t know why i’m 3rd party tbh. This just seems like a town role, just i have the potential to lose even if town wins.

This thread needed some spice.

[insomnia]

I'm at the end of page 9. Currently the people who I've found no reasons to townread are {ceejayvinoya, Chara, insomnia, Irrelephant, Smile, tris}. Of those, I think that Irrelephant and tris are the most likely to actually be scum. I've found reasons, even if very minor, to townread everyone else. Some more than others, of course – my reason to townread skitter is fairly small, for example.

From what I've read these don't seem to align with popular consensus, so if anyone would like clarification somewhere feel free to ask. It's getting fairly late for me so I'm not sure how much more reading I'll get done right now.

Well, the general rule would be if you don’t have a consensus you should probably get into detail with your scum reads. I’m interested in the irrelephant read.

[insomnia]

Well, you should get into detail with every single one of them, but the point was that if a person’s accusing someone that’s not a consensus and without explaining the scum read in any way, it’s likely people will just ignore you or you even light end up suspicious for pushing that person if you don’t have a case.

[insomnia]

Shotgun reads, CC

for today/insomnia/Skitter/fusc

The rest are like null or nonreads.

Smile probably does soft defend me if they feel I'm going down today via compromise or whatever the case may be.

I'm at an impasse with you (irrel) since I only really see you with slots like mkm/CC/ceejay. Some kind of composition you would feel the need to over perform with.

But I also feel like you may just be one of the kind of players I don't mesh well with personally, which is why I made the Thor connection.

Can you explain the bolded?

Is nobody interested in pushing Smile? Does any of you have any deep mindmelds with her that you don't want to push her or is it tone based? Action-wise, she looks scummy to me.

[insomnia]

I didn't get the whole first line tbh

[insomnia]

VOTE: Smile

Is this a sheep or do you have your own reasons for voting?

[insomnia]

[q] Don't these two lines of logic contradict each other? If, in the second scenario, it softconfirms the jailkeepers as town, then wouldn't scum benefit from having their jailkeeper be assumed to be town in the first scenario? [/q]

Good observation. Keeping this in my ISO.

[insomnia]

Don't these two lines of logic contradict each other? If, in the second scenario, it softconfirms the jailkeepers as town, then wouldn't scum benefit from having their jailkeeper be assumed to be town in the first scenario?

Good observation. Keeping this in my ISO.

[insomnia]

Don't these two lines of logic contradict each other? If, in the second scenario, it softconfirms the jailkeepers as town, then wouldn't scum benefit from having their jailkeeper be assumed to be town in the first scenario?

Good observation. Keeping this in my ISO.

What about the observation is noteworthy to you? If it's just the setup spec, you can ignore this. If it's something about tris' or my alignment, please answer.

It’s for post-flip.

[insomnia]

Thought you said you were town siding, help a guy out.

I just basically also win with town, so yeah, I’m town siding, just don’t screw me over, and I won’t screw you guys over, we end together.

And why would we bargain with someone that has a “Best 3p player” banner under their name? You have to prove your loyalty, by lynching a scum.

[insomnia]

So why are you reluctant to reveal your role if that’s the case?

[insomnia]

If you get lynched and win, why would you want to lynch a scum for us?

[insomnia]

Thought you said you were town siding, help a guy out.

I

just basically also win with town

, so yeah, I’m town siding,

just don’t screw me over,

and I won’t screw you guys over, we end together.

If you win by getting lynched, what do you mean by “don’t screw me over” ? You’re blatantly lying.

From your PoV, getting “screwed” results into a win for you, so why’d you request the thing that’s opposite to your wincon?

[insomnia]

I'M HERE

[insomnia]

Ah, smile not lynched yet. well.

[insomnia]

At least I'm rallying the troops and hit you with that S T R A P

[insomnia]

When are you just going to start lolcatting tbh

[insomnia]

When are you just going to start lolcatting tbh

why is this slot still alive?

Cuz Day one didn't end yet?

[insomnia]

I'm here, will catch up on everything

[insomnia]

Irrel - Chara interactions look T/T, after yesterday when I got sheeped by Irrel that puts him really high up on my town leans.

Skitter's positioning on Smile's wagon was sort of weird, but I know she's mostly a busy person and that's why I probably would like to not lynch her today and let her justify her actions.

I'll go and analyse the people that sheeped me on the wagon and if they had any reason for it or they bussed for town cred and will come back with thoughts.

Also, did Fus just hammer a fucking jailkeeper? Why are people unvoting if it was a hammer?

[insomnia]

Smile (7): insomnia, Chara, Irrelephant11, Persivul, tris, ClearlyClarity, RCEnigma

Scum are more likely to hop on at the end of the wagon because they are clueless what to do, especially on day one when their scum bud is getting pushed like this. With the bussing meta on this website, Smile was probably bussed and for shit reasoning as well. Either over explaining or really low explaining of the vote. The last 3 people are a safe spot to look at.

I'll also look at people who are in batfuck nowhere, parking their votes since RVS and shit

I don't know why CC didn't jail me to be honest. I was the foundation to Smile's lynch. What made you jail Irrel instead of me?

[insomnia]

I mean I understand why I'm lynchbait but I feel like this wagon was crudely formed and I didn't get a very good feeling from the latter half of the voters. W/e.

If you really got hammered, I'd be more specific. Leave your legacy, you're basically conftown.

That hammer was fucking shit to be honest tho

[insomnia]

Ah nevermind, there were only 4 votes, that claim could be scum as well. Not even paying attention itt.

So, CC, why'd you jail irrel over me?

[insomnia]

Not worth protecting the person who lynched fucking scum?

[insomnia]

Is CC ignoring my questions on purpose?

[insomnia]

I'll be honest, while my play has been subpar and obv lynchbaity I feel like I'm being wagoned for surface-level reasons. Especially after my little mishap.

Your reason for voting Smile was surface level.

I’ll ask again, why lynch Irrel over the person who lynched scum?

[insomnia]

I honestly think CC succumbed to pressure and when she got ran up she claimed to get pressure off of her. She claimed while being leading wagon with like 2 votes or something.

Claiming like that is unnecessary. A CC obviously will never come up so fake claiming here is a viable option for scum. I don’t buy the claim nor her reasoning for voting Smile. VCA also points to her being undecided scum and abstaining till the very last second because of the pressure you get when your scum bud is being hard pushed and you don’t know what to do. This is what I get from CC.

VOTE: ClearlyClarity

You’re going to need to talk a lot today to not eat a rope. Actual contribution instead of role claiming. Everyone wets their pants when it comes to someone claiming, but from a Clarity!scum PoV, it’s low risk high reward for now.

[insomnia]

Remember Smile trying to point to the idea both of the Jailkeepers are town? Does this ring some bells to anyone?

[insomnia]

CC is town. what slimey push

Defence noted

[insomnia]

I'll be honest, while my play has been subpar and obv lynchbaity I feel like I'm being wagoned for surface-level reasons. Especially after my little mishap.

Your reason for voting Smile was surface level.

I’ll ask again, why jail Irrel over the person who lynched scum?

ebwop

[insomnia]

UNVOTE:

I’ll go over the skitter case when I have time

[insomnia]

Ya favourite player's back and I'll catch up

[insomnia]

K page 61 I'm seeing thrown shots. Having played with Persivul before I can tell you he's scummy as shit and accusing me on stupid shit is in his town range. Last time we played he had pretty bad reads and was overall anti-town. Accusing him on being forced is not really a good accusation for that reason alone.

Now, let me address the comments prior to the accusation. We have a jail keep on ceejay. I'll add this for posterity, stream of consciousness is my speciality. Fuscezu also claimed healer but didn't out their healed target, which is weird because mafia know who they attacked anyway. I'll stress on this afterwards or maybe it unfolds in the following pages.

[insomnia]

Lol I forgot Insomnia was a player

how dare you speak badly of insomnia

anyway, I forgot this game was a thing tbh lol

[insomnia]

Persivul isn't town.

In what world does scum believe I have a N0 inno on them? It’s not like I could get a N0 inno as a tracker or watcher, since there wasn’t a kill. Why did he obviously believe I had a cop inno on him, if he knew that wasn’t machenically possible?

Echoing my thoughts here

[insomnia]

Insomnia is town.

Miss Kobayashi Maru (Succinct slot) is probably town too

.

ew

[insomnia]

Eh, I buy Succinct’s claim tbh. The timing of it was towny.

I nailed CJ last night, in case my vote didn’t make that clear

Why are we deflecting from this by the way? We have a confirmed scum that was jailed.

[insomnia]

Town Mirror IIRC

fuck is that

[insomnia]

I'm claiming jailkeeper.

I tried to jail blake (tris slot) last night but apparently CC over there jailed me.

So basically nobody was jailed or how does this work?

[insomnia]

Irrelephant is looking like the second scum.

Not thinking scum!irrel starts a wagon on skitter on day one knowing how good of a player she is. It would require irrel a lot of balls imo

[insomnia]

Because he'd need to expose himself to the thread and having a reflector highlighting him in that irrel / skitter exchange.

[insomnia]

Actually, now’s as good a time as any

D3 has arrived, so I can finally

dayvig: Blake

You and Vedith, I bet 100 bucks this was a fake reaction test, let's see how it plays out

[insomnia]

Fuscosco has been the voice of reason this game, I trust him to carry this game if it comes down to it.

I would leave my top four townreads alone, but ClearlyClarity should be revisited if she lives too long and my PoE is all dead.

Insomnia, lynch Persivul. You've trusted my reads before in the past, this time you can do so confidently.

Who are you

[insomnia]

Just so people don't have to hunt, I will just out since this alt is fully open anyways.

I am the new Ankamius playing account.

oh. I mean lately I've been getting better at the game and I've been lynching more and more scummies so I'll go with my reads, but if it comes down to a F3 with Persivul then I'll consider your read.

[insomnia]

No dayvig for you! No one died.

[insomnia]

Fuscosco has been the voice of reason this game, I trust him to carry this game if it comes down to it.

I would leave my top four townreads alone, but ClearlyClarity should be revisited if she lives too long and my PoE is all dead.

Insomnia, lynch Persivul. You've trusted my reads before in the past, this time you can do so confidently.

Who are you

i am slightly worried about being pocketed tbh

What happened to the Baezu - fus dynamic? Sorting Baezu would've been a hella lot easier

[insomnia]

Hence my point. Now, where's Baezu, I need some reads from her

[insomnia]

By the way, are you gonna reveal healed target? You outed without saying who you've healed. We need to confirm people, there's no reason to abstain, especially after you claimed.

But the claim was hella fast after ceejay got voted. I'm being paranoid about the jks again.

[insomnia]

you mean a 3p agenda?

[insomnia]

3p's wincon is to stay alive with mafia? This is how it works on ToS.

If that's the wincon, I don't see why he'd request to get lynched unless he's like a jester or something. I suck at roles and stuff anyway, there's too many of them and for some odd reason I suck at calling out people based on their claims if the other players claim something that's unlikely to be in the game with said role if you get what I mean.

A 3p would scum hunt as well though. They don't really have to fake any scum cases on anyone because they don't know anyone else. They come from an uninformed mentality just like town.

So I'd say he's an apathetic town just meta-wise. His push on me is totally in his town range. He always does that early with me, although it's annoying.

[insomnia]

K page 61 I'm seeing thrown shots. Having played with Persivul before I can tell you he's scummy as shit and accusing me on stupid shit is in his town range. Last time we played he had pretty bad reads and was overall anti-town. Accusing him on being forced is not really a good accusation for that reason alone.

Now, let me address the comments prior to the accusation. We have a jail keep on ceejay. I'll add this for posterity, stream of consciousness is my speciality. Fuscezu also claimed healer but didn't out their healed target, which is weird because mafia know who they attacked anyway. I'll stress on this afterwards or maybe it unfolds in the following pages.

Don't tell me you think there's any chance Persivul is town here.

Everything about how he's played this game is fake.

Tone wise and pushing wise, he's been in his town range.

[insomnia]

Scummier people are Succint who's been slanking hard just like in that awful large normal 218 game and he was scum. I'd rather lynch him today if we're going read wise.

[insomnia]

And, besides, shouldn't Percy be mechanically confirmed if Fus healed him?

But explain how the disloyal thing works for me, i'm confused

[insomnia]

Percy, what are your scum reads fam?

[insomnia]

VOTE: Succint

[insomnia]

Disloyal means that it will only work on targets that are not the same faction as you.

Then 3p is highly likely.

[insomnia]

Cap Succint's wagon at L-1 and have Percy claim his wincon + his role.

[insomnia]

However, I can say confidently that every reason I've seen to townread Persivul is not town indicative. It's very doable to fake an attack on insomnia and to go along with an inno soft.

From an objective point of view, you're more likely to see this as town. However, being subjected to a type of push that I've encountered before it makes me more likely to believe the people that push me are more likely to be town. I am obvious town as town and that's why scum often times just avoid pushing me. That's why I think Persivul, someone that doesn't post much anyway, won't do that as scum.

While I respect the veterans and what not, gaslighting Irrelephant won't do anyone better. Even good players can have bad reads. I just think lynching Succint pegs us a scum here and I think the case on Persivul is a stretch. Meta can be manipulated easily. I find Persivul a hard person to read and I have respect for him, which is why I don't want to lynch him.

I believe he should've been the N0 check like 10/10 times here.

[insomnia]

Maybe "gaslighting" isn't the right word here but you catch my drift.

[insomnia]

I know who Succinct is.

I also know that in a vacuum I would townread them, but I need to interact with them to have a confident read either way with how little they've posted.

The activity is NAI, by the way.

But isn’t this in itself scum indicative? If succinct is town, he should be towning up he thread, especially this far in the game

-bae

I don't believe so.

I only have direct experience with this alt's scumgame, but there was more than enough that was sketchy about how they played that I find it likely I will be able to tell what alignment they are with content more than just their absence.

What I've seen so far indicates that this is different than the last time I saw them, but that needs more to lock in.

So which is it after all? Scum read / Town read?

[insomnia]

However, I can say confidently that every reason I've seen to townread Persivul is not town indicative. It's very doable to fake an attack on insomnia and to go along with an inno soft.

From an objective point of view, you're more likely to see this as town. However, being subjected to a type of push that I've encountered before it makes me more likely to believe the people that push me are more likely to be town. I am obvious town as town and that's why scum often times just avoid pushing me. That's why I think Persivul, someone that doesn't post much anyway, won't do that as scum.

While I respect the veterans and what not, gaslighting Irrelephant won't do anyone better. Even good players can have bad reads. I just think lynching Succint pegs us a scum here and I think the case on Persivul is a stretch. Meta can be manipulated easily. I find Persivul a hard person to read and I have respect for him, which is why I don't want to lynch him.

I believe he should've been the N0 check like 10/10 times here.

This case is fully dependent on whether Persivul has enough experience with you to know for a fact that this is true. Barring this, there's a point to be made that Persivul didn't go very far to push this read through. If you go back and look, his push ran out of gas almost immediately when you pushed back on him. He looked to deflect the push, then ignored it until you pushed the issue, and finally asked you a disengaging question before hopping off of you entirely.

If you really pay attention to what Persivul did on his push, it's not a point that he actually pushed you. His initial point was forced, and his response betrayed that there was no actual oomph behind it in the first place. It was a fake push.

Check out Newbie 1921 I believe it was. He knows how I usually play as town. We have a few games together. Just spectating games is easy to see, when have I ever been pushed by someone during the day and they didn’t back off after doing it? I’ve never been mislynched in my entire life as town lmao

[insomnia]

Debating on an Ank / Succint team tbh. What’s the point of accusing the one that’s not even focused on you. Seems like poor distancing after he saw he’s being set up for a hammer.

Succint was in anti-spew and then dipped once again. What’s the point in scum reading someone that was basically deflecting from you, especially when you know that person is Ank, someone that heavily defends their town reads and is being pretty vocal about it as well. She’ll defend you if she feels like it. Scum reading her when you’re at L-1 despite not having any read on the slot reeks of poor distancing.

[insomnia]

Insomnia, do you believe his push isn't fakeable?

My point was even if it’s fakeable or not, it puts a spotlight on you. As it’s been demonstrated because you picked up on it. Which proves my point now, doesn’t it?

His claim comes from town 11/10 of the time.

[insomnia]

And then I said, given Persivul is a low poster, when he does post he’s more likely to be paid attention to, so picking a fight with me is almost suicidal if he were scum. You’re missing the point.

[insomnia]

Succint’s read on Fuscezu is mechanics based as well, not even a real read. Zero effort. Level 1 read.

[insomnia]

Thought I’d get a better reaction after exposing both of your asses, is this all I’m gonna get?

[insomnia]

Succint abandons his only scum read that he has no progression on to vote someone based on mechanics that has been acting town all game. Adds up.

Ank remains neutral on him until he comes back, makes 4 terrible posts and then she calls him town.

What do you know, shall we end the game?

[insomnia]

Sue me.

[insomnia]

Either way, after I lynch Succint, this accusation and the reactions I got from it will tell me something.

Usually, the people that are accused of being in a scum team tend to prove that the team isn’t a possibility. It’s natural and it’s the easiest thing to defend yourself against. This idea is so dumb from a town PoV that emotions will actually push you to defend yourself against the “prosecutor” and shove it in his ass and tell him how dumb he is. This is good because it shows frustration with the person that's pushing them, which is hard to fake as scum.

However, you defended Succint against my accusation. That tells me that I’m either right with my theory, or that you truly believed in your town read, and the most likely option out of these two will be obvious once Succint flips.

Waiting for them papers.

[insomnia]

Like changing accounts changes the way you react. You’re the same person. When you’re outed, you don’t feel an obligation to hide anymore.

[insomnia]

Because you’re no longer putting up a persona. Faking your identity.

You kind of defeated the purpose of having an alt if you’re going to out your main.

[insomnia]

Why change accounts if you say you can change your playstyle regardless?

[insomnia]

I have my own reasons to believe his claim. If he’s a self governor and used his self today, then this will shut down Ank’s mouth and furthermore will make you peeps see that Succint’s scum with her.

VOTE: Persivul

[insomnia]

That was L-1 by the way.

[insomnia]

K, I’m not letting you lose us the game.

The reason that I keep defending Persivul’s cuz I’m a bus driver and I switched Irrel with Percy on night one when Chara checked Irrelephant.

Simple mechanics, that means Percy’s the cop cleared one and not irrel

It can’t occur to me how stupid this push is after percy is legit confirmed, who would claim that as scum? I’ve never seen a self governor role thing but it sure is hard to fake, unless scum have divine powers and this game is broken, if that’s the case, pls nerf

But Percy is confirmed in my eyes. I even softed my claim yesterday in the hopes that someone would notice it and tie it with “I know Percy’s town” or something amongst those lines.

I’ll point you to it. There are no other softs of my claim because I think that’s a stupid thing to do and it can get you killed if scum have a sharp eye. I always just hard claim because of that. If someone doubts it, you can meta check. But this push is honestly bullocks.

VOTE: Blake

Here’s a better push.

[insomnia]

Maybe "gaslighting" isn't the right word here but you catch my

drift

.

No idea how nobody noticed this tbh

[insomnia]

Maybe that motivates Percy to actually play the fucking game and not slank so he can be the easiest push in history and he’s one of the players that can carry us.

[insomnia]

For me night one is the first night, language barrier.

But yeah, night one for me = night 0

N0 - Percy with Irrelephant
N1 - Percy with RCEnigma
N2 - Myself with Blake
N3 - Ceejay with Blake failed

[insomnia]

Their whole interaction pointed towards that, even though the interaction was heated and you could tell they come from different viewpoints, Chara said that they wanna read irrelephant as town even though Chara pushed him hard. Also, you could obviously tell that Chara didn’t want this to escalate to a fight in between the two, as they were constantly debriefing and trying to reach a consensus with irrelephant DESPITE coming from a place of disagreement.

If that isn’t a cop check soft than I don’t know what is. Leaving a 2 page discussion that revolved around a cop and their check that finally reaches a town read from Chara despite Irrelephant’s erratic and aggressive behaviour. It’s hard to keep your calm in situations like that as either alignment.

[insomnia]

I’m not really sure how mechanics go and I always hated this aspect of the game because there are ten thousand roles, but that is my night action. As far as I’m aware of how my actions go, if someone targets player x, they will target player y, so I don’t know if there’s motion detecting involved.

[insomnia]

My action shouldn’t affect RCE, he targets succint and then himself and then I make him target Persivul. I reckon he got the result on Persivul with the not any detection involved.

[insomnia]

I don’t get the town motivation behind jumping the gun when you have no clear information on how actions are perceived and why you wouldn’t want to discuss mechanics first.

[insomnia]

I think RCE tracked Percy and got a no detection result.

[insomnia]

Well, it boils down to this I guess.

VOTE: RCEnigma

[insomnia]

I’ve been over it and motion detector is probably here to check for my transports, so setup wise I think it makes sense. It’s just that the alignments are different.

[insomnia]

I can also go over why I picked those targets if that helps you make a decision.

[insomnia]

So the first move was made because you guys kind of talked with each other and I figured "If one's scum then they'll probably target the other" so it was more of a protection swap I guess you can call it? (Irrel - Percy)

Second move was made because RCE was suspicious and a low poster as well. Percy was one of my few town reads and so I figured protecting him by swapping with someone that's also hard to read because of his absence wouldn't do anyone bad. (Percy - RCEnigma). I also didn't want to move myself because I figured some sort of watcher or town protective would be on me for leading the wagon, so I was just looking for diversity at this point.

Third move was made ever since I started suspecting Blake and I swapped her with myself for obvious reasons. She wouldn't have killed Percy and she's more likely to attack her tunnelers . It's pretty much a no brainer, I protected myself while also aiming to make Blake shoot herself at night. (Myself - Blake)

Fourth move was made to protect one of the jail keepers from my scum read. ( Ceejay - Blake). It failed because Ceejay jailed Blake. I chose Ceejay over Clearly because I have games with him and I'm aware of his capabilities as town, so I preferred to protect him over CC who I had no meta on and didn't seem that invested in the game anyway. Not that ceejay is, but if he ends up actually trying, I'm confident he can peg some scums.

[insomnia]

The fact that Succint spotted our contradicting claims over RCE who should have memory of his n1 action is also a point to him being scum.

[insomnia]

The fact that Succint spotted our contradicting claims over RCE who should have memory of his n1 action is also a point to him being scum.

Him = RCE btw if that wasn't clear

[insomnia]

Ye
Gonna lovktown you for now because I really do struggle to read you and randomness is on my side
Nobody touch Persivul he’s our D1 IC

Persivul come vote skitter
It’s almost a real wagon and your vote will help it cross that special threshold

VOTE: skitter

@mod I’m on v/la this week

I should maybe do the v/la tags huh

VOTE: skitter

@mod I’m on v/la this week

I should maybe do the v/la tags huh

Oops this should have been a PM huh
Well whatever functionally I’ll probably still make time to show up all week tbh

The first post pinged me as self-conscious, but first post so whatever.

Talking about it AGAIN so soon...pretty sus.

It was a sort-of apology to funkybike because you pointed out something from a mod post so I read through all the words of the mod posts and i noticed the rule about PMing the mod if you’re v/la which is already done wrong
I’m also just very bored and posting anything that comes to mind
But yeah I mean if someone has to be scum on the first page I’m definitely a top 3 candidate (after Chara and insomnia) so I don’t blame you

By the 3rd post Percy already applies some early pressure which might inconvenience Irrel and might've wanted to get rid of that. Also, second vote Irrel kind of tries to get Percy by his side by asking for his backup on the skitter wagon, which makes sense from a Irrel scum pov given they share history with each other and Percy could spot him as scum.

First post also a pocketing attempt.

That's why I kinda wanted to see where the trans would lead up to.

[insomnia]

Where's the lie though? I've expressed my thought process on why I made said checks.

It's a 1 for 1 anyway so y'all can lynch me and then finish the game by lynching RCE, don't mind.

[insomnia]

Just moving this up to the same page

For me night one is the first night, language barrier.

But yeah, night one for me = night 0

N0 - Percy with Irrelephant
N1 - Percy with RCEnigma
N2 - Myself with Blake
N3 - Ceejay with Blake failed

Point being?

[insomnia]

VOTE: insomnia

Good game.

[insomnia]

Yeah, it was a dumb play by me because I fake claimed and thought of actions on the spot without really reading the thread, I was just coasting. I wanted to go over night actions with Persivul though, because I wanted to save him and I was sure he was getting pushed that day. My scum lynch and the way I would’ve fake claimed really early were factors that I was hoping you’d consider townie, because my play and defense on persivul kind of followed.

But then sneaky succint pulls out quotes out of his ass that i had no idea about lmao

I wanted to power wolf and make it to the end with Persivul as well, I wonder how it could’ve gone if I actually paid attention to what people claimed.

I hate rolling scum.

[insomnia]

Sorry that I replaced out. Glad town won! I really should have suspected Insomnia more.