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Post Post #95 (isolation #0) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:37 am

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In post 56, Firebringer wrote:ofrhz, u guys aren't gonna have even a tenth of the fun we will have. And at the end your going to request to switch over and I am gonna put a halt on all fun because no fun for u.

so yeah, this means fun war. the fun nerve has been touched.
im your ofrhz for today
my presence brings fun to the yard

is everyone having fun yet
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Post Post #96 (isolation #1) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:48 am

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In post 75, Alisae wrote:like I genuinely see no reason to care its multiball, we shitpost and do nothing for like, 3 days, and then we lynch in the pool of the lowest posters, thats how multiball goes.
oh sheeeeet, im usually in the pool of lowest posters
is winning the game usually correlated to spamming and shitposting?
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Post Post #97 (isolation #2) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:48 am

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In post 57, Firebringer wrote:This is a like when we found out luke was leia sister. Only more disgusting.
no spoilers please!
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Post Post #98 (isolation #3) » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:51 am

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In post 63, Alisae wrote:the only good star wars movie is episode 1
:igmeou:

VOTE: alisea
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Post Post #548 (isolation #4) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:32 pm

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sorry missed yesterday time to catch up
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Post Post #549 (isolation #5) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:39 pm

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In post 154, Ausuka wrote:VOTE: Irrelephant11

tbh I actually didn't realise this game was multiball :oops: I guess I should've read more.
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Post Post #550 (isolation #6) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:40 pm

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In post 102, Irrelephant11 wrote:{Me}
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{most players} - null
{Enigma}

beep boop
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Post Post #551 (isolation #7) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:47 pm

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im not sure why reading through so far the game is so toxic.... we've just started and its a game
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Post Post #552 (isolation #8) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:52 pm

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In post 199, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 191, Alisae wrote:
In post 189, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 186, Alisae wrote:Btw ausuka town
Ari town

Easiest townreads in my mafia career.
Yeah I'm
fine with these being real reads I think
you’re not going to see scum say “wait this is multiball?”
Like, they’re just not going to fake it because they’ll think they won’t get cred from it.
Its most likely coming from people who genuinely have town role pms.
I'm prepared to retract these later though if we ever see a scum role PM that doesn't mention multiball
like tbh, scum would most like know from the onset of opening their pm with the number of scum partners they have
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Post Post #553 (isolation #9) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:59 pm

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In post 248, Alisae wrote:But that like
Requires a scum to reach out to another scum
In the main thread
And then for that scum to pick up on it and agree to it
And then for town to not notice that at all

So yeah, thats not happening.
hot take, discussions like this and above are subtle signalling to other scum team
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Post Post #554 (isolation #10) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:14 pm

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In post 297, Almost50 wrote:OK, here's my tinfoil theory:

Alisae is SCUM. He couldn't have maden it any clearer than he did with & . These posts are an explicit invitation for the other scum team to work with Ali's team.

LUV could very well be scum for referencing Ice & Fire earlier, which could be him signaling to the other team indeed.

Fire claimed scum in the other game before he switched to this game )mod error fixed) and Ali took it to be a signal to him, thus he said Baezu was his p and asked FB who his p is.

That makes me unsure about Baezu. I don't know if Ali would be as ballsy as to claim his p as well, so it could be the case or it could be him establishing a strong association with a townie.

I also can't shake off the idea that Ali vs Nero was scum theatre.

In Star Wars some characters will always be town (ex: Padme/Queen Amidala) and some will always be scum (Sith Lords). Some will appear town in EP 1 and then "turn into the dark side" in EP 2 (ex: Palpatine, and arguably Skywalker), so I'd say there might be a slot or two that started off as town (EP1 role PM) and switched to be scum later (EP2 role PM).

In sum, Ali is scum. Fire/LUV/Nero/Baezu have a higher chance of containing at least 2 scums in them (if not 3).

And -of course- I have almost achieved my personal goal (not related to the win con) which is "get NK'd ny scum. :P
why steal this from me
at least you explain it much better than i possibly could have
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Post Post #555 (isolation #11) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:31 pm

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the previous 5ish pages before this quote were very meh
In post 487, Almost50 wrote:
In post 486, davesaz wrote:@a50, why do you assume teams will have the same flavor from game 1 to game 2? That seems unnecessarily easy to break. Plus many character differences from episode to episode.
Because that's what I'd do if I'm designing a game like this one. There are characters that do switch alignment between Ep 1 & Ep 2, so those are the ones to use to increase the scum count from -say- 3 in Ep 1 (single scum faction) to 4 (2 scum factions).

I can't be sure about 3P (may or may not in both episodes) because -maybe- we have one in Ep 1 that is different than the one in Ep 2 still.

Are you telling me you got 2 different flavors in your 2 role pms? Because we didn't. We got the same character, so I am assuming this is the case for most if not all.
yeh, im was confused with all your flavor speculation
like we have two non-related characters as our role pms, not sure how others are
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Post Post #556 (isolation #12) » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:36 pm

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i caught up to myself yay

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a50, ausuka, nero, insomnia

havent got an opinion on others

happy with my earlier vote still
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Post Post #649 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:56 am

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In post 634, Ausuka wrote:That take's pretty cold at this point.
Ok so, I had this thought at first as well and even said so to RCE actually, but it's actually not a good read. Assuming reasonable alignment sizes, apart from Alisae and their partner, there are 13 players in the game, 2 of which are otherscum. Alisae, as signalling scum, would have to literally assume that one of the other scumteam would catch it, and ONLY a member of the other scumteam would catch it. For them to be scum signalling, they would have to have not thought this through at all. Additionally, judging by the comments they made earlier, I think Alisae's reaction to rolling scum would be more like "sweet easy win let's just lynch the other scumteam then win" rather than being antagonistic towards a lot of people the way they are.
yeh opps i was just posting as i was catching up and hadnt read the rest of the thread when i saw that
so that thought (signalling too blatant) also crossed my mind, but then i thought alisae would probably be someone who would do such blatant wifom play
like there is no town motivation for trying coaching scum on their how they should play their scum game
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Post Post #857 (isolation #14) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:00 pm

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In post 650, Ausuka wrote:
In post 649, Enigma wrote:
In post 634, Ausuka wrote:That take's pretty cold at this point.
Ok so, I had this thought at first as well and even said so to RCE actually, but it's actually not a good read. Assuming reasonable alignment sizes, apart from Alisae and their partner, there are 13 players in the game, 2 of which are otherscum. Alisae, as signalling scum, would have to literally assume that one of the other scumteam would catch it, and ONLY a member of the other scumteam would catch it. For them to be scum signalling, they would have to have not thought this through at all. Additionally, judging by the comments they made earlier, I think Alisae's reaction to rolling scum would be more like "sweet easy win let's just lynch the other scumteam then win" rather than being antagonistic towards a lot of people the way they are.
yeh opps i was just posting as i was catching up and hadnt read the rest of the thread when i saw that
so that thought (signalling too blatant) also crossed my mind, but then i thought alisae would probably be someone who would do such blatant wifom play
like there is no town motivation for trying coaching scum on their how they should play their scum game
If this is the case, what's the point of signalling at all? If you think you're going to convince the town it's all a trick, you'd obviously be convincing the other scumteam too, right?
i dont think that you'd obviously be convincing the other scumteam, because each scumteam is actively looking for the other
town just wants to find scum, and at this stage doesnt care which team

the motivations between town and each scum team are different
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Post Post #858 (isolation #15) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:02 pm

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In post 641, Ausuka wrote:
In post 556, Enigma wrote:trs
nero
Why?
i forgot, maybe itll come back to me
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Post Post #860 (isolation #16) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:06 pm

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In post 677, Alisae wrote:I'm done having fun I'm making this game a fucking toxic shithole because of fucking shitters scumfuck shitters like insomnia and nero cain that just bully me and bully me and all I can fuckign do to respond is panic because I can't fucking handle being a major wagon because no one wants to fucking listen to me

I'm done and I'm ruining everyone's enjoyment out of the game

fuck everyone
no more fun for everyone
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Post Post #862 (isolation #17) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:07 pm

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In post 860, Enigma wrote:
In post 677, Alisae wrote:I'm done having fun I'm making this game a fucking toxic shithole because of fucking shitters scumfuck shitters like insomnia and nero cain that just bully me and bully me and all I can fuckign do to respond is panic because I can't fucking handle being a major wagon because no one wants to fucking listen to me

I'm done and I'm ruining everyone's enjoyment out of the game

fuck everyone
no more fun for everyone
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just rep out if you are not having fun :/
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Post Post #863 (isolation #18) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:10 pm

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In post 699, Alisae wrote:if ANYONE would be paying attention
they would know that I am being town
im paying attention! kinda
do you mean "am town" or "am being town"
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Post Post #866 (isolation #19) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:16 pm

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In post 865, davesaz wrote:
In post 862, Enigma wrote:just rep out if you are not having fun :/
Just a fyi we're not supposed to post things like this any more, see the rules update.
whoops, sorry didnt know
its just incredibly irritating to read the exchange and players saying they want to ruin the game for others
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Post Post #935 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:49 am

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In post 870, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 858, Enigma wrote:
In post 641, Ausuka wrote:
In post 556, Enigma wrote:trs
nero
Why?
i forgot, maybe itll come back to me
:?:
it was the impression i got from catching up, maybe the exchange with alisae
but now looking back i cant quite see what it was
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Post Post #936 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:58 am

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In post 877, Ausuka wrote:But, like, Baezu's scumgame just isn't as bad as Creature's used to be. And I think that Baezu is town.

Okay so let me expand on the meta point Dave made about Baezu. Baezu, as town, is usually massive lynchbait and says weird things with an awkward tone, but is kind of relaxed at the same time. Baezu, as scum, is stiff and feels much more purposeful, feeling more obligated to justify her regular vote-hops. She doesn't have literally no clue how to play scum, she's actually better than me at it. Her meta would definitely seem to apply here as the multiball game below was much more similar to her scumgames than her towngames. I'll give some examples and you can tell me if you disagree.
yeh actually i agree
1. i have the impression that she really hates playing scum
2. once she is not afk, i think she is quite easy to sort

ftr im not town or scum reading her rn, im just saying that she is easy to read as the game progresses
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Post Post #937 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:02 am

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In post 926, Emperor flippyNips wrote:Hmmm. I don’t really trust alisae but i am wanting to trust ausuka. Which makes me indifferent about the elephant in the room.
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Post Post #938 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:05 am

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In post 934, Nero Cain wrote:just b/c Baezu is lynchbait doesn't mean she can't be scum. FMPOV her "ok, I'll sheep" is just blatantly scum opportunistically bandwagoning me. She needs to come in and explain her vote.
baezu was lynch bait in the last town game i had with her, playing exactly like how she is now

that being said, its incredibly hard to read without her response so ill reserve my thoughts for now
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #24) » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:45 am

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Hi sorry prododge
I’m travelling for work be back in 24 hrs
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #25) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:35 am

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In post 942, Irrelephant11 wrote:Splitting this wall into multiple posts:
In post 308, insomnia wrote:Yeah, looking back, Irrel’s chainsaw was pretty shit to be honest.

The emotion behind the posts was over the top and therefore fake.
It was early game, I was looking for something to push, didn't really believe it myself.
In post 320, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are following the other game intensely. It’s not by any means going to help your team win. Sure it’s nice to have someone to bounce reads off of, but in my experience, it’s very hard to stay engaged if you’re not actually playing.
I'll be passing this post on to my partner as something I don't think a member of a T/T pair would say.
ok these posts are off
the early game justification is seems like a weak back track

the 2nd part is also awkward, especially in terms of associatives
irrel seems to be implying that he thinks luv pair is t/s or s/s. yet irrel doesn't actually push luv (or mention luv really in his iso) or follow up on this. reading from that, it feels that irrel knows the alignment of luv, but is reluctant to do anything about it
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #26) » Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:39 am

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ehh caught up

VOTE: elephant
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Post Post #1196 (isolation #27) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:22 am

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hi

ofrhz read this game and these are their reads

insomnia, ausuka, a50, baezu, dave
pp, ari, emperor
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nero, luv, worm, fire
ele, alisae
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Post Post #1197 (isolation #28) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:22 am

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lemme read a bit
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Post Post #1201 (isolation #29) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:34 am

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In post 942, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 320, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are following the other game intensely. It’s not by any means going to help your team win. Sure it’s nice to have someone to bounce reads off of, but in my experience, it’s very hard to stay engaged if you’re not actually playing.
I'll be passing this post on to my partner as something I don't think a member of a T/T pair would say.
ofrhz asked krazy about creature's alignment, and krazy said (post 826) that elephant hasnt mentioned anything about the creature/luv pair
In post 1091, Irrelephant11 wrote:This post is a joke.
An early game push being bad is your scumcase of me? I was trying to get something beyond "Alisae and Nero don't like each other" going, saw a post that gave me a mild scum-ping, and voted insomnia for it. Then he pointed out that that post had context, and the vote became pointless. What about chasing an early feeling for a minute is scummy? why would scum!me immediately back down off insomnia (it's not like I know he's town if I'm scum... because multiball, hello)
2. I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to go into my reads of the opposing game but the short version is the LUV post seemed much more indicative of LUV's partner's alignment than LUV's own alignment.
Is enigma an elephant lyncher because he's had it out for me ever since I scumleaned him for a half second on page like 6
1. im not saying that you chasing an early feeling is scummy, im saying how you responded and tried to justify it felt off (an i did something which could have been interpreted as scummy, and i knew it was scummy, but dont scum read it for me)
2. no i just think you are scum, and i havent had it out for you until my reread of the game a few rl days ago. also iirc you are still scumreading me, but you havent really explained it

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i feel my reads align with ofrhz's reads quite a bit, and i do think alisae and elephant are both scum (maybe opposing)
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Post Post #1204 (isolation #30) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:03 am

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In post 1202, Irrelephant11 wrote:grr not sure why I didn't get to add any comments when I clicked "Reply" but

yeah, what?
Does ofrhz think this is what a me/Alisae w/w or maf/w interaction would look like
Like if I were scum who was convinced Alisae was scum signaling and nobody caught my crumb for a long time why wouldn't I just assume I'd successfully signaled and move along
If I were scum on a team with Alisae I definitely wouldn't hard bus D1

The only thing that makes me feel like Alisae might be town is the hovering at L-3, but imo hovering at L-3 is something that happens to scum when scum don't want to kill scum and something that happens to town when town aren't convinced to mislynch. I don't know which it is here
I would join an alternative wagon if there were a good one, for the sake of wagons

But also I'm kinda just feeling like Alisae is caught scum who can't think of a good fake claim

pedit: ohhh that's why Krazy was like "wait was this about Creature" just recently
lol believe what you will but I did share it with him

enigma the main reasons I'm not town leaning you rn is [low activity] + [OMGUSing me early on] + [not feeling especially solve-y]
like you've provided reads lists multiple times without much explanation. why should I be town reading you?
its more the conclusion irrel + alisae is likely not TvT
reading both you and alisae separately, i get scum feels
the interaction between both of you have resulted in both of you being viable lynch targets today, and i feel like there is an element of survival in both of you attacking each other
the most logical conclusion is that you could be on separate scum teams
In post 942, Irrelephant11 wrote:In post 320, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I’m not sure why some of you are following the other game intensely. It’s not by any means going to help your team win. Sure it’s nice to have someone to bounce reads off of, but in my experience, it’s very hard to stay engaged if you’re not actually playing.

I'll be passing this post on to my partner as something I don't think a member of a T/T pair would say.
the reason i found that this quote from you off was because it was not a thought process that i (or ofrhz) was going through with this pairing mechanic. like i havent been actively looking for hints of t/s, s/s, t/s in player pairs in this game, but rather reading the other game and sharing my thoughts here and there. the way you posted 942 seemed like a way to score town credit in your catch up, but it seemed like you werent actually interested in finding scum because you haven't interacted with luv, nor have we seen any evidence of you telling krazy to look into this
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #31) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:08 am

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In post 1202, Irrelephant11 wrote:enigma the main reasons I'm not town leaning you rn is [low activity] + [OMGUSing me early on] + [not feeling especially solve-y]
like you've provided reads lists multiple times without much explanation. why should I be town reading you?
my activity is just terrible lately just busy with irl, plus im pretty lazy d1 anyways
ehh i dont think im omgusing you, like i said earlier i only started thinking you were scum a few days ago based on my reread with my reasons explained 1073. and this is outside of the interaction between you and alisae
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Post Post #1207 (isolation #32) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:18 am

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In post 1206, Irrelephant11 wrote:Pedit: was your
[enigma]
[everyone]
[elephant]

reads list early on serious or a joke
oh i forgot about that read list
it was mostly an omgus and somewhat joke reply mimicking your reads list, but it did get me to pay more attention to your posts because i didnt know why you put me at the bottom of your reads (considering i wasnt doing much) and you didnt explain it
im also pretty much like you and i kinda forget about half the player list during d1 in a large
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Post Post #1208 (isolation #33) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:20 am

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In post 1206, Irrelephant11 wrote:I did indeed tell Krazy to look into it, but what I said was "here's a post from LUV I thought might matter for your game" and it didn't compute for him what to do with the information until today
I was under the impression I couldn't try to say HEY OTHER GAME LUV'S PARTNER MIGHT BE SCUM" because we're playing two separate games so I presented it as information for this game to think about, even though it was really information for the other game. I wanted other people with town partners to notice it because my partner is town and I want him to win (I've since seen much more blatant cross-game analysis so apparently I was being cautious with Boon's rules when it didn't actually matter).
this makes me think you and krazy didnt get a town/town pair
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Post Post #1210 (isolation #34) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:22 am

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ehh sorry would love to keep chatting but time to sleep, will be back tomorrow
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #35) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:43 pm

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Hi Alisae
Bodyguard is not listed on the boonytoonz guidelines
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Post Post #1224 (isolation #36) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:59 pm

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we got a characcter name and face for both role pms for our pair
i got a nobody :(
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #37) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:13 pm

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ive been scum reading ali most of the game, so i dont need to be convinced
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #38) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:22 pm

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In post 1227, Almost50 wrote:You're not voting him now though!
i will later if necessary
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #39) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:39 pm

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lemme hammer lemme hammer!
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #40) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:39 pm

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VOTE: alisae
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #41) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:42 pm

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In post 1236, Firebringer wrote:enigma, alisae hammered emself.
WHATTTT
IM NO LONGER HAVING FUN
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #42) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:44 pm

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fire pls unvote so i can have the hammer
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Post Post #1242 (isolation #43) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:46 pm

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im very disappointed in you
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Post Post #1273 (isolation #44) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:54 pm

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This a50 Alisae discourse is awful
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #45) » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:54 pm

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See you in the hydra game Alisae
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