Micro 877: Liars and Millers

[the worst]

Micro 877
Liars and Millers

Modded and Designed by Psyche

Playerlist

OkaPoka
CheekyTeeky
Saudade
northsidegal
Pine
the worst
AzoriusSenate
Skygazer
Ircher

Spoiler: Alive

OkaPoka
CheekyTeeky
Saudade
northsidegal
Pine
the worst
AzoriusSenate
Skygazer
Ircher

Spoiler: Dead

My grandpa since 2002.

Votecounts and Happenings

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.1

If someone wants to counter my case or hold my hand on this I'd appreciate it a tonne.

[Skygazer]

oka's shift to ircher is a big ??? to me but i feel like he likes to wagon and tends to gut SR players for surface-level scummy things so it's not super ??? just the biggest question mark is why he specifically mentioned ircher tends to be incorrectly SR'd in fast paced environments and then going on to SR Ircher in this fast paced environment

now that i talk about it more i guess it could be kind of pockety -> deciding ircher would be an easy vote but that's just one progressions

oka's tunnel on me is p bad/doesnt make a lot of sense and i feel like that kinda progression is more likely to come from town oka bc if he was scum he wouldn't have to make a huge case like that to justify slipping onto my wagon

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't think oka tries to get me/saudade lynched as scum early game. He'd be a lot more tactful about his pushes and probably try pocketing us instead.

It's basically too scummy to be scum.

[Skygazer]

tw can you quote ur oka case? continuous iso skimming is draining lol

[the worst]

This is a long list of little pings with one tell which makes my skin crawl a lil

ok looks like we are just lynching millers for the rest of this game lolllll

Response to the 5 miller claims is tonally more opportunistic than e.g. sausage's. not a big deal but he's also messaging a fair bit slower slower (if there's a language barrier I apologise extremely profusely but I think English is oka's first language and won't speak for saudade) which means his posting at this point is likely to be more considered.

Out of 3?? Did godfather claim miller like an idiot?

so is this u calling out ur gf friend or not

I love little snide comments like this early-game but it's a bit shady and super unrelatable, like as you all now know I had the polar opposite impression from Saudade's posting at the time :/

whoever fucked up just out urself plz

after we win we can demand a reroll

this is p tonally off-putting

if its cheeky + saudade ill laugh

This is fine and pretty funny (I'd thought the same thing for a flash second) but like he.....actually thinks this is a thing. Like he unironically comes back to this later. This is firstly a ridiculous read. Secondly, if you are tinfoiling a powerwolf dynamic duo this hard you do not make some of the posts Oka goes on to make.

VOTE: skygazer

whats up gang

i want to be a part of something too!

opportunistic 3rd vote on wagon popin
note no prior mention of Skyg in his ISO and he fails spectacularly to try and sort or do anything with her later?

what do we call this? free hugs for anyone who guesses where I'm going

why is ircher scummy ;-;

he always gets scumread in marathon games and this is marathon game with longer deadlines

soft defence of ircher is fine

i am confused at how u are arriving at these reads but i guess the real question is

how do u have reads already

pedit: nsg i think we lynch in miller pool !

but he has no reads
despite saud/ct powerwolf duo concerns and soft defending ircher

Which makes me think saud/ct post was a meme and his soft defence of ircher was illegitimate/posting for the sake of looking like he had a stance

nah

lynching within miller pool first is always optimal unless you can guarantee like a >70% chance scumreading someone first try (i made up that number but the point stands, it should be very unlikely to the point where its not worth it)

he talks about this so fucking much I'm gonna omit all the mentions bc like half of my notes is just times he's talked about lynching millers. he's mechgaming constantly despite the fact he's spectacularly failing to sort any of the millers and I don't see how anyone thinks he's like... town parsing this lynching strategy.....

tbh my reads are as follows:

okapoka - town

everyone else - has a 75% of being town

pine probs town for having same thoughts as me tho

ha ha my reads are rand
+ concern with soft defence of ircher
another post supporting that he realizes saud/ct scumteam is a meme

ircher, u think cheeky is town for that meme of a play?

question to ircher would be solid if he was townreading ircher but he like explicitly isn't

it would be solid if he was concerned about cheekyteeky but he's transparently spending no time trying to sort or case her

I appreciate this is all fluffy but I've cut out the entirely fluffy posts in his iso. He's making noises and taking stances but he's not advancing the gamestate and he has no like tangible reads.

if this were a normal game id lynch cheeky
but
millers go first

liars go second

then this comes!! and he's concerned about cheekyteeky powerwolf and yet all of the above is a thing


hold on a sec

ircher ur insane

response to spectating ircher townslip
compare again to sausage whose response was hilarious and towny

i think tw is more likely to be town than saudade/cheeky

instantly qualified by him being concerned because I'm a miller claim
.....

positive vibes

key to success for town

trolling ircher

immediate readslist

positive vibes while not exclusively shitposting

gamestate is too advanced for these kinds of tells and I think I've done markedly more towny stuff at this point

meanwhile cheeky+saudade are trying to steamroll

and steamrolling is powerwolf move

ya

later is him responding to me being like "wow am I the only person who thinks it's saud/ct?"

like

he thinks two of the strongest voices itt are the scumteam
yet he wants us to believe he has no reads and he has like... no presence

the amount of disconnect here is incredible

also at this point I had done the sausage ISO thing and been like "ohshit yeah sausage is obviously town".....i think it's kinda bizarre he's looked at sausage's posting and gone "POWERWOLF!!" on principle but the fact he seems totally unconcerned with the prospect is quintuply pingy

ill admit maybe tring the worst is too far

but there isnt a reason to scumread him ?!

hedging here is kinda hilarious. I think he's kinda hit a point where he realizes playing off the cheeky/sausage/tw thing is gonna do nothing except possibly? secure my mislynch if town is stupid? if he's thought about it and it's gonna take a lot more work than anticipated so he's gone from having us as his strongest apparent reads to not feeling like he can have a read on us

i mean lynching charismatic people for charisma is something ive done in the past before

i dont do it anymore

someone teach me how to get strong reads this early

again his takes so far have been extremely poignant and I find it bizarre that he doesn't feel he can have strong reads this game.... the gamestate is so advanced at this point

i still feel bad for possibly tunneling nancy out of this site

this whole "I don't wanna give reads because I'll tunnel" thing on top of "I'm tunnelling all the miller claims" is like a brilliant charicature of scumposting

i was worried oka was scum until he started SRing me

i think im getting town vibes from him in the same vein of newsroom

honestly this post is what sticks out the most to me from skygazer iso

i dont see how im close to me in newsroom

so i am perplexed

this post stood out to me the most as well but largely for completely different reasons. he doesn't really seem all that interested in sorting Skyg he's like.. responding to the question for the sake of responding to the question.. let's say he's a bit pinged by it, Skyg is concerning him and he's kinda stopped pushing the {CT,Saud} thing or trying to paint me in any kind of light...

VOTE: nsg
lets make a wagon choo choo

how the fuck does he end up pressuring nsg the pre-stated low profile player here rather than skygazer?

if anyone picks up where I'm going with this hmu

because we need clears and lynching within vt pool runs the risk of hitting cop which is bad because cop is ic basically

more of this shit

Hmm.TW the problem is that Oka is actually a great scum player. I don't think he makes those mistakes as scum?

oka is a consistently good scum player
not a consistently great scum player

he freezes up in crazy fast gamestates where he can carry a kind of presence as town

nsg's express mafia is a great example, I scummed with him. I don't think he can wolf well under this kind of pressure (who can?)

cool story bro but hes not a miller claim so you wont be getting much information from this push

no longer valid

we have 4p in each block + cheeky in the nonmiller block

it's not +ev to lynch into the miller pool anymore. we pick a pool and shoot into it. I'm not quite done sorting the miller pool yet so you get what I got

[the worst]

I spent an entire lunch break mobileposting that :'<

[Skygazer]

ty sorry ive missed a lot

[Saudade]

you're a cunning litlte duck aren't ya

[the worst]

wai yes

[Ircher]

(I'm still here. Sometimes, it is better to interact. Other times, it is better to sit back and observe the thread. I have been doing the latter the last two days.)

Also, can Saudade, Skygazer, and northsidegal towncase themselves? I'd appreciate it. (the worst could as well, but I'm pretty confident in town!duckling right now.)

[AzoriusSenate]

Hmm nsg/senate actually makes a lot of sense

How so? We're both in the miller list. I don't think we can both be scum at the same time just based on simple logic.

[AzoriusSenate]

Hmm nsg/senate actually makes a lot of sense

How so? We're both in the miller list. I don't think we can both be scum at the same time just based on simple logic.

Brain fart, I'm definitely not a miller. But I'd still like to understand why you think I'd be with NSG.

[AzoriusSenate]

but OkaPoka has >rand chance of scum and cop claimed anyway, so does it matter?

I like to think of my vote as a powerful weapon and only use it when I want something. Right now my vote on OkaPoka wouldn't get me what I want, which is more reads from northsidegal.

that's interesting to me. why me in particular? what about pine?

on the subject of lynching millers vs vts given cheeky's claim, given the chance that she's doing the MU thing where you fakeclaim cop as cover i think it still makes sense to lynch in the millers.

not explaining my nsg read is intentional and tactful tho

(just so you know, if you're trying something where you wait to see if i question you for giving me an easy townread, mathdino tried that one and it didn't work. i guess i'm interested in your reasoning but i usually don't think townreads on me are unwarranted because i usually feel like i've towntold.)

as far as i can see this is like the only interaction nsg has had with azor and i don't see any reads on him from her

I think looking for partner interactions today is a pretty weak read. I'd prefer if you attacked the way I'm playing the game, not who I am talking to.

[OkaPoka]

lots of words being said but i dont really see a point in changing anything unless we are seriously considering lynching outside of sky/me

and seriously i mean at least 3 people can consensus scumread someone

[Ircher]

Oka, if you are town, do stuff.

[OkaPoka]

what do you want to see lol

[Ircher]

(If you are scum, you can continue doing nothing and allow yourself to be lynched. Your choice.)

Pedit: A reads list would be a good starting point. Doesn't have to be in-depth--one-liners suffice for each read.

[Ircher]

A genuine reads list mind you, not one that basically amounts to "I'm town from my point of view and everyone else has rand% chance of being scum."

[Saudade]

(I'm still here. Sometimes, it is better to interact. Other times, it is better to sit back and observe the thread. I have been doing the latter the last two days.)

Also, can Saudade, Skygazer, and northsidegal towncase themselves? I'd appreciate it. (the worst could as well, but I'm pretty confident in town!duckling right now.)

Nah

[OkaPoka]

miller list:

top scum:
saudade - tunneling is too easy to do as scum and needs no nuance in actual play, all surface
nsg - taking a wk on skygazer + little content during the explosive phases = needs flips to sort here. but nsg has set herself up very well if its a skygazer town flip
skygazer - on one hand i can sympathize with defeatism and lack of motivation to play this game because i feel somewhat the same being scumread by like everyone. on the other hand, shitposting -> self voting -> quickly unvoting seems a little too close to theater. im actually seeing rc from newsroom vibes from this play. rc was town but still.
the worst - his case on me felt a little strange and trying to push existing momentum + insistency that saudade is town based on suspect reasoning imo, but then again he's doing a lot of protown things by trying to move discussion forward so i actually like him

non miller list:
top scum:
ircher - partially PoE, also case on me is just strange. looked at one game to come to the conclusion that i favor mechanics as a scum player when he was in that game and should know that mechanics was kinda necessary when scumbuddy had claimed doc in newbie and i had to help defend my buddy that game, mechanics was just the best tool to defend him. should be pretty evident at least early on that miller lynching > non miller lynching, it isnt advanced theory.
pine - i guess insta townreading him from mind meld may have been too eager to jump the gun because of his hiding this game while game has basically zoomed in on me n skygazer so he doesnt need to do anything. but he's not as well positioned as a scum!nsg to dominate.
azorious - probably the only person in this game with nuanced reads and refusal to hardpush things and accelerate the game more than it needs to be accelerated. so yeah i tr this because even tho he is being tr, it doesnt set him up to take control of the game as scum post d1/


me n cheeky left out for obvious reasons

alright i can rest now since my reads dont match like anyone else's lol

[Saudade]

Thats because you are scum with skygazer pal

[OkaPoka]

ok then

[Ircher]

Who said you were done?

I find your Saudade read pretty interesting... I did some research on Saudade and found that he's pretty loud and obnoxious regardless of alignment (no offense intended). He seems more than capable of tunneling people both as town and as scum. While I can't say I townread him rn (my townreads do, so I'll take them at their word for now), I also haven't seen anything that seems particularly scum-motivated. Can you go into more depth on what you see in Saudade's ISO that makes him your strongest scumread?

Also, w/ regards of my read on you--the meta part was more of a sanity check rather than the primary part of my read on you. I am well aware that a sample size of 1 is practically useless to make any useful observations other than getting a feel for playstyle. I apologize if I made you think otherwise; I guess it did take up a lot of space in my reads list compared to the rest of my read. That said, your focus on mechanics throughout the day still stands as a major part as why I'm scumreading you. Some other aspects include the fact that up until now, you have done nothing useful this game (which combined with your focus on "don't lynch me cuz of mechanics" looks really bad) as well as the way you reacted when others and I questioned you earlier in the game.

[Saudade]

Packing up my entire play to just the sky tunnel is dishonest and a misrep.
You are lucky you are not in the miller list pal

[Saudade]

Im like one of the only three players who actively show signs of intent to solve the game properly