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Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Tue May 21, 2019 7:43 am

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I have some thoughts for strategy on this but I will need time to clearly delineate them. Expect this tomorrow. Basically, there are two schools of thought with the party that are optimal if I get the rules correctly.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Tue May 21, 2019 7:48 am

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In post 12, Skygazer wrote:i think the obvious strat would be to sequester strong townreads/players away to keep them safe

am interested in hearing the other one
Yes. That's the obvious one.

The other is to use the sequestering as an alignment tool.

Keep the groups even and play it like mastermind/minesweeper.
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Post Post #17 (isolation #2) » Tue May 21, 2019 8:03 am

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*shrug* Don't care about your opening.

I want to put the details behind each one. We may change mid stream. Ideally, the groups should be as close to even. One is just random.
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Post Post #52 (isolation #3) » Tue May 21, 2019 6:16 pm

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In post 18, Hell Knight wrote:can a person ever be removed from the party? Does that take consensus?
Parties are re-elected daily right?
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Post Post #68 (isolation #4) » Wed May 22, 2019 10:04 am

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In post 53, schadd_ wrote:you can only add people and they never get removed
This changes things. I need to reassess.
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Post Post #101 (isolation #5) » Thu May 23, 2019 5:25 pm

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I'll try to give this game more attention later.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #6) » Fri May 24, 2019 3:10 am

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We should still do the fifty fifty.

We can then have two pools off scum to hunt in.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #7) » Fri May 24, 2019 9:30 am

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In post 138, Kirari Momobami wrote:Not sure how I feel about Eirika using RC as a shield in given he apparently flaked on the game.
Not sure what this means
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Post Post #197 (isolation #8) » Sat May 25, 2019 3:49 pm

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Howdy

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Post Post #205 (isolation #9) » Sat May 25, 2019 4:28 pm

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In post 204, Fuscosco wrote:Titus' one true flaw is to fail to achieve legendary status; she lacks that mystique. she continues to need to prove herself; no?
Lol Haha I am a motherfucking legend. Just not on d1.

My strategy and VCA are the shit.
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Post Post #216 (isolation #10) » Sun May 26, 2019 2:58 am

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In post 207, Michael Scott wrote:
In post 176, The Renais Twins wrote:HEAL: TRT, Mary Saotome, PP
This heal (two hard-to-read players, one objectively scummy) is bad and scummy.
Also note that a single vote on a heal gives it a chance at being selected in this setup; we need to collectively co-operate and agree to either vote the majority heal, or not at all to ensure the consensus goes through.
In post 198, Michael Scott wrote:Titus, I think sending half the people on D1 is a bad idea, given that if we have 4 town in the Party it's auto (as long as we lynch outside it).
Titus, why don't you have a response to this? What are the benefits of this school of thought as opposed to sequestering away consensus townreads and not lynching from the party? Who do you want to lynch, and what are your reads?

Pedit: Kirari, let's talk reads?

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I do. I'm just tired of being ignored while I mention the correct play here.

The odds of having four town in the party aren't high. I'd rather win by winning. By creating two pools, scum must worry about the auto loss condition in two groups. By making the pools random, scum have a remote chance of auto loss anyway.

As for reads, filtering wrong from scum takes time. So I'm slow rolling this. I also want a VC to compare strategy arguments to votes.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #11) » Sun May 26, 2019 9:06 am

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In post 220, Michael Scott wrote:It's perfectly reasonable for someone who doesn't think it's the correct play to ask you why it is the correct play.
The odds of having four town in the party from purely random selection is around 33%. (11C4 / 14C4)
The fact that townreads are easier to form through the days, along with the fact that some slots are well readable would increase these chances.
I don't get the auto-loss condition you're talking about - perhaps I'm dumb, could you please explain how auto-loss would work when you create two pools?

Meh I felt like I went over this before.

The whole point people want a pure party is to negate the scumkilling townies. Over time, who is townie can change though.

If the pools are even, then whichever pool scum kill in, they run the risk of getting an unkillable pool.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #12) » Sun May 26, 2019 9:07 am

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For the record, TRT's strategy seems the least stupid out of the options.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #13) » Sun May 26, 2019 9:17 am

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Enh?
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Post Post #244 (isolation #14) » Sun May 26, 2019 10:30 am

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TRT, convince me to care about this game. Why aren't you following the right path?
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Post Post #252 (isolation #15) » Sun May 26, 2019 2:02 pm

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In post 249, duppin wrote:I don't really know what to make of TRT or Titus yet. I'm getting the impression they aren't that interested in the game.
Hyperpost Titus is dead for ages.
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Post Post #312 (isolation #16) » Mon May 27, 2019 10:24 am

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I still am not a fan of anything beyond 50/50 random. If no one joins me close to the lynch, I will pick the least bad option.

We need to stop talking about it though. #hypocrite

Does anyone TR HK?
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Post Post #335 (isolation #17) » Mon May 27, 2019 5:00 pm

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I don't understand the housepet strat at all?
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Post Post #342 (isolation #18) » Mon May 27, 2019 7:55 pm

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In post 341, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 237, Titus wrote:For the record, TRT's strategy seems the least stupid out of the options.
In post 244, Titus wrote:TRT, convince me to care about this game. Why aren't you following the right path?
In post 312, Titus wrote:I still am not a fan of anything beyond 50/50 random. If no one joins me close to the lynch, I will pick the least bad option.

We need to stop talking about it though. #hypocrite

Does anyone TR HK?
In post 335, Titus wrote:I don't understand the housepet strat at all?
Considering TRT's strategy was house pets, what's with this dissonance in your posts @Titus? You say it's the least stupid, then that he isn't following the right path, then that you're not a fan of anything beyond 50/50, then that you don't even understand house pets.

Scum alert! Scum alert!

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Post Post #350 (isolation #19) » Tue May 28, 2019 1:51 am

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In post 344, Inbred Lannisters wrote:@Titus, Please explain why you are so convinced that a completely random 50-50 split, with no attempt to separate scummy players from obvtown players, is better than all of the other proposed strategies, such as "house pets" (i.e., sending only scummy players to the party to separate them from obvtown players).

- Cersei Lannister (Volxen)
Sure.

A simply random matchup removes any possibility of scum charisma in the game. Scum have an inherent advantage to look town early or scummy in case of house pet strategy. They also have 3 votes even before agency capture. The odds of getting a completely clean pool are near zilch.

Now, if the pools are completely random then we have 2 possibilities. One, the pools already establish a clean room forcing scum's lynch preferences. Two, scum are divided.

If scum are divided, they have zero control over who is mislynchable in each pool. They can't protect weaker members.

For case in point, I am weaker early because of no votes to go off of for VCA. (And this game really hasn't had much lynch voting to read). Scum could naturally put me in the more punchable pool early to protect weaker partners.

This is part of why I think HK is town. This isn't because of anything they did but no one is protecting him.
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Post Post #352 (isolation #20) » Tue May 28, 2019 4:39 am

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In post 351, Edgar Allan Foe wrote:Much engage, such wow, Titus.

Where's the stone cold lawyer who tells the cop off for pulling her over for a light out? You'd normally salivate being directly challenged on effectively being accused of dragging your heels.

Did she die with the color green?
Who are you? *creeped out*

I don't think I mentioned I was a lawyer in this thread. I also never told a cop off in such a manner?

I kinda am dragging a bit. I need to see wagons to get a picture.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #21) » Tue May 28, 2019 5:03 am

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Were you in the car when I got pulled over at Titus meet?
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Post Post #356 (isolation #22) » Tue May 28, 2019 5:07 am

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In post 355, Edgar Allan Foe wrote:
In post 354, Titus wrote:Were you in the car when I got pulled over at Titus meet?
Possibly. But let's not focus on who I am, let's focus on what we're doing here.
I only ask because you and I have a wildly different definition of told off if that's the case.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #23) » Tue May 28, 2019 5:28 am

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In post 357, PenguinPower wrote:I think I like the "house pet" strat, but I am against anything that requires me wearing a bowtie.
I'll be the formal Penguin.
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Post Post #406 (isolation #24) » Tue May 28, 2019 1:11 pm

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In post 401, Fuscosco wrote:Aye so lets kill Titus, Bobert, Sky, And maaaaybe mary. I remember disliking them but not for any specific post.
We'lll talk after ~ongoing~ ends.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #25) » Tue May 28, 2019 1:16 pm

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In post 407, RedPanda wrote:I agree with Mary. lynching lurkers on the first day is a bad idea. It just helps mafia.

Also someone please tell me who RC is.

I have a slight town read on duppin for post 249

I'm just gonna skim through the next few pages.


I'm gonna once again echo not sending anyone to party is a terrible strategy and sending too many is also a terrible strategy. If you are town get your head out of your ass and start thinking. Stupid isn't a defense. All you're doing is clouding reads.
RC is a TRT head.

Also, I have a strong beat on who you are already. I'll keep it to myself bro as that's what you'd want.

Your persuasion and strategy skills need work. I'm weakly TRing you though due to these failures.
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Post Post #413 (isolation #26) » Tue May 28, 2019 1:21 pm

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Not who I thought you were then.

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Post Post #416 (isolation #27) » Tue May 28, 2019 1:25 pm

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I thought you were Mathblade.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #28) » Tue May 28, 2019 2:21 pm

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The next person who talks about meta theory owes me a drink or I'm voting them. It's hard to find town when everyone pursues the wrong plans.
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Post Post #429 (isolation #29) » Tue May 28, 2019 2:33 pm

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In post 428, PenguinPower wrote:I'm having Cab Sav, would you like one?
Yes. I'll have a hard lemonade too.
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Post Post #432 (isolation #30) » Tue May 28, 2019 3:28 pm

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In post 431, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 429, Titus wrote:
In post 428, PenguinPower wrote:I'm having Cab Sav, would you like one?
Yes. I'll have a hard lemonade too.
I only owe you one drink and have no hard lemonade...

your move.
I bought the hard lemonade.
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Post Post #433 (isolation #31) » Tue May 28, 2019 3:29 pm

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In post 430, Edgar Allan Foe wrote:I think the optimal group size is four, and we should aim to do 4 town over 4 scum. Peanut gallery commentary welcome.

4 townreads if 100% right:

Strong Town Core protected from nightkill and go into phase 2.

4 townreads if X% right:

Scum have to leave the in group alone OR give us a "At least one in three of your townreads are confoscum" scenario.

4 townreads if 100% wrong:

I wish to unsinstall my life thanks. This ironically enough means that scum is forced to shoot "inside the group" if 4, making it the case that a kill inside the group means we lynch inside that group day two.

VS...


4 scumreads if 100% right:

Scum is forced to shoot inside the group, and we lynch within the group.

4 scumreads if X% right:

Scum shoot in the out group most likely. We gain little information?

4 scumreads if 0% right:

Weak scummy looking town is protected, scum shoots within the "out" group and we really didn't gain any info.

If we do 4 townreads; we then know to lynch within the group of 3 if one of the four is shot.

We then completely do different groupings day two so we can start "minesweepering" sort of like people mentioned.
This is the second time this is mentioned. I don't think people know what it means.

Poe, what are your initial gut reads?
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Post Post #435 (isolation #32) » Tue May 28, 2019 3:36 pm

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In post 434, PenguinPower wrote:I like Titus for town too.
I like you, well at least when I'm drinking.

Can you pick a random name to wagon so we can get some analysis on VCs? Or a scumread. Doesn't matter. I need help to engage. I feel stuck in RVS.

VC please
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Post Post #438 (isolation #33) » Tue May 28, 2019 3:45 pm

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VOTE: Yumeko Jabami
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Post Post #440 (isolation #34) » Tue May 28, 2019 4:16 pm

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In post 439, RedPanda wrote:We need to decide on who we is going to the party before lynching some1.
Ugh scummy.

We need pressure to sort if we're not doing lol random.

Otherwise we might as well do a popularity contest and let scum pick due to charisma advantage.
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Post Post #445 (isolation #35) » Tue May 28, 2019 4:24 pm

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In post 443, RedPanda wrote:Noone's doing it at random though
7-7 random is the only way to eliminate scum influence in pool selection. It creates two unavoidable pools. We can lynch those who argue change. Pretty motherfucking braindead. I get I lost but damn. Insistence on town knowing better than random is why we lose so much. Data is always best. Charisma ok when there's no data.

Hell I play mafia to get better at charisma and reading illogical people.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #36) » Tue May 28, 2019 4:28 pm

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In post 446, Mary Saotome wrote:I know we only have a day but I'll be around tomorrow
Well you damn well better respond to my theory because if you don't tomorrow, I'm charging Thursday.

I won't be here tomorrow.
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Post Post #451 (isolation #37) » Tue May 28, 2019 4:33 pm

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Oh Lannister, I am just going to facepalm. You are so close.

Healing the four towniest slots has the same hint the deep wolf problem. In both setups we hunt the deep wolf with no info.

That's why equal Random's the ticket.
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Post Post #455 (isolation #38) » Tue May 28, 2019 4:54 pm

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In post 454, Mary Saotome wrote:
In post 447, Titus wrote:
In post 446, Mary Saotome wrote:I know we only have a day but I'll be around tomorrow
Well you damn well better respond to my theory because if you don't tomorrow, I'm charging Thursday.

I won't be here tomorrow.
What one friend?
Random party
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Post Post #456 (isolation #39) » Tue May 28, 2019 4:55 pm

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Like how the fuck could you not know that
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Post Post #459 (isolation #40) » Tue May 28, 2019 5:04 pm

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In post 457, Mary Saotome wrote:Random party kinda throws the whole idea out the window and ruins the chance to see who wanted who in the party because we all did 'random' It's kinda the same thing with doing 'no one' but worse.
In te short term yes but long term every motherfucking kill is info
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Post Post #493 (isolation #41) » Wed May 29, 2019 1:04 am

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In post 481, Inbred Lannisters wrote:6. Why Yumeko. Is Yumeko at L-1? Unvote. We need to utilise the 7 remaining days
Not feeling that. We do need to use the 7 days but activity picked up because there's a wagon.

Second, I acknowledge your wall reply on game theory. Fact is no one is following me. I don't think I'll get majority and our setup fight bogs down the game. So agree to disagree for game sake?
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Post Post #495 (isolation #42) » Wed May 29, 2019 2:49 am

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@Jeff, Acknowledged on the strategy talk. I will do a longer post with that and the reads you requested late today or tomorrow. More likely tomorrow. I have too much to do today.
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Post Post #496 (isolation #43) » Wed May 29, 2019 2:50 am

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I'll be her sorting but long time required posts are not in the cards.

Fusco in particular will take awhile because his scumgame is hella good. I barely beat him with a rock solid vca.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #44) » Wed May 29, 2019 7:57 am

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In post 511, Inbred Lannisters wrote:I'm not saying Titus is a bad push ATM - I think she might be town in spite of the valid-sounding reasons to scumread her; so want to engage more before I form a read either way.
I'm not pretending I am obvtown by any stretch of the imagination. Day 1, I am shit and know it.

Not that it helps matters but detailed read walls are not getting done today. My secretary wrecked my morning so lunch is catch up.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #45) » Wed May 29, 2019 8:14 am

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I'll answer that but don't expect any heal sheep. I'll cooperate and scumhunt but I am fighting for the correct play until I 1000% have lost.
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Post Post #526 (isolation #46) » Wed May 29, 2019 9:37 am

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In post 521, Inbred Lannisters wrote:No Kirari, with a 7-7 split it's *far* likelier we have a 2-1 or 1-2 scum split. All it takes for scum to benefit in that situation is to not be too scummy and avoid being the lynch, while they remove Towny slots in the night. (Which aren't really of use now since the mechanic's only used D1)

We make it harder for scum by eventual coalition because of a high bar of entry, making it a superior solution to any variation of House Pets.

Please let's do the extended coal, and hash out slots which are strong town enough to be sent in.

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7-7 has benefits in long term play. Each move scum makes gives info. In a 7-7 scum have to shoot to protect their weaker players, rather than playing to their strongest. Bussing for cred is a much less viable strategy.

People also cannot hide behind pet talk all day.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #47) » Wed May 29, 2019 9:37 am

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7-7 should be random mod picks
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Post Post #623 (isolation #48) » Wed May 29, 2019 4:46 pm

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I feel Fusco is being contrary to be contrary.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #49) » Thu May 30, 2019 2:43 am

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Wait it ended? Sorry I was a little preoccupied last night.

Still Lannister, I'd never agree to a plan that assumes town fuck up. We do occasionally but I have to suppose town are good.
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Post Post #666 (isolation #50) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:08 am

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What's the vc
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Post Post #687 (isolation #51) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:27 am

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In post 667, Edgar Allan Foe wrote:Literally three minutes.

Penguin?

Titus?

Are you both content to RNJESUS?
Yes. That's my ideal strategy.
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Post Post #691 (isolation #52) » Thu May 30, 2019 6:30 am

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In post 688, Skygazer wrote:
In post 685, Fuscosco wrote:sky gimme a read or six
yumeko: scum
skyg: town

there's 2 of six so far
You could have just said skyg town and been 100% compliant.
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Post Post #729 (isolation #53) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:08 am

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In post 723, Kirari Momobami wrote:Glad to see we went with the house pets strategy, now the actual game can begin.

VOTE: Inbred Lannisters
I think someone is feeling worse than me....and I didn't endure my strategy vote was counted.
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Post Post #730 (isolation #54) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:08 am

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In post 727, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 717, schadd_ wrote:{duppin, Edgar Allan Foe, Fuscosco, Inbred Lannisters} has 4*4 = 16 points; dice roll 1-16
{Hell Knight, PenguinPower, Raya36, Skygazer} has 3*3 = 9 points; dice roll 17-25
{duppin, Inbred Lannisters} has 2*2 = 4 points; dice roll 26-29
{Hell Knight, Mary Saotome, PenguinPower, Skygazer, Titus, Uncle Bob, Yumeko Jabami} has 1 point; dice roll 30
{Uncle Bob} has 1 point; dice roll 31
{Skygazer} has 1 point; dice roll 32
∅ has 1 point; dice roll 33

Original Roll String: 1d33 (STATIC)
1 33-Sided Dice: (10) = 10
Can someone translate this for me?
Party is the top one
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Post Post #737 (isolation #55) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:18 am

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In post 732, Kirari Momobami wrote:I actually think this is great, we have the deepwolf isolated to 4 slots, so we can start lynching in them while feeding more into the house pets to create an actual townblock.
I'm not sure if this is scum, really bad town, or if my illness made me delusional.
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Post Post #741 (isolation #56) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:20 am

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In post 739, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 734, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 731, PenguinPower wrote:I wasn't chosen for the party...thought that was somewhat obvious.
You're in the party with two wolves that there's no reason to lynch inside rather than the party with one wolf, so that's nice.
Oh? Who are the two wolves, you think we’re in a party with? Oh keep up that open wolfing. :lol:
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Post Post #746 (isolation #57) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:23 am

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In post 742, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 737, Titus wrote:I'm not sure if this is scum, really bad town, or if my illness made me delusional.

Do you have all four of the slots in that party as locktown?
No but that doesn't mean Lannoster's an open wolf or anynare.

You're acting like a wolf on the outside of 4 townies...
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Post Post #749 (isolation #58) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:27 am

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@IL, I'll back your play on them here. I'm too sick and tired to actually follow through with sorting that but it sounds like she may just be that hard.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #59) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:29 am

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In post 748, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 746, Titus wrote:You're acting like a wolf on the outside of 4 townies...
You just white knighted a slot you weren't even townreading who advocated and executed a plan that went in opposition to your strategy in the game. Your first thought in reaction to me pushing their slot is "policy lynch" which means you're either a truly awful player or scum, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here and say you're just scum.
I can townread people who follow dumb strategies based on fears town fucking up.
Everyone wanted a dumb strategy. By that standard, I would have zero townreads.
Intent is key. Lannister's intent has obvtown all over it. Frustrating but still town.
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Post Post #757 (isolation #60) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:32 am

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In post 756, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 754, Titus wrote:Lannister's intent has obvtown all over it.

OK then who is scum? If you say me then you're getting lynched today.
Good luck with that. I'm using result reactions to ferret out who is scum. Given my illness, I'm not where I like to be.

I'm not even sure YOU are scum.

I did get a ping on Fusco awhile back.
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Post Post #758 (isolation #61) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:33 am

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In post 755, Kirari Momobami wrote:
In post 752, Inbred Lannisters wrote:Wow! you’re such a genius.
I am and if you're not scum you probably need to be lynched so that town has a chance in endgame since your reads are likely awful.
Do you even know his reads?
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Post Post #762 (isolation #62) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:39 am

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In post 760, Kirari Momobami wrote:Cool Titus is town
Umm thanks?

*sees vote on me*

Do you really think I am town? I really do not get this.
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Post Post #773 (isolation #63) » Thu May 30, 2019 10:45 am

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We'll talk tonight unless I pass out. I have a 3:30 to prep for.

@PP no one does
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Post Post #812 (isolation #64) » Thu May 30, 2019 2:51 pm

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In post 811, Edgar Allan Foe wrote:I think the moonlogic virus is spreading.

Can we not do snap-drama-snapback tests if we're going to let them be literally like a five minute duration? The reaction form the lurkmass would have been important first...
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Post Post #846 (isolation #65) » Thu May 30, 2019 4:05 pm

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UNVOTE: Yumeko

I respect the call out from Yumeko. I didn't really have a reason for her slot in particular but just wanted to get the game going. It's not a lot town since she appears to SR all who voted her but she didn't panic.
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Post Post #849 (isolation #66) » Thu May 30, 2019 4:12 pm

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In post 848, Yumeko Jabami wrote:Let's also acknowledge: Mary Saotome believed she was hammering me... while simultaneously her vote for the party was on "nobody"
Evidence for the first?

I assume her nobody vote was not a random mistake like mine was?
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Post Post #851 (isolation #67) » Thu May 30, 2019 4:15 pm

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In post 850, RedPanda wrote:
In post 845, Kirari Momobami wrote:Panda, you sure seem to deflect questions with other questions a lot. Does whether Yumeko is defending herself or attacking you change your answers to her questions?
It doesn't change my answers. I'm trying to read her slot. I want to know if she thinks I'm scum or trying to figure out my reasoning for my vote.
Why not both?
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Post Post #954 (isolation #68) » Fri May 31, 2019 7:00 am

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In post 953, Edgar Allan Foe wrote:Yeah... this is coming off rather like somebody scrambling to unload a wagon onto anything else, quickly.

Means the wagon at present is mostly or more likely, ALL town.

Hell Knight (4): Yumeko Jabami, duppin, Edgar Allan Foe, Inbred Lannisters

Makes me feel better about Yumeko, even!
If it was closer to deadline I'd see that.

This feels like a counter not a scramble
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Post Post #958 (isolation #69) » Fri May 31, 2019 7:11 am

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In post 956, PenguinPower wrote:Two lies and fake emotion are enough to get me to vote you.
Huh?
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Post Post #960 (isolation #70) » Fri May 31, 2019 7:15 am

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What's the difference between a lie and a difference in understanding?

VOTE: Mary

I'm inclined to go here for now.
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Post Post #964 (isolation #71) » Fri May 31, 2019 9:42 am

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In post 963, Uncle Bob wrote:Back!
What happened?

*sees join date* Do you know what v/la is?
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Post Post #982 (isolation #72) » Fri May 31, 2019 10:50 am

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In post 971, Hell Knight wrote:
In post 353, Edgar Allan Foe wrote:
In post 352, Titus wrote:
In post 351, Edgar Allan Foe wrote:Much engage, such wow, Titus.

Where's the stone cold lawyer who tells the cop off for pulling her over for a light out? You'd normally salivate being directly challenged on effectively being accused of dragging your heels.

Did she die with the color green?
Who are you? *creeped out*

I don't think I mentioned I was a lawyer in this thread. I also never told a cop off in such a manner?

I kinda am dragging a bit. I need to see wagons to get a picture.
I'm an alt of a player you used to play with quite a bit, back in the 2015 era? Ish. Not a stalker, just been to a few meets with you. I'm just preferring to keep my identity private and get a fresh start. If anyone here DOES know who I am, I ask that you keep it to yourself.
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In post 354, Titus wrote:Were you in the car when I got pulled over at Titus meet?
Possibly. But let's not focus on who I am, let's focus on what we're doing here.
This is bullshit. One of these days I'm approaching the powers that be about this kind of crap. Playing a secret alt but giving a single player hints about who you are is bringing an outside influence into the game IMO.

-Pers
Regardless of both alignments, this is a pretty fair gripe.

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Post Post #1002 (isolation #73) » Fri May 31, 2019 1:16 pm

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In post 983, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 922, duppin wrote:I forgot to put Titus in neutral. I haven't played here in quite a while and Titus has changed her play and I am pretty careful with reading her. I don't think she has done anything scummy and I actually think her lack of interest earlier is a bit more likely to come from town but still aware that scum could easily fake it.
Yeah, probably right. Scum!Titus is far more likely to act like town leader than town!Titus.
In post 984, Fuscosco wrote:actually that's kind of right
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Post Post #1003 (isolation #74) » Fri May 31, 2019 1:18 pm

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In post 993, Hell Knight wrote:Titus is looking better. At first the I need VCs shtick seemed off, but she's looking better as she goes.
Pers, you might want to skim the game I subbed in for you. Just saying...
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #75) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:03 am

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In post 1056, Yumeko Jabami wrote:My suspicions on uncle bob have faded as I learn more about what kind of a player he is (kind of clueless/aloof/just popping in to say things). That is, I don't think what he did is suspicious coming from him anymore

I don't want to switch tracks and Lynch Mary today, and they should get a chance to explain themself first. I still think lynching Hell Knight is what makes the most sense, as they are the scummiest player. Additionally, lynching HK provides further insight on both the party and on the wagon on myself that built up, and even this wagon on mary that is overtaking HK
What do you think of how easy the wagon was to build on Mary and that no one has asked me why mary?
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Post Post #1065 (isolation #76) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:27 pm

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Lannisters, tell me where you want my vote. I'm fading again. I think the Mary experiment will be useful in VCA though.
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Post Post #1067 (isolation #77) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:46 pm

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VOTE: HK

I may change this if I feel better later.
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Post Post #1073 (isolation #78) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:45 pm

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In post 1069, Kirari Momobami wrote:In terms of the towns, Titus I still feel reacted in a relatively townish manner to my push but sometimes my realtime reaction tests are not as reliable as I'd like. I think the slot is town but I don't fault those who are not convinced.
Fair read. My recovery has not gone as planned.
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #79) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:33 pm

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Fusco can you stop spamming please
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Post Post #1123 (isolation #80) » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:50 pm

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This game doesn't appear to have any mathematical breaking strategy, so there's that. The closest thing will be VCA and that's just a semi-informed hypothesis of the game.
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Post Post #1144 (isolation #81) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:48 am

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Hk you were lynched.
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Post Post #1145 (isolation #82) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:32 am

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Blake., we got our answer on hk being scum...
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #83) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:33 am

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Post Post #1219 (isolation #84) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:24 am

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Arguably, he could be proposing self-hamerring if his buddies are already on.

That doesn't fit with the easy to counter narrative though.
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Post Post #1224 (isolation #85) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:48 am

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In post 1220, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 1218, Kirari Momobami wrote:But if he was just out of town why wouldn't he just say he was out of town?
I mean he just thought the *a VLA" was enough, in any case I doubt this says anything about their alignment...

In any case I think I'll wait for all the replacements to arrive and talk: Since around 4 slots are pending reps I think we can get another extension?

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Post Post #1245 (isolation #86) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:11 pm

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Yeah, I would be surprised if scum are allowed to concede after subbing out. Maybe the replacements will though.
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Post Post #1247 (isolation #87) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:36 pm

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In post 1246, Inbred Lannisters wrote:Scum could be upset that the mod messed up the VC on Yumeko wagon but it seems really weird to that both of my strongest sr replace out back to back. And if HK hydra imploded due to this, it doesn’t make any of this town indicative. You can only kill your slot by self-voting and we know that deliberate gamethrowing is against the rules, so wouldn’t totally shock me if this is scum’s way of conceding without breaking the rules.

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Post Post #1248 (isolation #88) » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:38 pm

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Well that brings up what if one or more wanted to concede and the other(s) did not? I suppose this makes sense in that spot.
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Post Post #1259 (isolation #89) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:11 am

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Only like 4 of us are playing atm...
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Post Post #1265 (isolation #90) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:13 am

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At this rate, I'll be 90 before a lynch.
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Post Post #1290 (isolation #91) » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:07 pm

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I want to look at my sheepers tomorrow. Usually, I have to fight tooth and nail to get anywhere.
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #92) » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:12 pm

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I think someone asked me why I jumped off Yumeko and tbh I can't remember. I think that's when I started to experiment with wagons for later.
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Post Post #1574 (isolation #93) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:02 am

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In post 1556, Edgar Allan Foe wrote:Also anyone going "lmao all town grouping is autowin" or hell even "all five town grouping is autowin" is really fucking shortsighted.

In that scenario, scum sacks a single player to hit within the hood and then paranoia eats it from within. Especially with statements such as "always lynch within the NK pool" already being bandied about.

Scum are likely taking the long view. We need to as well. No easy wins here.
In that case, we'd look for unwarranted townreads on pool members from buddies. That would leave a mark on the scumfuck. Teehee.

I'm supposing I'm dead soon after d3 with a scum lynch.
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Post Post #1575 (isolation #94) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:03 am

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In post 1550, Fuscosco wrote:They werent voted before the party got together, a red flag that nobody picked up
Why was this a red flag?
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Post Post #1580 (isolation #95) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:35 am

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In post 1576, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1567, Fuscosco wrote:
In post 1565, Fuscosco wrote:
In post 1394, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1378, Skygazer wrote:@cheeky wait where have we played before again
Too many to be bothered digging :/
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Wait you're an alt? Dumb question probably but have we played together?
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Post Post #1615 (isolation #96) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:38 am

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In post 1614, CheekyTeeky wrote:Hmm. It'd be nice to see Yumeko drop in with an update.
Cheeky, I asked you if we had any finished games together...did you miss that?
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Post Post #1626 (isolation #97) » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:25 pm

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In post 1618, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1615, Titus wrote:
In post 1614, CheekyTeeky wrote:Hmm. It'd be nice to see Yumeko drop in with an update.
Cheeky, I asked you if we had any finished games together...did you miss that?
Yes, you've asked me this before. You could search like how Fusco did.
I legit am the highest poster on MS. You know if this is true.
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Post Post #1894 (isolation #98) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:36 pm

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HEAL: No one

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Post Post #1937 (isolation #99) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:49 pm

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I think adding no one is the best strategy regardless of alignment. (Well, I am excluding adding 3 random players, which we won't do.)

We know there's confscum outside the party. We should just lynch outside the party. If we find one scum, scum are forced to confirm where another scum is. This continues forward.

We protect TL as long as we keep the focus on those outside.
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Post Post #1954 (isolation #100) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:55 pm

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In post 1945, Skygazer wrote:i think we should talk about mechanics for like 78 more pages tbh
Only 78?

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Post Post #1959 (isolation #101) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:09 pm

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In post 1957, RedPanda wrote:Tw is town skygazer is town. Fusco is also town. Duppin was obvtown for me in his first few posts but apart frm that he's been dropping.
Cheeky seems town but my read is not as strong as tw or sky.
Titus and bob are slight town reads.

So can we just lynch Yumeko or Penguin?
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Post Post #1962 (isolation #102) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:13 pm

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In post 1960, RedPanda wrote:Also if there was any doubt to IBL being town, trying to make an addition to party should dispel that
?? Additions only benefit scum regardless of party alignment unless fluke of 2 scum in party already...
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #103) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:14 pm

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In post 1961, the worst wrote:Titus are you all in for a {EAF, fusco, duppin, IL} towncore?
For today, yes.
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Post Post #1965 (isolation #104) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:14 pm

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In post 1963, Titus wrote:
In post 1961, the worst wrote:Titus are you all in for a {EAF, fusco, duppin, IL} towncore?
For today, yes.
The party should remain unchanged.
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Post Post #1970 (isolation #105) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:22 pm

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In post 1966, the worst wrote:
In post 1963, Titus wrote:
In post 1961, the worst wrote:Titus are you all in for a {EAF, fusco, duppin, IL} towncore?
For today, yes.
say we have two slots outside the party who are likely to be town. they're systematically night-killed until we reach lylo. How do you propose we use the party mechanic to threaten scum at all?
Equal random parties. I lost that fight.

That being said, we look more at those buddying IL. If scum are outside, they gotta con him or add a scum. We resist adding anyone for this reason.

The game is large enough we can look at the opinions of who died. I've been too tired to do that.
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Post Post #1975 (isolation #106) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:25 pm

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In post 1971, Fuscosco wrote:Gee, If only I didnt have over a hundred plus games of experience and any number of which were askew because town fucked up and played with their hearts.
Yeah. I am the heartless bitch strategist. Ask Nancy. Common sense ain't evidence.
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Post Post #1983 (isolation #107) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:31 pm

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In post 1979, Fuscosco wrote:Why are we TRing anyone who comes along and picks up their posting rate since were here? I feel like this game is full of Townhunter, but lacking in real scumhunting.
Well, it is the optimal strategy.
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Post Post #1985 (isolation #108) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:32 pm

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In post 1984, Skygazer wrote:im keeping my tw heal and gonna stop fighting this and let other ppl decide
Why is the purpose of adding?

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Post Post #1996 (isolation #109) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:44 pm

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In post 1994, RedPanda wrote:
In post 1985, Titus wrote:
In post 1984, Skygazer wrote:im keeping my tw heal and gonna stop fighting this and let other ppl decide
Why is the purpose of adding?

#sideeye
If I had a slight doubt to my tw read, I would be against adding too. Tw is not going to get lynched and scum will 100% nk because of that.
As opposed to me? Or others? Consensus TR isn't a lock. We need to show correct as well.
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Post Post #1997 (isolation #110) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:45 pm

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We shouldn't add anyone. Force scum to make a move.
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Post Post #2003 (isolation #111) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:47 pm

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In post 1998, Skygazer wrote:that move is very likely killing tw
Again, assumes facts not in evidence. I don't even TR him and the push is anti-town. We made these suboptimal pools, now it's optimal to keep and maybe reassess when we lynch scum.
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Post Post #2015 (isolation #112) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:52 pm

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In post 2005, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 1969, Inbred Lannisters wrote:The only universe where adding tw to the party is detrimental to town, is the one where party is all town and tw is scum. In every other case it's +EV
@Titus, Fusco
Titus wrote:We shouldn't add anyone. Force scum to make a move.
What kind of move are you imagining, possible only in the world where tw isn't added?

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Disagree. We lose the guarantee of where scum are. We have no reason objectively to think anyone is better than anyone else. Scum want to add players to the party. It creates wifom.

By adding someone, they can forever doubt cast tw for every failed lynch. They can say he's the infection causing the problem.

If there's a possibility the party is all town, we refuse. Scum flail getting more and more desperate to add.

Adding technically denies the knowledge that scum must be in the non party as well, but there's likely two.
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Post Post #2019 (isolation #113) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:53 pm

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In post 2011, Fuscosco wrote:
In post 2006, RedPanda wrote: Fmpov the only move scum will make tonight is kill tw.
We dont have a scum flip. We dont even have a good consensus on who even is scum

Is it Yumeko or Sky, piss or PP? What about Uncle Bob?
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Post Post #2022 (isolation #114) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:55 pm

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In post 2021, RedPanda wrote:
In post 2011, Fuscosco wrote:
In post 2006, RedPanda wrote: Fmpov the only move scum will make tonight is kill tw.
We dont have a scum flip. We dont even have a good consensus on who even is scum

Is it Yumeko or Sky, piss or PP? What about Uncle Bob?
It's yumeko and pp. gun to my head I would vote duppin as third scum.
So why add tw and give dupin cover
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Post Post #2027 (isolation #115) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:57 pm

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In post 2026, Skygazer wrote:
In post 2023, the worst wrote:
In post 2014, Skygazer wrote:
In post 2009, the worst wrote:
In post 2002, Skygazer wrote:but tw is good @ this game and v town
pocket me pls
ive pocketed u irl :o
That's established.
Need to do some not-this-game stuff. BBS.
i wont ill be drunk and nancy will reprimand me if i drunk post :c
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Post Post #2029 (isolation #116) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:59 pm

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In post 2028, Skygazer wrote:actually
@tw
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how do you think this fusc compares to that one multiball where fusc was scum amd u were DDJ
Hey I was in that, why u no ask me?
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Post Post #2032 (isolation #117) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:02 pm

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In post 2030, RedPanda wrote:
In post 2022, Titus wrote:
In post 2021, RedPanda wrote:
In post 2011, Fuscosco wrote:
In post 2006, RedPanda wrote: Fmpov the only move scum will make tonight is kill tw.
We dont have a scum flip. We dont even have a good consensus on who even is scum

Is it Yumeko or Sky, piss or PP? What about Uncle Bob?
It's yumeko and pp. gun to my head I would vote duppin as third scum.
So why add tw and give dupin cover
Cause I see tw getting nightkilled and that would give me no information. I'm not opposed to a vote noone at all. I completely agree with all your points and in fact it benefits me if tw is not added.
Hey if tw gets shot that IS info. We see what him and the n1 death got in common. Scumread or are they shooting obvtown? We can do nka and VCA yo.
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Post Post #2034 (isolation #118) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:04 pm

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In post 2031, Skygazer wrote:
In post 2029, Titus wrote:
In post 2028, Skygazer wrote:actually
@tw
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how do you think this fusc compares to that one multiball where fusc was scum amd u were DDJ
Hey I was in that, why u no ask me?
same Q to you then!
This Fusco feels mostly town. I'd have to fight him to be 100% sure to drunk Titus. He doesn't feel like he's using conclusion based reasoning like in that game.
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Post Post #2038 (isolation #119) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:18 pm

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In post 2033, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2015, Titus wrote:Disagree. We lose the guarantee of where scum are. We have no reason objectively to think anyone is better than anyone else. Scum want to add players to the party. It creates wifom.

By adding someone, they can forever doubt cast tw for every failed lynch. They can say he's the infection causing the problem.

If there's a possibility the party is all town, we refuse. Scum flail getting more and more desperate to add.

Adding technically denies the knowledge that scum must be in the non party as well, but there's likely two.
1. Still - we're almost never lynching TW anyway. He's objectively being near consensus townread. Assume he's NK'd: What would your reads be?
2. Adding someone to the party is something my slot proposed - in your hypothetical it's more likely they would've tried to do that before we proposed this.
3. In the much likelier case we're not all town in the party, scum would want to keep things this way.

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1) ask yourself why? Has anything gone right? We picked a suboptimal setup. We lynched town. Someone's infected you. Someone w more time than me.

If tw us nked I would need to compare his EoD stance to the n1 no. I'd look for matching scumread. Obvtown that are wrong are beneficial for scum to keep alive.

2) no scum would kiss your ass.

3) scum would want to add tw as cover if he's town.
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Post Post #2046 (isolation #120) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:07 pm

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In post 2042, Inbred Lannisters wrote:Yoooo, solve game pls

Pedit: Yeah Edgar's ick but let's Lynch in the House for now.

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I recommend two targets and observing the reactions.

My choices Bob and Mary. Two unremarkable lurkers.
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Post Post #2050 (isolation #121) » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:13 pm

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In post 2048, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2046, Titus wrote:My choices Bob and Mary. Two unremarkable lurkers.
Bob's unlikely to respond and I think the mod should just replace that slot.

You know Mary's slot was taken by Cheeky, right? Do you think Cheeky's been lurking too much?

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Post Post #2159 (isolation #122) » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:00 am

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Post Post #2213 (isolation #123) » Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:28 pm

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Yeah, well I haven't been trying much due to IRL so I get the easy push a bit.

I really don't care for a hydra subbing in and immediately getting voted into the party. The party being static is why it's good.

And he has me as scum for objecting....
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Post Post #2220 (isolation #124) » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:19 am

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In post 2216, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2195, Golden RASpberry wrote:
In post 2192, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:While Joff can possibly see 2187 as reaction testing, I can’t recall a comparable post like that in the history of mafia, ever coming from town.
^ where I'm at tbh
In post 2213, Titus wrote:Yeah, well I haven't been trying much due to IRL so I get the easy push a bit.

I really don't care for a hydra subbing in and immediately getting voted into the party. The party being static is why it's good.

And he has me as scum for objecting....
@Titus, what are your thoughts on 2187?

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Post Post #2399 (isolation #125) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:29 pm

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VOTE: Uncle Bob
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Post Post #2401 (isolation #126) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:37 pm

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Tbh common sense is to vote with the hot hand and I ain't self voting, plus I am drunk and playing charity poker.
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Post Post #2406 (isolation #127) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:49 pm

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In post 2405, Golden RASpberry wrote:Quack quack.
Why?
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Post Post #2410 (isolation #128) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:01 pm

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In post 2407, Golden RASpberry wrote:
In post 2406, Titus wrote:
In post 2405, Golden RASpberry wrote:Quack quack.
Why?
Generally to communicate with each other and convey information, similar to the way dogs bark.
Smartass. Why do you suspect me?
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Post Post #2412 (isolation #129) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:02 pm

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So basically, EAF made scummy posts and that's my fault because you can't tell a good objective play from a horse's ass?
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Post Post #2418 (isolation #130) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:48 pm

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In post 2416, Inbred Lannisters wrote:Titus you with me?

-Joffrey
Tbh, not sure if that's scum but if you want to investigate I'm down. The party insertion and lynch went through too easy and common sense feels wrong. I'll let my sober mind sort it out later.

You do feel pure to me.

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Post Post #2419 (isolation #131) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:48 pm

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In post 2417, RedPanda wrote:
In post 2415, Inbred Lannisters wrote:VOTE: Golden Raspberry

Nice bus, pal.

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Let's delete everyone outside party first. If there's still scum remaining then its obviously gras.
Wasn't it you that said if no scum were in the party they'd ff?
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Post Post #2421 (isolation #132) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:55 pm

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In post 2420, RedPanda wrote:
In post 2419, Titus wrote:
In post 2417, RedPanda wrote:
In post 2415, Inbred Lannisters wrote:VOTE: Golden Raspberry

Nice bus, pal.

-Joffrey
Let's delete everyone outside party first. If there's still scum remaining then its obviously gras.
Wasn't it you that said if no scum were in the party they'd ff?
how do I make them ff? I only said it's autowin if there's no scum in party.
But if it's autowin, wouldn't scum ff?
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Post Post #2427 (isolation #133) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:23 pm

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In post 2425, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2388, schadd_ wrote:
CheekyTeeky has been killed! she was a
vanilla townie!
GR, you promised the game would end. :(

I wasn’t expecting that.

Well, EOF red flip means us/Duppin/Fuscosco, all clear. How is the game not over if party is alltown? Because if there’s ever a death in the party and we don’t find out who’s responsible, GR can be the only suspect but why would GR bus? That doesn’t really make sense either.

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GRas bus to ensure scum in the party is lock clear? Harder route to achieve. Nothing makes sense though.

I get the reaction test but when you highlighted Gras scum I figured worth a shot to investigate. Maybe it's wrong, maybe it's right. He should respond to the theory.
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Post Post #2434 (isolation #134) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:29 pm

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In post 2429, Golden RASpberry wrote:Scum wouldn't forfeit because they can still sow the seed of paranoia about the party smh
You do realize that scum would need like 3 straight mislynches while shooting in their mislynch pool. Eventually, they'd have to lynch in the party if your setup is correct. It's a requirement. The amount of effort required to have the scum trick town leaders into mislynching so much they were suspected is near insurmountable.

Much more likely scum is in the party.
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Post Post #2436 (isolation #135) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:31 pm

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In post 2435, Inbred Lannisters wrote:If RAS is scum, we're still in auto.
Town is never going to lynch in the party unless there's a NK there.

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Explain how this is auto if RAS scum plz.
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Post Post #2449 (isolation #136) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:43 pm

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In post 2446, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2434, Titus wrote:
In post 2429, Golden RASpberry wrote:Scum wouldn't forfeit because they can still sow the seed of paranoia about the party smh
You do realize that scum would need like 3 straight mislynches while shooting in their mislynch pool. Eventually, they'd have to lynch in the party if your setup is correct. It's a requirement. The amount of effort required to have the scum trick town leaders into mislynching so much they were suspected is near insurmountable.

Much more likely scum is in the party.
Nah. Sorry but I recently got my moonlogic shots.

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Post Post #2455 (isolation #137) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:49 pm

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In post 2452, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2436, Titus wrote:
In post 2435, Inbred Lannisters wrote:If RAS is scum, we're still in auto.
Town is never going to lynch in the party unless there's a NK there.

-IL (Heh)
Explain how this is auto if RAS scum plz.
Okay, so you’re telling me that scum!GR who is a hydra compromised of NOT imbecilic players, somehow decided that it was a proscum wincon, to confitown everyone else in the party other than them?


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Post Post #2459 (isolation #138) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:50 pm

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In post 2453, Golden RASpberry wrote:2451 is literally how to be good at town.
Also pls note Titus has gone from mechtalk and intent to lynch outside the party to shading everyone in the party.... :P
Yes, because changing the party was 100% proscum. I stand by what I said. Just like I stand by day 1 that two random even parties was best.
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Post Post #2468 (isolation #139) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:56 pm

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In post 2465, RedPanda wrote:
In post 2455, Titus wrote:
In post 2452, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2436, Titus wrote:
In post 2435, Inbred Lannisters wrote:If RAS is scum, we're still in auto.
Town is never going to lynch in the party unless there's a NK there.

-IL (Heh)
Explain how this is auto if RAS scum plz.
Okay, so you’re telling me that scum!GR who is a hydra compromised of NOT imbecilic players, somehow decided that it was a proscum wincon, to confitown everyone else in the party other than them?


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If Gras is scum, we're looking at a 1 - 1 while everyone thinks it's a 0-2. Gras can then coast off that to victory as long as he doesn't flip his partner.
We are deleting everyone outside party. Scum can't touch inside. how will gras be able to survive against dupp ibl and fusc?
He's the one responsible for a scum lynch. IBL would be labeled as noise. Fusco and duppin would be labeled as lurkers. Surviving in that is easy for GRAs
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Post Post #2472 (isolation #140) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:02 pm

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In post 2470, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2459, Titus wrote:
In post 2453, Golden RASpberry wrote:2451 is literally how to be good at town.
Also pls note Titus has gone from mechtalk and intent to lynch outside the party to shading everyone in the party.... :P
Yes, because changing the party was 100% proscum. I stand by what I said. Just like I stand by day 1 that two random even parties was best.

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Post Post #2477 (isolation #141) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:06 pm

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In post 2475, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2472, Titus wrote:
In post 2470, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2459, Titus wrote:
In post 2453, Golden RASpberry wrote:2451 is literally how to be good at town.
Also pls note Titus has gone from mechtalk and intent to lynch outside the party to shading everyone in the party.... :P
Yes, because changing the party was 100% proscum. I stand by what I said. Just like I stand by day 1 that two random even parties was best.

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You want me to elaborate why the two random party setup was best? Or how changing the party is proscum?
Sure but let me get my lobotomy first, kthanx.

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Post Post #2479 (isolation #142) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:08 pm

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I play this for fun not to be berated until I am miynched or town lose due to the inability to follow basic logic because it's not touchy feely.
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Post Post #2482 (isolation #143) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:09 pm

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In post 2478, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2472, Titus wrote:Or how changing the party is proscum?
I don't think RAS' inclusion to the party makes much of a mechanical difference if he's scum, since they could endgame with a Party NK across the border.
I still think Coalition strategy > Random Party, but that discussion's not fruitful now.

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Post Post #2485 (isolation #144) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:11 pm

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In post 2480, Golden RASpberry wrote:
In post 2477, Titus wrote:Playing with comments like this is really unenjoyable. Tell me whichever head this is and I will limit playing any mechanically intense setups where logic is involved. I get groups can decide on suboptimal options and I can lose a debate. Yet this is just abusive.
It's equally as unenjoyable to have a scum team try to win while in auto-lose, yet here we are.
No matter who the scum team are it is not auto lose. You said it yourself, two scum can try to create paranoia in the party.

Yet, if you ethically and honestly felt you caught the entire scumteam day 2, wouldn't you enjoy the squirm?
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Post Post #2489 (isolation #145) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:15 pm

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In post 2484, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2482, Titus wrote:But if you felt I believed it but was shouted down, wouldn't that change how you feel about me?
Not much, because that never really factored in to
why
I'm scumreading you.
If you want to lead a lynch in the House, who would you go for?

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Gras.

1) He advocating adding himself to the party.
2) Changing himself out for EAF gives him the cred to survive.
3) He was added to the party without resistance
4) GRAS has had no scumhunting posts after being the hydra, just spamming his theory.
5) You've never felt like scum as a hydra, just loud and wrong.
6) Fusco doesn't feel like the multiball Fusco from my last game with him.
7) Duppin feels like lynchbait but has done more hunting.
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Post Post #2492 (isolation #146) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:18 pm

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Post Post #2493 (isolation #147) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:19 pm

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In post 2490, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2486, Golden RASpberry wrote:Her only path to victory is getting our lynched slot before she or Uncle Bob gets lynched, and that's never happening. Duck & I both believed this was going to be a concede overnight so it's not about "letting her try".

It's just a matter of time until the other players show up and vote her. There's no amount of trying that will get her out of this situation.
Yes, she's the lynch today. But I think it's fine to listen to her treating her as town.

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Post Post #2495 (isolation #148) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:23 pm

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In post 2494, RedPanda wrote:Titus do you not think EAF flip helps duppin fusc and ibl against gras?
No. Not at all. Gras would spam he'd get all the credit and people would believe him.
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Post Post #2498 (isolation #149) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:25 pm

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In post 2496, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2493, Titus wrote:If you really feel like this, then I'll go to sleep and wait for whomever will actually listen to what I say.
You do realize that whatever you're saying now is guaranteed town!speak once you're flipped, right?
I think you're the best flip, and if you
are
town then I'd love your inputs going into the next day.



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Great, so what about me being town makes me correct?

That's what GRAS or any competent scum would say. She's insane. That's why she was lynched.

My argument dies with me.
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Post Post #2499 (isolation #150) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:26 pm

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In post 2497, Inbred Lannisters wrote:Think of this as a twilight discussion, I'm all ears. Let's go through House reads..?

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Tomorrow. Not doing this at 2:30 AM.
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Post Post #2501 (isolation #151) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:28 pm

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If you really valued my opinion as town, you'd actually have me alive to give it to you. Don't pretend that you'd actually want my opinion after I'm dead. It's a ploy I have done myself to a scumread to get readslists as well. You think I am either worthless town or widening scum.
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Post Post #2502 (isolation #152) » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:30 pm

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In post 2500, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2477, Titus wrote:
In post 2475, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2472, Titus wrote:
In post 2470, Inbred Lannisters wrote:
In post 2459, Titus wrote:
In post 2453, Golden RASpberry wrote:2451 is literally how to be good at town.
Also pls note Titus has gone from mechtalk and intent to lynch outside the party to shading everyone in the party.... :P
Yes, because changing the party was 100% proscum. I stand by what I said. Just like I stand by day 1 that two random even parties was best.

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You want me to elaborate why the two random party setup was best? Or how changing the party is proscum?
Sure but let me get my lobotomy first, kthanx.

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Playing with comments like this is really unenjoyable. Tell me whichever head this is and I will limit playing any mechanically intense setups where logic is involved. I get groups can decide on suboptimal options and I can lose a debate. Yet this is just abusive.
Sorry but how is this “abusive”? I didn’t insult YOU at all, I think your solve makes no sense.

I said,
I
would need to get one in order to take your solve seriously. So, how do you get “abusive” from that?

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I'd never say that but in the rare event I did it was abusive.

Sayingng you need a lobotomy to hear a player out should be pretty common sense wrong thing to say on a human level.
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Post Post #2526 (isolation #153) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:14 am

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I know I said today but I am getting the recurring illness again and cannot get a fucking break from it.
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Post Post #2531 (isolation #154) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:48 am

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In post 2530, Vengaboys wrote:I think notes' focus on very lynchable slots is more likely to come from scum than town.
Project much? This is the first post u made and it's about lynching the second most lynchable slot.
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Post Post #2543 (isolation #155) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:55 pm

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In post 2540, Golden RASpberry wrote:What it boils down to is that I think Titus is a wolf in a list full of towny players. I think she looks aligned with a flip scum. And I think her responses to my push today have been extremely wolfy. It's gonna be hard to change our mind because we've caught 2/3.



Also:
Quest wrote:We're not unvoting off of Titus, no. There's nothing that can be said to convince me otherwise.
What about being surprised that EAF knew me in real life looks like scum partners to you?
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Post Post #2545 (isolation #156) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:01 pm

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In post 2544, Golden RASpberry wrote:
In post 2543, Titus wrote:
In post 2540, Golden RASpberry wrote:What it boils down to is that I think Titus is a wolf in a list full of towny players. I think she looks aligned with a flip scum. And I think her responses to my push today have been extremely wolfy. It's gonna be hard to change our mind because we've caught 2/3.



Also:
Quest wrote:We're not unvoting off of Titus, no. There's nothing that can be said to convince me otherwise.
What about being surprised that EAF knew me in real life looks like scum partners to you?
oh my god that is completely irrelevant to our concerns Titus can you read the lengthy case I made on literally flipped scum which you holistically ignored yesterday tyia
It's not irrelevant to me. It shows that you completely aren't reading the game at all if you're wholistically ignoring certain parts that don't make sense to your argument at all. Instead, you just decided that I was going to be lynched for reasons external and looked for evidence to support the point.

So I ask again

What about post 353 suggests scum partners to you?


I'm not asking to convince you. You are not my audience for this interrogation fuckhead.
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Post Post #2546 (isolation #157) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:02 pm

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Sorry fuckhead was unprofessional of me.
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Post Post #2549 (isolation #158) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:08 pm

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In post 2548, Vengaboys wrote:
What about post 353 suggests scum partners to you?
wrap it we can not lynch titus now because scum never distance from each other
I'm having a conversation with Raspberry before I flip. If you'd kindly see yourself out.
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Post Post #2552 (isolation #159) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:12 pm

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In post 2550, Vengaboys wrote:Sorry if that was flippant I've been an asshole lately. I just don't see that as an association that clears you, really. It's the kind of distancing scum love to do.
Really not helping. I don't have a problem with you.

Regardless of my alignment, I still don't know who EAF is. That you can bank on.
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Post Post #2554 (isolation #160) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:13 pm

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In post 2551, Golden RASpberry wrote:I love your spelling of wholistically and wish it was more commonly used. I'll engage when I'm more free (or RAS can if he's available first) but I think finding scum is probably markedly more important than your imminent survival here and don't think you've approached us today from a town mindset either.

That being said: I don't have time to slam dunk this right now so our conversation won't be productive. I'm just typing this ridiculously fast because Intermission by Blur is playing.
I'm not surviving the day. I've accepted that.

I find it odd that you're dodging the question. I don't know which hydra head I am talking to. However, I know and you know what you've done here even if it can't be proven. I'm trying to gather the evidence now but my memory is faulty after years.
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Post Post #2555 (isolation #161) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:14 pm

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In post 2553, Vengaboys wrote:EAF altslipped in this thread :c they're Cabd
Welp, Cabd deserved better than this if it's accurate.
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Post Post #2558 (isolation #162) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:18 pm

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Well I legit missed those posts. You can be town then.
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Post Post #2559 (isolation #163) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:18 pm

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In post 2557, Golden RASpberry wrote:
In post 2554, Titus wrote:I find it odd that you're dodging the question. I don't know which hydra head I am talking to. However, I know and you know what you've done here even if it can't be proven. I'm trying to gather the evidence now but my memory is faulty after years.
I don't underdtand this.
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Post Post #2563 (isolation #164) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:19 pm

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In post 2561, Golden RASpberry wrote:This has all been the worst btw
And who came up with the magical theory you posted? You or him?
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Post Post #2564 (isolation #165) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:20 pm

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In post 2562, Vengaboys wrote:Titus no offense but are you drunk posting right now :c
This is not a conversation pertaining to you. I am sober posting and I can't explain that.
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Post Post #2566 (isolation #166) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:23 pm

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In post 2565, Golden RASpberry wrote:
In post 2563, Titus wrote:
In post 2561, Golden RASpberry wrote:This has all been the worst btw
And who came up with the magical theory you posted? You or him?
It was my read. RAS agreed with it, we talked it over, and I was the one who cased it.
And what did you base your read on if you're ignoring events like 353?
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Post Post #2568 (isolation #167) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:24 pm

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You certainly didn't base it off interactions with me because I've been sick as a dog across the site. Bob hasn't been posting and was just replaced by notes. So what evidence actually supported your theory and how could you be confident I was anything beyond RL lurking?
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Post Post #2570 (isolation #168) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:26 pm

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Go save your job scumbag. I don't want you to lose your job. Frankly, you're a horrible actor.

Scum cede.
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Post Post #2571 (isolation #169) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:29 pm

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The ceding, not my interrogation, was cleared by my scum partner.

GG most of town.
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Post Post #2574 (isolation #170) » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:34 pm

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Have a good life to the two of you. I have nothing to say to you right now. Maybe in the future, but not now. I have nothing more to say in regards to this game.
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Post Post #2601 (isolation #171) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:18 am

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It's actually the second time. The interrogation at the end was letting the mods see if the worst was innocent or not.
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Post Post #2609 (isolation #172) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:46 am

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In post 2607, duppin wrote:That's really shitty. Makes this game feels like a waste of time.
I'm sorry. I sat on it as long as I could once I suspected. I kinda cracked though. I knew I couldn't beat a confirmed town cheater while sick. If worst is innocent, I feel bad for him.

I didn't want to ruin the game for the honest town which was most of you.
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Post Post #2624 (isolation #173) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:57 am

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In post 2611, the worst wrote:I'm really sorry for even being associated with this. I think I played well this game and stand by that I had decent reads. But yeah... obviously Quest was so supportive of those reads on the basis that he already knew who the scumteam were, and in retrospect I guess there was no chance for reconsideration or being outplayed because he would hardly have let us push anywhere else.

This is so far out I feel kind of stunned by it all. I'm really sorry to the particularly the scumteam, but also the town and everyone who reached out yesterday post-game.

I won't be considering this game a win. Which is such a shame because I thought it was a really fun, well-played game.

Gg all.
I think the general consensus is you were an innocent hydra head, so I'll buy it. If you can forgive the rage I spewed, I'd like to put this behind us.

Also, I would be in for the reroll.
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Post Post #2631 (isolation #174) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:58 am

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I am too and it's happened to me before. The shock never fades. You move on.

Now that it's actually not anti-wincon, here's why random equal parties is better.

1) It can create pools where scum are void, forcing their strategy and shots.
2) Scum cannot influence who is in what party.
3) As the game progresses, shooting obvtown becomes harder and harder.
4) They cannot change the pool without outing.
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Post Post #2635 (isolation #175) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:04 pm

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In post 2632, Edgar Allan Foe wrote:Highly HIGHLY doubt the other head was at all involved.

I could have sworn there was a rule against adding a head midgame just to prevent this sort of thing from hurting legit players.

Maybe it never passed or got repealed?
I see that now. I felt worst had to know but I realized that was anger talking. I think the mods could see it in his replies anyway.
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Post Post #2637 (isolation #176) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:08 pm

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Does anyone have his Skype/discord to let him know to check his PMS? Thanks.
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Post Post #2640 (isolation #177) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:58 pm

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Glad you are staying. I feel bad that I had to test if you were involved. Yet if you were innocent, I didn't want the cloud. If you were guilty, I'd hate it but I'd have faith in the public.

Now you can move forward free and clear.

I also was very angry, so I publicly apologize for that although I privately did
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Post Post #2642 (isolation #178) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:00 pm

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In post 2641, Fuscosco wrote::(

Worst doesnt deserve flak.
Yeah, he doesn't but I had to put him on trial to see it. I'm sorry for that. Blame the lawyer in me.
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Post Post #2646 (isolation #179) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:08 pm

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In post 2643, Auro wrote:
In post 2631, Titus wrote:I am too and it's happened to me before. The shock never fades. You move on.

Now that it's actually not anti-wincon, here's why random equal parties is better.

1) It can create pools where scum are void, forcing their strategy and shots.
2) Scum cannot influence who is in what party.
3) As the game progresses, shooting obvtown becomes harder and harder.
4) They cannot change the pool without outing.
2 is not correct tho, scum get votes right? Your vote weighs only 1 alone so you'd definitely want to vote with others, and scum can maneuver split parties. Plus the random chances of having an all town block are pretty low with that split.
2 is correct because the only acceptable vote is random, mod decides.

If scum are in both, they must play defend the solo, which they cannot pick. Bussing is impossible.
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Post Post #2650 (isolation #180) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:16 pm

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In post 2648, Cabd wrote:The only way to have what Titus is sugguesting is literally nobody ever votes for a party. Which is nigh impossible. Nobody is willing to lynch on just that
Incorrect.

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