The Mystery Box Of Silver 5: Clash of Cash death grips

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Excuse me, am I here right for janitor interview?

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btw mastina's role isn't acutally real
if it was real, schadd would make it so she couldn't claim her real role, since just claiming that ur a town fakeclaimer isn't actually fakeclaiming and going against the spirit of your role.
The fact she claimed that she was a town fakerclaimer makes her claim fake.

Then the only logical conclusion is, that he is mafia/ 3rd party fakeclaimer!
VOTE: Mastina

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Sure let's just completely ignore the remaining players and just lynch Mastina in RVS

Finally sameone who understands it.

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@chickadead - if you don't plan on sharing reads, but do plan on being useful, how exactly are you going to go about that? Who do you decide to press for info? How do you go about it without ensuing chaos? Pointing out scummy things and pressing people is just another degree of sharing reads. I get that you're trying to play to your wincon, but I'm unsure about the logistics of not sharing any reads and still playing the game. Sorry if this has been discussed. I did legitimately read the first few pages, and then when it just devolved into wordy posts about the survivor role, I glossed over.

Our approach will differ based on how this player list approaches us. While we won't be outing reads directly, we will be conversing and giving our thoughts about players when we see fit. It's important to realize that our goal isn't to cause chaos, but more so to

ensure that none of our posts brings us closer to being a potential night-kill target

. It's possible that our approach changes in the near-future, but this is how we're going to be approaching the game for now. We're not actively playing against town's win condition. We won't be outing any "fake thoughts/reads" about players for the sake of helping our win condition, and we won't be jumping on the popular wagon if we disagree with it.

How about also ensuring that none of your posts brings you closer to being a potential lynch too?

I understand that you don't want to take role of town leader, but if you post few reads and help town just a little, why would scum/ 3rd party kill you? They will be bigger threats fot them than you. Stop hiding behind that survivour mask and start behaving at least samewhat towny, or I am calling your lynch.

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Why did I think claiming Survivor on MS was a good idea? This is embarrassing.

Because scum/ 3rd party killers are less likely to kill revealed survivours.

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Ahhhh, a forming wagoon!
VOTE: old dogs

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0/8=scum, 8/8=town

YAYVIDEOGAMES -nothing towny, no tries to solve the game 3/8
NotMySpamAccount - 1 posts, shares same reads, 4.5/8
Fuscosco - nothing towny, no tries to solve the game 3/8
ElevenThirty - posts few reads, but whisout reasoning, reacts on survivour same way I do (wants him to post reads), also tries to make game not stuck in survivour discussion. 5/8
The Three Musketeers {
Aramis - No posts which helps town, no reads, only pushes survivour, setting his mislynch. 1/8
D'artagnan - only one post, then nothing. 4/8
Porthos - only off topic posts, 3/8
Athos - not here 4/8 } - 1/8

mastina - I want more information about her readslist. How strong it is.
Toogeloo - same as Aramis 1/8

Spoiler:

Vote: Chickadead

Unless someone scum slips, I'm not changing my vote.

I am not unvoting survivour until we read sameone as scum.

Let me give a few counter-points...

we're ultimately taking away the usefulness of D1 - this is the only day where every single slot is alive, so if we spend it knowing that we're just going to lynch the survivor then all of the interactions we'd be getting here are useless

Day 1 is also the day where town shoots itself in the proverbial foot the hardest. They are more likely to lynch one of their own than any other alignment, and they are likely to bring out a few claims along the way. Going into Night 1 with a quick lynch of an anti-town element means that no one person has presented themselves as a major threat for night killing, role-blocking, or other shenanigans. Assuming some sort of power exists in this game, Night 1 can bring a lot of information to bear for discussion on Day 2 depending on how the evening plays out and whether or not information is worth sharing. Stances can just as easily form on Day 2 based around the kill(s) and power results, and work out in such a way that we can skip any kind of random dance phase and assume a Night 0 had happened instead.

we're ensuring we never hit mafia today when town has the best majority possible over scum on D1 - even if it's unlikely to happen if town players refuse to not vote for the 3p and we dont lynch scum it's really detrimental because scum can just never bus knowing full well that no one will want to lynch them.

Scum typically only bus when their team requires it, so I wouldn't expect a full on scum bus on Day 1 in most cases.
However, Town also gets to save information based on their roles so any shot(s) tonight would be taken based on fear of a player slot, which depending on who is what role, could cause overlap if we have multiple factions. Assuming any exist, Serial Killers will be the most blind since they would literally be shooting in the dark.

the 3p very likely is important to the main gimmick of the setup, which i assume we universally have little knowledge on. i'd rather see what that connection is before lynching them in case it's useful for town

The setup has been advertised as having multiple third parties, which means that as town, we want as many gone as we can in order to remove the swing potential of the game.

I don't want to give people place to reads sameone as scum.

Do I understand the meaning of two posts correctly?

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UNVOTE: , will post more later; will decide whether I want push (and vote) musketeers or Toogeloo (or sameone else) later.

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Actually, I am unjester.

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I'm actually willing to lynch a jester on D1 provided we don't lose as a result

I think that this is a wise decision.

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I am not unvoting survivour until we read sameone as scum.

The game is advertised as heavily 3rd party. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't even a mafia team. So yeah, unless someone scumslips, I'm voting any antitown element.

I am pretty sure that this game has an obligatory anti-town role.
Survivour is not an obligatory anti-town.
We want to lynch sameone who is likely to be obligatory anti-town than survivour.
You don't try to find obligatory anti-town. Instead your only activity is pushing survivour claim.
So you don't play to town wincon.

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There is supposed to to be considerable 3rd party.
1 survivour doesn't seem to be considerable 3rd party.

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What is wrong with my read list? Bad reading criteria, bad formate/ culture of post or fact that I scumread Aramis?

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Spoiler:

YAYVIDEOGAMES (alisae +2)
NotMySpamAccount
Fuscosco
ElevenThirty (skitter30 + Irrelephant11)
The Three Musketeers (Flavor Leaf, Nero Cain, Ramcius, Rosterfoster)
mastina
Toogeloo
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Chickadee
the worst
KidAmn
Vorkuta
Chemist1422
Wh4t
Old Dogs (Titus + Katyusha)
Vengaboys
Voted
Gamma Emerald
ZZZX

I didn't forget anything, I said the loist is not complete, I just read first 7 (6) players.
Apart from this, am I doing same serious mistake in conducting my reads?

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* Porthos Dartagnan and aramis and athos are all the same person.

Person or slot?

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* Porthos Dartagnan and aramis and athos are all the same person.

Person or slot?

Nevermind.
I think Aramis is scummy and others are pretty NAI so far.
So the slot is scummy.

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0/8

=scum,

8/8

=town

YAYVIDEOGAMES

-nothing towny, no tries to solve the game

3/8

NotMySpamAccount

- 1 posts, shares same reads,

4.5/8

Fuscosco

- nothing towny, no tries to solve the game

3/8

ElevenThirty

- posts few reads, but whisout reasoning, reacts on survivour same way I do (wants him to post reads), also tries to make game not stuck in survivour discussion.

5/8

The Three Musketeers

{

Aramis

- No posts which helps town, no reads, only pushes survivour, setting his mislynch.

1/8

D'artagnan

- only one post, then nothing

Porthos

- only off topic posts,

3/8

Athos

- not here

} - Aramis is scummy, others NAI -

1/8

Toogeloo - same as Aramis

1/8

Spoiler:

Vote: Chickadead

Unless someone scum slips, I'm not changing my vote.

I am not unvoting survivour until we read sameone as scum.

Let me give a few counter-points...

we're ultimately taking away the usefulness of D1 - this is the only day where every single slot is alive, so if we spend it knowing that we're just going to lynch the survivor then all of the interactions we'd be getting here are useless

Day 1 is also the day where town shoots itself in the proverbial foot the hardest. They are more likely to lynch one of their own than any other alignment, and they are likely to bring out a few claims along the way. Going into Night 1 with a quick lynch of an anti-town element means that no one person has presented themselves as a major threat for night killing, role-blocking, or other shenanigans. Assuming some sort of power exists in this game, Night 1 can bring a lot of information to bear for discussion on Day 2 depending on how the evening plays out and whether or not information is worth sharing. Stances can just as easily form on Day 2 based around the kill(s) and power results, and work out in such a way that we can skip any kind of random dance phase and assume a Night 0 had happened instead.

we're ensuring we never hit mafia today when town has the best majority possible over scum on D1 - even if it's unlikely to happen if town players refuse to not vote for the 3p and we dont lynch scum it's really detrimental because scum can just never bus knowing full well that no one will want to lynch them.

Scum typically only bus when their team requires it, so I wouldn't expect a full on scum bus on Day 1 in most cases.
However, Town also gets to save information based on their roles so any shot(s) tonight would be taken based on fear of a player slot, which depending on who is what role, could cause overlap if we have multiple factions. Assuming any exist, Serial Killers will be the most blind since they would literally be shooting in the dark.

the 3p very likely is important to the main gimmick of the setup, which i assume we universally have little knowledge on. i'd rather see what that connection is before lynching them in case it's useful for town

The setup has been advertised as having multiple third parties, which means that as town, we want as many gone as we can in order to remove the swing potential of the game.

I don't want to give people place to reads sameone as scum.

Do I understand the meaning of two posts correctly?

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I think scum wants to keep discussion on unproductive (where it comes to reads) discussion about survivor. This also makes them look engaged whisout actually helping town.

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Voted

wdym

by Aramis (Ramcius) “setting his mislynch”?

I don't understand.

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I will do more reads later, I just readed first 6 (7) players from mod's player list.
The main difference between 11:30 and you is, that 11:30 was actually trying to move the conversation from survivor claim. He also posted same reads. You didn't. Your only "work" in this game is commenting survivor claim. Nothing more. You even didn't try to move the conversation from survivor claim.

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Voted wdym by Aramis (Ramcius) “setting his mislynch”?

Setting his

lynch

. Mistake.
Moderator didn't tell me any special information which would be connected with survivor claim.

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Spoiler:

Well then

Is there any reason to keep uncooperative survivor alive? No

Is there any reason to lynch them on the spot? From mechanical standpoint - not really. But there is another thing - if survivor is hindering our progress, namely if people will spend their time on discussing survivor's actions or whether we should lynch them or not instead of trying progress game, lynching survivor is best course of action to avoid this WIFOM and increase our chances to find scum. So we have to answer simple question - can we completely ignore survivor for now? If not, we should lynch them

Lastly, I always was advocate for D1 lynch and never accepted no lynch D1, so if we can't find decent lynch I'm more than happy to lynch you just to avoid unnecessary shenanigans

Also, your wincon don't have anything to do with us or our wincon, but is rather a hindrance, so why we should care about your wincon?

this is a stupid conversation, you dont take a 0% chance to lynch mafia over a >0% chance to lynch mafia on D1

yes, if we're close to lylo it's an inevitable policy lynch but let's just let the chips fall where they may and let the survivor play optimally so they dont get shot by scum

At least we agree that no lynch D1 is bad

Aside form that, I'd rather lynch 3p over taking high stakes gamble for scum lynch with low success %

P-Edit:

Let me ask you then, how you going to cooperate with us in finding and lynching scum? You not sharing any reads, so sheeping biggest wagon? It's not much of a help

I'd rather not lynch town, which is playing against my wincon more than lynching survivor. So let me reiterate - if chance to lynch scum is low, I'd rather take safe option and lynch 3p that is not essential to my wincon

Yes, survivor is a hindrance - more people alive means we need more votes for a majority, so it's harder to lynch scum

P-P-Edit: Care to tell us where to start scumhunting then? Cause I have no leads

~Aramis

Indeed, also those other slots can flip town too, why that's not a concern to you at all?

ramcius you've played mafia before LMAO

yes, ofc they can flip town, thats why i said i'd rather take a >0% chance of a scumflip over a 0% chance of a scumflip.

im glad we came full circle

See, that's the difference between you and me - you want to try lynch scum, I want to eliminate as much lose conditions as I can

Wanting to lynch survivor is NAI. I guess.
But talking

only

about survivor claim

and

not posting any reads

and

not trying to move game from debating whether to lynch survivor or not is scummy for me. That's just lurking while looking engaged, looking like helping to solve the game.

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VOTE: The 3 Musketeers

Spoiler:

(not reaction on samething recent, just remembered I could vote my scumread)

Also, what happened in this game that is worth serious discussion? I saw some meta discussions, but I'm not a fan of meta and don't have much experience with most people in here, so I can't say much about it

You could start posting reads? Commenting other players' behaviour? You could start asking questions? Nah, you just felt comftable in the survivor debate.

Spoiler:

At least we agree that no lynch D1 is bad

Aside form that, I'd rather lynch 3p over taking high stakes gamble for scum lynch with low success %

the point

---->

your head

how do you feel about 1130?

Considering we have no clue on scum numbers and 3p numbers it's hard to predict, when it will be this "almost LYLO"

Also, what chances we have to find all scum before this "almost LYLO" happens in your opinion?

18 player game so we should start talking about it after 2 mislynches, and it's happened before in past large games so it can happen here. let's just play the game and let the setup speak for itself

Can we stop clogging the thread with hypotheticals?

We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
In the meanwhile, let's townhunt instead of discussing when and how best to lynch the survivor (*smh*)

why townhunt when we can scumhunt

i think ramcius (musketeers) is town and 1130 is scum tho so i guess im getting stuff done in both lol

It was possible.

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If nothing "noteworthy" happened whole day 1, would you just... do nothing?

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I asked a question - what noteworthy happened that I should discuss?

~Aramis

It is easy to find a stick to beat a dog.
In this case, it is easy to find a noteworthy post to move conversation forward - if you want so.

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Chickadee

- nothing towny, no tries to solve the game

3/8

Vorkuta

- no towny posts, no tries to solve the game. I will let myself be lulled by his tone which seems to be towny and give him

4/8

Old Dogs

- while debating over survivor claim, tries to force people to post reads, not let conversation get stuck in the discussion

7/8

note

: my vote on them was a total sheep

ZZZX

- no towny posts, no tries to solve the game. I will let myself be lulled by his tone which seems to be towny (more towny than Vorkuta) and give him

4.5/8

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random question @voted is english your first language?

random answer @11:30 no, feel free to correct me.

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I've also been assured that Ramcius is a troll, so maybe his openwolfing isn't actually alignment indicative.

~ Pichu

If I called you his scum partner for this post, how would you react?

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I wouldn't care.

~ Pichu

Why?

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not voting (7): Fuscosco, The Three Musketeers, mastina, Chickadee, KidAmn, Wh4t, ElevenThirty

day 1 ends july 1st at 01:35 central US time; in 11 days, 17 hours, 21 minutes

We need people to vote.

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Because I have a feeling that we are still in RVS. I hate RVS.

I also don't want a lynching wagoon to be created after 4 day mark so if the possible lynch turns towny/ claims a powerful role, we have time to think about another wagoon.

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Because I have a feeling that we are still in RVS. I hate RVS.

I also don't want a lynching wagoon to be created after 4 day mark so if the possible lynch turns towny/ claims a powerful role, we have time to think about another wagoon.

With this logic you're bound to lynch VT - scum always will claim strong PR, if you announce that strong PR claims are out of the question

~Aramis

Point taken. Still can happen that the target can start behaving like obvious town.

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Greetings friends.

Apologies for the late arrival. I will catch up soon.

VOTE: wh4t

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What.

Why did I just become a masonizer?

I gained that role, but it wasn't the role I started with.

I bet that Chemist1422, Vengaboys, and Gamma Emerald are raging now:

*carefully chooses sameone towny, but not that towny so (s)he wouldn't end up NKed*
*the target claims the moment she recieves the new role*

Spoiler:

Just guessing, I don't know anything. But the explanation actually makes sence to me.

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It's not random.
Wh4t greeted thread as scum in: 2/2 games

Wh4t greeted thread as town in: 3/7 games

So like... 40% scum probability? I won't go blindly on this, but I want to push wh4t.

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And what makes you think it was one of the people that can't post that affected Mastina? If Mastina is even telling the truth.

Guess.

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It's not random.
Wh4t greeted thread as scum in: 2/2 games

Wh4t greeted thread as town in: 3/7 games

So like... 40% scum probability? I won't go blindly on this, but I want to push wh4t.

Greeted thread in opening post*

Newbie scums are more likely to greet thread in opening post than newbie towns. I instinctively vote for this kind of openings. Then I decided to check his meta where it comes to greetings. So no, I am not running all your meta posts in same kind of wierd program.

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also wh4t is an alt not a newbie

Does it nullify the fact that wh4t's own meta is greeting 100% as scum and only 3/7 times as town? (ignoring the fact that we have low data so the statistic is not entiry bulletproof)?

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How good is 11:30 as scum?

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How good is 11:30 as scum?

Skitter

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i dont want the slot paranoia lynched though i just think her content feels off - it's hard for me to put a finger on what exactly but i genuinely wish i could articulate it better

If you find it off then putting some pressure and setting up a wagon is the way to go, Pressure makes people tell more than they think they want to tell.

For example their role.

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VOTE: Zeebu

Thats L-1! No votes whisout intent!

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Pressure makes people tell more than they think they want to tell.

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;

My pagetop

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Vote you talk about how you don't want anyone yo claim a power role or w.e then you do a play to force a person to claim.

My vote is reconfirmed.

416 wasn't a serious post.

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VOTE: wh4t

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What the point of pressuring survivor claim like that?

~Aramis

I forgot.

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What the point of pressuring survivor claim like that?

~Aramis

I forgot.

Then why do you think that I pressured him?

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wh4t scum reads:

I'm offended

~ Pichu

I ask what would happen if I scum readed:

I wouldn't care.

~ Pichu

Why different reactions?

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I don't scumread people for talking about suvivor. I scumread people for talking only about survivor.

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I will be V/ LA 23-26.6

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@schadd_

just wondering, but i was not aware my slot ever posted before i joined the game yet ive had a vote on YVG for a couple vote counts now. am i missing something?

Ohhh. In this case,

claim

.
Your slot has already claimed in this game, I want to know if you claim the same role.

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@schadd_

just wondering, but i was not aware my slot ever posted before i joined the game yet ive had a vote on YVG for a couple vote counts now. am i missing something?

Ohhh. In this case,

claim

.
Your slot has already claimed in this game, I want to know if you claim the same role.

If sameone is around, please reconfirm this.

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you seem to be very intent on trying to get folks to role claim. this was your second attempt with me if you include the 'joke' post

That L-1 thing wasn't joke, but pressure trap.
Your slot has already claimed.

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Your slot has already claimed.

I am deadly serious with this. No trick. Feel free to build a wagoon on me if I am not telling the truth.

Reclaim.

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zeebu replaces the worst

when did that happen?

That slot originally was Chickadead, feel free to ISO that

~Aramis

Meh, now he will claim masonizer. Thank you. We could have same contradiction in his claims.

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Hello Insomnia.

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You won't like me for this, but...

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VOTE: Insomnia

L-2 guys

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You guys know that if you didn't dig into Zeebu's slot previous owners, he could claim random roles (like survivor, which he could think that his slot claimed, since there was a survivor claim) and we could catch because of it?

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The situations are not same, but samewhat similar. Yet, your reaction is completely different. Do you feel urge to defend from Wh4t's "reasons", but not from mine? What is exactly wrong with Wh4t's (seriously, choose a pronoun) post that you don't like it?

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Raise your hand if you believed the claim

I don't believe that you are VT->masonizer in half of the say.

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uh... Voted?

What.

Why did I just become a masonizer?

I gained that role, but it wasn't the role I started with.

You mean this claim by the person who is not Chickadead/theworst/zeebu?

Alas, my endeavour to envenom his mind with confusion came to naught.

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What are your reads so far?

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Are you sticking with BG claim of your predescent? Yes or no? If no, don't claim your role (yet).

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Are you sticking with BG claim of your predescent? Yes or no? If no, don't claim your role (yet).

Can you stop? You're not helping anyone

~Aramis

I am not being noxious. Responding on question: "are you BG", won't reveal anything at all. But actually can be AI if he answers before reading whole game.

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Do you still wish him to not answer?

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Can I get a link to the page where the game actually starts please, I’m at page 10 and I only see mech talk.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80057&start=1000

You are not L-2 and didn't claim anything. I just tried to set up a pressure trap, but since it is heavily unproductive, there is no point in continuing.

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Are you sticking with BG claim of your predescent? Yes or no? If no,

don't claim your role

(yet).

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I played a game where Formerfish used samething similar against my scumpartner and my partner flaked.

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Voted, what’s your take on Old Dogs?

I think they are obv town.

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Honestly, I don't think scum/ neutral killing would claim survivor and then change into town claim.

P.S. Replacement chickaded->the worst was never announced.

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I mean I read about the survivor claim from chickadead and I read my role pm and I never put it together that I was supposed to be the survivor

How could I not see samething so trivial!

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Is this irre or skitter? cuz my read of this post changes slightly based on that.

I think skitter said that once Irrelephant enters this game, they will start signing.

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what? a pressure trap?

You put lots of pressure on sameone who joins game (L-1), if the players is scum, he might think there is nothing he can do to not end up being lynched, and doesn't try to play the game at all.

Good example is asking a player to confirm fictive claim of his slot, town play should ISO his slot (find the claim is fictive), or respond based on his PM, while scum player should think that game is lost and won't try at all.

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Anyone that scumreads me on D1 is in effect scum claiming.

please revise your reads now and proceed as usual

Does this also mean that everyone who claims scum is scumreading you?

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This is known as denying the antecedent

If you post immediatly after this post, I will not claim scum.

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I claim scum and this statment is false.
If and only if previous statment is true, I claim scum .

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Can we stop clogging the thread with hypotheticals?

We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
In the meanwhile, let's townhunt instead of discussing when and how best to lynch the survivor (*smh*)

I ISOed Vorkuta. This is the

only

post in his ISO I can call as towny.
+ towny tone

@Vorkuta, apart from tone, is there any valid reason to not scumread you?

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Can we stop clogging the thread with hypotheticals?

We'll cross that bridge when we get there.
In the meanwhile, let's townhunt instead of discussing when and how best to lynch the survivor (*smh*)

I ISOed Vorkuta. This is the

only

post in his ISO I can call as towny.


@Vorkuta, apart from towny tone, is there any valid reason to not scumread you?

E: this should make more sense

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222- Now this post by itself isnt a huge issue, but the way voted is really really REALLY mad at people pushing survivor makes me feel there is something off. If at any point one of Voted or the survivor slot flips scum, The other slot should immeditely die.

I am not mad with people for pushing survivor, I am mad with people for pushing survivor AND not doing anything else. I though I have already explained it.

About Wh4t:
Sameone broke my strongest scumread -3 musketeers- by saying the guy I scumreaded is a troll. I hoped into wh4t since greeting actualy is alignment indicative (even in his case). I won't lynch him just for that, but I wanted to pressure him. That being written, I did terrible job in it.

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Zeebu is not the lynch today.
I think ZZZX is town

VOTE: 11:30 I probably won't be able to change my vote in 3 days. This is not strong townread of mine and the wagoon has good chances of form.

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Wh4t is 4.5/8, ignoring the greeting.

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Also, let's be real, you picked on me, cause I called you out, not because your scumread was that strong.

Since when is calling out Voted heavily scum indicative?

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I am not pushing to lynch. I am pushing so I can make better read. I haven't forgotten about Toog. I will push him; but after I find out what Musketeers are.

Yes, decided to start with Musketeers because of their reaction on my reads.

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Will post late today/tommorow.

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Nice, I haven't been prodded yet. Reading right now.

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VOTE: Chickadee
For now, this is just sheep to make things move.

[Voted]

(...)
Now to figure whether a Don Corleone would latch on things like this...

I don't like this.

[Voted]

What does mean "FPS"?

[Voted]

Voted pulled a shit

fps

play on me

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VOTE: Chickadee
For now, this is just sheep to make things move.

You get town cred!

Why?

[Voted]

Ehh, that was a lame pagetop.

[Voted]

Basically, Irrel is scum reading me for reacting to Voted’s pressure, and you scum read me for not doing that. So which one is it?

do you not know what a hydra is ...

I don't like this. When you have different reads with your hydra partner, you are supposed to discuss them. Not say "that's how hydra works".

You town/ scumread also based on how similar think people like you. Now sameone thinks absolutely differently, you know his alignment, and it doesn't do aynthign with you? Just disinterest?

[Voted]

VOTE: Chickadee
For now, this is just sheep to make things move.

You get town cred!

Why?

I am catching manipulation in the post. You want me to keep voting (even blindly) Chickadee.

[Voted]

Spoiler:

I am catching, should not have lurk during end of day 2, thinking I will read the game during night. Stupid idea - I am lazy.

Whats your current thoughts on the game toog?

You dont have to settle for being a nonpresence.

Haven't changed much since my last posts. I find it more productive for me to attempt to town hunt this game given the mechanics. I'm not convinced of what kind of group scum we are dealing with vs. what amount and types of third party exist, so I want to eliminate variables that I think need to be eliminated and focus on figuring out who has my best interests and represents the best town game.

This frazing doesn't seem natural to me.

[Voted]

"so I want to eliminate variables that I think need to be eliminated and focus on figuring out who has my best interests and represents the best town game."
It feels to me like same kind of phrase PR/ politician would use.

[Voted]

Still only on page 40, but I have a feeling that 11:30 has same though progress as me on many things. Is it AI?

[Voted]

Are you talking about that toog quote? I don't know how to exactly describe it. It's like if you are standing in front lots of people, you want to look noble/ clever/ educated so you use fancy words and phrases, rather than telling your though as simply as possible.

[Voted]

Did any of the day vigs pass through?

[Voted]

Spoiler:

I am catching, should not have lurk during end of day 2, thinking I will read the game during night. Stupid idea - I am lazy.

Whats your current thoughts on the game toog?

You dont have to settle for being a nonpresence.

Haven't changed much since my last posts. I find it more productive for me to attempt to town hunt this game given the mechanics. I'm not convinced of what kind of group scum we are dealing with vs. what amount and types of third party exist, so I want to eliminate variables that I think need to be eliminated and focus on figuring out who has my best interests and represents the best town game.

This frazing doesn't seem natural to me.

[Voted]

Pagetop!

[Voted]

as of now, all votes on Toogeloo are removed and none more can be added until day 2.

I can't find a reason why sameone would heavily townread Toogeloo. If it isn't same mechanic (like if survivor reaches x votes/ when timer hits y time, this ability auto activates), but the ability was used by a player (or my favorite conspiracy theory - the Triumvirate), I can see only logical reason in using the ability. The user wanted people to hop back into Chickadee's wagoon.

[Voted]

Not sure what I'm at, but oh well...

I'm a Neutral-Aligned Survivor. I have no abilities other than my vote. I win when any other faction has secured it's own victory conditions and I am still alive.

This is the predominant reason I have been pushing zeebu, especially because of the claim that they had some kind of action, and that I really had no direction this game since I've never been a Survivor and have no idea the best way to play it. I figured I would start with town hunting and try and coast on Day 1. My stance as town is that third parties are detriments to town, regardless of role, so I tried to emulate that a bit as well.

The Triumvirate = Chemist and co.

[Voted]

I also got new role. Now I am vengeful multitasking reflective 1-shot bulletproof, jailkeeper, 1-shot rolecop miller.

[Voted]

Rhinox (2): YAYVIDEOGAMES, pisskop
Creature (2): insomnia, Old Dogs
YAYVIDEOGAMES (1): Wh4t

not voting (13): ElevenThirty, mastina, Toogeloo, Chickadee, zeebu, Rhinox, Voted, Creature

This is disgusting. Even though I am only page 53, I will push this.
VOTE: Chickadee

I also towread Skitter and scumlean Irrelephant so far.

[Voted]

everyone will be multitasking

Mastina's two claims actually makes a bit sense.

[Voted]

I town readed zzzx.
Chickadee is one of the slots I don't mind lynching. Derail of Toog's wagoon also helps.

[Voted]

Rhinox (2): YAYVIDEOGAMES, pisskop
Creature (2): insomnia, Old Dogs
YAYVIDEOGAMES (1): Wh4t

not voting (13): ElevenThirty, mastina, Toogeloo, Chickadee, zeebu, Rhinox, Voted, Creature

This is disgusting. Even though I am only page 53, I will push this.
VOTE: Chickadee

I also towread Skitter and scumlean Irrelephant so far.

Just checking: you know that we're the same slot?

Yes.

[Voted]

Spoiler:

Ladies and Gentlemen, Originals and Replacees, Humans and aliens, and whoever this all doesn't apply to,

Its time to go through voted and see what hides beneith that noose

While we dont have a huge post quantity thus I dont have to do it the same way I would usually do it, I will still do it the same ol' way for consistency's sake. The read will be split into 3 parts:
1- The PbPA
2- Overall thoughts and questions
3- Conclusion

First part: PbPA:

Spoiler:

20- NAI, Just a random RVS post.
23- NAI, Ditto.
27- Ditto
122- town-lean/NAI, While I want to say its what town would want (since I even did the same thing.) I cant deny how there could be a scum motivation towards pushing that person in a sense since they know they won't listen or something, but then its just me trying to WIFOM it even further which is kinda dumb? So Town post for now
137- NAI but I agree
152- I am not sure if I like this post or not. I will leave that at null righht now cus I have no idea
216- I dont like the readlist. I don't know if its scum motivated as its not pushed to setup a mislynch (or so I feel)
218- NAI
221- NAI
222- Now this post by itself isnt a huge issue, but the way voted is really really REALLY mad at people pushing survivor makes me feel there is something off. If at any point one of Voted or the survivor slot flips scum, The other slot should immeditely die.
227- Ditto last post
257- The fact that half the readlist felt like fluff, With the other half having scum-read people (or had them rated more scummy) for things that I've seen you commit personally.
261- Ditto
266- Uh huh..
268- Read my post mentioned before. In a sense its not a horrible readlist for this point of time, I just don't like readlists at this point tbh
269- Perhaps. But AFAIS you are partaking in the same enduver.
272- NAI
274- Looks like a fair enough post
276- I will believe that to be a simple random misspelling, Cus that sounds logical.
279- I would argue that deciding to lynch survivor or not is part of solving the game, I DO agree on the fact it took way too long
280- Fair vote
282- I like this post, Some town points here
283- Ditto last readlist. I agree on my previous feelings from hte last readlist but while I disagree with most of the reads, I will give the benefit of doubt aboutthe motivation of most of those reads
320- NAI
321- NAI
323- NAI
326- Like this post I guess, tries to mvoe game forward
328= Is fair enough in the beginning. But I don't agree with half of it. We should use most of the time we have. No need to rush things
333- cant say I understand what you mean here
337- One of the posts I dont like, I notice that Voted wanted us to move out of RVS, just for that to happen. It is one of the posts I really hated. Scum points
338- NAI
340- Having 10+ pages of content and then moving a vote on a new player to the game is guessing, If you have a reason to push that slot I would be like fine, But you mentioned you want the game to move forward, and that was moving the game in circles.
343- NAI
347- Ditto my last post about this topic.
396- That vote would work in an RVS, or somewhere in page 2-3. not 400 posts in. THAT is the issue, you are still 50% likely to hit town according to your meta calculations (since he greeted in half his town games)
397- A random question but NAI I guess
416- As I explained - You need to get out of RVS, creating wagons and pressuring people is the only way to do that more or less.
421- I hate this
424- We are more likely to get info out of scum than town, because town by default know *less*
426- NAI
430- It sure looked serious enough.
433- as for why you re-voted what without saying anything,. even thou you had voted what already. IDK
436- NAI
438- NAI
455- NAI
458- I think at that point of the game people had stopped talking about survivor for a while now.
460- NAI
462- I really dont like the inconsistency of wnated not to get information out yet pushing to get information. Its just annoying. And slightly scum motivated if I can say my opinion about it.
464- Ditto
466- Again, you are contridicting yourself
467- Ditto
471- Those posts are really pissing me off, I am not even sure if they are scum motivated but they are getting on my serves
472- NAI
474- Here we go Again
476- HERE WE GO AGAIN BOI
487- If I was a mason I wouldnt claim being a mason on my life because why the hell would i do that. Infact as town unless i have to, Fake claiming some roles isnt a sin or an issue
493- NAI as I dont understand
494- I wont say I believe it, but I wont say I dont.
519- Town have no need for confusion to a single member, Chaos can only cause benefit if it was guided with a purpose. I dont see no purpose here. what is even going on
521- NAI
522- I will give you the benefit of doubt for this post as you asked them not to claim thier role if it was different but seriously, stop rolefishing everywhere. logical
528- No
529- I just wish that question was not asked.
537- NAI
543- NAI
555- Disagree but understanding your read
557- I dont think its impossible. I am one tired night away from considering it a valid idea if I was scum lmao
575- huh
578- NAI, buit regarding Fusco's post. Why would your read depend on who said it? but w.e thisis not the place to ask those questions
579- Thats kinda bullshit. I feel scum is more motivated to try to slip. While town is more likely to give up under higher pressure. Its almost like you are saying that scum wouldnt care at all to play while town would... Even thou scum technically has more to play for (f.e. by setting up confusion for his teammates.)
590- NAI
592- Uhhhh huh...
604- FOr someone trying to move the game you truely are making my head hurt
605- DItto my previous many post

Part 2: Thoughts and Qs:
While Voted is trying to say how they are trying to move the game forward, I have not seen Voted talk about anything except Survivor Claim, And talking about people talking about survivor claim, And moving the game forward. Most of the reads and votes just revolve around that. I don't feel that most of their posts are scum motivated and thus I cant say for certainty they are scum. However the way its going on sure does feel like someone wanting to keep the game going in circles while appearing to be the one pushing it.

Here are some questions I want people to answer
> Why is Voted contradicting what they say very very often?
> Whats the motivation between that?
> Do you guys think its intentional or just something that happens due to people not being aware of their own actions?
> Are they scum in your opinions?

Part 3: Conclusion
I am not hard scum reading Voted, But I want to pressure them for now. I think this vote should stay here, Until Voted starts proving me otherwise. For now, Lets keep voted... voted
VOTE: Voted

222- Now this post by itself isnt a huge issue, but the way voted is really really REALLY mad at people pushing survivor makes me feel there is something off. If at any point one of Voted or the survivor slot flips scum, The other slot should immeditely die.

I am not mad with people for pushing survivor, I am mad with people for pushing survivor AND not doing anything else. I though I have already explained it.

About Wh4t:
Sameone broke my strongest scumread -3 musketeers- by saying the guy I scumreaded is a troll. I hoped into wh4t since greeting actualy is alignment indicative (even in his case). I won't lynch him just for that, but I wanted to pressure him. That being written, I did terrible job in it.

Honestly that does sound fair enough, I will read a few things (I did skim the last few pages but i've been focused on your posts.)

All in all I will need to see and decide tbh. I am nullish towards you (which you might've found from my post) but I wana see more.

So, Other than the greeting, Do you have any other reasons to scum ready what?

I think many people townreaded me and making case agaisnt me wouldn't be very wise from scum; he is not trying to lynch me with it, tries to make people talk about me rather than setting my lynch.
I think I would put him in like 5.5/8.

[Voted]

Spoiler:

Ladies and Gentlemen, Originals and Replacees, Humans and aliens, and whoever this all doesn't apply to,

Its time to go through voted and see what hides beneith that noose

While we dont have a huge post quantity thus I dont have to do it the same way I would usually do it, I will still do it the same ol' way for consistency's sake. The read will be split into 3 parts:
1- The PbPA
2- Overall thoughts and questions
3- Conclusion

First part: PbPA:
20- NAI, Just a random RVS post.
23- NAI, Ditto.
27- Ditto
122- town-lean/NAI, While I want to say its what town would want (since I even did the same thing.) I cant deny how there could be a scum motivation towards pushing that person in a sense since they know they won't listen or something, but then its just me trying to WIFOM it even further which is kinda dumb? So Town post for now
137- NAI but I agree
152- I am not sure if I like this post or not. I will leave that at null righht now cus I have no idea
216- I dont like the readlist. I don't know if its scum motivated as its not pushed to setup a mislynch (or so I feel)
218- NAI
221- NAI
222- Now this post by itself isnt a huge issue, but the way voted is really really REALLY mad at people pushing survivor makes me feel there is something off. If at any point one of Voted or the survivor slot flips scum, The other slot should immeditely die.
227- Ditto last post
257- The fact that half the readlist felt like fluff, With the other half having scum-read people (or had them rated more scummy) for things that I've seen you commit personally.
261- Ditto
266- Uh huh..
268- Read my post mentioned before. In a sense its not a horrible readlist for this point of time, I just don't like readlists at this point tbh
269- Perhaps. But AFAIS you are partaking in the same enduver.
272- NAI
274- Looks like a fair enough post
276- I will believe that to be a simple random misspelling, Cus that sounds logical.
279- I would argue that deciding to lynch survivor or not is part of solving the game, I DO agree on the fact it took way too long
280- Fair vote
282- I like this post, Some town points here
283- Ditto last readlist. I agree on my previous feelings from hte last readlist but while I disagree with most of the reads, I will give the benefit of doubt aboutthe motivation of most of those reads
320- NAI
321- NAI
323- NAI
326- Like this post I guess, tries to mvoe game forward
328= Is fair enough in the beginning. But I don't agree with half of it. We should use most of the time we have. No need to rush things
333- cant say I understand what you mean here
337- One of the posts I dont like, I notice that Voted wanted us to move out of RVS, just for that to happen. It is one of the posts I really hated. Scum points
338- NAI
340- Having 10+ pages of content and then moving a vote on a new player to the game is guessing, If you have a reason to push that slot I would be like fine, But you mentioned you want the game to move forward, and that was moving the game in circles.
343- NAI
347- Ditto my last post about this topic.
396- That vote would work in an RVS, or somewhere in page 2-3. not 400 posts in. THAT is the issue, you are still 50% likely to hit town according to your meta calculations (since he greeted in half his town games)
397- A random question but NAI I guess
416- As I explained - You need to get out of RVS, creating wagons and pressuring people is the only way to do that more or less.
421- I hate this
424- We are more likely to get info out of scum than town, because town by default know *less*
426- NAI
430- It sure looked serious enough.
433- as for why you re-voted what without saying anything,. even thou you had voted what already. IDK
436- NAI
438- NAI
455- NAI
458- I think at that point of the game people had stopped talking about survivor for a while now.
460- NAI
462- I really dont like the inconsistency of wnated not to get information out yet pushing to get information. Its just annoying. And slightly scum motivated if I can say my opinion about it.
464- Ditto
466- Again, you are contridicting yourself
467- Ditto
471- Those posts are really pissing me off, I am not even sure if they are scum motivated but they are getting on my serves
472- NAI
474- Here we go Again
476- HERE WE GO AGAIN BOI
487- If I was a mason I wouldnt claim being a mason on my life because why the hell would i do that. Infact as town unless i have to, Fake claiming some roles isnt a sin or an issue
493- NAI as I dont understand
494- I wont say I believe it, but I wont say I dont.
519- Town have no need for confusion to a single member, Chaos can only cause benefit if it was guided with a purpose. I dont see no purpose here. what is even going on
521- NAI
522- I will give you the benefit of doubt for this post as you asked them not to claim thier role if it was different but seriously, stop rolefishing everywhere. logical
528- No
529- I just wish that question was not asked.
537- NAI
543- NAI
555- Disagree but understanding your read
557- I dont think its impossible. I am one tired night away from considering it a valid idea if I was scum lmao
575- huh
578- NAI, buit regarding Fusco's post. Why would your read depend on who said it? but w.e thisis not the place to ask those questions
579- Thats kinda bullshit. I feel scum is more motivated to try to slip. While town is more likely to give up under higher pressure. Its almost like you are saying that scum wouldnt care at all to play while town would... Even thou scum technically has more to play for (f.e. by setting up confusion for his teammates.)
590- NAI
592- Uhhhh huh...
604- FOr someone trying to move the game you truely are making my head hurt
605- DItto my previous many post

Part 2: Thoughts and Qs:
While Voted is trying to say how they are trying to move the game forward, I have not seen Voted talk about anything except Survivor Claim, And talking about people talking about survivor claim, And moving the game forward. Most of the reads and votes just revolve around that. I don't feel that most of their posts are scum motivated and thus I cant say for certainty they are scum. However the way its going on sure does feel like someone wanting to keep the game going in circles while appearing to be the one pushing it.

Here are some questions I want people to answer
> Why is Voted contradicting what they say very very often?
> Whats the motivation between that?
> Do you guys think its intentional or just something that happens due to people not being aware of their own actions?
> Are they scum in your opinions?

Part 3: Conclusion
I am not hard scum reading Voted, But I want to pressure them for now. I think this vote should stay here, Until Voted starts proving me otherwise. For now, Lets keep voted... voted
VOTE: Voted

222- Now this post by itself isnt a huge issue, but the way voted is really really REALLY mad at people pushing survivor makes me feel there is something off. If at any point one of Voted or the survivor slot flips scum, The other slot should immeditely die.

I am not mad with people for pushing survivor, I am mad with people for pushing survivor AND not doing anything else. I though I have already explained it.

About Wh4t:
Sameone broke my strongest scumread -3 musketeers- by saying the guy I scumreaded is a troll. I hoped into wh4t since greeting actualy is alignment indicative (even in his case). I won't lynch him just for that, but I wanted to pressure him. That being written, I did terrible job in it.

Honestly that does sound fair enough, I will read a few things (I did skim the last few pages but i've been focused on your posts.)

All in all I will need to see and decide tbh. I am nullish towards you (which you might've found from my post) but I wana see more.

So, Other than the greeting, Do you have any other reasons to scum ready what?

I think many people townreaded me and making case agaisnt me wouldn't be very wise from scum; he is not trying to lynch me with it, tries to make people talk about me rather than setting my lynch.
I think I would put him in like 5.5/8.

Can't make spoilers in spoilers?

[Voted]

Also reads right now.

zeebu
Chickadee
Old Dogs
Voted
The Three Musketeers
Vengaboys
Chemist1422
NotMySpamAccount/insomnia
Gamma Emerald
Fuscosco
Wh4t
KidAmn
Toogeloo
ZZZX
ElevenThirty
Vorkuta
YAYVIDEOGAMES

I agree that Zeebu is towny. Why did you put him as strongest read?

[Voted]

oh umm.. one more unrelated thing. have you heard anything about, like, a cult going on in this area?

I hope they can't recruit.

[Voted]

I played a game where Creature was town. I don't think it can be scumier in this game.

[Voted]

Did anyone claim poisoned or samething? I mean, there is only one kill.

[Voted]

Except that masonizer-fruitizer.

[Voted]

voted is currently voting for voted

?

[Voted]

Pisshop, who are you willing to lynch?

[Voted]

1672

VOTE: Chickadee
At least it wasn't hammer.

[Voted]

Convicing in what?

[Voted]

him not contributing with anything to progress town's wincon

will just declare you as a public enemy, if he doesn't vote with town I will personally powerlynch him one phase before LyLo.

I don't think he's town like at all, think he's legit 3p of some sort. The mentality behind his posts just screams survivor,

only defending himself, not giving a shit about pushes

, he was an unaccounted for abstainer yesterday.

+doing shitty reads
This is town!Zeebu.
I don't know how 3P!Zeebu looks, but scum!Zeebu is different.