BooneyToonz XII: Corporate Boontrigue (Game Over!!!)

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Town

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No, and there are no third parties either.

aw, i had a cool gambit planned

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roster first tr of the game

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baaa
VOTE: pop

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Hello everyone,

I just want to post that I have been informed that mafia have a strongman.

hmmmm, spicy
i wonder if liger is the type of player to pull a gambit like this as scum

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Every alt I've seen lately has turned out to be Krazy so you are Krazy until I see evidence to the contrary

Boon likely is town based on his content so far

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eh
something about this just doesnt feel right
or maybe i just still feel guilty
UNVOTE:

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Every alt I've seen lately has turned out to be Krazy so you are Krazy until I see evidence to the contrary

I will neither confirm or deny that I am crazy. But I will say I am not Krazy. Or am I? Stay tuned.

ive played with crazy as well. that would be an exciting twist.

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How do you feel about the self vote at L-2

i didnt like it.

(or even if pops really thought it was L-3)?

i dont disbelieve this part.

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I think that unvote from xtoxtothemaxmux makes me want to join in on the fun.

VOTE: pops

this is a truly scummy post regardless of pops alignment

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Funny. I thought the same about your unvote.

i retract my tr on you

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VOTE: bambi
Roster also good wagon

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lul when you avoid a shit lynch and get scumread for it
this game is so boring

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me and a50 are spewed like ic levels of town by the boon n1 death

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@una,
if i had to pick a top 4 rn ig its like, bambi (everything he says feels fake), jesus (his vote on pops yday felt opportunistic and his push on me today is yuck), roster (lolhammer), liger (not sure about the informed thing)
there was a post by titus about mixing up games that i didnt like but other than that i generally have been ok with her

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but this game in general is hard to get a handle on with the amount of asshattery going on and theres a bunch of slots that have done like literally nothing so confidence in reads is super low

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lolhammers are always pro scum so i scumread them on principle more than anything
there was a game recentlay (sc1)
where scum lolhammered every day and people kept saying its NAI and not punishing them for it

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i can get behind that, jesus is literally just scum
VOTE: jesus

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lmao at a50 too paranoid to put me as tr
could you explain the jl tr i dont see it from his iso at all

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lmao at a50 too paranoid to put me as tr
could you explain the jl tr i dont see it from his iso at all

In fact, I am puzzled, as you should also be able to tell.. unless you don't recognize whose alt it is.

i dont. my default assumption was krazy, but hes not really sounding like krazy, so i dont know.

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eugh this game
skitter replaced gamma who i have no read on, so that doesnt help
lets see what she thinks

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You have dude.

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VOTE: roster

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Hello

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no

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so we have 3 competing decent wagons (roster, bambi, una)
and a wagon on me composed of the 4 worst slots in the game (roster, bambi, jl, una) lmao
im happy to compromise but im not sure which way to go, both sides of the una/bambi wagons seem committed
more inclined to side with titus atm

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VOTE: bambi

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are you going to believe every claim

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rolefishing obviously pretty common scum play when going down
outside chance of scum theatre but probably not

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is it really typical for town players in theme games to fakeclaim for no reason and give away info? and then you're supposed to just believe them and let them live? if it is i guess i won't make the mistake of playing one of these again.

its not, this has just been a particularly bad game

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d) limited shot roles exist

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Silly proposition (and very much unlike me): Would a mass claim help here??

on your own mate

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VOTE: bambi

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we're almost done purging that awful d1 lynch wagon
we should continue in this vein
VOTE: una

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una is scum due to high # of mentions in asuka's iso, and blanket townread she gave him
the only other player with such a high # of mentions was bambi, also scum, so i think this is somewhat indicitive
una has made 2 notably bad posts this game, too:

I think that unvote from xtoxtothemaxmux makes me want to join in on the fun.

VOTE: pops

Has XtoximusMaximus claimed anything btw?
Or been a target for any outed nightresults?
If "NO" to both, why (indeed) is he not the #1 lynch-candidate for today?

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i cant see any hints for who asuka picked for symbiosis on n1 in her iso
the a50 mason thing could be a pre-hint, but that seems obscure

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would also be interested in skitter explaining the soft from earlier, jl dying as the only claimed non-vanilla role with the even night strongman dead doesnt look good for her

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i think it's creature and ausuka.

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i'll go last.

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im not claiming before you, skitter.

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you wanna 1v1 rn over it?

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you are the scummiest player, skitter. you've been on every mislynch.
creature clearly scumhammered yesterday so he probably pips you, but still.

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i'm a one shot desperate neighboriser.
i figured skitter was bp softing yesterday, so i used it on her last night.
i'm not in a neighborhood with her, so it appears i have an innocent result.
i'm annoyed the rolecops never checked ausuka to confirm/deny the miller thing.
i tr liger, and i have an innocent on skitter, so my solve is creature/ausuka.
my thinking is that scum were informed that a desperate modifier exists, so one of them claimed miller.

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it only works on scum and millers.

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so that if she was a scum role that prevents actions or something, she might claim it truthfully.

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see, i got no communication from the mod or anything, all i have to go on is that i'm not in a neighborhood with her

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Xtoxm i thought u were gearing up to claim a guilty on me

i'm disappointed that you're not scum, skitter.
i think it was the correct call to use it tonight.
i've held it all game, and i thought about holding it again for the final night, but i didnt know for sure i wouldnt be night killed next time. i thought it would be a50 this time with that weird claim (which enforces my suspicion scum were informed of a modifier, because what he claimed is actually pretty similar to my role)
it's useless to use on ausuka as she claimed miller
liger i thought was 2nd most likely to die as he suspected creature
i almost used it on creature, but it just felt like a waste when i think his hammer yesterday was a scum claim

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who do you think the two scum are now, creature?

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fuck you're actually sounding town
maybe it is liger ausuka

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according to creature, i already have been nked this game

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@skitter
i'm going to trust my result on you, because it's all i've got to go on.
there is a 4th unknown scum role which could have potentially messed with it, but i have seen no evidence for this. if it does, then yay for scum.

so. you're town, and there have apparently been no attempts on your life, despite being a vocal and from what i've seen widely town read player.
this means your reads are bad.
you're also personally 0 for 3 on reading me, if we include this game.

blake's 3 scum reads were
titus
ausuka
liger

titus was town and that was an extremely damaging lynch, but scum don't kill a vig that's got zero correct reads, they just don't.
there's at least one scum in ausuka/liger, you can't continue to tr both of them

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poor wording on my part there as it's not a result per se, but you get what i mean.

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@1950
i do agree on the one-shot odd night strongman symmetry and have assumed it's existence since the even flip

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right, well let's get to a place where you tr me and then we can decide how to proceed from there
please dont vote yet
ausuka has a vote down so we can exclude a few combinations based on that if the game doesnt end
from creatures point of view the game is solved on liger/ausuka so i dont mind if he votes

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Eh it's not such great read accuracy for me, although i do take credit for that lynch
I also feel like if he's town he'd have more of a reaction to getting voted in lylo?

it's a vote from someone who is basically confscum to him
his reaction specifically to me, someone he townreads, calling for his lynch earlier today, looked like a town reaction
and i'm not sure it's within the scope of his scum game to fake that, tbh

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I'm going to bounce for the weekend shortly, but i'll ne around (laye) tom night, or sunday

ok. we have plenty of time to work this out.

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una was my only screw up so far too :/

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skitter really deserves to be lynched this game
wish i hadnt used my thing on her tbh

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VOTE: skitter

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UNVOTE:
not really but fuck you

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why are you townreading the slot that counterclaimed you
2 town full bulletproofs is broken as fuck

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because im fucking obvious town and all youve spent today doing it talking about how im scum
even scum arent trying to push me
its literally just you

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you already decided you want ausuka to win whatever she is so i guess both creature and liger and going to get lynched and if you trust her that much you would be able to lynch me as well since neither of you could be killed at the end in the universe where youre both town

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the other things you two have tacked on to your roles dont matter, you both have claimed non-limited-shot bulletproof.
i find it really hard to be believe both those roles can be town just on setup spec.

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sorry for shouting
im drunk
all i want is to solve this game with you and when i come into the thread and see you still asking people about my interactions with bambi it pisses me off

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have you considered
that the bulletproof thing might be real
but the alignment be scum?

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it does suck that liger is totally absent and probably getting replaced. im sr-ing him now just through absentia.

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aside this feels like a gunsmith setup, kinda surprised we don't have one really

also that the main invests have been role cops

the rolecops were pretty strong if you look at it
traitor
even night strong
odd night strong
thats 3 out of 4 hard guilties

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yeah she did a pretty good job of playing traitor
a lot of them totally give away their team

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i know the creature is usually one of the last people to bus, so him staying on bambi when everyone was gagging to join the titus wagon is a minor point in his favour.

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that*

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that was more poor wording on my part i was meaning to say it felt like you hard her locktowned to the point that was the result regardless
but it looks like a different meaning so sorry for that

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i'm not 100% either or i'd be voting her.
outside of the hammer creature did i like his behaviour the most through the game. the fact he was on bambi with me while liger and ausuka werent makes me want to call him the townie.
the hammer does look like a scum hammer tho, and it was a big mistake from creature if hes town here.

on pure setup spec, out of the 3, i'd have to say creatures claimed 2-shot doc fits the setup the best of the 3 of them.
i dont feel like 2x 1s strong is enough for 2x town full bulletproof

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i have seen some crazy townsided setups lately tho so who knows

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also if i'm scum bulletproof there's still no reason for me to play the way I did. Xtoxm started the day pushing me, skitter had me as locktown. If I was scum there's literally no way I counterclaim skitter; I locktown her in return and we lynch Xtoxm or creature together or something.

i have considered this, but all 3 of you have called me town, and passed on that opportunity skitters suspicion gave scum.
so none of you get points for it.

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I was also on Bambi while Creature wasn't and I'm not sure what makes one situation more important than the other?

honestly if felt like you joined when it was out of necessity for the roleclaim lie and when vocal town players started giving bambi a pass for it you were really eager to hop off the wagon. ive been susp of you since then.
creature stayed on bambi with me the whole time.

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y'know, i could probably rationalise the 2x bp if the scum's informed was that town have a bulletproof.
and ig if you're scum with that informed, claiming informed of a strongman feels linear.

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from a setup perspective the liger!town world is the one i believe the least, because in that situation towns only protective is 1x bp.
i dont see why town are informed of a strongman there.

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yeah thing is his informed will be redacted, so we dont learn anything from it.
you're probably not going to vote ausuka tomorrow so i need to decide if im ok with the liger/creature solve.

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skitter my world already has you locktown due my role.

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i feel like you and me are doing a lot of solving today and the 3rd townie isnt doing a whole lot to help us see it.

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creature why you not appealing to me more to force through the ausuka lynch then?
skitter is going to vote you tomorrow.
i've seen you be a lot more townie in lylos than u r rn.

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i think giving scum an ascetic would be excessive when my role is only 1-shot

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Yah, not hammering.

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we'll be able to test a creature/ausuka team if this stays up

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i have a bad feeling about this game

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am i missing anything?

you're missing creature/skitter is still possible from voting permutations

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im fully cleared if you believe scum would always go for the quickhammer.

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I think i'm good with liger/creature.

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is there anything in the hood that jesus said about his n3 result?

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ive been waiting for her to react, she seems to be neglecting this game
all 3 of them are so scummy tbh

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VOTE: liger
gg
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creature is the only one with incentive to test skitters bp
most of the evidence points to him
i dont think 2xbp is a thing that should exist but tw might allow it with the 2x 1s strong

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liger wasnt actually informed of anything either
and it would be weird for him to claim something a buddy has in case of rolecop
so i guess scum arent informed of anything

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ok we're pissing about, it's just creature
-he's not brought his town game
-scumhammered una without a claim
-rolecops get 2 hard guilties in strongmen, 2 hard innos in vig/miller
-3 flipped scum are all non info roles, final scum should be info gathering, backup neighbor fits
-not expecting scum to have another role that hard guilties on a rolecop, bambi/liger as strongmen should have been the scum to make the miller gambit
-blame the rolecops for playing like ass if we lose, miller claim is a really fucking obvious first check to make

VOTE: creature

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gg
and yeah sorry creature i think it was a bit. your scum game is improving tho
there were some infuriating town plays earlier on but we won so whatever
i was annoyed at skitters excessive paranoia of me but that was a pretty fun final 2 days, thanks skitter and ausuka

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i'd make the backup into a vt and take the bulletproof away from one of the town roles.
then it's probably ok.
you do have 4 scum in a 15p, we need some power.

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rolecops can only get 2 hard clears here, vig and miller. neither of which happened in this game. everything else is ambiguous. you have the symbiotic which in scum hands is basically an ascetic asceticizer.
my role is 1s and cant get reliable clears in most scenarios. because i saved it til endgame (and lived to endgame) it got higher value than it usually would.

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even with informed i dont like town having 2x bp
taking one of them away solves all the issues

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I wouldn't have played as jestery day 1 as I did if I drew PR, I don't think. So the scum can maybe bear some criticism for adding 1 more power role to the setup than the mods did since "mislynch anybody but the chicken running around with his head cut off" was a pretty reliable algorithm for hitting a PR.

so you did that to yourself intentionally? interesting
i have a theory that a vt volunteering for the d1 lynch in these games so the town prs can all get into action would be good for town

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I don't think you get the point I am making that we were forced into situations in which we had to go certain routes that left us weaker as a whole. Like when I say "this wasn't really a mechanical win" I am not saying mechanics played no part. The mechanics played an enormous part in who ended up in LYLO and if the game wasn't designed in the way it was, the playerlist at LYLO would have been pretty different, which would have affected the game state more.

We didn't have options to do strategic killings. We had to continually play catchup, and then at the end town got it together and won but everything beforehand says they shouldn't and a large part of why they were able to do it was because of how setup designed forced scum to do certain actions.

Does that make sense? I am not sure I am making that clear. I don't mind that the setup favored town. I mind that the design of this setup was trying to force us to behave in a certain path when we should have had a bit of freedom.

i felt exactly the same way in BTE fwiw. almost every kill was out of necessity. it's a mechanical battle to get yourselves to lylo without the game being solved.
i think you could have delayed/forgone the jesus kill here. his reads were bad, and there were 2 scum he couldnt get a useful result on.
i was kinda surprised that the people who sr me kept dying.

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(although that said, you guys

did

get it to lylo with still a shot at winning, so gj on that)