Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[nomnomnom]

She was scared of being lynched so she came up with the easiest fakeclaim to make in that spot.

That's literally all there is to it.

[nomnomnom]

Her entire ISO is full of reasons to scumread her, but you guys want to believe this is her town playstyle, so I literally cannot argue with this.

I just think this is the easiest lynch to make today. Hell with your posts you already implied that you do not know where you want to go. Nobody does.

Again, I just think the universe is playing a sick joke on me. A very elaborate one

[nomnomnom]

And on a personal note don't make lynch for self-lynch deals. From my experience they never work and honestly are probably just stupid because you lose two townies as town and as scum you paint a big ol' scummy X on your forehead.

It's just to show how confident I am that she never flips cop. That's all. She never does.

[nomnomnom]

I think lynching Shoshin today is dumb - why is it such a big deal if we wait to see what happens tomorrow?

Because we are going to mislynch if we don't lynch there, that's why.

I just am in disbelief that everyone is scared to vote a cop claim despite it being bullshit. I am even more in disbelief when I see people like teacher saying "yeah I think you're scum BUT".

You are delaying an easy game win for no other reason than being scared. I am guaranteeing you this doesn't flip cop.

Nom, i dont care whether the cop claim is true - this isnt flipping scum

Do what you want.

But I know this flips scum.

[nomnomnom]

I don't know if i want to laugh or cry when I see an obvious scum fakeclaiming cop trying to dictate town around lol

It's depressing.

[nomnomnom]

roast the deer now

[nomnomnom]

I think it'd be helpful if the players voting me weighed in on who they prefer to lynch between Flubb & Nero.

No.

[nomnomnom]

Vork's a teammate, yes.

[nomnomnom]

idk why she thinks that though. Is there an explanation somewhere?

Outlandish defense on that spot and weird connection with him overall.

[nomnomnom]

although to be fair she's done the same with my slot and one or two others, even if she's given some sort of details about those.

[nomnomnom]

Or maybe we should go on the slot you've allowed to let run the game and control everything you are doing in the open blatantly without any of you questioning it.

Just maybe.

[nomnomnom]

I know.

I'm just expressing my disappointment here. I'm actually really annoyed by this turn of events.

[nomnomnom]

sorry :/
not trying to be annoying
not going to vote someone i think is town tho

It's nothing about you or anyone in this game in particular.
It's just this sinking feeling of being unable to direct the game in a good direction and having this feeling that you are watching a disaster waiting to happen.
It feels horrible.

[nomnomnom]

Like, I learned from my mistakes: trying to build a cohesive town is the most important thing.

But we're not even cohesive. Look at how scattered everyone is! It just takes a devious mind to make everyone slip into a mislynch and it just all crumbles today.

I know I'm being dramatic here, but god damn it man. Just... fuck. I just wish you could see what I see.

[nomnomnom]

I know exactly how you feel, Nom. I'm trying to bring the town together onto a scum lynch but it's been a struggle.

Here's the thing: I just cannot trust you.

I've tried getting over this feeling that you're scum, because you know, I'm not a perfect player. I'd say I'm actually fairly wrong a lot of the time. Yet certain time, my heart tells me certain things.

It's just how you act. Your posts have this kind of chaotic mindset to it. You ask everyone about reads about a lot of players. This makes me sink internally. You're contributing to this paranoia that I have about town about to make a mistake and getting tricked by scum. Whatever your alignment is, you just contribute to it. I can't shake this feeling away. That's just what you're doing. And today is going to be the result of that.

If that's really how you play as town... it's just going to be the revelation that you are someone that has a fairly chaotic and unstable mindset. But I just think you're scum from how you acted earlier. Self-preservation and self-serving on top of these things just make my intuition rise up. Also that cop claim. It just cannot be. I refuse to believe it. I'll accept being wrong about this because of how strong I feel about this.

[nomnomnom]

Nom do you have a metric to read nero by?

I do.

But not day 1.

The only reason I townread him in our large is because I saw clear as day that he was a player doing his job throughout the game. The fact he interacted with everyone in equal terms is a strong indication of him being town. I believe he is a talkative player in general regardless of alignment but like... he's a hard player to sort unless we reach that part of the game where I have to actively sit down and go through everything that was said. That's how I sort slots like him. I don't believe you're going to sniff him as scum this way.

His lynch is a crapshoot today. But I guess my opinion doesn't really matter.

The next best lynch today is between vork and teacher.

[nomnomnom]

If that's really how you play as town... it's just going to be the revelation that you are someone that has a fairly chaotic and unstable mindset. But I just think you're scum from how you acted earlier. Self-preservation and self-serving on top of these things just make my intuition rise up. Also that cop claim. It just cannot be. I refuse to believe it. I'll accept being wrong about this because of how strong I feel about this.

just look at one of her towngames

Does she really play like this?

Either way we cannot let a spot like this take a leadership role. Impossible. We need a town leader that has a strong standing and can make good decisions and rational judgement, not someone that contributes to a chaotic collective mindset. This is going to lose town the game.

[nomnomnom]

And that's the entire problem and why I cannot shake the scum!shoshin feeling: she's been trying to take that leadership role since post 1 with absolutely insane statement and a claim I know is false. This is not something that can go on.

[nomnomnom]

If that's really how you play as town... it's just going to be the revelation that you are someone that has a fairly chaotic and unstable mindset. But I just think you're scum from how you acted earlier. Self-preservation and self-serving on top of these things just make my intuition rise up. Also that cop claim. It just cannot be. I refuse to believe it. I'll accept being wrong about this because of how strong I feel about this.

just look at one of her towngames

Does she really play like this?

Either way we cannot let a spot like this take a leadership role. Impossible. We need a town leader that has a strong standing and can make good decisions and rational judgement, not someone that contributes to a chaotic collective mindset. This is going to lose town the game.

yes, she does, and i don't think scum!her can fake it
everything about her tone that you're pulling out is characteristic of her towngame

it's annoying af but she actually does have above average reads (not as good as she claims tho imo, i think she over-exagerates; she's def wrong sometimes)

Look.

Someone that asks continually where people want to lynch is NOT actively trying to have reads or reach strong reads.

I know you're not voting there, but I'm just pointing out you are actively backing a player that is clearly dead set of finding a poor sod to get lynched here simply to get fire off her seat. From post 1.

This ISO is making me cry for how obvious that agenda is bleeding through every single one of her posts. This just can't be town.... it cannot be. I refuse to believe this.

[nomnomnom]

It even has nothing to do with annoyance. People can be annoying sometimes (nero certainly was an annoying idiot at certain times of our large normal for example) but it's never a reason why I scumread people.

It's just the agenda that I see.

[nomnomnom]

Vanity wagons with less that 3 days on the clock are awful and you know it.

Consolidate.

[nomnomnom]

This entire gamestate.

[nomnomnom]

You know what screw this, this has gone long enough and my patience is running thin and I'm losing my mind over this game.
This ain't worth it. Nobody's going to listen and let the scummiest player of this table get away with everything, so I won't bother.
VOTE: Flubber

This is L-1. Your funeral. Seal your fate if you dare.

[nomnomnom]

This is not scum. Like not a chance.

We have 2.5 days. Yes people are adrenaline’s out after the drama of the claim last night. But there is still time to find a lynch that doesn’t scream compromise because who gives a fuck anymore. That’s what the tone of this room and like 8 votes are. And it’s fucking gross.

This is only happening because you are letting the erratic slot that is very obviously scum control the mood of this table and how people will go about things.

This is what you decided. If people are not going to lynch Shoshin, I will do my best not to let her scatter town around to find a potential mislynch, which she's been doing since post 1. No way.

[nomnomnom]

man, im tired of the day.


Why do you think im a good lynch?

I agree on tired.

And I don’t have a good case on you. Like I can make one from the lower energy levels and the sheep to nom now, but I don’t really buy it. That’s why my vote went the other way.

I’m not sure we will end on scum but ending the day right hear and now feels like a capitulation. To that.

The moment you let shoshin go out of the fire seat was a capitulation in itself. At least a capitulation from you, and you can't deny that.

[nomnomnom]

Fair, I did. I suppose I meant people that are just surrendering.

I don't like surrendering for my vote.

Consider this provoking fate.

[nomnomnom]

Trying to sort Nero day 1 is a crapshoot.

I wouldn't advise it.

[nomnomnom]

Trying to sort Nero day 1 is a crapshoot.

I wouldn't advise it.

Yeah but now unlike literally everyone else in this game I'm totally indifferent to the risk of him being a mislynch so this is now the least risky option in the entire pool. I'd prefer he flip scum but he can go either way.

"The least risky option".

Please detail that for me.

[nomnomnom]

If he's town he's probably just as likely to cost us the game as if he was a fourth scum, and I see no problem with just believing he's scum right now.

Unload the baggage so the rest of the town can carry = least risky option

That's a gross assessment given that the last time I played with Nero he was the person that managed to make himself known as the obvtown slot on a LYLO and allowed me to basically solve early on.

If it wasn't for a personal grudge from another person we would have won that game.

Nero is good in those spots. His alignment will be clear as day eventually.

I really dislike that you've been going for "the least risky slots" because that was your rationale to go for EvilDeanius too in the first place.

[nomnomnom]

He's not going to be much useful day 1, at least not as useful as he is later down the game because he tends to get in odd situations. Last game it was a lengthy 1v1 for the record. He makes some odd moves early on, and odd statements, that can be seen as scummy, but in my experience he's not a person you can catch with a reaction test, or a 1v1, or a specific argument. Rather, when you have the full book, it's easy to see what alignment he is. Only one game, but I am convinced of that. He never deepwolfs the game, which was someone's concern I believe?

You can go and read the game. He just has a facade and a demeanor that's a bit hard to see through and something that annoys people greatly, but it's something I see through easily and I don't really get swayed by this kind of behavior. But some people do. And that's why we lost that game. Nothing to do with his actual content or his interactions, someone just constructed a grudge from an early 1v1 and that was it.

I'm not going to towncase him. He's a big boy. He doesn't need me. All I'm saying is that NC is a bad day 1 lynch. So are people like URAP. These two guys will have their alignment in the open clear as day soon.

[nomnomnom]

I'm not going to towncase him. He's a big boy. He doesn't need me. All I'm saying is that NC is a bad day 1 lynch. So are people like URAP. These two guys will have their alignment in the open clear as day soon.

If this is your thought process about active players why exactly were you so opposed to lynching a slot like EvilDeanius? You seemed really bothered by me pushing there but effectively you are right now arguing that inactive slots should be lynched day 1 over active slots because active slots will be readable in time. So why exactly were you opposed to ED at that time?

Lynching a slot with 8 posts is insanity. That's why.

Which again is a big joke because now that I want to vote the slot, you guys all bailed out even though the claim was completely insane and she is clearly scum lol

[nomnomnom]

There are people that can be sorted even if they have a big activity because they're a bit more open with their thought process too. NC's behavior and actions make it a bit harder.

[nomnomnom]

you guys all bailed out even though the claim was completely insane and she is clearly scum lol

you do realize that two slots are going to be against lynching that just by the nature of her being scum. I asked you b4 but why is it such a big deal that we lynch her today?

Because she's scum?

Because she obviously has a very controlling nature and that letting a slot do this is straight up bad, even in the rare chance she's town?

She's a destructive element and scummy to boot.

[nomnomnom]

Dp's not scum. A bit lost, but not scum.

[nomnomnom]

And nom let's not talk like it's the apocalypse. It's day 1. Let us make a mistake if we have to. I'm not saying lynch a townread but calm down with the defeatism.

I'm sorry for every defeatist post I've made in past games. I can see how annoying it is. When it's near lylo and we've had 2 or 3 mislynches then we can start talking that way. You know it as well as anybody. I started spouting this kind of attitude after Axe mislynched 3 townies and yeah we did lose that game as town but even in lylo we still had a decent enough chance at winning. Let's not lose the war before we've even lost a single battle.

I'm a bit defeatist when I know my reads are sharpest early on and that I kinda am not useful too much after that but people decide to just ignore it and do other things that I know are just bad.

What am I supposed to do here? Shoshin is clearly scum. Scums are taking advantage of all of this atmosphere and it's apparent. A lot of people have used this turn around to cause chaos and it's the truth.

I don't want to be defeatist, but I really don't appreciate having all of my games happen this way, really. It's annoying.

[nomnomnom]

I already know Nero Cain is an awful lynch. Scums are using this tide to redirect today's lynch on a random poor sod they can find a fastest case on, and that person is NC. And it's not even because of reads, it's just because of his posting style and kind of antagonistic attitude that is NOT alignment indicative. It's literally the reason we lost our previous game. Do you want to let things happen like that again? I don't. I already know where this is going.

VOTE: shoshin

[nomnomnom]

teacher's defense of shoshin despite him having a scumread on her is just incomprehensible.

[nomnomnom]

I know people will never lynch shoshin today so I am a bit clueless of what to do honestly.

I'd love a compromise on teacher's slot but with how these wagons look, it's going to be hard to reach there.

[nomnomnom]

teacher's defense of shoshin despite him having a scumread on her is just incomprehensible.

I'm not sure why? Teacher is a very 'safe' player and he doesn't want to lynch a cop claim day 1 even if he has doubts about the slot. He's not so confident in the flip that he would lynch through a pr claim. Scum can make this sort of excuse, sure, but he would probably make it most of the time as town too. I feel like you're hung up on this point more for playstyle tbh

He LITERALLY said he thought she was scum. There's a difference between that and being unsure.

[nomnomnom]

it's kinda like being on a diet but going for a whooper with the 1 liter soda

[nomnomnom]

@BuJ I really think DP isn't scum. Do you want to compromise somewhere else?

I think both our top scumreads are screwed in the sense no one is going to follow them and I refuse to be useless, so I just want to consolidate with you I guess. I just want to go some place constructive.

[nomnomnom]

@BuJ I really think DP isn't scum. Do you want to compromise somewhere else?

I think both our top scumreads are screwed in the sense no one is going to follow them and I refuse to be useless, so I just want to consolidate with you I guess. I just want to go some place constructive.

I mean he's still going on about how well he knows me and like he's an expert on my play and abilities but is remaining a secret alt. It's kind of difficult to deal with that. Can't talk meta on your main when your alt is secret.

I know, but even in a world where both you and me vote him, it's not going anywhere. It's kinda the same with shoshin.

Again, I refuse to be useless, let's do something productive of our day 1 and pray. Where do you want to go?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: teacher

Then so be it. Let's vote there. He's leaning scum for me for those absurd interactions with Shoshin.

[nomnomnom]

We're running out of time. Let's not do anything stupid.

[nomnomnom]

How is my handling of the cop claim "atrocious"?

I want to laugh lol

[nomnomnom]

If you are going to say among the lines of "we shouldnt lynch a cop claim d1!!!!!!" when it's really obviously a fake claim then just don't bother.

[nomnomnom]

You know what let's just do this

VOTE: flubber

That catch-up is just atrocious, shading a few people in the matter of a few posts, open to a few different quicklynches with little time left.
I'll settle for this lynch. Don't go for NC. Just don't.

[nomnomnom]

You know what let's just do this

VOTE: flubber

That catch-up is just atrocious, shading a few people in the matter of a few posts, open to a few different quicklynches with little time left.
I'll settle for this lynch. Don't go for NC. Just don't.

Bullshit.

I can why it looks like I'm shading nero

But urap? Nah.

Shaded me, nero, urap in the matter of a few posts.
You are exactly what I was talking about when I was talking about scums taking the opportunity to create a last-minute wagon and feed off this impending chaos.
You just need to die. You're opportunistically looking for a new wagon to form and NC is solely on the list because he's the second wagon. That's fairly obvious to me.

[nomnomnom]

hahahahahaha

this is a comedy sketch

[nomnomnom]

Flubber are you claiming a full cop or is your cop claim gated as well?

Wasn't a real claim.

Well now I look dumb

Well now you have incentive to lynch that guy lolol

[nomnomnom]

For real though, this game is a joke, might just not take it seriously from now on lol

people getting pushed, I vote there, they suddenly not get pushed? Idk it's just the same old "I've seen this before" shtick lol

[nomnomnom]

idk it's annoying one time but when it happens 3 times in a single day AND on top of that you are the one getting insulted for "shit pushes" it's kind of an unreal feeling lmao

[nomnomnom]

idk it's annoying one time but when it happens 3 times in a single day AND on top of that you are the one getting insulted for "shit pushes" it's kind of an unreal feeling lmao

Little did you know this whole game is just one big prank on you

I'd feel less bad about less bad about the whole thing if this was a reboot of the truman show and i was truman
but yeah...

[nomnomnom]

Nero is still a bad vote/lynch.

[nomnomnom]

I'm disappointed that I'm not part of your town core.

Putting scums in towncores is probably a bad idea.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: skitter

she's calling urap scum and im on p91 and there's a 4 votes on urap so she votes a smaller wagon that se's not as cofident on? WTF is this?!?

this is not going to go well

[nomnomnom]

@teacher can I ask you why you changed your initial scumread of sho into a 100% townread?

[nomnomnom]

For me it's just the timing, and the way the claim happened that still makes me think she's scum.

I don't think she played consistent at all, actually. She's had a pretty big shift ever since her wagon died in terms of how she played. There are a wide array of things she did when pressure was on her that did not correspond to the things she's doing right now. She's also very controlling and manipulative which doesn't help.

I think she doesn't flip cop or town ever. And I think whoever her partner is, is trying to use the wagon fall to redirect on someone fairly quickly with this little time on the clock, which flubber has been doing. It's not my best scumread, but it's the best I will get at this EoD, so I guess I'll settle for it instead of letting my defeatism take over.

I still have no faith in a urap and NC wagon. These two slots are going to be sorted as soon as tomorrow as soon as there is a flip, I can guarantee that. I am way more at ease lynching a slot I will probably have a hard time townreading with certainty ever, than playing coinflip here. That's where I am at right now.

[nomnomnom]

There are other slots I would have considered in other worlds, but I know for a fact that they're just akin to sho, in the sense that no one pushes them ever for some cryptic reasons ever, so it's not worth spending time and energy there and get what I can get here.

It's sad but it's the best move town has today.

[nomnomnom]

Hey Nom, what do you think of my analysis of Nero?

Can you help me understand what makes Nero town?

I don't think much of it, because Nero is not actually a townread of mine. He's a nullread even though this has been fairly similar to how he played as town in the large normal I played with him.

He's fairly belligerent when challenged and will not hesitate to 1v1 people for the sake of going 1v1 against people, which he had done with my mason partner last game. That's why I find the scumread on him for doing this thing here by whoever said that (I think it was flubb?) completely asinine.

I just think NC is a bad day 1 lynch period.

[nomnomnom]

nomnomnom who else would you consider for a lynch if you had the choice?

teacher, saladman, vork

[nomnomnom]

A simple reasoning to those is that I think these lynches open the game a lot in terms of associatives. In the case of saladman it's more of a standalone read though.

[nomnomnom]

I don't think much of it, because Nero is not actually a townread of mine. He's a nullread even though this has been fairly similar to how he played as town in the large normal I played with him.

He's fairly belligerent when challenged and will not hesitate to 1v1 people for the sake of going 1v1 against people, which he had done with my mason partner last game. That's why I find the scumread on him for doing this thing here by whoever said that (I think it was flubb?) completely asinine.

I just think NC is a bad day 1 lynch period.

Why is Nero a bad lynch on D1?

Can you tell me why you think my analysis of Nero is wrong?

Nero is a bad lynch D1 because the reasons all of you invoked for scumreading the guy are simply not good to evaluate this kind of player.

You're not going to catch a player that likes acting slightly aggressive towards people and a bit antagonistic and taunt-ish with those things is what I'm trying to say here.

You're going to catch him by having a complete list of movements and the depth of his interactions with players when there are more flips. That's literally how I sorted him last time and I probably would have gone on his wagon multiple times if I listened to the little demon on my shoulder that said "yess yeeeeeeeees lynch the shithead"

[nomnomnom]

Not really, no. But I know it's what other people have brought up for thinking he's a good lynch today. And to that, I say it's a bad idea.

[nomnomnom]

Mostly because I don't like reading things that I think come from scum players trying to direct the whole town into making mistakes

[nomnomnom]

Nero is a bad lynch D1 because the reasons all of you invoked for scumreading the guy are simply not good to evaluate this kind of player.

I'm glad you recognize that the reasons that people invoke to scumread a player aren't always valid for evaluating certain types of players. This applies to the reasons you've invoked for scumreading me. I'm just not the type of player you think I am.

It's a part of it, I'll admit.

But again, there are other things that go beyond "playstyle" that makes me think you're scum that came up with the most convenient claim in this scenario.

Also, just a FYI, but going full AtE and crying that everyone is bad when you're at L-1 is not a playstyle.

[nomnomnom]

I'm asking you to help me refine my read on Nero, Nom. If it helps, you're welcome to continue thinking I'm scum & just pretend that someone else came up with my analysis. The point is to get at the truth of Nero's alignment.

I'm not interested in that.

I gave to you reasons as to why he shouldn't be today's lynch. If you don't want to listen then I'll just take that into account.

[nomnomnom]

The problem is when you're in a game with bad players or players who don't have the correct level of confidence about their reads.

[nomnomnom]

Sadly you cannot really change history. Just accept you called everyone on your wagon bad players on the basis that they voted you, it's fine lol

[nomnomnom]

I guess Nom struggles with basic reading comprehension, because at no point did I call the players on my wagon "bad players."

It's frustrating when you can't work with teammates.

I can read perfectly. I also can read between the lines.
I can't work with dishonest players that cannot really accept what they said honestly. That'd help me get reassurance on your slot.
I tend to have a real problem with people that do this thing and there's a non-zero chance that I am biased, but there's a good reason for it, and scums can and will deny the truth that makes them look bad in general, so... I'd say my feeling is pretty justified.

[nomnomnom]

With that said I'm going to bed. If you want to feel really bad about today NC is the lynch. Otherwise flubber is the call.

[nomnomnom]

@shoshin reread your ISO and tell me calling this game a joke, calling people bad, AtEing through the roof, "fuck this game" isn't calling everyone bad.

That's just how you come across.

[nomnomnom]

I'm not the only one that came to this conclusion about you being emotional, manipulative, annoying in the words of skitter and doing these things in general, so there must be some truth to it. People can read between the lines. Food for thought.

Anyway, going to bed this time.

[nomnomnom]

For the love of god do not lynch Nero.

[nomnomnom]

Like it's already really bad that we are not getting Shoshin lynched today, so if you end today with the worst possible lynch you are making this an extremely bad day 1 and I know you like making it seem like "lol it's only day 1 we can recover" but this is the kind of stuff that comes crashing like a castle of cards.

Just don't lynch nero.

[nomnomnom]

TBF there's only like 2 town and cinnabunny. You should try reasoning with them b/c its not like scum are ever going to unvote.

tbh I don't feel like I have much power this game anyway, it feels like whatever stance I have, the entire playerlist save for a few people will go against it. I'm just frustrated.

I just want that one thing not to happen.

[nomnomnom]

I have a lot of reasons for town Nom:

1. Nom's frustration that I'm not getting lynched feels very genuine & towny. Yes, scum are capable of faking this type of frustration but it's not likely.

2. The way Nom manipulated Salad to vote me -- as well as the way she's been trying to manipulate others into voting me -- comes from uninformed town more often than scum, because scum know I'm flipping town & thus know that they're going to look bad after my flip. It takes a very confident scum player to engage in such blatant manipulation, and that isn't Nom, at least not in my experience.

3. Nom's initial reasons for scumreading me are plausible -- she claims to be a tone-based player reading me off tone -- and everything else she's said about me makes sense from the perspective of a conf-biased tunnel.

4. Nom's absurdly hypocritical in ways that come from town more often than scum (e.g. calling me controlling/manipulative even though Nom's been posting substantially more controlling/manipulative stuff than me).

I am floored by this amount of discrediting, holy shit lol

[nomnomnom]

They're not going to and they made that clear.

[nomnomnom]

She didn't flip cop, as I predicted.

She still ate the nightkill, so yeah.

[nomnomnom]

She didn't flip cop, as I predicted.

She still ate the nightkill, so yeah.

I said the claim might not vve real, but it didnt make her scum regardless, about 12 different times so

And you still didnt lynch that? lol

unreal

pedit: She didn't flip cop, so no.

[nomnomnom]

You guys are something alright

[nomnomnom]

I need some time to think about this.

I have a lot of things to process.

[nomnomnom]

Isn't it just smarter to lynch in {skitter,teacher} then

[nomnomnom]

How skitter opened today is just simply awful by the way

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Skitter

I'm leaving this here but I need time to think.

[nomnomnom]

I kinda wish shoshin wasn't so stupidly OMGUSY.

Her play completely compromised town. It's depressing.

[nomnomnom]

How was shoshin's play as VT, to bait out the NK, and to leave us a treasure trove (50 pages but wtv) of interactions.... stupid?
Spoonfeed this to me

Probably because it generates people like you who literally cannot read and make the worst vote coming in to this day 2?

[nomnomnom]

generates people like you who literally cannot read and make the worst vote

wow
caught scum is so butthurt
now that I'm applying salt over the wound, the bruised ego wants to lose yet another fight?

How many lines of crack do you need to take to not only completely misread this day 1, but also not understand why that play completely screwed us over, AND vote me.

Jesus christ.

[nomnomnom]

My heart tells me skitter over teacher rn.

That entrance to day 2 was terrible.

[nomnomnom]

She can be.

But I feel scum. The way she approached this day 1 was almost prophetic as opposed to "bad town".

[nomnomnom]

Skitter, tell me what you're doing exactly right now.

There's something extremely outlandish about how you approached yesterday and I'm starting to think you did this on purpose to fuck town over.

[nomnomnom]

Skitter, tell me what you're doing exactly right now.

There's something extremely outlandish about how you approached yesterday and I'm starting to think you did this on purpose to fuck town over.

Pushing the cw to the lynch yesterday that was pushrd yestefdat on someone that was obviously going to flip town

Trying to get you to be accountable for bad pushes on other people that were going to push town

Explain exactly where i was being outlandish and how i was trying to fuck town over, i'm sure this will be good

Shoshin was in no way obvtown.

Are we playing the same game???? hello????

[nomnomnom]

@skitter you know, I just think this is what's happening:

either you're scum

either the scums are just parroting what you're saying because it's convenient, and that's what I need to analyze right now

in both cases it's really bad and you REALLY should be reconsidering your position on a few things. This is just straight up bad.

[nomnomnom]

You may have stopped a mislynch but the way you did it allowed scums to push for another mislynch and I am now fairly sure NC is not scum because of how things happened.

So again, you're scum, or you gave scum something to feed on.

[nomnomnom]

@skitter you know, I just think this is what's happening:

either you're scum

either the scums are just parroting what you're saying because it's convenient, and that's what I need to analyze right now

in both cases it's really bad and you REALLY should be reconsidering your position on a few things. This is just straight up bad.

Explain where scum are parroting what i'm saying - if what i said is correct why us this a bad thing?

Why should i reconsider my position on anything ... if i've been proven right multple times over

I nominally have work so later

The part where everyone stops voting shoshin to push votes on Flubb, Nero and URAP. We ended with Flubb/Nero as lynchpool and I am like 80% sure Nero is town here, so as I said day 1, what you said and what you advocated for not only made us have a town lynchpool, but also allows scums to come up with a really good night. This is just bad for town.

I'll just be rereading your interactions with people and the way people react to you. Remember when I said you were a good tool to analyze things about how scums are afraid of you when you roll town? If you are town, what you said influenced what scums did day 1. I am 100% sure of that statement. This is how we solve this game.

So yeah, reconsider your position and understand my POV here.

[nomnomnom]

That, or you're just scum. It's as simple as that.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Dunn because you guys won't give me nom

lay down the pipe

[nomnomnom]

The part where everyone stops voting shoshin to push votes on Flubb, Nero and URAP. We ended with Flubb/Nero as lynchpool and I am like 80% sure Nero is town here, so as I said day 1, what you said and what you advocated for not only made us have a town lynchpool, but also allows scums to come up with a really good night. This is just bad for town.

Explain why nero is town here ... the fact that there was a 2person lynchpool but it ended up on someone who flipped town makes me think the other person has p high scum equity, esp when they tried/did lynch both peopke who flipped town

Like if nero is town explain to me what i'm not seeing

The nightkill.

[nomnomnom]

The part where everyone stops voting shoshin to push votes on Flubb, Nero and URAP. We ended with Flubb/Nero as lynchpool and I am like 80% sure Nero is town here, so as I said day 1, what you said and what you advocated for not only made us have a town lynchpool, but also allows scums to come up with a really good night. This is just bad for town.

Explain why nero is town here ... the fact that there was a 2person lynchpool but it ended up on someone who flipped town makes me think the other person has p high scum equity, esp when they tried/did lynch both peopke who flipped town

Like if nero is town explain to me what i'm not seeing

The nightkill.

I dont get it

lol of course you don't

this coupled with the "I TOLD YOU SO" attitude really reinforces everything I think about this game so far. I just think you're scum. Your posts scream "scum agenda" all over.

[nomnomnom]

Lynch preference
nom x3 > dunn > urap2 => teacher
open to a miller policy, and a REALLY REALLY convincing "skitter is powerwolf" case (not from nom obviously) that I'll jump on just for wagon analysis purposes

This is the worst post you've made so far.

I have to go, I'll be back later.

[nomnomnom]

Nom I'd be careful after you saw the shoshin flip. You were this confident about shoshin too.

I was also right about Shoshin.
I knew she wasn't cop, and she flipped VT.

I just think Skitter is the lynchpin to the scumteam this game.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Saladman

I wanna see where this goes.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Saladman

I wanna see where this goes.

Why can't we just have an easy dayphase for once

Let's explore our horizons together!

[nomnomnom]

teacher's activity around urap's wagon makes me worried

the way salad reacted to the wagon and how he reacted to being voted voted is scummy

Ending today with these questions in mind is bad.

Cinnamon's spot is hard to read as time goes on.

[nomnomnom]

Really though..... why the shift to salad?

I kinda forgot the slot existed and I don't like forgetting about people.

We have time so I wanna see what happens when I vote there. And so far we got a really weird reaction so that was a good vote just for that lol

[nomnomnom]

Does it worry you at all that i'm pushing salad or ...

If it made me worried I would have said so.

If it made me worried I wouldn't have voted there lol

[nomnomnom]

I just wanna see where this goes

[nomnomnom]

Does it worry you at all that i'm pushing salad or ...

If it made me worried I would have said so.

If it made me worried I wouldn't have voted there lol

I mean it's slightly weird to be complaining that my pushes are either coming from scum or giving scum places to hide/push and then ... follow my push

I dont get it

Because I think this is a good push.
I think your previous pushes were not benefiting town, but this one definitely does for a lot of reasons. So I support it.
How is that weird?

[nomnomnom]

I dont understand the difference between this push and the prior ones

I won't detail that.
Otherwise this push loses its significance entirely.

[nomnomnom]

So like this doesnt make sense to be as a consistent pov really

I'd say trying to sort people is consistent but hey, what can I say

[nomnomnom]

No, not really?
Like you're treating my pushes yesterday differently than you're treating this one, and i dont see why or how this should be

Because it's on saladman.

[nomnomnom]

then again you're trying to make me talk about it, which again I said would make it lose its relevance if I did, so I don't know what game you're playing here :/

[nomnomnom]

I mean you're basically saying that if my reads don't match yours ny pushes are either coming from scum or giving scum a place to hide

I never said that.
And that's why I told you to go and re-read this game, because you've been analyzing this game with a bad perspective.

[nomnomnom]

That's the conclusion i've come to based off of what you were saying yestefsay and what you're daying now

How am i viewing this wrong if i'm analyzing the game from a bad perspective?

Today is another day than day 1.

[nomnomnom]

I dont get it

You don't seem to get much of what I'm saying.

All that matters is that saladman is a good push. Has nothing to do with your slot.

[nomnomnom]

salad though... like... what did he even do besides NOT join in on this dog-pile?

He made it clear that he expects to be able to be lynched

So he,s likely not a strong town role

He needs to claim because it helps town

You think he's town?

[nomnomnom]

Salad? It depends on his claim

I'll be honest I don't like the fact you gave him a "claim direction" with your post in that case.

[nomnomnom]

Salad? It depends on his claim

I'll be honest I don't like the fact you gave him a "claim direction" with your post in that case.

Notably I originally used that logic with u r a person 2, then later noted that salad was doing the same thing, so if you're accussing me of something, that's not what's happening

I just think it taints interactions and how people act. It's a bad thing to say either way, but whatever.

[nomnomnom]

Okay so

Town
Nom because of shoshin fip
Vorkuta I'm still town reading vorkuta for his pushes and spats with basically the entire game. I don't see a scum motivation, I see a lot of reasons why some of his play is just BAD if he's scum tho.
Teacher is very likely town for reasons~
NC is basically lock town because shoshin was nk'd
Skitter and nom I think is tvt. Also, skitter's play d1 does not really imply a shoshin night kill (unless it was done over her objections). I mean, skitter is good, but I just want to town read this. She's working so hard on this game and I think it's a bit more WIM than the scum!skitter I've seen.
Bujaber I'm liking the tone and aggressiveness of his d2 so far. flubber hammer is actually probably town-indicative if NC is town, and I think he is.
Cinnamon is still town


Not town - this is poe as much as anything else. If I've got someone wrong in my town pool, it's probably teacher, Vorkuta, or Skitter in that order.
Dunn - There's basically nothing but a vork tunnel in Dunn's iso
Saladmann - I still gut town this, tbh but someone has to be scum and this might make sense given the town-made clusterfuck of yesterday
DP - DP's evolution on Shoshin's slot yesterday seems pretty awful in retrospect. He basically straddles the fence. I was town reading this slot pretty hard, in large part because of his read on me, but perhaps that was a mistake. DP if you're town I'm sorry LOL, but if you're scum I really hope we roll scum together.

These reads are a big yikes

[nomnomnom]

Saladmann - I still gut town this, tbh but someone has to be scum and this might make sense given the town-made clusterfuck of yesterday

Like jesus christ. That line.

[nomnomnom]

I thought the dp read was worse actually

I'll take it over "SOMEONE HAS TO BE SCUM IDK!" lmao

[nomnomnom]

urap is just clearly not following this game very well, these reads make that apparent.

That or he has a VERY weird way to see it and I really don't like that.

[nomnomnom]

urap is just clearly not following this game very well, these reads make that apparent.

This is scum-indicative for him i'm p sure

He definitely was more involved in that full-length towngame I played with him, yeah.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE COUNT 2.5

Not Voting (2):

u r a person 2, teacher

It's nice when things just fit.

Unsure of the meaning of this sentence.

[nomnomnom]

Nom has an uncanny gift of being able to completely conf!scum themselves whenever I give that slot the slightest bit of leeway and plausibility

I honestly have stopped to understand what you were on about for a good few days now and the cryptic messaging doesn't help, really.

[nomnomnom]

BuJ was saying urap and I are scum together and vork was agreeing.

I kinda got that but urgh

nevermind

[nomnomnom]

Like I don't want to think that he'd abuse the communist hydra gimmic you know?

What kind of read is that

[nomnomnom]

Nom, how are you reading cinn and dunn?

I see no reason to scumread them.
I have *some* fears about Cinnamon though.

[nomnomnom]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

[nomnomnom]

I am so confused

[nomnomnom]

I have a better question

Can you tell me what the hell was that entrance

[nomnomnom]

I have a better question

Can you tell me what the hell was that entrance

I have like no plans to read, so I want to have fun.

VOTE: pisskop

[nomnomnom]

What a weaksauce reaction. Care to tell me why you dont have a real scumread rn?

Oh, I do.

But then you shatter my thoughts on Cinn's slot with your entrance and I had truisms this game about that slot that you just broke which makes me think that slot is scum.

[nomnomnom]

We havent played together I assume.

It's not about you.

It's about cinn and what you just did.

[nomnomnom]

It's not about you.

All about me. I just made it about me, and now I have rent-free space.

are you a miller yes or no

[nomnomnom]

Look.

I have no time for townies that think they're smart by fakeclaiming or whatever you're doing right now.

Read your role PM, and tell me if you're a miller or not. That's all I ask, then I'll get you up to speed.

I've already lost my mind with a townie making a terrible fakeclaim on day 1 on a claim I knew was bogus, don't make that 2. Please.

[nomnomnom]

If you don't I'll just think you're scum that made a big mistake just about now.

pedit: I guess I'm keeping my vote here then.

[nomnomnom]

I've already lost my mind with a townie making a terrible fakeclaim on day 1 on a claim I knew was bogus, don't make that 2. Please.

sorry let me fix that for you
"I've already lost my mind with shotting a cop claim that flipped VT, don't make me waste another NK. Please"

You've been doing nothing but write meaningless posts like that this whole day phase, how about you do something productive for once?

Like, actually scumhunting?

[nomnomnom]

Okay. You should know that cinn was at least being honest when he said he had multiple parts stapled to his alignment.

...So you're not miller.

[nomnomnom]

Okay. You should know that cinn was at least being honest when he said he had multiple parts stapled to his alignment.

...So you're not miller.

I dont see why it matters.

dude

you haven't read the game

of course you don't see why it matter but it's capital information for what we know about cinn.

For christ sake.

The fact that this sprung up a wagon on me is also ???

[nomnomnom]

If you're not a miller then this slot needs to get lynched btw

[nomnomnom]

Oh my god end my pain

[nomnomnom]

But I mean I feel like youre just saying that because youve changed tactics and Im just saying that to troll

????????

Please read the game.

[nomnomnom]

Oh woooow

Now bunny's alignment is the most important thing on the menu.
NOW.

How very convenient.

pisskop, don't listen to these haters

what the fuck are you on about

You were the first one to doubt that miller claim and now that it's being put into question by the slot itself this is how you're act?

Man what the fuck are you doing

[nomnomnom]

like this game is causing me brain damage, so many posts where I audibly said "what the fuck".

I just don't get it. Are you all I or is it just me?

[nomnomnom]

high*

[nomnomnom]

this is how you're act?

"when vork does it, it's hot air, BS, he's being annoying, *insert reason here*"
"when

literally anyone else does it

, it's solving, much wow, such LAMIST, gamesolvey"

ofc- I'm slightly butthurt

It's not consistent with how you approached this day 1 dude.
How the fuck is this not relevant in your world?? hello???

[nomnomnom]

Vorki, this is a pertinent question.

I think it's complete BS that I'm told to shut up and hold my concerns for most of the game
and finally, when I'm starting to compromise (mostly one-way so far) and see eye-to-eye with some people, this shit gets struck up AGAIN

Because you brought it up and I want to understand.

Nobody told you to shut up, you're not being consistent and honestly you're causing me a headache by how obtuse you're acting. How is the slot you were doubting announcing they actually may not be miller not relevant to the gamestate?

[nomnomnom]

NOW THAT his slot is doing things that I like, approve of, and view as more optimal- you're all like "hurt tags" and shit

...What stuff exactly have you liked from pisskop?

[nomnomnom]

-he scum reads you and it's about time someone took me seriously on it

That's an omgus vote considering he has not read the game at all. That's honestly a terrible reason to like his entrance.

[nomnomnom]

I felt like I shouldn't be playing it like a regular miller but I wasn't sure so I felt like coming out as a miller was a weaker, albeit safer play.

this kid just doesnt stop.


Yes I have miller as part of my role.

UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

There are multiple moving parts moving at once and I don't understand all of them.

I need some time to think about this.

[nomnomnom]

"I am scum and I am losing control of the game state"

"I need some time to get back into my scumPT and work out a new plan"

you are one of the reasons I need to analyze each chess pieces moving right now, just putting that out there

[nomnomnom]

I think there's at least one scum on my current wagon + Skitter for what just happened

[nomnomnom]

I think there's at least one scum on my current wagon + Skitter for what just happened

Uh huh

Think about it.

Guy enters in, I vote him because bad entrance, he votes me as an omgus.

Two people join, and you say I am scummy out of nowhere all of a sudden, forming a completely new wagon in the span of what... 30 minutes?

I'll probably remove piss out of the pool but there is a scum between you 3 100% because if that's not opportunism I don't know what is.

[nomnomnom]

A) i didnt vote him
B) i didnt suddenly say you were scummy, i've been saying thay since daystart, remember? This just reaffirmed it

how did this reaffirm this exactly?

[nomnomnom]

I know you didn't vote him, yet you had the same mindset as me, yet you find I am scummy for it? I don't get it.

[nomnomnom]

You keep pushing awful wagons for awful reasons and dont seem to gave learned anything after the shoshin fiasco yesterfay

You literally said he was scummy for that same reason.

I don't know what sort of game you're playing here but it's probably time to wake up a little bit. We literally have the same mindset about that entrance.

[nomnomnom]

I know you didn't vote him, yet you had the same mindset as me, yet you find I am scummy for it? I don't get it.

I'm inherently objecting to the (possible?) Fake-claim, i'm objecting to the fact that if its fake cinn coasted on it to get town-cred for over a dayphase knowing that it was faje

Fake-claiming is not inherently ai (even if its awful), even thlough you keep pushing it like it is

You are not following this game pretty well, because I have already said that the only way a player like Cinn would come up with a miller fakeclaim is if it was given by a scumpartner.
Fakeclaiming as town does not fit Cinn as a player at all.
This has nothing to do with shoshin fakeclaiming as town and you should know it since it was her meta that lead you to believe she was town despite having a pretty obvious fakeclaim. The meta on Cinn is the exact same thing but in reverse direction.

I have the feeling we're not reading the same things you and I.

[nomnomnom]

It's a sad day when you can't even find back something you wrote lmao

[nomnomnom]

Dude where is that fucking post lol

whatever, that was my entire reasoning this time anyway

[nomnomnom]

I swear I remember making that post though, typing it and everything

I'm shocked I can't find it

[nomnomnom]

Detective Pikachu your posting this day phase has been pretty bad... what happened? Why are you pushing on nom now?

nom, I noticed you moved your vote off of salad - can you move it onto u r a person 2 instead of messing with pisskop? I also noticed vorkuta moved their vote off, leaving us at l-3. I intend for u r a person 2 to be the lynch today

I want to find answers to a few things first.
What's happening today is weird but I can't put my finger on what exactly it is.

[nomnomnom]

It's weird by who?

people on my wagon and skitter.

I don't know what's the deal of DP/Vork/Skitter.

I do not know what they're actually doing and they can't all 3 be opportunistic scum but what they're doing it not good.

[nomnomnom]

Are you seriously complaining that you dislike my reaction ... to a post you didnt write?

You don't get the whole point to this. You're acting opportunistic with me and I can feel it.

[nomnomnom]

No, you were complaining that i didnt understand your mindset, which you felt was similar to mine yesterday ...
Without actually posting the part where you explain your mindset

I'm not a mindreader, so given that the post you thought existed actually doesnt, how am i being scummy in this context exactly

That was a different complain.

I still swear I made that post though, I just can't find it back, but yeah, not relevant.

What do you think about DP and Vork being on my wagon

[nomnomnom]

Detective Pikachu your posting this day phase has been pretty bad... what happened? Why are you pushing on nom now?

Wanted to see what pisskop would do. Also my read on nom has been kinda all over the place and I didn't mind a fresh take there. I wouldn't have minded seeing if she had a townie reaction but I guess piss has already moved on. Are you townreading her?

Doesn't help that the only wagon with momentum has been urap who I'm still townleaning despite his last readslist being kinda bad.

Can I have a readslist from you?

I have absolutely no idea what you are doing right now and what mindset you have this game and that's pretty bad.

[nomnomnom]

Can you detail your read on Skitter, Buj and Teacher

[nomnomnom]

Why are people still scumreading Nero

This is an unreal gamestate.

[nomnomnom]

Why are people still scumreading Nero

This is an unreal gamestate.

Want to lynch U r a person 2 with me?

VOTE: urap
I don't like where these volatile wagons are going so I guess I'll consolidate that.

[nomnomnom]

Did this game just have a mini stroke altogether

or am i in a simulation and the last page or so was generated with bad flags

[nomnomnom]

Why are people still scumreading Nero

This is an unreal gamestate.

why are you townreading him again

didn't you spend day 1 insisting he was unreadable day 1 and that he would be automatically solved later on or something

I'm pretty sure you never actually townread him despite how much you pushed against his lynch

What do you mean "I never townread him"?

I said I put him in my townbin multiple times because he's being his nero-self and the reasons you guys are pushing him is not indicative of him being scum.

[nomnomnom]

Did this game just have a mini stroke altogether

or am i in a simulation and the last page or so was generated with bad flags

why is your view of the gamestate so different than everyone else's ... ?

Probably because people don't

get

it.

[nomnomnom]

I'm fairly sure Skitter with that entrance is townie. Cinn is town for that early game, Dunn has incisive posts that read town, Nero is currently playing like the town game I played with him so I am inclined to put that as town.

This was earlier, I know, but that's my mindset.

I detailed my mindset this way to say that I do not have any reason to scumread him. And I still don't.

[nomnomnom]

Once I see something that gives me some food for thought about Nero being scum, I'll revisit the read.

For now he's on my townleans. Call that towncore/townlean/townbin/null-town, whatever. I don't like clear defined cases.

[nomnomnom]

I do not want to lynch him, and I don't want him to get lynched would be an even better way to phrase it, other than reads.

Because I feel we're on the same wavelength this game about a lot of things and that proves that he follows along with me the game. You guys are saying he's not following the game, but I *know* he is because of a few factors. That criticism could actually be applied to a lot of other people here. You just don't realize it. And that also creates your confusion about "OMG NOM WHY DO YOU SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY?!?!??!?!"

It's simple, really.

[nomnomnom]

Spoiler:

@nom while you’re on who do you town.

Townreads?

I'm fairly sure Skitter with that entrance is townie. Cinn is town for that early game, Dunn has incisive posts that read town, Nero is currently playing like the town game I played with him so I am inclined to put that as town.

My gut says DP is actually town here although it's a completely stupid reason to believe so and I'd rather not delve in it.

I'm also inclined to believe that URAP is town leaning when re-reading a few things from him too. That's where I am at right now.

Nom do you have a metric to read nero by?

I do.

But not day 1.

The only reason I townread him in our large is because I saw clear as day that he was a player doing his job throughout the game. The fact he interacted with everyone in equal terms is a strong indication of him being town. I believe he is a talkative player in general regardless of alignment but like... he's a hard player to sort unless we reach that part of the game where I have to actively sit down and go through everything that was said. That's how I sort slots like him. I don't believe you're going to sniff him as scum this way.

His lynch is a crapshoot today. But I guess my opinion doesn't really matter.

The next best lynch today is between vork and teacher.

It even has nothing to do with annoyance. People can be annoying sometimes (nero certainly was an annoying idiot at certain times of our large normal for example) but it's never a reason why I scumread people.

It's just the agenda that I see.

Trying to sort Nero day 1 is a crapshoot.

I wouldn't advise it.

If he's town he's probably just as likely to cost us the game as if he was a fourth scum, and I see no problem with just believing he's scum right now.

Unload the baggage so the rest of the town can carry = least risky option

That's a gross assessment given that the last time I played with Nero he was the person that managed to make himself known as the obvtown slot on a LYLO and allowed me to basically solve early on.

If it wasn't for a personal grudge from another person we would have won that game.

Nero is good in those spots. His alignment will be clear as day eventually.

I really dislike that you've been going for "the least risky slots" because that was your rationale to go for EvilDeanius too in the first place.

I already know Nero Cain is an awful lynch. Scums are using this tide to redirect today's lynch on a random poor sod they can find a fastest case on, and that person is NC. And it's not even because of reads, it's just because of his posting style and kind of antagonistic attitude that is NOT alignment indicative. It's literally the reason we lost our previous game. Do you want to let things happen like that again? I don't. I already know where this is going.

VOTE: shoshin

Nero is still a bad vote/lynch.

Hey Nom, what do you think of my analysis of Nero?

Can you help me understand what makes Nero town?

I don't think much of it, because Nero is not actually a townread of mine. He's a nullread even though this has been fairly similar to how he played as town in the large normal I played with him.

He's fairly belligerent when challenged and will not hesitate to 1v1 people for the sake of going 1v1 against people, which he had done with my mason partner last game. That's why I find the scumread on him for doing this thing here by whoever said that (I think it was flubb?) completely asinine.

I just think NC is a bad day 1 lynch period.

like, to be honest you've been kinda all over the place on him. you start with a townread, then spend half the day insisting he basically just can't be read but that he shouldn't be day 1, then get really upset that the person you say can't be read is getting wagoned

like this whole progression is just weird af to me and it's one of the things I least like about your slot

since we're having conversations about re-evaluating people when was the last time you all re-evaluated nom btw?

I have been. I'm not good at coming up with stable reads, my paranoia tends to fuck around with me from a lot of angles and I tend to overthink things really hard. I often get lost in my own head.

Skitter got a bad feeling out of me for that in the micro we played together for that, because of my "all around the place" mentality, but I was town there and I got endgamed for it. I tend to think a lot. I need people to discuss with me. You'll only get current feelings though.

[nomnomnom]

u r a person 2 (4):

NerfedBuJ, Saladman27,
Dunnstral, nomnomnom

(L-2)

Nero Cain (4):

skitter30, teacher, pisskop,
Detective Pikachu

(L-2)

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

teacher (1):

Nero Cain

Not Voting (1):

u r a person 2

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-08 11:00:00)

I think nom is more likely scum and nero is more likely the pocket if we want to go back to nom

i'm viewing it the other way around

I don't want to be rude but you guys are honestly blind.

[nomnomnom]

Stop wasting your time with garbage reads and sort in other slots. I'm actually floored that we even get there. Sort the more problematic slots instead of people that have clearly understood the gamestate, for christ sake.

God fucking damn it.

[nomnomnom]

At a certain point you guys are going to lead me to believe you're doing that on purpose by the way.

I'm sure the scum PT is having a good laugh out of making me go maniac.

[nomnomnom]

I feel like nom's AtE is wildly inconsistent with the read she expressed on nero

nero has kinda done an overexplainy thing he does sometimes do as scum but his day 1 post rate was pretty significantly above average and that was before he was really getting pushed

like I don't get how nom's thought process is working irt Nero, it's like she wants to white knight him but like, not really? it's just weird man

I only thought Skitter was the one with the reading comprehension problem in this thread but i guess we have two people now.

Stop wasting your time on me and Nero.

Just vote Urap and end today instead of wasting space with actual garbage reads.

[nomnomnom]

doing what on purpose?

Just go re-read this game would you

[nomnomnom]

I don't even know what's going on in your heads to be frank.

"omg someone defends a player I scumread! MUST BE SCUM!"

Is that actually what you're going for? Because holy fuck

[nomnomnom]

the kill on sho would reflect her believing sho was a cop

are you actually fucking kidding me

Yeah, you're doing this on purpose.

[nomnomnom]

but you didn't... I asked for towncases on Nero and you said "nero is unsortable but not today's lynch" which was not a towncase

it's actually your weird, ate-full but nonetheless non-analytical defense of nero that has left me so baffled in regard to your two slots

How is that contradictory?

I said that from an objective viewpoint. Even if I had no reason to townread nero day 1 he would be FAR from the first guy I would lynch, yesterday or today. I have no reasons to scumread him, what the fuck more do you want? You're the one that wants to make a case on him, and you made it, and I said "nah, that's not making him scum, I don't buy that". That's all, that's how I play!!

I'm not voting there ever today. He's the only guy that understands what the fuck is going on and you two are going around like clueless chickens making awful wagons after awful wagons for no reasons other than "extending the day" and "YEAH BUT LIKE DON'T END TODAY" when urap is actually a good lynch for making god awful reads and looking scummy as hell for it. Same for salad. And you want to lynch the guy that understands things and is the only one that got things when I explained them? Fuck no, fuck that.

You guys are bonkers.

[nomnomnom]

Like what the fuck kind of drugs did you take to write, UNIRONICALLY, that I would fucking buy that cop claim as scum, not only that, but also paint a HUGE target on my back as a result for asking a scumteam to go for that the next night???

OBVIOUSLY the scums believed shoshin's claim, but you want to point at ME and say "lol she decided to kill her because she believe the claim"??? Are you serious?

What kind of fucking drugs are you on, guys?? I'm just honestly mnad. This is insulting. Nobody is listening at all.

[nomnomnom]

Do you REALLY want me to quote all these posts where I said "Shoshin never flips cop" or??????

[nomnomnom]

u r a person 2 (4):

NerfedBuJ, Saladman27,
Dunnstral, nomnomnom

(L-2)

Nero Cain (4):

skitter30, teacher, pisskop,
Detective Pikachu

(L-2)

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

teacher (1):

Nero Cain

Not Voting (1):

u r a person 2

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2019-07-08 11:00:00)

i don't have a good sense for that offhand, what do you think about it?

i think her reads are bad but that she actually believes them

What reads are you talking about here?

[nomnomnom]

Yes I know you think my townread on nero is garbage

What other reads are garbo?

[nomnomnom]

me, dp, nero, i'm still stuck on shoshin from yesterday

i don't know what ur other reads are offhand rn, you wanna share an updated readslist?

I have a really hard time with reads right now.

You're honestly almost all acting fucking weird and my brain has a hard time processing that.

I have a few roadmaps in mind, like "urap salad lynch good" and "nero lynch BAD BAD BAD".

I'm honestly still angry at these last series of posts because of how stupid they are, this doesn't help.

I don't want to think anymore, I just think you all had a stroke at the same time and it just makes me go insane. Literally.

[nomnomnom]

I'm just posting from the heart most of the time, alright? I just post what I think. I don't have the best explanations for it, and I switch a thousand times, and the more time passes the more i go around the whole table doubting everyone and I end up with writing a shit load of walls of texts unless I lost all credit around the table and get endgamed eventually.

This is just happening all over again because

I just don't get what you're all doing

[nomnomnom]

until I lose all credit*

[nomnomnom]

I just understood something valuable, and that's I should stop scumreading things I consider inherently stupid, and DP is writing a lot of stupid stuff right now that honestly makes my blood boil because it would literally take ONE second for anyone to see this is just an awful read on the gamestate.

But god is it hard. I can't parse the two. IT fucks with my rbrani

[nomnomnom]

Skitter cna I just ask you why urap is just not a better lycnh right now?

You said you'd go there, right? Why are you going Nero right now? You have someone like me hard defending nero because I know someone understanding the world with my eyes has a low probability to be scum, yet you go for him. I don't get it. Urap just feels like he gave up yet you're not goign there and that fucks with my brain because I know you're a player that has a good rep around the table and that you;re going to use that to push lynches that I think are absolutely atrocious. And you're doing that right now fmpov. ANd that's why I have these pings from you.

So why??

[nomnomnom]

This just honestly feels like a repeat of the large i played with him too, except that i had my mason partner going against him constantly but I didn't have a strong hold on the game except trying to defend my mason partner. Nero understood things very quickly about the gamestate and was very transparent about what he understood and that's what he's doing too this game. THAT is exactly why someone like him, understanding the world through my eyes and having the same vision of the game as me cannot be scum. I refuse to believe that.

[nomnomnom]

sorry, who's the 'he' in the first sentence, it's a little hard for me to follow what you're sayign there?

nero

[nomnomnom]

I think Nero has a point with what he said about claiming.

People have been trying to pile up odd wagons today and that's the reason that's made me go perplex about some players.

Either they're playing really bad either some of them are doing things on purpose and honestly I believe some of you are just playing dumb.

Like vork is just ???? Dp is just ????? skitter is just ?????

[nomnomnom]

can we have a prod on saladman please

[nomnomnom]

If I hammer can we finally lynch Nero tomorrow?

no

[nomnomnom]

They probably suspected that he was a power role

What makes you say that?

also [vote}saladman[/vote] Unsure how this slot is still alive.