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Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:35 pm

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In post 1362, rosterfoster wrote:I would rather a quote (just one), instead of some waving-hands about what he has done.
Here's a quote for your smart bum:
In post 1162, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1153, Eyes without a face wrote:
In post 649, Jesus Louisus wrote:What are you all doing???? Lynching me is bad for you all.
You didn't explain this, did you?
Lynching town is bad.
He initially was crumbing a PR (that's the way I read it) and even though I didn't buy it his appealing hinted he might be (which is why I wanted to unvote him and let him be for one more day), but then he claimed VT. Tell me how lynching a VT is "bad for us all"?? It happens all the time, you know.
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Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:36 pm

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the way roster is defending JL suggests JL might be a strong scum role they cannot afford to lose now!
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Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:40 pm

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JL also said nom was a scum lean in 1164m yet in 1350 he says he doesn't think nom is scum. Which is it?

He also says he is not advocating a lynch on nom when had already voted earlier (the 3 successive votes I referred to). So, he scum reads nom but doesn't think he's scum and he voted him but doesn't want to lynch him? If I had a jaw it would have hit the floor already.
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Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:13 pm

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In post 1402, Eyes without a face wrote:JL also said nom was a scum lean in 1164m yet in 1350 he says he doesn't think nom is scum. Which is it?

He also says he is not advocating a lynch on nom when had already voted earlier (the 3 successive votes I referred to). So, he scum reads nom but doesn't think he's scum and he voted him but doesn't want to lynch him? If I had a jaw it would have hit the floor already.
Jesus changed his vote before saying he doesn’t think Nom is scum. Seems to me like their read naturally progressed.

Considering JL wasn’t even voting this Day until I said something makes me think they just aren’t certain in their reads. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t want to lynch Jesus.
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Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:09 pm

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Dont lynch Jesus. He nice, the Jesus.
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Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:13 pm

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wich one?
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:23 pm

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Either. Actually I straight up TR you and am kinda town lean to null on JL. This is mostly a gut read and because if the rolefishing thing is one of the main points against him I just don't see it as a great argument, and I'm not thrilled about Nom pushing it and then switching to eyes anyway. I might just be paranoid about nom though.
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Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:25 pm

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I'll get around to looking over eyes. And I think I'll be done doing an initial sort soon.
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Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:34 pm

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Just looking at this page alone though, I'd vote eyes over jesus. 1400 is not even a good reason to scumread someone. 1401 is entirely speculation. 1402, scumreads JL for changing his read between almost 200 posts. Honestly I'll have to look at that tomorrow when I've got time. Maybe he's got something there if it really doesn't line up but intuition says that's plenty of time to change a read this early on.
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Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:09 pm

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Fine. I'll just stay on JL and let you all sort thing out. My only other option would be Vorkuta, but only if a serious wagon springs out there. Not voting outside of these two until they're both dead or mechanically cleared. Thanks for your time and dedication.
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Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:23 pm

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AMA
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Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:02 pm

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In post 1398, Eyes without a face wrote:
In post 1349, rosterfoster wrote:Btw Jesus I don’t think Nom is scum. The points they are making are different to Eyes, who is using the whole ‘everyone must act completely logically at all times’ approach.
emotionally disturbed
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Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:04 pm

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In post 1398, Eyes without a face wrote:
In post 1349, rosterfoster wrote:Btw Jesus I don’t think Nom is scum. The points they are making are different to Eyes, who is using the whole ‘everyone must act completely logically at all times’ approach.
-as town- I would be focused on one particular player that I would be most confident in them being scum.
You know, there are more than 1 way to do these things.
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Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:06 pm

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Why is religion scummier than the illuminati?
The only one who can decide your worth.. is you
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Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:06 pm

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In post 1409, Eyes without a face wrote:Fine. I'll just stay on JL and let you all sort thing out. My only other option would be Vorkuta, but only if a serious wagon springs out there. Not voting outside of these two until they're both dead or mechanically cleared. Thanks for your time and dedication.
Are you and nom the same person?
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Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:10 pm

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Do you think my wagon at it's peak was filled with more town or scum players?
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Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:46 pm

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In post 1413, Kirari Momobami wrote:
Why is religion scummier than the illuminati?
Religion is obvscumming but most people ignore it because they are brainwashed from their childhood
Idk about illuminati
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Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:48 pm

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In post 1415, Jesus Louisus wrote:
Do you think my wagon at it's peak was filled with more town or scum players?
Idk about peak because i didnt read but I say it is filled with town because scum already lost member only father knows how many left
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Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:49 pm

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In post 1416, RedFlavor wrote:
In post 1413, Kirari Momobami wrote:
Why is religion scummier than the illuminati?
Religion is obvscumming but most people ignore it because they are brainwashed from their childhood
Idk about illuminati
I am stupid I thought you asked what you wrote
I didn't even know there were someone called eyes without a face in this game.
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Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:32 pm

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In post 1380, popsofctown wrote:Mods put out some setups that are frustratingly busted in favor of town so if we
don't
stop lynching town PRs we might just win anyway with 1 scum down already.
Are you suggesting that we lynch town so poor scum don't have a hard time winning?
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Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:03 am

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In post 1380, popsofctown wrote:IDK if it's scummy but it's antitown how much Deasvail has been chattering at Kublai Khan 1v1. I can't even remember what they were arguing about. Larges are literally the one game type where thread throughput is like really important to win % and neighborhood PTs are a legitimate power role.
Deasvail also wants to lynch my slot if I'm not "impressive". That's... unfortunate.
Why are you attributing blame for the 1v1 stuff with Kublai to me? I responded to Kublai saying things about me, then in response to a questions I went (admittedly a bit OTT) RAWR RAWR, then I realised the RAWR RAWR was OTT and unhelpful and probably inaccurate and quite intentionally disengaged. (I need to make it clear that I don't think Kublai was anti-town from it either)

I am genuinely curious though, because I wouldn't have thought that the logical perception was that I was anti-town from it.

But given that you obviously seem concerned about my need for you to "impress", I can't shake the feeling that you're trying to discredit me?

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Now regarding Eyes, I actually really like Roster's case. I think it's a good case. Similar to Niko in some ways I think there's a lot of INFORMATION in Eyes' posting and (lol throwback to end of Day 1) I still find it difficult to parse!

More than most reads, I can see a world where I'm wrong, but if I had to call it, I'd go with town here.

The few things that stand out to me are:
In post 1059, Eyes without a face wrote:
In post 1044, Not Known 15 wrote:Creature has been killed.
GOOD shot.
I would feel super awkward saying something like this as scum. I would even feel awkward saying it as town out of fear that I'd look scummy! That's how awkward it is!

, , - I don't think scum would have the gall to gloat about getting Niko lynched? I'd expect at least a small amount of fake remorse for the situation with Niko Day 1.

I also ended up at the opinion that the sheer BRAVADO at the end of Day 1 was more likely town overestimating the IMPACT of their townflip than scum pretending to.

And ultimately, I mean this in the most endearing way, but I get the sense that Eyes is just posting whatever random stuff they have in mind at the time, without really thinking it through.

The reason I'm worried about being wrong is because of this last part, because I know that scum can adopt a similar thing of just posting white noise and nonsense and whatever comes to mind constantly in an effort to drown out any opposition and look town in the process. And there's a possibility that this is that, I'm scared to be going against what seems to have become a popular opinion but I'm going to stick to my fictitious guns.

Right now, I think Eyes is town.

Very happy to have a conversation about this though.

I would also pursue wagons on any of Vorkuta, Pops or Otter before Eyes.
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Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:24 am

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In post 1419, Jesus Louisus wrote:
In post 1380, popsofctown wrote:Mods put out some setups that are frustratingly busted in favor of town so if we
don't
stop lynching town PRs we might just win anyway with 1 scum down already.
Are you suggesting that we lynch town so poor scum don't have a hard time winning?
No, I'm suggesting we don't engage in high-risk high-reward play while ahead.

You make high-risk high-reward play when you're behind, and low-risk low-reward play when you're ahead, that goes for any game.
Setup design on this site being a little grossly protown puts town a little ahead, a scum PR being dead puts us even further ahead.

Forcing something powerful like an investigative to claim is the risk we run if we shop around the entire playerlist getting claims.
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Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:32 am

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seems outside of what I think eyes' scumrange would be on a bus so I think a Jesus Louisus lynch can teach us a lot.

I'm going to iso Vorkuta so I can remember something about him besides his avatar and tell you whether I'd be willing to vote that or not.
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Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:37 am

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#teamjesus or #teameyes

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Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:46 am

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DV probably town bc why would scum not jump on me in this situation? I am well aware Niko flipping green made m look bad and DV wasn't even on Niko so it would be easy for scum him to vote me here and still look clean.

@JL: English isn't my first language so maybe emotionally disturbed wasn't the right term to use. Sorry if that came off as a personal insult, but if you read it in context you'd probably realize it wasn't.
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