Micro 880: A Normal Game - Game Over!

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #7

the worst (1) - callforjudgement (222)

OkaPoka (3) (L-2) - TemporalLich (167), the worst (169), skitter30 (191)

Dunnstral (1) - Firebringer (138)
SweetNSassy (0) -
skitter30 (0) -
Firebringer (0) -
TemporalLich (2) - Sleepless Assassin (158), OkaPoka (164)
Not Voting (2) - Dunnstral, SweetNSassy

Lynch Threshold

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 will end on July 13, 2019 9:30:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) or in (expired on 2019-07-13 21:30:00).

Moderator Notes

1. If you have regular weekend V/LA, you must either notify me each time or set V/LA tags each time.
2. If you see any errors in the votecount, please let me know.
3. If you are strictly changing your vote, I prefer it if you just change it rather than unvote and then change it.

Voting History Key: * = Hammer, + = L-1 vote.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

the worst: skitter30 (90) --> (Null) (168) --> OkaPoka (169)
callforjudgement: Firebringer (94) --> OkaPoka (157) --> the worst (222)
OkaPoka: SweetNSassy (85) --> Dunnstral (105) --> TemporalLich (164)
Sleepless Assassin: TemporalLich (93) --> Dunnstral (108) --> TemporalLich (158)
skitter30: OkaPoka (191+)
Firebringer: Dunnstral (91) --> skitter30 (111) --> Dunnstral (138+)
TemporalLich: OkaPoka (87) --> Dunnstral (109+) --> OkaPoka (167)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Dawn (Pregame; reference purposes only)

Sleepless Assassin: callforjudgement (14)

[OkaPoka]

I see from post 123 now you're going with the resistance thing. How much resistance can really be expected if Dunn as scum only has one buddy, maybe two but most likely not? Especially if his buddy wasn't around. Ugh, I type that out and see callforjudgement beat me to that point. I'll leave in in my post anyway and my questions in the above paragraph still stand. Im also curious what you think of the timing of firebringers (why did my phone auto correct to fire fingers?) vote on you and whether you'd consider that to be resistance.

i don't know, i'm just kinda speaking from experience - i've not often seen scum get run up this fast in a micro
i don't know necessarily what their buddy may be doing, i'm just kinda saying holistically after playing a lot of micros i can't think of any offhand where scum got l-1'd that fast

if scum is getting wagoned there's two votes that wont' be on that player
but if town is getting wagoned in a lol-rvs kind of way, there's two scum who would be happy to join the wagon. idk if dunn's town or if there were two scum on him but i think that in that kind of wagon scum are happy to place votes so there won't be resistance

like i guess i'm not really looking at this from the poe of: if he's scum there would have been resistance so what's his buddy doing
but more like: in general in a micro i think it's p easy for town to get run up, esp in a lol-rvs wagon, since scum have little incentive to not vote, so the fast wagon kinda looks like this scenario to me

i hope that explained my thought process

and yeah i thought fire's vote offwagon was some of that potential resistance if it actually is a wagon on scum

thanks for explaining why im town!

[OkaPoka]

me not voting lich immediately is the amount of time it took for me to realize that the dunn wagon cannot be milked for anymore potentially game advancing content

i don't understand what you're trying to say here

wagons make content but once the wagon loses its steam its time to find another wagon

until you start getting reads and stuff

[the worst]

UNVOTE: oka let's talk when you're around. I might need a hand getting into this game.

[TemporalLich]

the oka wagon is withering...

158 doesn't gel with me, but I doubt the sharpness of 213 comes from scum.

I'm conflicted between Oka (the wagon is just dying lol) and the worst (not much towniness but I can understand) right now.

[the worst]

the worst (not much towniness but I can understand)

talk about this?

[TemporalLich]

the worst (not much towniness but I can understand)

talk about this?

Gonna say 253 is the most indicative post of my read on you.

I'm saying you haven't eased into this game yet.

[callforjudgement]

158 doesn't gel with me, but I doubt the sharpness of 213 comes from scum.

Really? #213 is the sort of post that scum can make as easily as town can. It's a "town-sided" post in that the information is helpful, but it's also the sort of information you can give out without really understanding the gamestate.

An old method of catching scum, which used to be fairly reliable (although basically all scumtells become less reliable once they're widely known), is if they were

only

making #213-style posts without also making posts that were more alignment-indicative. That isn't happening here, though; Sleepless Assassin also has posts like #210, so I don't think there's any particular lack-of-analysis going on there. So #213 is just null from a reading point of view (but definitely welcome from the point of view of helping out a newbie).

[TemporalLich]

I guess I can see how the sharpness of 213 may just be LAMIST

[callforjudgement]

thanks for explaining why im town!

Just dropping a note here for myself to check back at this on a future day once we have some flips: in particular, I think it's almost impossible that OkaPoka would make this flippant comment if both OkaPoka and skitter were scum. (I have a tendency to forget about inferences like this, so posting them in-thread seems like a good idea so that I don't forget them.)

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: sweetnsassy

the more defenseless, the better

I am not a hydra

What is this a response to?

[Dunnstral]

sweet n sassy sounds like a hydra name. are you a hydra?

I guess it's this

[Dunnstral]

why r u so confident in dunn being scum?

I've got no other SR's and the game is stagnating.

this right here tells me Lich is over-confident read has a lot of bravado in it

Maybe you should be voting him instead of me then, since you don't really have a reason to be voting me..?

[Sleepless Assassin]

Firebringer what is your read on temp?

ehhh he always feels like scum to me so i kind of want to say town

How's that lead you to town and not null? When he's felt like scum before was it for the same reasons as this game or different reasons? What do you think his scum game would look like?

i hope that explained my thought process

Yes, thanks, I see where you are coming from. It just feels like a lot of assumptions without thinking about the specifics of this game. It seems like you saw a fast wagon and kind of jumped to "well Dunn is probably town then" without thinking about why you felt that way. But after this post, and don't take this the wrong way, it feels more like you just didn't look at the situation hard enough and just ran with something that is set in your mind which seems like a genuine mistake more than anything malicious. It also seems like you aren't set on the read and I don't necessarily think that Dunn or firebringer is scum anyway so I'm ok with dropping it.

VOTE: sweetnsassy

the more defenseless, the better

I am not a hydra

Ok, let's play a game here. I'm giving you a lot of power. You get to guess who is scum right now. If you get it right, the game is over and town wins. If you're wrong, you get a bag of gummy bears and a participation trophy just for trying. So nothing to lose, right? Ready, go!

So #213 is just null from a reading point of view (but definitely welcome from the point of view of helping out a newbie).

I should mention that I'm actually the one who brought her to the site and only joined this game so we could play together.

[OkaPoka]

Hi duck

Im phoneposting but I'm interested in what you were trying to accomplish so far

[SweetNSassy]

VOTE: sweetnsassy

the more defenseless, the better

I am not a hydra

What is this a response to?

duh its right there

[OkaPoka]

the worst lets chat if ur down

[OkaPoka]

are you related to TheWorst by any chance?

[skitter30]

Yes, thanks, I see where you are coming from. It just feels like a lot of assumptions without thinking about the specifics of this game. It seems like you saw a fast wagon and kind of jumped to "well Dunn is probably town then" without thinking about why you felt that way. But after this post, and don't take this the wrong way, it feels more like you just didn't look at the situation hard enough and just ran with something that is set in your mind which seems like a genuine mistake more than anything malicious. It also seems like you aren't set on the read and I don't necessarily think that Dunn or firebringer is scum anyway so I'm ok with dropping it.

yeah fair, it was entirely a 'this gamestate feels kinda like there's no resistance so i think it's less likely that he's scum here' feelz based read; from there i didn't go on to try to figure out where a partner could have been, and i probably should have

and yeah i'm not set on it, i think it was fine read for page 5 or whatever it was but ti's not something i'd take to the bank or base a lynch on really, it was more on observation about the gamestate then anything else

[OkaPoka]

SKITTER how would you rate your towncase on me

[skitter30]

I should mention that I'm actually the one who brought her to the site and only joined this game so we could play together.

ah ok, thanks for the context

do u have any thoughts on her alignment thus far?

[skitter30]

VOTE: sweetnsassy

the more defenseless, the better

I am not a hydra

What is this a response to?

duh its right there

do u have any other thougths on the game?

[skitter30]

SKITTER how would you rate your towncase on me

i think i feel differently about your wagon and the dunn wagon because i don't undertand why dunn was getting wagoned there (and thus felt like it was a lol-rvs wagon that weirdly had momentum, which made me feel like there were probably scum votes on it) vs. i scumread you and want you to be wagoned so i feel like the wagon on you is justified and there's random people defendign you for no good reason (firebringer)

so i don't think the situations are much similar at all

i do think telling me to rate my 'towncase' on you when i was p obviously talking about dunn and am scumreading you is a kinda (?) weird thing for scum to do so
still kinda mulling this over

[skitter30]

town: temporal lich, sleepless assassin
town side of null: cfj
null: dunn, sweetnsassy
scum side of null: firebringer
scummy: okapoka

scummy kinda but i have no idea if what he's doing is ai for him rn: the worst

[OkaPoka]

time to color ur reads skitter

OkaPoka

(4) (L-1) -

callforjudgement

,

TemporalLich

,

the worst

,

skitter

Dunnstral

(4) (L-1) -

OkaPoka

,

Sleepless Assassin

,

TemporalLich

,

Firebringer

hmm

it fits pretty well with what you are saying

u can be town