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[Kirari Momobami]

No scum shooting Eyes would imply there isn’t a SK/they thought there isn’t one IMO.

#townslip time - do scum get told if there’s a traitor?

A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:
is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team,

although they should know a Traitor exists

cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops

Didn't we already have this conversation?

[Kirari Momobami]

If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?

why would he?

Keep pressure away from Creature

After niko claimed scum I think creature was under no pressure?

[popsofctown]

I can't remember the last time I played a game with a traitor but I definitely didn't pay attention to this exchange

[popsofctown]

so maybe my theory is actually good???

[LuckyOtter]

If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?

Your question is backwards. If scum!Montosh part of the 5 votes then it's more likely that Nikomislynch is at risk of not truly occurring because a high number of mistaken townies is needed. Since scum!Montosh actually wasn't part of the five votes it is more likely that RedFlavor could keep his hands clean of the mislynch whilst the mislynch still occurs.

Really not following you here.

At any rate, in a scum!Montosh world, why would Red join him on Vork to create a competing wagon with Niko, when Creature still has some votes. That play doesn't make sense to me.

[popsofctown]

because Niko claimed traitor and Vorkuta is just a mislynch!

This may be a fantasy but if it is I prefer it to reality.

[Kirari Momobami]

so maybe my theory is actually good???

If not I think it matches the general theory I have which is that scum thought it would go through anyway since the wagon built fast from the town so they did not need or want to join

[popsofctown]

How is it possible to not *want* to join a wagon on someone who says "upsies" though?

[LuckyOtter]

If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?

why would he?

Keep pressure away from Creature

After niko claimed scum I think creature was under no pressure?

But not everyone was sold that that was worth scumreading. I don't think the niko lynch was a given

[LuckyOtter]

also, what a coincidence! i ended up rolling mafia in my first mafia game!

I dunno what to make of this. While I could see it coming from a trolling town; the last 2 times this happened in games I spectated they both flipped scum (the last one was Almost50, the older one was Firebringer iirc)

Like right here. Immediate resistance to scumreading Niko

[popsofctown]

I don't do avatar bets but if you're in a large with me and someone calls themselves "an inoffensive cute newbie button" D1 I have a 1 year avatar bet about who the D1 lynch will be for you to accept LuckyOtter

[LuckyOtter]

niko is town probs but Jesus

And here. I think there was plenty reason to want to push on Niko and keep the focus there, rather than let the focus shift back to Creature once the novelty wore off

[Kirari Momobami]

why would the focus shift back to creature tho? He got focus off him earlier with 3 posts and a hws vote. People were hardly locked on him

[popsofctown]

I don't think every townie in a large is gonna be at the calibre of second glance analysis that ewaf and NC are gonna go to but if I get into an invitational like that I bet it'd be a blast

[Kirari Momobami]

I don't think every townie in a large is gonna be at the calibre of second glance analysis that ewaf and NC are gonna go to but if I get into an invitational like that I bet it'd be a blast

I feel like I don't understand what this is in response to somehow? What invitational?

[popsofctown]

a hypothetical one that doesn't exist

[LuckyOtter]

@Kirari why risk it, though? Why not just stick a vote on Niko if it's such an easy vote to make? I'm saying scum

did

do that and Red didn't want to join his buddy.

Following my thoughts on this one. I'm guessing orfhz over Hirari.

VOTE: ofrhz

[DeasVail]

I’ve had a very exhausting day and so it may take me a little while to be more definitive about where I’m at. I will get to this when I can.

[Jesus Louisus]

Ofrhz, where do you think this days lynch should go? I haven't really got a vibe about how YOU feel about the wagon growing on you.

[ofrhz]

Right I’m going to reread

For some reason I can’t get into this game

[ofrhz]

VOTE: ofrhz

Just sheeping townreads, though not to the point where I'm voting with them since they're voting for me. Well one of them is. Nero I'm not so sure about but he's probably just irritating me. Probably not actually scum though.

Remind me who your townreads are?

[ofrhz]

If Red and Montosh are scum together, why wouldn't Red just jump on the Niko wagon there?

Your question is backwards. If scum!Montosh part of the 5 votes then it's more likely that Nikomislynch is at risk of not truly occurring because a high number of mistaken townies is needed. Since scum!Montosh actually wasn't part of the five votes it is more likely that RedFlavor could keep his hands clean of the mislynch whilst the mislynch still occurs.

Really not following you here.

At any rate, in a scum!Montosh world, why would Red join him on Vork to create a competing wagon with Niko, when Creature still has some votes. That play doesn't make sense to me.

To let town drive the niko mislynch

To create two competing wagons on town?

[ofrhz]

kk town
otter town
kirari townlean
red scumlean

need to re-assess eyes soon
That's about where I am. This game is hard to work in re-looking at day one

This could be distancing from red

Nom avoided voting red and instead voted eyes —> Jesus —> eyes again until Pops started the RF wagon. She jumped on that wagon pretty quickly, which I’d expect scum to do if they thought red was definitely going down

[ofrhz]

I still think otter is more towny than not though he is going down the rabbit hole of “scum would do this”

[ofrhz]

VOTE: nom