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[skitter30]

oka: i think tl is scum but i'm not going to push his wagon, i'm just going to sit on it. i'm also not going to push anyone else

that looks to me like you just want to vote park

[OkaPoka]

Yes I want to park my vote

[skitter30]

and that's what i mean by continuing to push him for no good reason

[OkaPoka]

I have a good reason

It's been the same reason

[OkaPoka]

and if you are asking why im not being an active pusher (my definition)

its because sweetnsassy isnt doing anything. once that slot starts doing something then ill try and canvas the two votes of dunn and the_worst and maybe canvas the vote of firebringer

but then again they have their own brains and if they dont feel like that lich post was scummy then i dont know what to say other than its scummy

[OkaPoka]

t_w and lich imma need some readslist from you two <3

[OkaPoka]

im also interested in a cjf readslist

[the worst]

as things stand or when I've Done Effort?

[the worst]

{tw}
{skitter}
{oka, dunn}
{cfj} former townlean needs reevaluation

no read on:
SweetNSassy
Sleepless Assassin
Firebringer
TemporalLich

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #10

the worst (1) - callforjudgement (222)
OkaPoka (1) - skitter30 (191)
Dunnstral (0) -
SweetNSassy (2) - Dunnstral (300), the worst (340)
skitter30 (1) - Firebringer (279)
Firebringer (1) - TemporalLich (285)
TemporalLich (2) - Sleepless Assassin (158), OkaPoka (164)
Not Voting (1) - SweetNSassy

Lynch Threshold

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 will end on July 13, 2019 9:30:00 PM EDT (GMT-4) or in (expired on 2019-07-13 21:30:00).

Moderator Notes

1. If you have regular weekend V/LA, you must either notify me each time or set V/LA tags each time.
2. If you see any errors in the votecount, please let me know.
3. Prodded SweetNSassy. Her next post must contain content directly relevant to the game, or I will begin seeking a replacement. She has until (expired on 2019-07-06 08:00:00) with game-relevant content before I seek a replacement.

4. skitter30 is V/LA until Sunday, July 7.[/mech][/color]

Voting History Key: * = Hammer, + = L-1 vote.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

the worst: skitter30 (90) --> (Null) (168) --> OkaPoka (169) --> (Null) (253) --> SweetNSassy (340)
callforjudgement: Firebringer (94) --> OkaPoka (157) --> the worst (222)
OkaPoka: SweetNSassy (85) --> Dunnstral (105) --> TemporalLich (164)
Dunnstral: SweetNSassy (300)
Sleepless Assassin: TemporalLich (93) --> Dunnstral (108) --> TemporalLich (158)
skitter30: OkaPoka (191+)
Firebringer: Dunnstral (91) --> skitter30 (111) --> Dunnstral (138+) --> skitter30 (279)
TemporalLich: OkaPoka (87) --> Dunnstral (109+) --> OkaPoka (167) --> Firebringer (285)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Dawn (Pregame; reference purposes only)

Sleepless Assassin: callforjudgement (14)

[TemporalLich]

t_w and lich imma need some readslist from you two <3

here's a read list I guess

town

- CfJ, skitter

town lean

- sleepless, the worst

meh

- sweetnsassy, dunn

scum lean

- oka

scum

- firebringer

tw and dunn might be one tier too high, meh

[OkaPoka]

firebringer is scum why?

[TemporalLich]

firebringer is scum why?

he has yet to give explanations on his townread of you and therefore doesn't have explanations for his skitter vote in 279.

Oh and 314 is an outright refusal to give said explanations for scumreading (and thus voting) skitter. 320 is an indication we'll never get an explanation of firebringer's skitter SR in any more depth than 204's oka townread which isn't much tbh.

[OkaPoka]

can u click iso on firebringer and come back to me if you still hold those reasons

[TemporalLich]

can u click iso on firebringer and come back to me if you still hold those reasons

ISOing him again again, here are my observations:

83 - mild townping for me

111 - unexplained vote

138 - good L-1, but there's 142 so idk tbh

155 - I still think it's a bad idea

204 - eh I guess it works but it's not really an explanation. Probably the best post from firebringer.

228 - I'd say skitter is giving his thoughts as he plays, so no. At least I think this comes from town more than from scum. This is where the "skitter SR" is.

279 - I still despise that vote, and "I pretty much explained my reasoning on town!oka" seems to show unwillingness to change tbh

314 - still a "I refuse to explain my skitter SR" post

316 - negative charisma

320 - another "I refuse to explain my skitter SR" post

firebringer is potentially scum (bump up to scum lean tier) for refusing to explain stuff when pushed.

still leaving my vote on firebringer because honestly refusing to explain stuff is not good for the town.

[OkaPoka]

umm but then by your admission firebringer explains his skitter sr? even if you think it comes from town more, its still his reasoning?

[TemporalLich]

umm but then by your admission firebringer explains his skitter sr? even if you think it comes from town more, its still his reasoning?

the thing is... 228 doesn't lead me to much reasons to reconsider my TR of skitter, and when firebringer is pushed to explain his skitter SR he just doesn't.

[Firebringer]

umm but then by your admission firebringer explains his skitter sr? even if you think it comes from town more, its still his reasoning?

Don’t bother trying to piece together logic

[Sleepless Assassin]

V/LA for the weekend

[TemporalLich]

Don’t bother trying to piece together logic

I just get more confused every time I read this post.

[callforjudgement]

My reads so far:

Top scumreads are the worst and OkaPoka (probably in that order, but neither is a strong read). the worst seems to be coasting somewhat, although I guess it could just be the general lack of effort? His read progression on Oka is weird (placing a vote, leaving it there in the apparent hope the wagon goes through, saying "I need to talk to Oka" (and Oka doing the opposite) and them missing each other for quite a bit of realtime, saying there's going to be a perfect Oka read coming (#344), saying the Oka read has arrived (#360), and then posting a readslist in #383 and I'm still not sure what the Oka read actually is. That readslist also has me somewhat suspicious (it's unclear how scummy the "most scummy" end of it is, but it feels like it's somewhere around nulltown, especially as the worst is voting for SnS rather than me); having difficulty forming scumreads is often indicative that a player is scum (although "scum is in the lurkers" is also plausible at this stage of the game).

OkaPoka, meanwhile, seems to be intentionally playing in an anti-town way despite me explaining several times why the playstyle is wrong and what can be done better; insisting on vote-parking on TemporalLich for no reason is just bizarre. (OK, so there was a reason, once; but a lot of other people disagree with it, so if you can't find additional reasons, your vote isn't doing anything where it is.) FWIW, I think the most likely the worst / Oka relationships are a) both scum, or b) one scum one town, with the scum trying to either pocket the townie or get them lynched. Both town would surprise me at this point, although my reads aren't strong enough to rule it out.

Dunnstral is only engaging with a small proportion of the slots, and doesn't seem to be reading the game much. That said, #261 is pretty townish; most scum I know don't say they're missing something, then spend the time to go looking for it (I remembered that the post in question was in-thread, but upon seeing #260 I decided to see how long it would take to actually find the post in the thread, and it was quite a while). I think Dunnstral's more likely to be scum than most players, but the play is most likely to come from a townie who just doesn't care much.

Firebringer's in a bit of a weird place; he seems to have different premises about how the game should be played than most of us do, and as such is coming to different conclusions. I don't think the Oka townread is unreasonable, although I don't disagree with it; "I'm going to act scummy, advertise the fact, and don't care what anyone thinks of me as a result" is IMO a scummy way to behave (especially if you aren't planning to change/explain once you've gotten reads from it), but Firebringer's words and actions both imply that Firebringer thinks it's a more townish way to behave. Many of Firebringer's reads seem fairly nuanced (e.g. #230), which is rare for reads that scum are just making up. I guess my opinion about Firebringer is that I'm not sure he'd be able to play this way as scum (most people wouldn't be, but maybe Firebringer's better at scum than I'm expecting).

SnS is clearly out of her depth and hasn't posted anything alignment-indicative yet. The slot is probably going to be replaced (beyond prod range as I post this), and it's likely to be easier to read the replacement.

Many of skitter's posts have been "going through the motions" somewhat, they're things that are easy to post as town but also easy to post as scum who knows she'd post those things as town. On the other hand, the reads are harder/riskier to fake as scum (being honest about your reads as scum often leaves you caught by PoE), and are a good reason to read skitter as town. skitter seems to have been independently following much the same reasoning as me and coming to the same conclusions, which is evidence that she's thinking about the game from a town perspective.

My read on Sleepless Assassin hasn't changed (unsurprising given the V/LA and corresponding lack of posts): I don't think it's a playstyle that will be able to hide as scum for long, so I'll expect most of the town to be able to read SA accurately by day 2 or 3, and thus there's no reason to lynch the slot early (especially as I think it's also probably town).

TemporalLich is my strongest townread at the moment. The reads / read progression is about as town-indicative as skitter's, but the ISO is much more focused; there's less "going through the motions" and more bringing up points that seem to have required thinking about the game.

[Dunnstral]

Also, thinking about it from another angle: #262 is Dunnstral (slightly) pushing the wagon that OkaPoka isn't pushing. (Dunnstral in general hasn't engaged with the majority of slots, though, so it could just be an OMGUS-type thing.)

Dunnstral, what are your opinions on OkaPoka and on skitter?

Kind of leaning town on him, some of his stuff is awkward. I definitely didn't make post 262 while thinking of him though

Skitter I don't know

[Dunnstral]

[quote="In post 395, callforjudgement"]seems to be intentionally playing in an anti-town way despite me explaining several times why the playstyle is wrong and what can be done better[/quote

How is that scummy instead of just dumb?
VOTE: the worst
Firebringer/sleepless assassin no clue on alignment

Sns slot is above average chance scum

[Ircher]

Seeking a replacement for the worst.

[Ircher]

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