Mini 2084: Pokemon Ruby Mafia - Game Over

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FIRST!!

VOTE: Tim Goodman

p-edit for fucks sake

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Omg I'm glad you're here Tim 'cause I don't get anything what Pikachu is saying

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Still, Gen 2 is better.

Preach!

Fuck yes

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I'm locktowning everyone who calls Gen 2 the best gen. It's an obvious town trait

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Oh wow I should change my avatar, it's far too similar to Pink Ball's

There, that works!

Awww Klick I always saw your Kirby avatar and felt bad for starting this account with the whole gimmick going around being Kirby, can't believe you changed your avatar for me <3

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VOTE: Chemist1422

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Good think I'm not a dog

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Is the pinkball a meta read?

I was going to ask the same

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I'm reasonably confident EP is scum.

Hey, we agree! I think... If EP is the one who posted what I'm thinking

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Interested to hear some thoughts from the following people:

u r a person 2
Lil Uzi Vert
Cinnamon
ClearlyClarity

Lurker scum can be pretty dangerous. These four haven't posted much yet.

Yeah, he is

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Your approach to the game is a scum one.

Haha now everyone knows

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We'll still call you Tim, don't worry

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I don't know who to vote and I'm not expecting to know for a while

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Tim you forgot about me! Don't worry it's okay!

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I'm trying to learn everyone's name before pushing anyone

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Interested to hear some thoughts from the following people:

u r a person 2
Lil Uzi Vert
Cinnamon
ClearlyClarity

Lurker scum can be pretty dangerous. These four haven't posted much yet.

Yeah, he is

Bleagh

Why do you scumread this

'Cause he didn't include me and I'm doing nothing in this game so it felt fabricated instead of a real interest in those slots

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PB you really haven't done much.

I know

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Yeah Gamma is town. One less to determine

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Tim is town too, good to know

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Oh and Espresso Patronum too. 3 solid townreads, that's great for actually doing nothing. I think I can get 3-4 if I get started

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Okey what. OkEY WHAT

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FITE ME SCRUBLORD I'M RIPPED

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Oh ok

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VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

Everything's going as expected.

@Klick I'll explain it later, I want to see more from other slots

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Yeah Gamma is town. One less to determine

Tim is town too, good to know

Oh and Espresso Patronum too. 3 solid townreads, that's great for actually doing nothing. I think I can get 3-4 if I get started

Suddenly getting three confident townreads then going stationary is so newscum!me.

Great!

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So Creature is town too.

Now get rid of me 'cause I'll be a pain in the ass later. Trust my 4 townreads and win. Bye.

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Oh no, everybody's scumreading me, what should I do!

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I like birds

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Best way of keeping alts straight is not having alts in the first place

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:3

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Kirby! Can you give me a tl;dr of your readslist :3

Creature, Tim, Gamma and Espresso are town, Lil Uzi is scum. Everyone else sucks

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Hey look at that, everyone's scumreading me, that means even my partners agree I should be wagoned

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Wait, I wasn't invited to that meeting

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You should put a ring on it

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Hey look at that, everyone's scumreading me, that means even my partners agree I should be wagoned

This feels so trite

Look at everyone's readlist, you're the only one who had the balls to vote me. Nobody wants to throw the first rock.

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Kirby! Can you give me a tl;dr of your readslist :3

Creature, Tim, Gamma and Espresso are town, Lil Uzi is scum. Everyone else sucks

I think this is solid enough for now. I'd be lying if I said I have more than this

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Be more specific

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You're adorable

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Yaaaay

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OMG ARE YOU INVITING ME, LIKE GOING ON A DATE?

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Who in the world told you that a date is commitment lol

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(I'm actually trying to act cool but I'm crying internally)

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Be more specific

I want know what is informing some of your reads rn, I'll say Creature Tim and Espresso for now

I started calling people attention and wanted to analyze whoever called me scum at the begining of the game, then see what their intentions could be. People who didn't call me scum at the begining didn't deserve analysis.

Creature because of the way he started posting. There was no need for his classic bullet posting shenanigans at the begining of the game but he did it anyways so I think he wasn't trying to look town but instead just being town.

Tim because when he's scum he waits for me to call him scum before calling me scum 'cause he knows that's the best way to disengage with me 'cause I don't like being called scum when I'm town. He scumread me before I said my read on him so he genuinely thinks I'm scum and there's no agenda behind. He knows I'm not an easy mislynch so he would've tried to push a wagon on me already instead of leaving me for later.

Espresso I can't recall but I think it was solely because he called me scum at the right time.

That's why LUV is scum too by the way, he townread me for my tone when there was starting to be some consensus on me being scum. That kind of "hot takes" without explanation are just to look good in case I get lynched.

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(Before someone says it: no, I'm not pulling the "iT wAS a REacTiOn TesT" card. I was disengaged and adapted that disengagement to be useful)

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Btw I'm not 100% sure but I think Creature is from Brasil and in 45 minutes they're playing the Copa América semifinals against Argentina. I don't know if he cares but if he do, let's all root for him 'cause he's town and town deserves to be cheered.

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That's ok honey it's not your fault yo repped in a scum slot

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I got you pal, always

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Yeah it's really wholesome.

Who do you think my partners would be?

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Oh no no I wasn't asking you to tie anyone with me, that's irrelevant right now. Just your other scumreads.

Buuuut if you're scum, which you are, ofrhz is in fact the first player I'd townread, so glad you brought her.

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Wait, contribute later? Isn't that enough?

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Ooooh don't trust on that bae

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Oh no no I wasn't asking you to tie anyone with me, that's irrelevant right now. Just your other scumreads.

Buuuut if you're scum, which you are, ofrhz is in fact the first player I'd townread, so glad you brought her.

so ur going to townread ofrhz for me scumreading?

It's actually because of LUV, not you. It's a coincidence you talked about her too. But no, you're not flipped, I'm not making that read now.

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Oooooh Menalque we chatted once about Colombia on sitechat, I couldn't remember why your name seemed familiar.

By the way, Brasil won 2-0, so yay Creature!!

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You got it pal!

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Yeah I know, I was happy to see you in this game! If you could do some v towny things so I can take you out of my lynch pool that would be great

You got it pal!

This after my back and forth with PB feels kinda wonky
If one of these two flips scum the other is a good poke

Hahahahahahahha Gamma I was absolutely following the joke

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That was a great joke tho ngl

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Wow, bussing yourself, what a strategy

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Damn, both Fire and Tim out, I fucked up hard, now I won't have fun

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Pink why is DP scummier than you?

DP is scummier than me?

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But I don't think he's scummier than me, that's the problem. Tbh I have ignored almost everything coming from him, not because I want to, but because I was focused on other slots.

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Creature what happened to you, I can't read you like that

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LUV slot was awful, Creature. But that's not the point. I want to townread you 'cause you're putting a lot of effort that I'm not planning to put into

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But I can't townread you if you keep posting like that 'cause it looks like you're trying to control town rather than help it

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@Menalque Gamma did vote me though. Your case seems to be reactive to Gamma pushing you instead of genuine scumreading him, but sure, let's lynch him, I don't like him alive either.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

L-1

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In that case, UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

He's not my top scumread

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It's making a stance. I don't want to be mislynched in case Gamma gets lynched and flips red, and Menalque is pushing the rethoric that we are partners. Unless you guys think I'm gamethrowing, that vote is distancing myself from Gamma. Because yes, town can distance from other players too.

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Yeah I didn't think about that possibility tbh, but I've been scummy during the whole game so it would be another brick in the wall

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Wait what? Did you feel I'm not having fun right now?

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I don't have a solid scumread on you, but I'm paranoid about you. For instance, in one of your last posts you said "if you don't like being mislynched as town maybe this game is not for you", and that felt like TMI on my slot, as if you KNEW I'm town, which is weird 'cause I haven't played as my town games at all, and you know that 'cause you were wrong on me and I was wrong on you our last game.

But if you want to have fun right now we can talk about how Medel totally fucked Messi

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Also I think you've complained about townsided games a couple of times and that could be legit frustration coming from scum, but that's not a solid argument 'cause I don't know how scum could have more info than town right now other than knowing how many scum members are there. Maybe you're still complaining about Gameshow?

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and that felt like TMI on my slot, as if you KNEW I'm town

I'm strongly townreading you.

Ooooh. Our interactions make more sense now, wasn't expecting that.

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cause I haven't played as my town games at all

Huh? You'd rather play scum?

I meant that, in this particular game, I haven't played as I usually play as town. I tend to lurk more as scum and until now, I think I've been lurking a lot.

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Ok Creature I'll townread you too. Let's talk about Gamma. I was townreading him pretty hard but now I'm not as convinced. Should I go back?

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Maybe you're still complaining about Gameshow?

Gameshow is a single occurence. There are others:

Newbie setup
Unstable mafia
Access point
Large normal 202
That fucking two-full-towm-BPs game

Meanwhile town has been playing worse lately

You've been reading/playing much more than me apparently, so I get the feeling

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I like the orgy part, but yeah we should read RC's list.

@RC and @Fire, please don't tease me if Creature is scum, he's doing it well ok??

Ok that's the last paranoid post I'll make about you until further notice I swear

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I think we could focus on Menalque and Pine

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Chemist is still in this game?????

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ofrhz I'm not convinced yet and I think I can get a pretty good read on her with some more time and interactions. pinturicchio had a solid record on reading her and I'm better than pinturicchio

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But ofrhz voted me and I think that comes from town!ofrhz

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Omg he has +50 posts? I thought she was way less active. And she's in vivi's slot so yeah it could be scum. Let's start there, I don't want to be wrong on Menalque

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VOTE: ofrhz

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70% because of being vivi's replacement and because of her first readlist only. I'll read the rest of her iso. I think Chemist has higher chances of flipping scum tho. 80% there.

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That's even better.

VOTE: Chemist

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I actually like pushing Chemist right now, 'cause if he flips scum, ofrhz is town because of interactions and that would solve a mislynchable slot. Also Chemist's vote on Gamma because he's "willing to follow" Menalque is sketchy

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In Chemist's defense in this ofrhz/Chemist dichotomy (which it isn't a dichotomy at all), Tim was scumreading ofrhz

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In Chemist's defense in this ofrhz/Chemist dichotomy (which it isn't a dichotomy at all), Tim was scumreading ofrhz

If you think ofrhz and Chemist can't be scum together then we're doing ofrhz first.

I do think that because of how Chemist interacted with ofrhz early

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Hi I’m here

I read into ofrhz and urap and I think ofrhz is worse, their reaction to pressure felt kinda off like they didn’t really care but were acting like they did. Urap is a solid null for me rn due to lack of content.

VOTE: ofrhz

I think ofrhz is worse, their reaction to pressure felt kinda off like they didn’t really care but were acting like they did.

what

articulation is hard

It’s like

You do respond to it but you ask a question that isn’t really directly related to the pressure on you

What is the pressure on me about?

Your posting according to Tim, not your read on RP

So me asking "Why?" has nothing to do with how Tim perceives my posting?

I think you put more focus on the RP read as opposed to a basic explanation, if that makes any sense

What is the pressure on me about?

Your posting according to Tim, not your read on RP

Do you know why Tim voted me? Idgi

No because I’m not Tim

So me asking "Why?" has nothing to do with how Tim perceives my posting?

I think you put more focus on the RP read as opposed to a basic explanation, if that makes any sense

It doesn't tbh

That’s fair

Help me help you here, why did you bring up the RP read there?

idk that was the only thing I talked about since Tim started townreading me, so I figured if Tim were to start scumreading me all of a sudden, there was a good chance it had to do with my RP-related posts

I looked in his ISO, didn’t see any indication of a townread

The only real reason I have to TR ofhrz is that I agree with the readslist

I read this as a TR, however light

Disagree but okay

I’m heading to bed but we can talk this out in the morning

oh hi I’m here

still somewhat confident on ofrhz pending not tired read-through

ama

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Sorry should have spoiled that. But Chemist looks like trying to look as town solving his reads. And his last interaction is "I'm still somewhat confident on ofrhz", but today votes Gamma because looks like the wagon is going through. Seems like he forgot his own reads

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I have a secret interaction that I want to hold until flipping Chemist, but there's someone who would look AWFUL if Chemist flips scum

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Are you calling me a hypocrite? I totally am, that doesn't mean I'm wrong tho

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And his buddy would be Menalque? Idk man for me it looks like ofrhz is being consistent and Chemist isn't

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I've been paranoid about them since the game started but I think he's not top priority.

If we agree that lynches should be in {ofrhz, Chemist, Menalque, RedPanda} I think we're into something. And by lynches I mean not only today. Of course we revaluate if we are wrong but I think that's a solid lynch pool, because of the townbloc that is implied with that. If we lynch Chemist and he flips scum I would trade ofrhz for another player, but more into that later.

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Oh shit I forgot about Pine, so the lynchpool is bigger. Hmmm we're not in the great position I thought we were.

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Oh you've been asking me to read ClearlyClarity's ISO and I didn't know she was Pine's slot. Ok Pine can stay with the cool kids for now!

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Sorry Creature it's nap time 'cause I have a birthday party in 2 hours or so and I slept 4 hours last night

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Pinkball if you know your playstyle is scummy, you should change it. Sometimes I feel like you are playing this way to make people overthink that you are playing too scummy to be scum.

I mean, I don't *know* if my playstyle is scummy, I've figured out because of how people tend to interact with me. So no, the "too scummy to be scum" would work on me if I were conscious of what I look like, and I'm not.

Only in this game I played more scummy than usual on D1 'cause I was doing a thing to get started.

Thanks for the recommendation tho.

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But ofrhz voted me and I think that comes from town!ofrhz

Why?

Consistency instead of starting an easier wagon or jumping on an oportunistic one. She's not under the radar, so I don't think that voting me is an attempt to do that or to avoid conflict.

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I've noticed that I've not posted for almost 2 days but I don't have anything new to say either. Are we all waiting for something?

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I think Gamma is right and both him and Menalque are town. Join me on Chemist now

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My only concern about Gamma is that I think it's weird he hasn't been lynched already as town, but maybe the scumteam got ambitious and thought town would mess things up

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You just realized that, I think you could convince yourself onto Chemist as easily as you convinced yourself EP is scum

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I have a secret interaction that I want to hold until flipping Chemist, but there's someone who would look AWFUL if Chemist flips scum

Since Gamma talked about interactions between Chemist and someone else...

If Chemist flips scum, Klick is scum too. Read Chemist's ISO on D1.

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How about claiming Gamma? Seems like there's no turning back from your lynch and I don't want to hammer you

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I want to agree with you Pine, but I've tried to derail Gamma's wagon for a while now and even after your big cool post there seems to be no change at all. ofrhz's vote on Gamma is demotivating at best and infuriating at worst

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I think Gamma's scumpartners would've already hammered him to get towncred if he was scum because of the feeling I'm describing (that there seems to be no turning back), RP.

I'll wait for Pine, I know he can be helpful in this matter.

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I don't like that both Chemist and ofrhz are voting him, that's all

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Gamma is town. Just read Cinnamon's ISO. RP, untunnel mode activate!

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I agree with DP here Klick's push seems to be pretty bad. I don't think their reasons for pushing Pikachu are good at all.

We know DP is town, so here, Cinnamon took an early stance onto defending a player who was, at that time, being one of the first pushes in the game. This defense and stance looks good in retrospective thanks to new info we got.

I have a bit of an EP scumread here. Their response to 67 and not 68 kind of suggests that they're trying to get Tim on their side, or at least take the spotlight off them. While it's not scum indicative to push on lurkers it's an easy way to generate a read as scum and it also helps bring attention to other players when he's getting pushed.

Again, we know Tim is town, so another good post in retrospective, and his logic makes sense from a town PoV: "I don't like the way you're trying to derail the attention on you by calling out a lurker".

I like creature and Tim rn.

Again, Tim is town, and I'm townreading Creature.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

I'm cool with this right now.

Consistent vote.

This is the sort of 'I'm pushing on you for lurking' without actually asking about the things that I've said that make me feel a bit uneasy about you since this type of push would be easy to do as scum.

And here and on he starts engaging with EP because of EP's scumread on him. Two things to say about this: one, is that I agree 100% with Cinnamon, the push from EP felt unfounded and if I were Cinnamon, I would've been frustrated with that push too; and two, is that if Cinnamon was scum, I think his reaction would've been different. Instead of answering with frustration everything EP said, I think he would've tried to engage with other players or at least try to look more comprehensive about EP's push on him, but that wasn't the case. He got in a 1v1 and he couldn't get out.

So there you have it, EP. I initially thought you were scum in those interactions but I changed my mind mid D1 because of your reaction of my scumread on you, and Tim had a solid townread on you so I trusted it. I think you're just plain wrong and you'll be the next lynch after Gamma flips town, so I'd rather lynch somewhere else instead of getting both of you lynched. I think that's what RP is trying to do, but then again, I don't think a scumplayer would be so vocal on doing such an obvious scum strategy. They're letting RP do the dirty job.

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Yep, I'm all clear: today's lynch, brought to you by your lovely host Pink Ball, is between ofrhz and Chemist! *cheers*

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Yeah Klick I now you don't want Chemist lynched but that makes me want to lynch Chemist even more

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What the fuck Gamma I make a solid case on why your slot is town and you go "..." ????

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You know what I'm locking myself in on this hunch: I think Menalque is town and our dichotomy is a TvT. The level of unwillingness to change the course of things tells me scum have 2 mislynches lined up easy. Obviously this points to RP but Chemist and EP are also worth looking at currently. Beyond that I'm going to poke into the wagon shifting weirdness I noted earlier.

You mean this??? I think you read what you wanted to read there just because you're scumreading EP. My read on your slot, pretty easy to read in that case post I just did, is independent of my EP's read, which it can be read in that exact same post. I never said it was a TvT, I said I was townreading both of those slots, which they happened to be scumreading each other. Take the fucking townread I'm giving to your slot to save it and don't mix it with your read on EP, it has nothing to do with it.

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So just to follow your logic: you call a 1v1 a TvT, you THINK I call a 1v1 a TvT and my argument is not original because you called a TvT first? LOL

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Yeah Klick I now you don't want Chemist lynched but that makes me want to lynch Chemist even more

But my reasoning is pretty solid!
If you're worried about me being Chemist's buddy that much why not consider me part of the lynch pool?

'cause I'm not an egotistical maniac who thinks his reads are infallible and I would rather be wrong on Chemist than you 'cause at least you're being helpful (in other words, if Chemist flips town, we lose less than if you flip town).

But I'm all for lynching ofrhz too so let's see how it goes.

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@Gamma EP asked me why I thought Cinnamon's ISO was town because he thought he was scummy, so I was addressing him directly. I said that I agreed 100% with Cinnamon in that 1v1, but that didn't mean I was scumreading him as Cinnamon was. That's all.

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@PB what are the next steps if Chemist flips town?

ofrhz lol

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wtf happened there

But fuck yeah let's lynch ofrhz

VOTE: ofrhz

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Wow, rude

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Implying that I'm scum is rude. C'mon.

Talking about playing, what are you doing right now, Pine?

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I lol'ed Pine not gonna lie.

Nobody's getting lynched before you get something to say.

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I want to agree with you Pine, but I've tried to derail Gamma's wagon for a while now and even after your big cool post there seems to be no change at all. ofrhz's vote on Gamma is demotivating at best and infuriating at worst

? Do you disagree that Cinnamon has been playing differently from their past town games?

I've never played with Cinnamon before and I don't do meta stuff. So the whole Cinnamon scumreads where because of meta? I don't remember that being the case.

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Yep, I'm all clear: today's lynch, brought to you by your lovely host Pink Ball, is between ofrhz and Chemist! *cheers*

No I think this is pretty bad

Why do you scumread Chemist?

ofrhz, look into my eyes and say that again, say that you think that you and Chemist being my two best options is "pretty bad". Do you think you don't deserve to be lynched here? Do you think I'm wrong about you? Like you really think that? Like, take the whole "I'm town you're wrong" bullshit for a moment and tell me: am I wrong at scumreading you in this game? Should I be townreading you, for real????

Same question about Chemist, and now I DO have meta on him 'cause I've played two times with town!Chemist already, both times I've wanted to lynch him at some point on the game (the second time I did lynch him and I was wrong), so I know I tend to scumread him for the wrong reasons, but now I think it's different and I'm following that trail. Again, am I wrong at scumreading that slot? Should I townread him, for real????

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I want to agree with you Pine, but I've tried to derail Gamma's wagon for a while now and even after your big cool post there seems to be no change at all. ofrhz's vote on Gamma is demotivating at best and infuriating at worst

? Do you disagree that Cinnamon has been playing differently from their past town games?

I've never played with Cinnamon before and I don't do meta stuff. So the whole Cinnamon scumreads where because of meta? I don't remember that being the case.

Why would you say that my vote on Gamma is demotivating and infuriating when I said that I looked at Cinnamon's games and came to the conclusion that he is not playing his usual town game here?

Answer my question before asking your own.

Your vote on Gamma was infuriating because we were starting to discuss shit about that slot to see if we should continue with the lynch or maybe start another wagon, and you just came in, yeeted a vote on him and left. You've been really absent in general and especially during this day, so that intermition of yours was, as I said, demotivating for the rest of the people who were trying to figure things out.

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I agree with DP here Klick's push seems to be pretty bad. I don't think their reasons for pushing Pikachu are good at all.

We know DP is town, so here, Cinnamon took an early stance onto defending a player who was, at that time, being one of the first pushes in the game. This defense and stance looks good in retrospective thanks to new info we got.

I have a bit of an EP scumread here. Their response to 67 and not 68 kind of suggests that they're trying to get Tim on their side, or at least take the spotlight off them. While it's not scum indicative to push on lurkers it's an easy way to generate a read as scum and it also helps bring attention to other players when he's getting pushed.

Again, we know Tim is town, so another good post in retrospective, and his logic makes sense from a town PoV: "I don't like the way you're trying to derail the attention on you by calling out a lurker".

I like creature and Tim rn.

Again, Tim is town, and I'm townreading Creature.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

I'm cool with this right now.

Consistent vote.

The summary of this towncase on Cinnamon is that he had a few correct townreads (which isn't hard to fake because scum know who is town and who is not) and because of a consistent vote, which PB was also townreading me earlier for

This is the sort of 'I'm pushing on you for lurking' without actually asking about the things that I've said that make me feel a bit uneasy about you since this type of push would be easy to do as scum.

And here and on he starts engaging with EP because of EP's scumread on him. Two things to say about this: one, is that I agree 100% with Cinnamon, the push from EP felt unfounded and if I were Cinnamon, I would've been frustrated with that push too; and two, is that if Cinnamon was scum, I think his reaction would've been different. Instead of answering with frustration everything EP said, I think he would've tried to engage with other players or at least try to look more comprehensive about EP's push on him, but that wasn't the case. He got in a 1v1 and he couldn't get out.

And having looked at Cinnamon's games, I think that Cinnamon is more aggressive as town and is actually more likely to engage in direct questioning with someone who is broadcasting a scumread on him

The summary of that towncase is that he was taking the correct stances, not that he was having correct townreads.

And the second part of your post seems like you agree with me??

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I hear the scumminess really amplifies the more questionmarks there are at the end of a question

I'm VERY emotional right now after watching Stranger Things, you don't want to push my buttons Pikachu

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ofrhz, again, you didn't answer my question. Should I be townreading you in this game? I don't believe I should. I'm not asking you to know why I'm scumreaidng you, I'm asking you, knowing how you play in general and how we both have played together, that if my scumread on you is bad or inconsistent with the information that I've got.

(about the "I've been absent sitewide, this isn't hard to check": I don't check those things)

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Let's say I start believing you're town because of your recent posting, and that you're right about Chemist. Who's scum? And take me out the equation, I'm not voting myself.

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And stop fucking implying that I'm townreading Cinnamon for having correct townreads, I already dismissed that.

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I hear the scumminess really amplifies the more questionmarks there are at the end of a question

I'm VERY emotional right now after watching Stranger Things, you don't want to push my buttons Pikachu

but what if the buttons I want to push are the ones that make you smile

Omg

That was actually wholesome as fuck

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I don't think you have to be townreading me, but I do think I've done some things that are townreadable already. I don't think I should be scumread for periodically lurking, but now that I think about it, I think you might've stopped playing mafia before I started lurking in some of my town games

My issue is that your top two pushes for today are me and someone else who I think is just lynchbait

Hmmm yeah I usually use our famous Newbie as a reference of your playstyle so you may be right on that one.

And YES, I know Chemist is lynchbait, but lynchbait players can roll scum too, ya know?

But for fucks sake I do like your point of view 'cause I've been tempted on scumreading RP for a long time, but with Gamma? RP was pushing him hard, it didn't seem like distancing to me.

UNVOTE: ofrhz

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I really need Pine to come over 'cause I'm starting to reevaluate shit like fuck man Gamma and Creature could be scum together shit

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I really need Pine to come over 'cause I'm starting to reevaluate shit like fuck man Gamma and Creature could be scum together shit

This after Menalque's list feels sketchy

Gamma, shut the fuck up please

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Sorry that's in no way coming as joyful as I meant it but instead looks rude

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Is it because of why I think it is?

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VOTE: Chemist

This is flipping scum, 100%

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Duuuuude

The guy says "like I have to have some sort of priority list, and I can't have every game be #1" but he joins another game in the queue?

Come the fuck on, he's not even playing this game.

He's not being lynchbaity 'cause he's avoiding the thread.

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Oh, ok, sorry for mixing up being scum with being an hypocrite. I want Chemist lynched, period.

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No. And the fact you're pushing this hard makes me feel more confident about the association between you and offers.

Gamma if you're town this game we'll have a serious talk after it.

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VOTE: Chemistry

By the way DP, I think I saw the same thing you saw that made you vote Gamma and I haven't forgotten, I've changed my mind about Gamma and I think he's scum.

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Pink Ball what did you see from Gamma?

He said he really don't mind lynching you. That pinged me like fake dumbness

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Yeah prolly, which we doing first? Maybe better for game if we go Gamma first but I'm pretty okay with Chemistry going today too if we're struggling to get the consensus there

I think Chemist is a better lynch than Gamma because of how the scumteam is acting. Like they were pretty ok with Gamma going up to L-1 but Chemist wagon has been hard to get and that includes how Gamma has acted too.

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I checked Pokemon Sapphire a few days ago to see which roles were in it to look at balance and the kind of roles we should expect in here. There's a lot of vanilla, so maybe Chemist is the scum PR. Or at least Gamma isn't.

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And the third scum? I'm between Klick, Creature and RedPanda, in that order. RedPanda is only a gut thing, I have nothing else on him rather than that so he's probably town if Chemist and Gamma are scum. Creature tbh I can't recall why I thought he could be Chemist's partner but it was a PoE thing I think. And Klick because of interactions with Chemist on D1.

So yeah I'm ready to die, I don't think I'm wrong here.

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Like that's a real easy thing to fake
"I saw a thing"
"O_rly? #metoo!"
"So lit bro!"

Oh also this is stupid. I told DP I thought I saw what he saw immediately after he voted for you, but you're reacting this way now because I explicitly said I'm scumreading you.

Either you're panicking and trying to derail attention on me (something you've been trying to do for a while now, without success), or you're just looking for excuses to scumread me. But then again, the latter would mean you're town, and I think you're not.

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Pink Ball what did you see from Gamma?

He said he really don't mind lynching you. That pinged me like fake dumbness

mmhmm

Yes? It was that, right?

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Like that's a real easy thing to fake
"I saw a thing"
"O_rly? #metoo!"
"So lit bro!"

Oh also this is stupid. I told DP I thought I saw what he saw immediately after he voted for you, but you're reacting this way now because I explicitly said I'm scumreading you.

Either you're panicking and trying to derail attention on me (something you've been trying to do for a while now, without success), or you're just looking for excuses to scumread me. But then again, the latter would mean you're town, and I think you're not.

And yet it was only

just now

DP said it might have been the same thing.

It was me who said that, twice. Not DP.

Gamma let me get this straight: DP is conftown, and you know that.

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yep

Ok sweet. Nice to be in the same page with someone in this game.

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No counterclaim when he claimed it really early? Yeah, there's a thing called occam's razor, let me explain... Overused way of reasoning, but it works, so why not?

The only way Tim didn't neighborize DP is with a roleblocker and even that way I think it would go through 'cause neighbors start before the night ends iirc.

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And I'm also calling bullshit on your read on me, Gamma. Fabricated as fuck.

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I'm not arguing. It is fake.

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I'm ok with Gamma today, he's the most annoying of the scumteam that's for sure

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I'm ok with Gamma today, he's the most annoying of the scumteam that's for sure

Btw why don't you put your vote where your mouth is
Bitch

'Cause I still think you're protecting your PR partner.

Rude. I'm bitchin'.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This is Pokemon Ruby, pal, not Emerald.

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Fyi PB I took you calling me annoying a bit personal because I saw someone call out who you are in another game

Oh I didn't took the "bitch" personal 'cause I didn't think you were bothered by something I said, I'm sorry! I meant it as a compliment actually, like I don't want to have scum!you alive 'cause you can make fake associations that are dangerous.

And you mean that I'm pinturicchio? That's public info since a long time ago! Thought you already knew.

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I only just found out recently tho
Also thanks for the compliment I guess.

Your associations in Merchant's Daughter were essential for your team to win, and I think that - even if I don't consider myself good at reading you - that was the first game I was absolutely wrong about you.

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Wow, Klick showing true colors last page

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But he's repping out and I liked him

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Let's lynch Gamma boys. Even if we're wrong, we lynch ofrhz tomorrow. This VC seems to be that we have a scum wagon and a counterwagon, so let's do it

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4 votes on Gamma, 4 votes on ofrhz

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Vote Gamma fools

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Can I get a promise from all the ofrhz voters to vote Gamma tomorrow if ofrhz flips town?

ofrhz will you hate me if I hammer you?

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Now, I know that this posts will look awful if ofrhz flips scum, but whatever

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Yeah the Creature Gamma associations are getting awfully obvious, but it's Gamma first

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I won't lynch ofrhz yet 'cause maybe Pine and Elements join us and Gamma gets lynched

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I don't care, as long as we get a red flip before flipping me

p-edit: let's get those lynches first so instead of an hypothetic question I can answer it as a real question. It could be RP for the whole "he's not scum because of day talk", seemed like a cheap LAMIST thing.

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Now, I know that this posts will look awful if ofrhz flips scum, but whatever

Imo it's worse if he flips town but I know I'm town

We get it dude you want me lynched. You won't get it before dying so don't lose your time

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Gamma is right now in a better position than ofrhz, with RP voting ofrhz. I wouldn't call it bussing, rather distancing.

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Gamma do us a solid and vote yourself pls

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I'm not on the fence, I thing ofrhz is town and Gamma is scum lol that's pretty much not on the fence if you ask me

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Gamma I already told you, stop losing your time trying to make me look bad, I already did that for myself and I'm not getting lynched before you. My play on D1 was "I'm disengaged, I'll try to take the best out of it" and there are no more excuses about that

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You guys are taking me waaaaay too literal. I unvoted ofrhz long time ago and I'm voting Gamma when both are at L-1, I think that's enough info on who I'm scumreading and who I'm townreading. EP, what you're quoting is use of rethorics for getting Gamma lynched now, not tomorrow.

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Gamma I already told you, stop losing your time trying to make me look bad, I already did that for myself and I'm not getting lynched before you. My play on D1 was "I'm disengaged, I'll try to take the best out of it" and there are no more excuses about that

You didnt answer my question though, why did you not want to vote until you got to know names?

I was active lurking, it's pretty obvious. I was legit not doing anything and I didn't know everyone in the game and I wasn't trying to know them either. I wanted to see what Tim was going to do.

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You guys are taking me waaaaay too literal. I unvoted ofrhz long time ago and I'm voting Gamma when both are at L-1,

I think that's enough info on who I'm scumreading and who I'm townreading

. EP, what you're quoting is use of rethorics for getting Gamma lynched now, not tomorrow.

Your ISO didn't make this clear at all... it just looks like you have two scum reads and you want one gone more than the other.

Can you post your reads list please?

I won't lynch ofrhz yet 'cause maybe Pine and Elements join us and Gamma gets lynched

I don't care, as long as we get a red flip before flipping me

p-edit: let's get those lynches first so instead of an hypothetic question I can answer it as a real question. It could be RP for the whole "he's not scum because of day talk", seemed like a cheap LAMIST thing.

I'm pretty sure my three preferences are very clear in this two posts before you stated that it looks like I'm fencesitting.

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Gamma I already told you, stop losing your time trying to make me look bad, I already did that for myself and I'm not getting lynched before you. My play on D1 was "I'm disengaged, I'll try to take the best out of it" and there are no more excuses about that

You didnt answer my question though, why did you not want to vote until you got to know names?

I was active lurking, it's pretty obvious. I was legit not doing anything and I didn't know everyone in the game and I wasn't trying to know them either. I wanted to see what Tim was going to do.

Why wouldn't you try to get to know them? What does Tim doing anything matter? This doesn't seem like how town behaves when disengaged. What games on this account on any other do you recall where you were disengaged?

I'm better reading people who I already know and played before, so focusing on those slots is what I did. Tim is a difficult player to play with if he's scum, and a reliable source of reads if he's town, so I was focusing on him. And I'm good at reading Tim, better than a lot of players in this site.

"This doesn't seem like how town behaves when disengaged" is an empty acussation that, once more, you're using to make me look bad, and this is the third time I tell you: stop doing that, you're not getting me lynched.

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vivi replaced out too early, same with urap2. LUV never played with him before. Creature I interacted quite a lot at some point in the game and I've been trying to sort him.

What's your point, dear

p-edit: I'm answering your questions.

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I really don't get what you're trying to accomplish

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You said "if whe lynch gamma they'll flip town" instead of scum, but it's pretty obvious what your point was...

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I'm trying to find a compromise: if you have issue with my assertion of me saying your actions don't make sense for disengaged town, you can provide meta for me to determine what I should expect from YOU as disengaged town.

I don't have issues with your assertion, I think it's your opinion that I don't agree with and not a fact. If you want to make it personal on me, you can go through my meta, it's public.

When I say "I don't know what you're trying to accomplish" is because I don't understand your play. If you're scum, you're not avoiding a lynch by pushing me and you're making me look townier after you flip. If you're town, your not avoiding a lynch either and you haven't done anything at all to avoid your lynch since well, forever, and you're being a bad town player if that's the case.

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You said "if whe lynch gamma they'll flip town" instead of scum, but it's pretty obvious what your point was...

Well you know what happens when you assume...

??????????????????????????????

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I'm not going to keep this conversation, it's making me mad and losing my time, I want to watch Dark

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Gamma if you're town, which you aren't, you can blame me forever and ever in the dead chat and the scumteam will be happy to blame me too so you'll get your revenge pretty easily so, for the love of god, do something else if you want to avoid your lynch.

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Why do you want to work with me about MY alignment if you're the one at L-1 dude. Focus on yourself.

I would have to make the same thing, look at every game I've played to see where I felt disengaged. I don't take notes about my games where I can see "oh in this game I was town and felt disengaged at first! I'm using that!". This is fucking pointless and you know it. And most importantly, I don't NEED to do what you're asking me 'cause your accusation has no fucking meaning and you're making me lose my time and yours, and I think this is what, the fifth time I tell you this?

p-edit: sure, good luck

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I'm saying that I don't get what you're doing 'cause you were almost lynched early this day and you did nothing to avoid it and now it seems you're yet again doing nothing to avoid it. You're not scumhunting, you're trying to make me look bad

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Gamma, do you want me to pick all your posts about me and prove that you're wrong about what you just said?

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Yeah the Creature Gamma associations are getting awfully obvious, but it's Gamma first

EP I quoted the wrong post, it was this one convined with the RP thing.

Gamma, Creature and RP, those are my scumreads right now, with RP as a conditional depending on the other two flips.

ofrhz, Pine and Elements are town. You're null.

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I'm leaving this thread, I'm fucking tired of this bullshit that Gamma and EP are pulling off on me

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I'm leaving this thread, I'm fucking tired of this bullshit that Gamma and EP are pulling off on me

I JUST TOLD YOU WHAT I WANTED
FUCK YOU

Fuck off Gamma I've been telling you for a while now that this is a fucking lose of time and you keep going for it. If you think I'm scum vote for me and stop this fucking bullshit

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Gamma is fucking confirmed scum now, he's trying to make this look like a tvt, he's trying to make me angry and then act angry himself and try to save his ass by doing this. Pine just lynch him please

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Gamma's increased engagement seems town to me.

Exactly what he was trying to accomplish and I fell for it 'cause I'm a fucking dumbass

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You're doing a great job buddy! You had a LOT of time to this instead of doing it while at L-1 and probably getting lynched today!!

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Gamma answer this, but like for real: why would I work with you if I think you're scum?

You keep saying you're trying to sort me but you're actually doing nothing.

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No doubt at all and I think I've been pretty clear about that in at least 3 or 4 posts

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Fuck that bullshit AtE, this is a game where I'm town and I think you're scum and I've been telling you that over and over

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Once again, you read that in a literal way when, along with the context of the conversation and with the "prove you that you're wrong about what you just said" (you said you weren't trying to make me look bad) it was clear that I was being sarcastic, sorry if it wasn't clear enough but it's not my fault that you're taking everything literal either. Sorry if you felt hurt, I'm not, I'm just trying to get you lynched 'cause you're scum.

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Want to sort me? I don't get this angry when I'm scum, I'm more careful with my feelings 'cause I would feel like shit if I hurt someone just to win as scum. I would also feel like shit now that you say you're hurt but I don't feel like shit 'cause I don't think I did something hurtful rather than a miscommunication problem.

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If you think Creature is town, then let's YOLO this bitch.

VOTE: ofrhz

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Fuck off

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"ofrhz and PB looks like partners", "if ofrhz flips scum, PB is scum too", and now this? Fuck off

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I'm signing off. Sorry ofrhz, I couldn't stand this anymore.

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I tried to be more aggresive but your townread on Creature make me doubt about Gamma 'cause I thought those two were scum together. I'm sorry.